The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 2
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00:00The number one thing that held me back was because I wanted to work out my marriage.
00:05And so I feel like now I am ready to own up to things.
00:10Miranda, she was a swinger.
00:11She was very much involved in the whole situation, but Miranda and Chase, her husband during
00:16the time denied everything and tried to make Taylor to look like a villain.
00:20And so that's why I feel like we all have a hard time with Miranda.
00:24I definitely think Miranda sees how well MomTalk is doing and now she's just coming on back
00:28even though she hasn't talked to any of us for like two and a half years.
00:32It doesn't feel like the intention's pure.
00:33I don't ever think the intention ever will feel pure.
00:36I don't think I have any intention of us all hanging out in group settings every single
00:39weekend.
00:40I believe you.
00:41I trust your intentions.
00:43I appreciate that.
00:44I know it's not, it's hard conversations to have.
00:47I don't think one single part of me wants to hear what Whitney has to say.
00:50I don't really give a shit.
00:51She's not even part of the group.
00:52MomTalk is my chosen family and I've become more protective over it.
00:56So ideally I would love for Whitney and Miranda to link up and leave all of us alone.
01:02Girl can dream.
01:03I think it's just when it's all put out there and it's like he said, she said, it's like,
01:06okay, well who's lying to us?
01:07Like we just don't, no one wants to be lied to I think is the problem.
01:10I wasn't ready to own anything.
01:12Like the reason I never even brought up the whole like kissing thing and initially like
01:15wanted to deny that is because it's still freaking weird.
01:18That wasn't something I wanted to continue doing, right?
01:20This is like awkward to talk about, like with the church and like family and everything
01:24like it still was shameful and uncomfortable to bring up.
01:30I have like animosity I think with us because I felt like very left by you.
01:35We were like sisters.
01:36I feel like you thought maybe I was leading Chase on when I've never liked Chase a day
01:41in my life and he knows that and that's why he hates me and is obsessed.
01:44But I told him about a dream.
01:46I feel like Miranda thinks I led Chase on while they were still married because I told
01:51him that I had like a sex dream about him.
01:54And honestly, I didn't think anything of it because of what we were doing.
01:57That seems so mild to me.
01:58Like a sex dream?
01:59What to do?
02:00I really didn't think a dream was a big deal considering we're making out with each other
02:04and touching each other on the weekends.
02:08It felt like it just like opened up a space for him to feel comfortable to say things
02:11to you.
02:12Shortly after I told Chase about the sex dream, Chase came to me at the gym and told me that
02:18he had feelings for me and basically that was him like trying to open a door and I was
02:22like I like am flattered and I appreciate it but I do not feel the same.
02:26It just felt very hurtful that like you were telling everyone in our friend group but you
02:29never told me.
02:30Yeah, that is my bad.
02:31I was being a bad friend of like not immediately going to you and be like this is what your
02:35husband said but I knew I would lose you that day.
02:40It was hard just because it was also I mean I was like four months postpartum.
02:43I know.
02:44I was also like I lost my best friend dude.
02:54Yeah.
02:55I don't think you think about the fact that I cared but I cared like I hurt a lot.
03:01I just never wanted to know because I was so mad.
03:04Yeah and I completely understand the husband thing because I feel like as a best friend
03:09you owe that to your best friend to tell him no matter what and that's where I went bad
03:13and I know that.
03:14I appreciate that.
03:16We were so inexperienced.
03:18There was no balance.
03:19There was no discussion so lines were blurred.
03:22The girls have this resentment towards her and they all stuck by my back so it's like
03:27almost as I should have that resentment as well.
03:30However, they don't know the extent of the situation.
03:33I think they forget I was also a villain in that story.
03:36There will be a conversation between Miranda and I without everyone.
03:39I would love that.
03:40It's just me and her.
03:42I've always wanted to get past this but I was in like a very different place.
03:47There was so much that I literally did not have it in me to face.
03:53I'm proud of you both.
03:55Just to be able to sit in the same room and have this conversation no matter how it goes
03:59and how you move forward.
04:01I guess I never really considered the fact that Taylor and Miranda were really good friends
04:05before all the fallout happened and I could understand why Miranda would miss that and
04:10feel like she's longing for a place and them kind of longing to be friends again.
04:15It's been a hell of a couple years, huh?
04:18Yes, it's been awful.
04:20I was telling them I've become a lot more softer than I was.
04:23Really?
04:24I feel like I can see that.
04:25Yeah, it's made me soft and I think just more empathetic because I feel like when people
04:29are like struggling, Whitney for example, has like been destroyed, you know, on the
04:32internet.
04:33Yeah.
04:34And I felt nothing but like empathy for her because yes, you might have made a lot of
04:37your own decisions and pissed a lot of people off.
04:39Yeah.
04:40But I've been in your place and when you're kicked while you're down, it freaking sucks
04:44and it can make you like go insane.
04:47I'm trying to make amends with all of these women.
04:51What we learn in the church is to open our heart, forgive.
04:54Everyone's being cordial, but I can feel I'm not necessarily wanted here right now.
04:58So it's really nice to have Taylor sticking up for me.
05:01I feel like these little steps are being taken.
05:05I'm really hoping the momentum and the growth that we're making doesn't stop.
05:09I know it sounds like Whitney freaking hates you Taylor, like whatever, but like, I just
05:13want people to know that I've been there at the fucking bottom, kicked, and it sucks.
05:18Well, I don't hate you, but I appreciate that.
05:22I just want everyone in the room to know that too.
05:25Taylor's preaching tonight.
05:26I love it.
05:27Amen.
05:28Hallelujah.
05:29Get her a name tag.
05:30I'm just kidding.
05:33I'm kind of confused because I feel like we still didn't get to the bottom of this swinging
05:37scandal tonight.
05:39Miranda skirted around the issue a lot.
05:40I'm throwing a Halloween party next week.
05:43So I think I need to expand my guest list.
05:45Miranda's ex-husband Chase is dating my friend.
05:47So not only am I going to invite him, I invited Miranda too.
