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Jen: Hello, okay, we're live. Welcome, everyone, to MomCave LIVE, where we may have lost our minds, but we haven't lost our sense of humor. I'm Jen, and I have author Cynthia Hammer here with me tonight. We have so much to talk about. Hey, Cynthia.
Cynthia Hammer: Hi, Jen. It's nice to be with you again.
Jen: Thank you. Yeah, I was a guest on Cynthia's podcast just a little while ago, and I'll tell you all about that. But we'd like this to be interactive so we can read the comments. If you have any questions or comments, just pop them in there, and we'll be watching it and talking with everybody. So Cynthia wrote a book. First of all, congratulations on actually writing an entire book because not everyone can do that.
Cynthia Hammer: Well, especially if you have ADHD, it's a little hard to do. Yeah. I only did it because I was forced into isolation because of COVID.
Jen: Oh, we can all blame COVID for good and bad on many things. It made us do some things we wouldn't have otherwise done.
Cynthia Hammer: I think at least for women, I talked to a lot of women who figured out their ADHD because of COVID. So it was good in that way. They were home watching TikTok and Instagram, and they started recognizing themselves....
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Jen: Hello, okay, we're live. Welcome, everyone, to MomCave LIVE, where we may have lost our minds, but we haven't lost our sense of humor. I'm Jen, and I have author Cynthia Hammer here with me tonight. We have so much to talk about. Hey, Cynthia.
Cynthia Hammer: Hi, Jen. It's nice to be with you again.
Jen: Thank you. Yeah, I was a guest on Cynthia's podcast just a little while ago, and I'll tell you all about that. But we'd like this to be interactive so we can read the comments. If you have any questions or comments, just pop them in there, and we'll be watching it and talking with everybody. So Cynthia wrote a book. First of all, congratulations on actually writing an entire book because not everyone can do that.
Cynthia Hammer: Well, especially if you have ADHD, it's a little hard to do. Yeah. I only did it because I was forced into isolation because of COVID.
Jen: Oh, we can all blame COVID for good and bad on many things. It made us do some things we wouldn't have otherwise done.
Cynthia Hammer: I think at least for women, I talked to a lot of women who figured out their ADHD because of COVID. So it was good in that way. They were home watching TikTok and Instagram, and they started recognizing themselves....
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00:00 (phone ringing)
00:00 (children shouting)
00:03 (upbeat music)
00:07 - Hello.
00:13 Okay, we're live.
00:15 Welcome everyone to MomCave Live,
00:17 where we may have lost our minds,
00:19 but we haven't lost our sense of humor.
00:22 And I'm Jen and I have author Cynthia Hammer
00:25 here with me tonight.
00:26 And we have so much to talk about.
00:28 Hey, Cynthia.
00:29 - Hi, Jen.
00:30 Nice to be with you again.
00:32 - Thank you.
00:33 Yeah, I was a guest on Cynthia's podcast
00:36 just a little while ago,
00:37 and I'll tell you all about that.
00:38 But we like for this to be interactive.
00:40 So we can read the comments.
00:42 If you have any questions or comments,
00:45 just pop them in there and we will be watching it
00:48 and we'll be talking with everybody.
00:51 So Cynthia wrote a book.
00:54 First of all, congratulations
00:55 on actually writing an entire book,
00:58 because not everyone can do that.
01:00 - Well, and especially if you have ADHD,
01:02 it's a little hard to do.
01:04 - Yeah.
01:05 - And I only did it because I was forced into isolation
01:08 because of COVID.
01:10 - Oh, I think we can all blame COVID,
01:12 good and bad on many things.
01:13 And yeah, it made us do some things
01:16 we wouldn't have otherwise done.
01:19 - Well, I think at least women I talked to,
01:22 a lot of women figured out their ADHD because of COVID.
01:26 So it was good in that way.
01:27 They were home watching TikTok, watching Instagram,
01:31 and they started recognizing themselves.
01:34 - Right.
