"Democracy Wo Nahi Hogi Ju Honi Chahiye...", Muhammad Malick
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00:00 I think we have to be very careful about this. I think we have to be very careful about this.
00:07 I think we have to be very careful about this. I think we have to be very careful about this.
00:09 I think we have to be very careful about this.
00:11 When you said that this is not a people friendly legislation, you said that after 9th May, everything has changed.
00:18 This is the reason.
00:20 This is the first question. Sir, is this their brainchild?
00:22 Is this their brainchild?
00:24 Is this their brainchild?
00:26 What kind of pressure is this?
00:28 What kind of pressure is this?
00:30 I think we are moving towards a new governance structure.
00:32 I think we are moving towards a new governance structure.
00:34 Whether you call it quasi-democratic or controlled democracy, whatever you call it.
00:36 Whether you call it quasi-democratic or controlled democracy, whatever you call it.
00:38 But democracy will not be that which is in everyone's hands.
00:40 But democracy will not be that which is in everyone's hands.
00:42 But democracy will not be that which is in everyone's hands.
00:44 Many people think that the country needs stability and continuity.
00:46 Many people think that the country needs stability and continuity.
00:48 So, on that basis, on the matrix, you can justify it as you wish.
00:50 So, on that basis, on the matrix, you can justify it as you wish.
00:52 But you did two things in the beginning. I think you need to clarify them.
00:54 But you did two things in the beginning. I think you need to clarify them.
00:56 You said that the government can keep you under this bill for 90 days.
00:58 You said that the government can keep you under this bill for 90 days.
01:00 If it comes.
01:02 I think it will come.
01:04 Under detention.
01:06 90 days in one go.
01:08 90 days in one go.
01:10 Then they will give a reason and keep increasing it.
01:12 Then they will give a reason and keep increasing it.
01:14 And the process they have made, the appeal of the High Court.
01:16 And the process they have made, the appeal of the High Court.
01:18 That is a whole process.
01:20 That stage will come after 5.5 months.
01:22 That stage will come after 5.5 months.
01:24 In 15 days, they will inform you that you have come to the list.
01:26 In 15 days, they will inform you that you have come to the list.
01:28 Then you will have 30 days to file an appeal.
01:30 Then you will have 30 days to file an appeal.
01:32 Then you will have 60 days to go to the review committee.
01:34 Then you will have 60 days to go to the review committee.
01:36 After sending the government, I was calculating that
01:38 After sending the government, I was calculating that
01:40 5.5 months is not enough to go anywhere.
01:42 5.5 months is not enough to go anywhere.
01:44 Exactly.
01:46 If everything works by the book.
01:48 If everything works by the book.
01:50 If everything works by the book.
01:52 If everything works by the book.
01:54 If everything works by the book.
01:56 The most dangerous thing is that
01:58 The most dangerous thing is that
02:00 Before you are put on the list,
02:02 Before you are put on the list,
02:04 you have to put your name on the list.
02:06 you have to put your name on the list.
02:08 You have to inform you in 15 days.
02:10 You have to inform you in 15 days.
02:12 When all these things are put on you,
02:14 When all these things are put on you,
02:16 your accounts will be frozen.
02:18 Your right to contest election will be frozen.
02:20 Your right to contest election will be frozen.
02:22 All things will be like you have been punished.
02:24 All things will be like you have been punished.
02:26 This is a very draconian bill.
02:28 This is a very draconian bill.
02:30 This is a very draconian bill.
02:32 If it was frozen, I would not have any personal objection.
02:34 If it was frozen, I would not have any personal objection.
02:36 It has been stated that if you incite
02:38 It has been stated that if you incite
02:40 on political and social objectives,
02:42 and there will be threats.
02:44 If you threaten that if our demand is not met,
02:46 If you threaten that if our demand is not met,
02:48 we will bring a procession and march a million men,
02:50 we will bring a procession and march a million men,
02:52 will it come in this procession?
02:54 Will it come in this procession?
02:56 Will it come in this procession?
02:58 The most dangerous thing in this is that
03:00 the Supreme Court of India
03:02 gives you the right to free and fair trial.
03:04 gives you the right to free and fair trial.
03:06 The term used in this is very interesting.
03:08 The term used in this is very interesting.
03:10 It is a Latin term which actually means
03:12 that by comparing two cases,
03:14 it will be judged without touching the main structure.
03:16 it will be judged without touching the main structure.
03:18 So, it is also an attempt to sideline.
03:20 So, it is also an attempt to sideline.