05:51I think that trust is everything in friendships.
05:53And if we don't have trust in mom talk, we don't have anything.
05:56And I think we'll be able to tell who's lying and who's not if we get them in the same room.
06:01I'm glad we had a little icebreaker sesh before your party.
06:05Yeah, when is that by the way?
06:06It's exciting.
06:07When is that again?
06:08Next week.
06:09Oh, okay.
06:10Yeah, it's going to be fun.
06:38Suspect is a multimillionaire, but still orders a kid's meal at every restaurant.
07:08This is so me.
07:09It's so you.
07:10It's like Barbie girl.
07:11Like, oh wait, these ones are cute too.
07:12Like the denim.
07:13No, I love the denim.
07:14Hello.
07:15McKay.
07:16Hello.
07:17Look how cute you look.
07:20I'm super excited for the Halloween party and I really need to find a costume.
07:24That's actually so cute.
07:25I really want that.
07:26And now I'm divorced.
07:27I just got my body redone.
07:29I want to show it off.
07:30I'm also dating somebody new right now.
07:33Cameron is a soccer coach.
07:34He was raised Mormon and his dad is a Bishop.
07:38Me and him have been together for about four months now.
07:41He seriously is the best.
07:42He sees me.
07:43He loves me in ways that I didn't think that anyone could love me.
07:47And I feel confident in myself for the first time in a really long time.
07:50Hello.
07:51Hi.
07:52You guys are all the same vibe.
07:55I like went total opposite.
07:57I kind of want to try these.
07:58We need some for stagecoach.
07:59Yeah.
08:00Wait, Jen going to stagecoach, right?
08:02I don't know.
08:03How is she doing?
08:04My sister was saying Jen told her that Zach was planning on moving back in their house
08:08and working things out because he's a changed man.
08:11A changed man.
08:12I think it just breaks my heart because it's like, I just don't know how much better it
08:15can get from that.
08:16And maybe like he really has changed, but I just feel like he's shown his true character
08:20and like, I don't, I don't know.
08:22How would you feel if he went to a Magic Mike concert?
08:25Being divorced and taking care of two kids would be kind of tough.
08:28So I guess you make the decision.
08:30She had me read their entire thread.
08:32I'm done with you.
08:34I'm done with our marriage.
08:35I'm done.
08:36You're disgusting.
08:37He said, I don't love you anymore.
08:38I don't love you.
08:40When it's that bad where like you're telling your spouse, you don't love them and you're
08:44a bad mom, whatever.
08:45Like there's not many success stories of it's better than ever after that low of a look.
08:50I think women tend to put up with a lot more in their marriages in the Mormon church because
08:54it is frowned upon to get divorced.
08:56Maybe there's a little bit of that playing in with Jen and Zach's relationship.
09:00Jen said it was a trial period.
09:02So it's not, they're just going to test out the waters, I guess, and see if he's actually
09:06changed.
09:07And then if not, I'm like, you're going to kick him out again.
09:10I'll be the last one standing.
09:25Last one standing.
09:28I'll see you on the other side.
09:30I'm staying here tonight.
09:32Got one.
09:33Got one.
09:34There you go.
09:35Whoa, damn.
09:36Oh, nice dude.
09:37You see that one?
09:38Yeah, I did.
09:39I can see why you guys do this.
09:41It's relaxing, isn't it?
09:43Yeah, dude.
09:44That's why I do it.
09:45I'm from Idaho, so I like love fly fishing.
09:48It's like therapy for me.
09:50Oh, shit.
09:51Shit.
09:52With everything that's going on with Taylor, I just wanted to hang out with my friends
09:57and just like clear my head.
09:58And we're just trying to chill.
10:00So Dakota, what's going on with you and Taylor now?
10:02Yeah, things have been like super rough.
10:05But I get why everything I did hurt her 10 times more.
10:09I just screwed up.
10:10I freaking lied.
10:11I don't know, dude.
10:12I just feel for my son.
10:14I've never been a dad.
10:15It's like the most important thing ever to me in my life right now.
10:18And I feel like I'm losing that.
10:21Oh, freak.
10:23Co-parenting and living alone.
10:26Fuck.
10:27Just trying to navigate all this.
10:30That's been challenging for me.
10:32I messed up.
10:33And I wish I could go back and change that because I love Taylor more than anyone.
10:37That's where I have to come in and start showing her I want to make things right.
10:42I want to fix this.
10:44And I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
10:47But I do feel like Taylor's parents have been there for me, even with our situation right now.
10:52Like Leanne just invited me to a barbecue at her place this weekend.
10:56If you could come for dinner, that would be great.
11:00I appreciate you inviting me.
11:01Jared and I both wanted to sit down with you.
11:03Are you going to be here?
11:05Yeah, Jeremy, I'll be there.
11:07You better, pussy.
11:12Hey, Zach, you just barely moved back?
11:14Yeah, like five days ago.
11:16Have you liked being back so far?
11:18Yeah, it's been good.
11:20We've been doing ketamine therapy together.
11:22You're kidding me.
11:23Yeah, more than anything, I'm just back to support Jen.
11:26So like the whole Chippendale thing, how would you have operated differently?
11:30What I did was wrong.
11:31And like I have to live with the repercussions of that the rest of my life.
11:35It's just been a good time for me to like look inside and kind of see what changes I need to make.
11:41Ah, shit.
11:42Sorry, Zach, give me just a second.
11:44This is some bullshit I'm dealing with.
11:46Are you guys still going to church and everything?
11:48Uh, I'm not currently going now.
11:51Jen still wants to go, and I think eventually we will.
11:54Interesting.
11:55Okay, so that's more from your side.
11:57Yeah, it's 100% me.
11:58Wait, whoa, that is crazy, dude.
12:00I feel not accepted.
12:01I also feel honestly embarrassed.
12:03We've had like a couple nasty interactions with people.
12:06At church?
12:07Yeah.
12:08Dude, that's like exactly what I had to go through.
12:10I get death threats from women all the time.