01:35 Well, that is definitely what happened to me
01:37 and some of my friends.
01:38 - Oh, really?
01:39 - So I would love to talk about that.
01:41 Before we do, I'll flash up the book
01:44 and the link to the book, it'll be in the comments,
01:47 but this is Cynthia's book.
01:49 And when, oops, see,
01:53 I'm having all my crazy things happen in here
01:56 with my screen.
01:57 We don't need to see you.
01:58 Okay.
01:59 So when, there we go.
02:04 Now we want you to be next to me.
02:06 The technical difficulties.
02:09 There we go.
02:10 Okay, that's much better.
02:11 - Just slow motion, just working slowly.
02:14 - Sometimes when you have ADHD,
02:17 it seems like your brain either is working too quickly
02:21 for the situation or too slowly for the situation,
02:23 but it's never on it.
02:25 - Well, someone wrote the other day,
02:27 which I really responded to about how time differs.
02:30 And they said, if you're getting ready to go someplace,
02:33 time is really short.
02:35 But if you're waiting for someone, time is really long.
02:39 - That's true.
02:40 That's so true.
02:41 - And they were talking back and forth
02:42 between when time seems to drag on forever
02:45 and when it goes by so quickly,
02:48 you can't imagine you're running late.
02:50 - Right.
02:51 And that's like parenthood in general.
02:53 It's like some, the days,
02:55 the silly cliche, the days feel so long.
02:58 (laughs)
02:59 - Yes.
03:00 - But the years are short.
03:00 - Especially when school gets out for the summer,
03:02 those first few days of summer are really long.
03:06 - They are very long and very rough.
03:08 So let's get back to the ADHD talk.
03:11 - Okay.
03:12 - Like you said, it seemed like with the advent of TikTok,
03:16 all of the sudden there were all of these people telling you
03:20 about how adult women were not diagnosed at all
03:25 or incorrectly diagnosed that they had had ADHD.
03:30 And everyone was sort of figuring it out
03:32 by listening to each other's symptoms and experiences
03:36 and going, "Oh, that's me.
03:38 "I see that in me."
03:39 So do you think that the rates of ADHD have gone up
03:44 or just the rates of being diagnosed have gone up?
03:48 - Well, I'm reading that even for autism and for ADHD,
03:53 the symptoms were based on research done mostly on males.
03:58 And so it's more natural
04:00 that the males are getting drawn out.
04:03 Besides that, I can't say the girls
04:07 don't have physical hyperactivity,
04:08 but the men are more free
04:11 to release their physical hyperactivity.
04:13 So they got diagnosed more often.
04:16 And the average age of children getting diagnosed is seven,
04:20 but that excluded all these girls
04:23 that weren't getting diagnosed at all.
04:25 And even now we think only about 20% of the adults
04:29 know that they have ADHD.
04:31 So there's a big backlog.
04:33 - Okay, when you say have ADHD,
04:37 to me it's always like, that kind of sounds like,
04:40 is it a, not a disease, but it's a disorder.
04:45 But what you have, I guess,
04:46 is a collection of symptoms or a way,
04:49 I'm not making any sense right now,
04:52 but do you know, it's not like I have this disease.
04:56 It's more like I have these characteristics
05:00 of that's maybe the way my brain works.
05:03 Is that correct?
05:05 - I would think so.
05:06 It's down to our brain wiring
05:08 and there are certain things that are harder for us to do.
05:10 And maybe there are other things
05:12 that are easier for us to do,
05:14 but we're not, we're in a minority.
05:16 So the world is mostly set up for people
05:19 who don't have brains like us.
05:21 And we're trying to say, hey, hey,
05:24 just with a few adaptations,
05:27 we'll function much better in situations
05:30 where now we're often feeling ashamed or awkward.
05:35 We're not sure how to proceed.
05:38 So our organization is really into children
05:42 getting diagnosed by the second grade.
05:45 Coming through life,
05:46 knowing that you have this different brain,
05:50 it's just, it's a huge, it's a game changer.