03:22 And an interesting thing that
03:24 Kamran Murza did in my program,
03:26 which was not for me,
03:28 but it was done by the chairman,
03:30 you cannot drop it.
03:32 Either it will be rejected,
03:34 or it will be accepted,
03:36 or it will be voted,
03:38 and you send it to the committee.
03:40 So, as you saw in the reform bill,
03:42 that the problem is that this is absolute rubbish.
03:44 that the problem is that this is absolute rubbish.
03:46 They want to go to the police state,
03:48 they want to fall into this pit,
03:50 or they are being pushed,
03:52 it is being prompted from somewhere else.
03:54 What is your information?
03:56 Who is owning this?
03:58 It was not owned by Maryam Aurangzeb.
04:00 It was not owned by Irkut Shari,
04:02 although it was owned by the people's party's minister.
04:04 Leave it,
04:06 it was not owned by the PMLN's leader.
04:08 it was not owned by the PMLN's leader.
04:10 No one is owning it,
04:12 we all know why it is happening.
04:14 we all know why it is happening.
04:16 But look at three or four things.
04:18 Your army act amended,
04:20 in that the army has been given permission
04:22 as an institution,
04:24 to indulge in economic activity.
04:26 Earlier it was in pieces,
04:28 the trust had it,
04:30 the AWT had it, the Fauji Foundation had it,
04:32 individual trust was in categories,
04:34 the institution did not have it.
04:36 Now it is there, your council has been formed,
04:38 all your projects,
04:40 the underwriting is of the army,
04:42 that is why your investors are talking,
04:44 Saudi Arabia, UN, everything.
04:46 Now when this bill comes,
04:48 you feel that
04:50 we are seeing new contours,
04:52 we are seeing a new structure,
04:54 in which
04:56 a lot of
04:58 legitimacy of the institution
05:00 will come by law,
05:02 it is being said.
05:04 Today a very interesting letter was issued by Umar Hamid,
05:06 Secretary-Elect.
05:08 We have covered it in the first segment,
05:10 but quickly to ask you.
05:12 This debate was going on,
05:14 which the People's Party and PMLN were discussing repeatedly,
05:16 there should be a politician,
05:18 not a technocrat, not an economist.
05:20 Today he said that
05:22 all your political affiliations,
05:24 you should also denotify them.
05:26 Absolutely, absolutely.
05:28 Now it is time to wake up.
05:30 Now only Shabaz Sharif
05:32 has released Dar sir,
05:34 or should he be released after this letter of the Election Commission?
05:36 And is this tug of war still going on,
05:38 that these political parties
05:40 will be able to bring their candidate,
05:42 or is there a wish for establishment?
05:44 Look, listen to me,
05:46 their biggest problem,
05:48 their biggest problem is Imran Khan.
05:50 Imran Khan's burden has been removed
05:52 from them after 9th May.
05:54 The institution has taken all the burden.
05:56 If I am the institution today,
05:58 I will say,
06:00 if you have so much attitude
06:02 and you have to make your own will,
06:04 then we will completely move away.
06:06 Go and fight the election,
06:08 then you will know.
06:10 They cannot afford
06:12 to cross their lines
06:14 from one side.
06:16 So, someone else has taken
06:18 a huge burden from them.
06:20 So, these decisions,
06:22 these suggestions can be given.
06:24 The decision that was named by Dar sir,
06:26 was a flexing of muscles
06:28 by PM LN,
06:30 that my way or the highway,
06:32 this was not a matter of air,
06:34 this concrete was thrown into the water,
06:36 let's see how many waves are formed.
06:38 And we have seen
06:40 that he had a very adverse reaction,
06:42 in the allies and in the rest.
06:44 That everyone had such a strong reaction
06:46 on Dar sir.
06:48 And then today's letter.
06:50 Sir, the last question for K.Taker,
06:52 PM, who is the dark horse right now?
06:54 The dark horse is,
06:56 I can tell you the compromise candidate,
06:58 he is a retired judge of the Supreme Court.
07:00 If a lot of things get stuck,
07:02 then he will be a compromise candidate.
07:04 There is only one problem on him.
07:06 The one that Mr. Zardari wants.
07:08 The problem on him is that
07:10 he is considered close to Mr. Zardari,
07:12 he is fine with him.
07:14 And if push comes to shove,
07:16 then I think Mr. Zardari
07:18 will get more sympathetic air
07:20 in the institution than Nawaz Sharif.
07:22 Thank you very much.
07:24 Mr. Mohammad Malik was with us.