12:12Yeah, I probably had 50 to 100 DMs saying like you deserve to die.
12:16Like if I saw you in person, I'd kill you.
12:18Jeez.
12:19You know, if you have like a good relationship with God and you're trying to figure it out with Him, I don't think anything else matters.
12:24100%.
12:25Yeah.
12:26I really like all the husbands.
12:27We have a weird bond.
12:28We kind of all are in a similar situation.
12:31Sometimes it's nice to be with them and just like vent to each other about like the wives.
12:35Jen asked me to give Jesse and Demi an apology.
12:38Probably won't be the funnest conversation, but for us to heal in our marriage, I think it needs to happen.
12:44I'm just hoping to move past this whole situation.
12:46So how come all the Utah boys are catching fish and the Idaho boy...
12:50I already caught, dude, I had a couple on.
12:52Oh, I didn't see it.
12:53Yeah, I caught one and then...
12:54Oh, shit.
12:57The guy's pouring his guts out.
12:59Hasn't caught one fish.
13:00You know I can't multitask, dude.
13:19Okay.
13:20Let's do this.
13:21I've never been up against someone's husband, so...
13:23I know.
13:24This is a new feeling.
13:25This is so interesting.
13:26Give me Whitney all day every day, but this is different.
13:28Apparently, Jen has asked Zach to meet with me and Demi.
13:31I definitely feel like they're better off apart, but I guess if this is going to help Jen, I'm all for it.
13:36So I'm curious to see how this goes.
13:39Jen told me that it was like after a ketamine session that he's like, I want to meet with them.
13:44So maybe he had like visions about this.
13:46I don't know.
13:47Visions of glory?
13:48Yeah.
13:49He's like, I need to meet with my Lord and Savior.
13:52I don't know.
13:53I just feel...
13:54Jessie!
13:55His Lord and Savior.
13:57Us.
13:58We are.
14:04I'm nervous going into this conversation with Demi and Jessie.
14:07They can both be very aggressive.
14:09I don't know if they're going to accept my apology, but I want to show Jen how much I support her.
14:14And I feel like whoever Jen decides to be friends with, I want her to feel that support.
14:17But yeah, they spread a lot of rumors and lies about me.
14:19For that reason, I'm a little bit scared about how this conversation is going to go.
14:25Are we ready to do this?
14:26All right.
14:27Girl power.
14:28Power to the pussy.
14:32Hello.
14:33Hi, guys.
14:34How are you?
14:35Good.
14:36Good to see you.
14:37Thanks for coming, guys.
14:38Thanks for having us.
14:39We were so surprised you chose the coffee shop.
14:40This feels like a business meeting.
14:41I know.
14:42It does.
14:43I know.
14:44It kind of feels like an interview.
14:45It does.
14:46Two against one.
14:47You're like, what are your good qualities?
14:48What do you struggle with?
14:49We know what you struggle with, but just kidding.
14:51Thanks, Jessie.
14:52I appreciate that.
14:54But thank you guys for coming.
14:55I mean, I feel like there's been some weird contention and things ever since Vegas.
14:59I said some super hurtful things to Jen.
15:02Gambling and then complaining about Chippendales is like, I look like the biggest hypocrite
15:06in the world.
15:07Yeah.
15:08I could have easily just been like, hey, I'm bummed out, but I get you were having fun,
15:10you were being a supportive friend.
15:11And I didn't, and I regret that.
15:14Yes.
15:15I'm grateful for what you guys said.
15:16Honestly, it has been transformative for our marriage.
15:21Because then it's helped us have some of the hardest conversations we've ever had.
15:25What is going on right now?
15:27He is doing a full 180 and I was not expecting this at all.
15:31I just wanted to address with you, Demi.
15:33Watching it back, I was like, damn, she was talking major shit on me.
15:38Major truth, not shit.
15:40Just calling out the behavior.
15:41That's all.
15:42Some things.
15:43Like, for example, you said I gambled my medical school tuition.
15:45Just so you know, that's a blatant lie.
15:47Well, that came from Jen, though.
15:48We were told this.
15:49Jen told us that.
15:51I don't want to throw Jen into this because I just want to take accountability.
15:55Well, is that true or false?
15:57That is 100% a blatant lie.
16:01I would have never just made that up or like brought that up if I didn't think that that was the truth.
16:06And that also goes into what we thought about you because we have been told certain things,
16:09so that kind of just played into the mindset we had when it comes to you.
16:13I think what scares me is when she's like, he has to learn, he can't be a narcissist.
16:16And we're like, what?
16:18She just uses language that's a little scary.
16:20I have never seen anyone take accountability like he has,
16:26especially having those narcissistic traits that he carries.
16:30Because a lot of times it's not just environmental, it's like passed down genetically.
16:36To me, I guess I thought those were conversations you were having.
16:39Yeah, I thought that was pretty harsh coming from your partner.
16:43I don't feel like that's who I am and that's like not who I want to be.
16:48There's always been an element of Jen where I don't fully trust what she's saying.
16:51I feel like not a lot of it is sincere or genuine.
16:54And I blamed it on the relationship.
16:56She's not sure what to say or how to say it because how Zach will react.
16:59But now that I'm hearing these things, I'm like, is she just not trustworthy as a person?
17:03Does she not like confrontation and she doesn't like to make people upset?
17:06So she tells everyone what they want to hear.
17:08I'm really, really confused.
17:10She's expressed to me that you guys were so there that night,
17:15but then no one in the group has been there since.
17:17That's what pisses me off because I have texted her.
17:20I have text, I can show you, I love you, do you need anything?
17:22She doesn't respond.
17:23She doesn't respond to us.
17:24I've tried, so for her to say that, it sucks.
17:26I only have Jen's perspective.
17:28I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
17:30And obviously, I'm going to take my wife's side because that's what I'm supposed to do.
17:33It sounds like a pattern.
17:34We've only had Jen's perspective too on you.
17:37And it seems like it's not matching up, which is concerning.
17:40Things are adding up when it comes to Jen.
17:42It sounds like she is spinning things in her favor.