05:53 I don't know if you've experienced that yet, Jennifer,
05:57 'cause you said you've only been diagnosed
05:59 a couple of years,
06:00 but it usually takes more than a couple of years
06:03 to really feel comfortable in a persona
06:08 that incorporates your ADHD.
06:11 - Yeah, I mean, to be very honest,
06:13 there are still times where I'm like,
06:14 oh, is this a real thing?
06:17 It seems so trendy,
06:19 especially with like we were talking about
06:20 the whole TikTok thing.
06:21 And everyone in there, every girl online,
06:24 girl or women, every woman online is saying,
06:27 I have ADHD now.
06:28 And I kind of on some days doubt,
06:31 like, is it just the trendy thing?
06:34 And then we get medicated and it's kind of,
06:38 is it like back in the fifties
06:41 when housewives were depressed?
06:42 So they were getting all kinds of drugs.
06:45 I know it isn't that, I know it isn't,
06:47 but on my dark days, I'm like, maybe this isn't a thing.
06:51 And even, so I even doubt it,
06:53 though I most definitely have it.
06:56 - Well, at least a lot of people that I talked to,
07:01 they went through their lives feeling they were different.
07:04 - Yes.
07:05 - And so I think that's the first clue.
07:07 If you really felt different throughout your life
07:09 without an explanation of why do I feel different?
07:13 Dr. Dodson talks about people feeling like
07:16 they didn't get the owner's manual
07:18 or they got the wrong owner's manual.
07:20 They just aren't sure how to function
07:23 in certain situations in our society.
07:26 And then when they do really well,
07:29 they have this variable performance,
07:31 which adds to their saying, who am I?
07:34 Am I this person who can do awesome things,
07:37 but the next day I turn around and do something dumb?
07:41 Without the explanation of why that might happen
07:43 in your life, you do absorb those comments.
07:47 You're lazy, you're stupid,
07:49 you're not living up to your potential.
07:53 And you have to say, yeah, I agree.
07:54 I'm not living up to my potential, but I don't know how to.
07:58 - Right.
07:59 Well, to me, I definitely always felt like different,
08:03 but I just thought, this is just me.
08:04 This is the way I am.
08:05 Something's wrong with me.
08:07 I don't know what it is, but I can't,
08:09 I don't have the energy other people have.
08:11 I get overwhelmed so easily.
08:13 I can't concentrate on one thing.
08:15 And that's just me.
08:17 And it's kind of this,
08:19 that's a more negative way of feeling.
08:23 - Yeah, people end up saying it's my personality flaw.
08:26 There were some people that said, I thought it was normal
08:29 'cause my whole family was this way.
08:32 So that was kind of refreshing to hear.
08:36 - Yeah.
08:37 - That she didn't feel alone.
08:39 - Right.
08:40 Well, that's good if you don't feel alone.
08:42 How common is it for it to run in families?
08:45 Do you know the statistics on that?
08:47 - I think the research is that,
08:52 the likelihood is that 50%,
08:55 one or the other parent has it.
08:57 It's that genetic.
08:59 And what I had heard 30 years ago,
09:01 just from a practicing pediatrician,
09:03 is that second to height.
09:05 And you know how often we say,
09:07 oh, he inherited his height from his dad
09:10 or he inherited his height.
09:11 They say that ADHD is the second most
09:14 inheritable characteristic that they have found.
09:18 - I have never heard that.
09:18 - So it's very, very common.
09:21 And beyond that though,
09:22 if you don't have ADHD in your family,
09:25 you might have autism.
09:26 You might have bipolar.
09:27 There are lots of, I guess, parts of the brain
09:31 where things could just be wired differently.
09:34 And so there's a complex of disorders,
09:38 I guess you'd call it,
09:39 that could run in families.
09:42 - Yeah.
09:42 And how, if you don't mind me asking,
09:44 how old were you when you were diagnosed?