17:45Like she's playing both sides, and I don't like that.
17:47If it turns out that the things that Zach is saying is true,
17:51then she absolutely needs to be held accountable for that.
17:54It sounds like I have some tough conversations I need to have with my own wife.
17:58Yeah.
18:12♪ You'll never see me faking this pretty little smile. ♪
18:18♪
18:32Hello.
18:34Oh, you look so cute.
18:37Oh, hey, buddy.
18:38Look at his little eyes.
18:39Wait, I want him.
18:41Now we just need Dakota to show up.
18:46Did you know he was coming?
18:47Did I tell you?
18:48I don't know.
18:50I don't care.
18:51Yes, you do care.
18:52Yeah, you do.
18:53Because you would have already been gone if you didn't care.
18:55Ever since Jenna and finding out everything I have, I feel like I am really struggling.
19:01Dakota and I, we have lack of communication, and it's affecting our co-parenting.
19:06But it's hard because my parents really want us to give our all before we say we quit.
19:12So what are you going to be for Halloween?
19:14Oh, I am Gretchen.
19:17Oh, from Mean Girls?
19:19Yeah.
19:20Are you a slutty Gretchen?
19:22Or are you going to be just...
19:24I'm a cat, so I'm pretty covered.
19:26So pretty boring.
19:30So who's all going to the party?
19:32I wish I could go.
19:33So you can be friend Chase and talk to him?
19:35Yeah.
19:36I don't know why you like Chase.
19:37They're nice to me.
19:38Why should I be mean to anybody that's not nice?
19:40I like everybody.
19:41Because they treated your daughter like shit.
19:42I don't understand.
19:44My mom's a real estate agent, and she was Chase and Miranda's realtor when they were still married.
19:48And for some reason, she will always stay in touch with them.
19:51It's just I'm not surprised either because she's always his way.
19:54Do you care that I talk to Chase or Miranda?
19:56I don't have the capacity to be worrying about that type of shit when I have my own shit, you know?
20:06My goal is always to be with Taylor, to have our family together.
20:16And I think the only way to have a lasting relationship is you have to get really good at forgiving each other and not go backwards.
20:23I want to like truly try to go forward.
20:27Hello?
20:28Who is it?
20:29You know who it is.
20:30Oh, for hell's sakes.
20:31Your favorite friend.
20:33Oh, well, there's the big guy.
20:35Hi.
20:39Hi, Brynn.
20:40Hi.
20:41Hi, Taylor.
20:42Hi.
20:43Oh, Everett, don't touch the corn.
20:44Yeah, I guess Everett's going to touch the corn.
20:46Oh, we're doing it down there.
20:48Yeah.
20:49Oh, I thought it was out here.
20:50OK.
20:51I'm going to go take these in.
20:52Let me go take something out here.
20:53You want to grab that corn so bad, don't you?
20:55Yeah.
20:56You want to grab the cookies, one of you?
20:58Yeah.
21:00Does anybody want any corn?
21:02I'm good right now.
21:03Thank you, though.
21:10You're just so quiet.
21:11Like, you're just so closed off.
21:13I'm at loss for words.
21:14You guys were together and then not together.
21:17And then what's today?
21:18What's today looking like, I guess?
21:20I don't know.
21:21Not.
21:22It's just so exhausting going back and forth, back and forth, on, off.
21:26It's not good.
21:27We're all tired of it.
21:28Like, really.
21:29It's obvious.
21:30You guys started your relationship on a foundation of shit.
21:33Yeah.
21:34I agree.
21:35Let's be honest.
21:36You didn't heal from your divorce.
21:38You had a ton of baggage.
21:39It's hard because you guys have a damn kid now.
21:42Yeah.
21:43I always cry at these things, too.
21:45I sure am.
21:47Shows you're a good human.
21:51Look, a relationship isn't 50-50.
21:55It's 100% on both ends.
21:57It feels like there's a little bit lacking on one end.
22:02It's going to take me a while to get there.
22:04I hear he slept with another girl.
22:05He admitted it.
22:06I was so sad that I needed space.
22:08He went and hooked up with Jenna that very night, I found out,
22:11and was bawling my eyes out.
22:12During the time when I slept with the girl,
22:14I hung with Taylor three times or two times.
22:16Two nights after that, he goes,
22:18and Taylor, you're pretty much the only girl I'm seeing.
22:21I've trashed him.
22:22You come over the next night, fuck me,
22:24and then you go and you hang out with another girl,
22:27and then he comes the next night and fucks me again.
22:29Well, okay, okay, okay.
22:31I wasn't lying to you about someone else.
22:33Here's the thing.
22:34I'm going to be blunt, freaking honest.
22:36Shit.
22:37He just told me that you guys had seen each other three times.
22:40I don't know Taylor.
22:41Before all this.
22:42And then you're sitting there telling me
22:44that he came over and had sex with you?
22:46What does that say about you?
22:49I'm not, I'm not pointing fingers.
22:52You guys.
22:53That's what I'm saying.
22:54I was trashed.
22:57I know.
22:58No, no, no.
22:59I'm saying that.
23:01I guess what I'm hearing is you deserve what you got
23:04because you, like, gave it up so easily.
23:06That's what I hear.
23:07And when you hear your parents say that,
23:09like, why were you expecting to be respected?
23:12It, like, hurts.
23:14Um.
23:17It just confirms my insecurities and my beliefs about myself.
23:20No, I'm saying.
23:21You're not trashed.
23:22You're making things up.
23:23You're not leaving.
23:24Yes, you did.
23:25No self-respect.
23:26I hate me.
23:27What I'm saying.
23:28Let me finish.
23:29Let me finish.
23:32You guys both had so much baggage.
23:36Because I know.
23:38I know I didn't have self-respect.
23:40It doesn't change that when you lie,
23:43I know.
23:44But you're supposed to give the other person the benefit of the doubt.
23:50And no one is saying, oh, get over it right now.
23:52Well, stop saying it.
23:53No, you can't say it.
23:54Sacrifice it just for a little bit.
23:56He was asking her to hang out in the day, and I was only nights.
23:59This is true.
24:00This is driving me nuts when she's saying this shit.
24:02And I had to ask him.
24:03That's the biggest lie I've ever seen in my life,
24:05and I'm not going to let you keep saying that lie to me.
24:07You did.
24:08Stop saying that lie to me because that is not true.
24:10And when you're asking me to come over at night all the time,
24:14what is that telling me as a guy?
24:17Why did I have to ask that?
24:19Because I've already told you.
24:21Taylor, you're forgetting that I'm coming from a very broken place, too.
24:24That matters.
24:25You can't just disregard the shit that I just went through
24:28and where I was at in my life here.
24:30Okay, but you knowing that,
24:31then don't come into my life and pretend to be a good charming.
24:33So why did you want to come into my life?
24:35Oh, my God.
24:36Taylor, give an inch so he could walk a mile.
24:38Just give fucking two inches of sacrifice and see what he can do.
24:45Why are you guys all coming at me?
24:47I feel very unheard, judged.
24:51Like, let's move on.
24:53Let's get over it.
24:54And I'm like, in what world am I supposed to just let this go?
24:59You guys, it takes a season to grow anything.
25:03I just think that you need to forgive yourself.
25:05That's where it all comes down to,
25:07because you guys weren't really together to me.
25:10And, yes, you shouldn't have slept with him,
25:12and that's why we always tell you, like,
25:14that's not the fucking point.
25:17He lied. Yes, that is so wrong.
25:19That's crazy at all.
25:20But you weren't together.
25:21So what are you saying right now?
25:22What does that mean to you?
25:23I'm just saying, like, you need to go through therapy
25:26and give him some grace.
25:29If you love him, then it's worth trying.
25:32Family is something that I strongly believe in.
25:34That's exactly my whole point.
25:36I have still chose to stick through this
25:40and try to figure this out.
25:41You know it, too, and that's why it drives me nuts,
25:43is because you do know how much I care and love you, Taylor.
25:46Dude, I have a child with you.
25:48All I've wanted is a family.
25:50Why do I want to come here and blast this to the world?
25:53Okay, okay.
25:54Who wants to do that?
25:55Stop. You guys are not going anywhere.
25:57Honestly, I think you guys need to be separated
25:59and stay separated.
26:01You need to work. Focus on you.
26:03You need to keep going to therapy,
26:05and you need to give yourself grace.
26:07You carry so much guilt with your kids and what happened.
26:11Now you have Ever,
26:12and he can feel tension in the house
26:14when you guys are together.
26:15You can tell, and it's just,
26:17you need to do what's best for him,
26:18and I'm sorry, it's staying separated right now.
26:24If God really did send him to you,
26:26he will bring him back to you.
26:28It's you and Satan in your own head,
26:30and it's eating you alive.
26:32I'm in God's hands because I honestly think
26:34it'll blossom after.
26:35I think I was punished for what I did.
26:38Oh my gosh, Taylor.
26:39No, I think it was,
26:41I'm going to let you feel what you did to somebody.
26:43No, God is not like that.
26:45I didn't cheat on you.
26:46I'm sorry, but God is not like that.
26:48It is betrayal,
26:49but I don't think that we're getting anywhere right now.
26:52I have to work in the morning, so.
26:54So get out.
26:55So, no, not get out,
26:57but let's, if we can say a prayer,
26:59since we didn't pray before we ate.
27:03Dear Congressional Assembly Father,
27:04we're so grateful for this night.
27:06We're so grateful to have Dakota and Taylor
27:09be able to try to figure things out.
27:15And please bless that they can love one another,
27:18and we're grateful for our family.
27:21Sometimes we don't all get along,
27:23but we're grateful,
27:25and I say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
27:30As angry and mad as I am,
27:32shutting the door is just not going to happen right now.
27:39I feel like I still obviously have lots of feelings towards him.
27:47I do love Dakota.
27:48That's why I'm in so much pain.
28:00Coming Soon
28:19It's important for me that Zack makes peace with Jesse and Demi
28:23because I feel like a lot of the resentment they have towards me
28:28is actually because of the resentment they have towards Zach.
28:32Hi, babe.
28:33Hi, how did it go?
28:37That was a little rough.
28:38Oh no, you wanna come sit right here?
28:41So they were basically like,
28:44Zach, the reason we have such negative feelings towards you
28:47is every time we're with Jen, all it is is negativity.
28:51All she says is how horrible you are,
28:54how narcissistic you are.
28:55You're kidding me right now.
28:57And I clarified a lot of lies
28:59and things that had been said about me,
29:00and they're like, well, that's what we had heard.
29:02Like, I haven't really talked to them at all since Vegas.
29:05So-
29:06In fact, they've never even reached out to me.
29:07So they also called you out for that.
29:10So let me just-
29:11Called me out.
29:12Yes.
29:13Didn't feel like it was like a,
29:15hey, how do we squash our beef to then support Jen?
29:18It kind of felt like it was everyone,
29:21not-
29:22Against Zach.
29:23No, against you, to be honest.
29:24Against me.
29:25It just bums me out.
29:27I've made mistakes.
29:29That being said, it's like,
29:30I feel like I'm so careful with my friends about the way,
29:34like, cause there's negative things that you do,
29:37but I would never tell like Colin or Jackson
29:38or my best buddies these things
29:39because I don't want them to have this one-sided opinion.
29:42I don't want to vent to them about my marriage.
29:44All I've done since Vegas is defend you.
29:46On social media, with my friends.
29:49At the same time, I'm also not defending your actions,
29:52but I have defended you and our relationship
29:56more times than you can even count.
29:58And do you know how many people have made me felt
30:00like delusional for doing that?
30:03And the crap that I've been through
30:05for defending you and your actions?
30:07If you don't trust them,
30:09then please don't go share all the negativity
30:12about our marriage.
30:14I mean, the fact that they're saying that makes me so,
30:18wait, you're not listening to me.
30:19Let me speak.