09:47 - Well, it was 30 years ago, almost 31.
09:51 I'm gonna be 80 next Tuesday.
09:55 - Oh, congratulations.
09:56 - And I got diagnosed when I was 49.
10:00 And when I was diagnosed,
10:01 which happens the same way happens now
10:03 with a lot of adults,
10:05 is their child was getting diagnosed
10:08 and they learned about it
10:10 and figured this is me also.
10:12 - Okay.
10:13 - But when I was diagnosed,
10:15 I was ashamed and sad.
10:18 And I thought I was the only adult in America
10:21 that knew they had ADHD.
10:23 - Yeah.
10:24 - So when I found one other person
10:27 and when I found a book,
10:29 there was only one book then,
10:30 there was no,
10:33 it was before driven to distraction.
10:36 - Yeah.
10:37 Certainly before any internet to go
10:39 and find some chat group to talk about it.
10:41 - Yes, right, right, yeah.
10:44 So having one person in my state,
10:47 and then we went to a conference together,
10:49 which was the first conference for adults.
10:52 That was the start.
10:54 - Wow, wow.
10:56 Do you think your life would have been very different
10:58 if you had been diagnosed as a child?
11:01 - So, first off,
11:06 they say people with ADD have terrible memories.
11:08 So it's hard for me to remember,
11:10 except certain episodes that stand out in my childhood.
11:15 So it's hard for me to say.
11:17 I know that I wasn't the best student.
11:19 I was always a B student with an A in gym.
11:23 In college, I was a C student with an A,
11:26 with a B in PE.
11:29 So I don't know if I would have been a better student.
11:31 I always wondered why I wasn't a better student.
11:34 I wanted to be.
11:35 My brother and sister were both
11:38 in the top classes in their school.
11:40 So as far as my generation,
11:45 and maybe my dad's upbringing,
11:47 but he said we could become a nurse or a teacher.
11:52 So even though I think I would have enjoyed being an attorney
11:55 now that I look back on it,
11:57 I don't think my parents would have steered me
12:01 in that direction.
12:03 And it was a joke when I went to college,
12:05 but it was mostly you go to college to get an MRS.
12:10 - Mrs., to meet the husband.
12:12 And did you?
12:14 Did you meet your husband in college?
12:15 - I guess so, in a way.
12:17 It was kind of an off and on relationship, yes.
12:20 - Okay, well, I must confess,
12:22 I met my husband in college and we're still married.
12:24 - Ah-ha, yeah.
12:25 - But it wasn't that kind of college.
12:27 Yeah, so I had a different experience than you as a child.
12:33 And anyone who's watching,
12:34 if you wanna jump in and tell us
12:36 if you see this, what you see in yourself or your kids.
12:39 I was a straight A student.
12:43 I had the highest SAT score that my high school ever had.
12:46 - Amazing.
12:48 - And I loved school.
12:50 But it was because I was,
12:53 and that's why I think I was not diagnosed.
12:56 Nobody thought of it.
12:57 - And maybe that's why you question it too,
12:59 because you're told if you're smart,
13:02 you can't have ADHD, which is a myth.
13:05 - Right, but if you ever talk to my mother,
13:08 she'll tell you all kinds of things.
13:10 Like she used to always say,
13:13 "Jennifer leaves trails everywhere."
13:15 Meaning I just have piles of stuff.
13:18 And I'm very like, if something gets put away,
13:21 I'll forget it exists.
13:22 So I have to have it there to see it
13:24 to tell me to do something.
13:25 And then those pile up,
13:27 because I'm not the best judge of time or prioritizing,
13:32 all of a sudden, it just looks like bombs have gone off.
13:35 And I think I was a good student
13:39 because I overcompensated in all of these ways.
13:42 And my brain was going so quickly.
13:44 And I put a lot of my angst into,
13:48 well, if I just study harder, if I just do this,
13:49 and I memorize these things.
13:52 And I think I would have been maybe more relaxed
13:55 if I knew that I had ADHD.
13:57 - Well, I'm wondering when you are a good student,
14:00 do you get benefits from that?
14:03 Did you tell yourself, "I'm smart, I'm a good student"?
14:07 Did that kind of balance some of the negative things
14:12 going on?
14:13 - In many times, there were times where I was proud
14:16 and I was happy that I was a good student
14:18 and I was being recognized for it.
14:20 But there was always this belief in the back of like,
14:23 "Yeah, I can be really smart.
14:25 Like I can pass tests and I can be really smart."
14:27 But deep down, they don't know that I am a disaster.
14:31 - Oh, you felt like an imposter.
14:34 - Yeah.
14:35 - Well, for me, I was too unaware.
14:38 I tell people I was too unaware to mask.
14:40 But when I tried to go for college interviews,
14:43 and I don't know if they still do them in person,
14:46 the person asked me why my score on my SAT varied
14:50 between 150 points between one year and the next year.
14:55 And she said, "Didn't you feel well that way that day?"
15:00 I had no explanation.
15:01 But when I got diagnosed, I realized that's tied in
15:06 with probably anxiety, variable performance.
15:11 You can't explain why some days you're on
15:14 and some days you're off.
15:16 - No.
15:16 Do you deal with like a lot of energy ups and downs?
15:23 - I know when you talked about that,
15:27 I used to need to take naps a lot.
15:30 And I can't say now that I'm back having allergy problems,
15:35 which also from research is more prevalent
15:40 in people with ADHD.
15:42 There's a lot of health conditions.
15:44 - We're so lucky.
15:45 (laughing)
15:46 - Yeah, we get the whole ball of wax.
15:49 I don't know.
15:50 I mean, we do get apparently more health problems
15:53 because we aren't consistent.
15:55 We don't follow the doctor's directions.
15:57 It's hard for us to follow a diet.
15:59 It's hard for us to go get exercise.
16:02 That regularity is hard for us.
16:04 So now I don't need, I think my energy is good all day long.
16:09 - Well, that's so great.
16:12 - Yeah.
16:13 When we talked, I guess I just touched on
16:17 that that was like the thing that kept my whole life
16:20 has been, I've been a low energy person
16:22 and I get a ton done and I'm really productive,
16:24 but then I just crash.
16:26 And I feel like if I don't take a nap, I'm going to be ill.
16:29 I'm going to die.
16:29 - Right.
16:30 - And so, yeah.
16:31 - I remember that feeling, yeah.
16:32 Just being worn out.
16:33 And it was hard for me to understand when you said that
16:36 how medicine makes the difference.
16:40 - Is it like having coffee or is it less anxiety?
16:45 'Cause I think anxiety can wear you out too.
16:49 - Yeah, I think that what wears me out
16:51 is that my brain is going so quickly
16:53 and can't focus on one thing.
16:55 And I'm trying to do all these things at once
16:58 and they all seem equally important.
16:59 - So being calm.
17:02 - Yeah, the medication kind of calms that down.
17:05 It doesn't change much about who I am or anything.
17:10 I just kind of, the first time I took it, I went, oh.
17:15 Like, it was like a buzz kind of stopped.
17:18 Like a background noise kind of stopped a little bit.
17:21 Yeah.
17:24 - So for a lot of people, when they take medication,
17:27 they don't even see the difference
17:28 'cause they just feel normal.
17:31 Maybe they feel like their best selves,
17:33 but they feel like their best selves.
17:34 - Right, you felt so crappy
17:35 when you're not on the medication.
17:37 You're like, oh.
17:38 - More of the time, yeah.
17:39 - Yeah, that's definitely true for me.
17:42 And coffee definitely helps.
17:44 I know that caffeine is sort of a self-medicating thing.
17:48 - So you drink a lot of coffee or?
17:51 - I try not to drink too much.
17:53 I drink a cup in the morning and my routine.
17:56 I definitely always have a cup in the morning
17:58 and a cup at 5 p.m.