30:20You spoke for five minutes.
30:22Hear me out.
30:23Will I admit that there are times I talked negatively
30:26about you before Vegas?
30:28Yes.
30:29They said it's continued.
30:30No, no.
30:32In fact, they haven't been a part of my life after Vegas.
30:34I'm definitely triggered because Zach went there
30:37to apologize in the first place
30:39and now it's turned back on me.
30:41I need to have a conversation with the girls
30:43because I feel like if they truly valued me as a friend,
30:46they wouldn't be turning my husband against me.
30:48I just want to squash everything
30:50and get to the bottom of all of this.
30:53I would be happy to sit down with you and them.
30:57Yeah.
30:58I want to be straightforward about everything
30:59and I don't want to be playing telephone.
31:00Like I want everyone in the room.
31:01That's what it felt like is a lot of he said, she said.
31:03And I'm not playing the he said, she said anymore.
31:05And I think it would be best if we were all in the same room.
31:08So I kind of thought this could be like a centerpiece
31:31for food.
31:31That'll be cute.
31:32Are you amped?
31:34I'm nervous.
31:34Look how cute.
31:36Spooky.
31:37That's going to go out front, right?
31:38Yeah.
31:39Oh, they're here.
31:41Hello.
31:42We just let ourselves in.
31:43Welcome to our home.
31:44Jordan and I are having a Halloween party
31:46and we are having Brett and Demi over today.
31:48We had this idea to surprise everyone
31:51with a Chippendales performance starring Brett and Jordan.
31:54I think it's a chance for Zach to show
31:56that he's really changed and to just embrace this
31:59and be able to move forward.
32:01I mean, do you think this ends good?
32:02I know you're saying it's a coin flip,
32:03but what's your premonition to that?
32:05I don't know.
32:06They're like, stop yapping.
32:07For his sake, I hope, obviously, that he reacts...
32:10Normally.
32:11...as though he's evolved.
32:12Do you think you're a little bit of a pusser?
32:14I think I'm a therapist.
32:15It's going to be crazy, though,
32:16like getting everyone in one room.
32:18I heard that you're inviting Kate.
32:20Is she bringing Chase?
32:22I think so.
32:23Jesse inviting Chase to the Halloween party
32:26is so messy because everyone has literally
32:29hooked up with everyone.
32:30We had Taylor, who was married to her ex-husband.
32:33They swung with Miranda and Chase.
32:36Chase fell in love with Taylor,
32:38but Taylor didn't reciprocate those same feelings for Chase,
32:42so Chase got butt hurt,
32:43and he's been bashing her online ever since.
32:46Now, Chase is dating one of Jesse's friends, Kate,
32:50but also Layla and Chase hooked up,
32:53so this is just going to end so bad.
32:55I'm nervous about it.
32:56In a normal world,
32:57I would never put these people together in one room,
33:00but how else are we going to get to the bottom
33:02of Miranda's involvement in the swinging scandal?
33:04Like, if you want to come back into MomTalk,
33:06you have to be willing to tell the truth.
33:11Oh, my gosh, he's here, you guys.
33:12What if he broke out into a dance right now?
33:14How's it going? Hey, guys, how's it going?
33:15Good, Jordan. Jason.
33:16Jason, nice to meet you. Brett.
33:17Jason, nice to meet you guys.
33:19I think I oiled you up at one point.
33:20Yeah, there was a little bit of that backstage.
33:23We've flown in an actual host of Chippendales.
33:28He's going to teach them not only a choreographed dance,
33:31but be there with them in the performance.
33:34Brett is going to look so sexy.
33:36We might need to implement this at home.
33:38Can you guys take off your shirts for this?
33:40Yeah, I think we need the shirts off.
33:41Oh, boy.
33:42Just giving it a little bit.
33:45And then, no, no, no.
33:46No, no, no.
33:48Yeah, you got to roll it.
33:49Yeah, I like that.
33:50Oh, I don't like that.
33:51Yeah, I can't get you to dance on it.
33:55So Jen's going to be the guest of honor.
33:57She'll be right here.
33:58We're going to give Jen the full Chippendales experience,
34:00and it's not the full experience
34:01if she doesn't get a lap dance, right?
34:04Time to go.
34:05Roll, roll.
34:11Next.
34:11You got to get ready.
34:12I guess I'm going in for this, too, then.
34:15Just let it go.
34:16And then you have to kiss her all again.
34:23That was incredible.
34:24I think that's good.
34:24And then after that, then it can just be like freestyle
34:27for like having fun with it, right?
34:28Yeah.
34:29Oh, boy.
34:30I'm kind of nervous.
34:32This is either going to be the best Halloween party ever
34:34or the worst.
34:37I think you guys did a great job.
34:38We need a lot more practice.
34:39I mean.
34:51Hi, guys.
34:52Welcome in.
34:53We have our jammies and newborn in this first cubby.
34:55So you guys look around.
34:57You already see something.
34:57Look at the little bats.
34:59So cute.
35:00Oh, my god.
35:02Tomorrow.
35:05Look at the ghosts.
35:06I like the bats more.
35:07OK.
35:08With everyone in Mom Talk, it's clear
35:10that there's still some drama, animosity.
35:14There's tension right now.
35:15So you're still thinking it's a boy?
35:17Yes.
35:18I still think it's a girl.
35:19But lucky me.
35:20I can't afford being involved in any big drama anymore.
35:23Saved by the baby.
35:25God bless.
35:27Good luck tomorrow.
35:28Appreciate it.
35:28We'll be praying for you.
35:31Oh, they're here.
35:32I am sweating.
35:34It's, like, really not any of our business.
35:35But we've been brought into it.
35:36I know.
35:37No, that's what I feel like right now.
35:39I'm like, I'm going to throw up.
35:40Like, I shouldn't be in this conversation.
35:41I know.
35:43Today, Jen and Zach are coming over.
35:45Jen unexpectedly reached out to Demi and I.
35:47And I'm wondering if it's about the baby.
35:49I don't know.
35:50I don't know.
35:51I don't know.
35:52I don't know.
35:53I don't know.
35:53I don't know.
35:54I don't know.
35:55I don't know.
35:56I don't know.
35:57I don't know.
35:57I don't know.
35:58I don't know.
35:59I don't know.
36:00I don't know.
36:01Maybe it's about our conversation with Zach.
36:02I only have Jen's perspective.
36:04I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
36:05Sounds like a pattern.
36:06We've only had Jen's perspective too on you.
36:09And it seems like it's not matching up.
36:11I think all of us left confused and wondering
36:13what the truth was because Jen's telling him one thing
36:16and us another.
36:17Between Miranda and Jen, we seem to be
36:19dealing with so many lies and mom talk lately.
36:21And that's not a good feeling.
36:23Are you going to wait for me?
36:25Sorry, I'm not wasting time.
36:29OK, we need to hear it.
36:30Do we wave?
36:31What's the vibe?
36:32I'm not looking.
36:33This is so comfy.
36:33I hate it.
36:34I hate it.
36:35I hate it.
36:36I hate it.
36:37I hate it.
36:38I hate it.
36:38I hate it.
36:39Hey, you look all dressy.
36:41It definitely hurt hearing that Jesse and Demi
36:44were talking negatively about me to my husband.
36:48It makes me question if they're really on my side
36:51and if they really support me as a friend.
36:53If they have an issue with me,
36:54I would like them to confront that.
36:58Where is everyone at now?
36:59I just told Jen the truth.
37:00I told her, yeah, the girls basically said,
37:03when you're with them, you're talking bad about me.
37:06I guess we could just start there.
37:07Do you feel like you've only heard negative from me?
37:09Because I feel like the past six months,
37:11all I've talked about is the progress that we've made.
37:13I mean, I've had moments where I've confided in you
37:15because I trust you, but my truth is,
37:17our relationship is up and down.
37:19I don't feel like it's correct for you to say
37:23that all I've ever said was negative things.
37:27It's interesting to me that Jen is so upset
37:29with the involvement of everyone in her marriage
37:32when she was the one that brought everyone
37:34into her marriage and into those problems.
37:36We definitely still have our tough days
37:39where we just aren't on the same page.
37:41He just started questioning me and my character.
37:44It's just so frustrating.
37:46This could be the difference between us
37:49either breaking generational trauma or me leaving him.
37:53You are putting all of this out to the world
37:55and then you're getting upset when we have opinions.
37:58Our opinion is being formed by what we're hearing
38:00is what we were saying.
38:01I was being told that you gambled money
38:02that was being given to you by family,
38:04which apparently is not true,
38:06which I would like clarification on that
38:08because I would have never said that
38:09if that wasn't told to me.
38:11I mean, maybe you want to clarify.
38:14That I, babe.
38:16Okay, I mean, we can get into that if that's what you want,
38:18but I would appreciate if you would just tell them the truth
38:21and that is not the truth.
38:25No, he didn't gamble money that his parents sent us.
38:28Had I gambled money behind Jen's back?
38:30Yes.
38:31Had I sports bet behind her back?
38:33I think I had clarified.
38:34I don't remember telling you.
38:35What the fuck, Jen?
38:37Zach didn't gamble away the money
38:39that was given to him for medical school?
38:41That was a big reason why we all were so worried about her
38:45and her relationship.
38:46I don't even know what to believe right now.
38:50If you had the right intentions,
38:52you wouldn't have then continued to talk bad
38:54about my relationship.
38:57Every conversation we have, am I not?
39:00Trust your gut, do what's best for you.
39:02Am I ever like, leave his ass?
39:03He's a horrible person.
39:05I'm majority of the time, team, figure it out.
39:09Team, marriage, yes or no.
39:11I know from your guys' perspective,
39:13you think you guys have been good friends to Jen,
39:14but in her reality, she doesn't feel that way.
39:17I didn't feel like anyone was there for me.
39:19I sent you a text that said,
39:20I have a feeling that I should check in on you right now.
39:22I love you.
39:23I hope you're doing okay.
39:25I also sent you a voice memo and said, I love you.
39:26I hope you're doing okay.
39:27And you kind of like ghost us.
39:29Like you don't really-
39:30I disagree because after Vegas-
39:31You can't disagree, it's a fact.
39:32I checked in on you, Jen.
39:35I literally, oh my God.
39:36I am gonna lose my mind.
39:40I have reached out to her multiple times.
39:41I've sent her voice memos, texts.
39:43She would respond to me like four or five days later,
39:45just like, thanks, love you.
39:47So to say I wasn't there is a lie.
39:50You chose to remove yourself, but rightfully so,
39:53because I confided with you as a friend that I trusted.
39:56I didn't expect that you were going to then
39:58exploit this information.
39:59And then you told the whole group
40:01and then it was the whole group against me.
40:03How could I turn to you after that?
40:05If you had come to me, because you have,
40:07after Italy, you did come to me
40:09and I could easily talk about that,
40:10which I'm not going to.
40:11About what?
40:13Just everything that happened in Italy.
40:15What happened in Italy?
40:17Well, just how after Italy, Brett was crying to you and-
40:21No, he wasn't.
40:23He was in the hotel room.
40:24He was like, you have nothing to worry about.
40:27Some of the girls and I took a trip to Italy
40:29to go to Vanderpump Villa.
40:31And one of the guys specifically, Marciano,
40:33was like super flirtatious.
40:35And I felt like I handled it the best that I could.
40:38Truly did nothing wrong.
40:39I genuinely feel like Jen is just grasping at straws.
40:42I feel like she almost like wants me to be in trouble
40:44or for there to be an issue with me and Brett.
40:47And the issue is not there.
40:49She's trying to just hide behind what's going on with her
40:52and all of the lies that she's telling
40:54that are coming to light and try to,
40:57you know, take the heat off of her.
40:59Jen, I'm not coming at your husband just to come at him.
41:02It's because I've been in a situation like this
41:04and I'm trying to be there for you because I love you.