18:00 - Oh, wow.
18:01 You have a routine.
18:03 - Yeah, that's my coffee routine and I love it.
18:06 The one at 5 p.m. is like a yummy vanilla latte coffee.
18:09 So it's like, I look forward to it.
18:12 And then on days that I'm really, really busy and exhausted,
18:15 I sometimes will have a cup in the middle there
18:17 or a cup of tea.
18:19 But I definitely feel a difference.
18:21 I wanted to talk a little bit about something
18:24 that you introduced me to.
18:26 After we did our talk on your podcast,
18:30 you emailed me and you said, there's this thing
18:34 and I think that it might be helpful for you.
18:36 I'm not selling it.
18:37 I'm not paid to tell you this.
18:40 And I had heard of it before,
18:41 but I never thought of really, really giving it a try.
18:45 Can you just briefly say what that is about?
18:48 That is?
18:50 - Well, I guess I met someone connected with the company
18:54 and as a favor to him, I said, I'd try it.
18:57 And so for me, if I tell someone something
19:01 that helps me to get to do it.
19:03 But I can't say that I would have persisted
19:07 as much as I did without having told someone.
19:11 It's a video game that's on your cell phone.
19:15 I don't know what the price is a month,
19:17 but it's been scientifically constructed
19:22 to improve someone's attention.
19:25 It's not supposed to replace medication,
19:28 but it does improve someone's attention.
19:31 And I've played since mid July, every day.
19:35 - Oh, yeah.
19:36 - And I feel like it improved my attention
19:42 and that boring tasks that I needed to do
19:46 for my organization,
19:48 I could persist with almost all day long.
19:51 And I would think prior to doing this,
19:53 I couldn't have persisted like that.
19:56 - Yes.
19:57 I say the ADHD brain gets bored very quickly
20:00 and boredom is just like hell for us.
20:02 - Right, and so it is kind of boring
20:06 because you're manipulating this guy on a little raft
20:11 going down a stream and he's got these fountains
20:13 he's supposed to hit.
20:15 And then every now and then something
20:17 that you've been told ahead of time to remember
20:20 and you're in real trouble if you don't remember,
20:23 you need to remember that target.
20:25 So when it appears, you zap the target.
20:28 And if you're zapping the wrong target
20:31 or if you're not zapping quickly enough,
20:34 you don't get to move to the next level.
20:37 - Yeah.
20:38 - So there's all those little rewards
20:40 that you wanna be successful.
20:43 - Yeah, I find it really interesting.
20:45 I was reading a little bit about it
20:46 and apparently this has been clinically tested
20:50 and used for children before this version.
20:55 We're talking about the adult version
20:56 and it's called Endeavor OTC.
20:59 But the Endeavor for children was approved by the FDA
21:03 as an ADHD treatment, which blows my mind
21:08 that the FDA approves a video game.
21:10 - Yeah, well, I think it blew a lot of people's minds
21:13 and they questioned it, but now that it's out for adults,
21:17 it's just over the counter.
21:18 They're working to try to make it approved by the FDA.
21:22 But I forgot what I was gonna say.
21:26 - That's okay, 'cause things come and go.
21:28 Well, I've been trying it.
21:30 I don't know, it's been a week or two and I don't know.
21:32 - Usually they say you have to stick with it for six weeks.
21:36 - Six weeks.
21:37 - The drawback, and I'm able to tell you this yet,
21:42 is you don't know what you have to do to continue.
21:46 I mean, I got to a certain level,
21:48 which is like 50% of the highest you could get, I get.
21:52 And I'm plateauing.
21:53 They say at some point you plateau.
21:56 - Really?
21:57 - They say it's like exercise for the body.
22:00 So now that I've plateaued,
22:02 what do I have to do to maintain it?
22:04 Do I have to still do it every day?
22:06 I don't want to.
22:08 Can I do it five minutes a day?
22:10 Or what do I do to maintain?
22:12 - That's interesting.
22:13 - I don't want to lose what I've acquired,
22:15 but I don't want to keep giving 25 minutes a day
22:18 to maintain either.
22:20 - Yeah, I wonder if they'll figure that out.
22:22 Yeah, I've been doing it.
22:23 - I'm sure they will, they're working on it now.
22:25 - Yeah. - That's awesome.
22:27 The book is "Living with Inattentive ADHD."
22:32 - Da da da da.
22:33 - I read it, it was great.
22:34 It was a good book and I was enjoying it
22:37 and I was reading it pretty calmly.
22:40 I actually had a few days off
22:41 and I was trying to relax and have a vacation.
22:44 So I'm reading this book and I won't give anything away.
22:47 Well, I got to a part of the book and I was gutted.
22:51 And I'm sure you know what part I'm referring to.
22:54 And so that was very touching for me and it was surprising.
22:59 And yeah, the way that ADHD can affect our lives is massive.
23:07 So anybody who's watching
23:12 and they are looking for resources, go to Cynthia's,
23:16 she's a, are you the founder?
23:18 What's your title?
23:19 You're the founder, you're the president.
23:22 - Well, we say the executive director.
23:25 We have a nonprofit now
23:28 called the Inattentive ADHD Coalition.
23:31 And we have a website with a lot of good articles on it.
23:35 We have videos there,
23:37 but we also have videos on a YouTube channel.
23:39 And Jennifer is, I just posted her video today.
23:44 So if you wanna go see her interview with Katherine Ellison,
23:48 who's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist,
23:51 she also has ADD, but the combined type.
23:55 So as I go along, I'm gathering people that-
23:59 - Alanisimous.
24:01 - Well, yeah, I'm giving a presentation at a bookstore
24:05 for University of Washington.
24:07 And the person there that chose me,
24:11 she has inattentive ADHD.
24:13 So I think Jennifer has it.
24:16 So that's how I'm getting my speaking engagement.
24:19 - You're trying to get Jennifer.
24:21 - People, yeah.
24:22 Yeah.
24:23 - Are you as strange as me?
24:24 Like that, oh, you are?
24:25 Okay.
24:26 Well, that will help each other out.
24:27 It's kind of-
24:28 - Yes, yeah.
24:30 - Yeah, go visit her site.
24:32 IADHD.org.
24:33 - Well, the book is for sale at Amazon.
24:36 - It is.
24:37 - And it should be available at all your bookstores.
24:39 - It is.
24:40 And let me make sure I can put it.
24:41 I'm gonna, it should come up in the,
24:44 should come up in the comments when I do this.
24:48 - Yeah.
24:49 I mean, now that I've heard these bad things about Amazon,
24:52 I hate to tell people to go there to buy my book.
24:55 So ask for it at your library
24:58 or ask your local bookstore to buy it
25:00 because I'm hearing that Amazon doesn't have some,
25:05 well, innocent and proven guilty, I guess.
25:11 But there are cases out there
25:13 that they kind of force people to not give a better price
25:18 for their product anywhere else.
25:21 - Well, I'm kind of addicted to Amazon, so-
25:24 - Me too.
25:24 - Nothing stops me.
25:26 The UPS man comes here every day, pretty much.
25:28 And my daughter is like, "Oh, it's the UPS man.
25:30 What did, what do we get now?"
25:32 - Oh, no, it's not the prime delivery person?
25:35 - No, I'm too rural for that.
25:37 So the shipping takes a little longer to get to me.
25:40 - Oh, you don't get next day or?
25:42 - No, we get two days.
25:44 Two days out here in the boonies.
25:46 - But I put the URL to the book right in the comments there.
25:51 And I thank you for writing it and for finding me
25:54 and keep doing what you're doing.
25:57 You have a great mission.
25:58 Thank you.
25:59 - Yeah, we're done.
26:01 - I think we're about done.
26:02 Okay, thank you so much.
26:04 - Thank you.
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