41:07For so long, I was team Jen against Zach.
41:10And now Jen's showing erratic behavior and starting to lie
41:13and showing what kind of friend she is.
41:15And I don't think that's good for mom talk.
41:17I think there's a lot of things
41:18that this group needs to deal with.
41:24♪♪
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41:30♪♪
41:33♪♪
41:36♪♪
41:39Okay, here comes mom.
41:41I got this outfit.
41:42Is it supposed to be like a naughty nurse or something?
41:44Yes, it's supposed to be naughty, but like it's...
41:47If I let go of this, like, this whole thing is gonna come down.
41:50You have always told me that your fantasy was for me
41:52to dress up as a doctor, so I see what you're going for.
41:55After talking to Jesse and Demi,
41:58I don't know where my friendship stands with them
42:01and if I can trust them.
42:02Oh, my gosh, this is too good.
42:04But I'm definitely not gonna let that stop me
42:06from going to the Halloween party.
42:08Hopefully, we can just have a good time.
42:11Do you have any others?
42:13Um...
42:15This is your Halloween party,
42:17so I'm just gonna be there to support.
42:19Wait, we could be J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
42:21He is your second cousin, so like...
42:23No, he's not.
42:24Yes.
42:25Yes.
42:26Okay.
42:27If that's what you want to keep telling people.
42:29I mean, that's what your family told me.
42:31That is not true.
42:32Yes, it is true.
42:33Okay.
42:34I think the whole Ben Affleck thing is hilarious.
42:37I feel like if anyone was related to Ben Affleck,
42:39that's something they'd imagine.
42:40With Zach, he's just trying to squash it.
42:44Well, his family did tell me that.
42:46What do you mean you're not related?
42:48Why are you sitting like this is a face-off?
42:50Because it is a face-off.
42:51You're not gonna make me feel stupid.
42:53I'm not gonna get into this.
42:54If that's what you were...
42:55Wait a second.
42:56You're not gonna make me feel stupid
42:57when that's all I've been told from your family.
42:59I had told you for months.
43:01Do you...
43:02But do you truly know if that's true or not?
43:04No, and I never claimed that, either, babe.
43:06I told you...
43:07But have you heard that from your family?
43:08Are you gonna let me speak or not?
43:09No.
43:10Have you heard that from your family, yes or no?
43:11I've heard that as a joke.
43:13No one's ever claimed to have some relationship with him
43:16besides you, babe.
43:17How do you jokingly say that to someone
43:19when they're being married into a family?
43:22I have no idea if I am or am not related to Ben Affleck,
43:26and that had been, like, a running joke in my family.
43:28It had never been something serious,
43:30and so when Jen started telling people that,
43:32I did tell her,
43:34I don't think you should say that anymore.
43:35I think that's probably gonna backfire.
43:37Your grandpa was like, yes, like, we have met them before,
43:41like, a long time ago when he was little or something.
43:43I had also heard that.
43:45You were there.
43:46I had heard that.
43:47So then don't make me feel crazy.
43:48I'm not making you feel crazy.
43:49I'm just saying you ran with it when I said...
43:51Of course I ran with that.
43:52I'm second cousins with Ben Affleck.
43:54You're not.
43:55Or maybe you are.
43:56I don't know.
43:57We don't know.
43:58I feel like this is Jen's battle,
43:59and I guess I'll just leave that for Jen
44:02to share her perspective.
44:04But I'm excited for the Halloween party.
44:07I want to show Jen how much I support her,
44:10even though I don't fully trust Demi and Jessie.
44:12I'm just gonna move forward knowing where everyone stands.
44:15Anyways, back to the Halloween costume.
44:17I think that's what we should be for Halloween.
44:19How are you feeling about tonight?
44:20With, like, I mean, with Demi and Jessie?
44:23I'm going to these parties to support you,
44:27and, like, this is a group that you want to be associated with,
44:29therefore I'm gonna be there and be positive.
44:32The conversation with them was tough.
44:35But again, I don't want to continue to do this with them.
44:37I'm trying to leave this up to you.
44:39It's your decision to decide if they're good friends or not.
45:00Do I look like J-Lo?
45:02Nice.
45:04Do you like it?
45:05I like it.
45:07You look so good.
45:08You look like Ben Affleck.
45:09Oh, my gosh.
45:10This looks so good.
45:12So tonight's the Halloween party.
45:14I'm really excited to have everyone over to my new home.
45:17Jordan and I decided to dress up as Ben Affleck and J-Lo.
45:21Jen and Zac are probably not gonna be too happy about this.
45:24But how was I supposed to know we were gonna have a big fight before the party?
45:27Ha, ha, ha, ha.
45:32I cannot.
45:34You look so hot.
45:37How are you?
45:39You look so good.
45:41I'm super excited because I'm bringing my boyfriend Cameron tonight.
45:44This is the first time he's gonna be around all of MomTalk.
45:47And I'm really excited for him to kind of just get integrated into the group.
45:50Come get a drink.
45:51We have food.
45:52We have soda.
45:53Hello.
45:55Thank you for coming.
45:56You guys look so good.
45:58Dakota just texted me.
45:59He's almost here.
46:01Are they coming together?
46:02They got in a huge fight last night.
46:03No.
46:04So then he called Dakota.
46:06Well, shit, dude.
46:07You know how it is.
46:08Like, I mean, when she's pissed off, dude, she's pissed off.
46:10It's not super enjoyable for me to be around her when she's angry.
46:14Well, don't be around her.
46:15It's a big party.
46:17You guys have a baby together.
46:18You could be at a party together.
46:19Like, come on.
46:20They need to grow the hell up.
46:26Taylor's here.
46:27Taylor's here.
46:28Okay, Taylor's coming in.
46:30You look so hot.
46:32So do you.
46:33Do you know who I am?
46:34Let me see.
46:35Look at me and him together.
46:36Am I an idiot?
46:37J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
46:39You're kidding.
46:40We're going to roast Jen and Zach.
46:42You assholes.
46:48Hello.
46:52This is unreal.
46:57Is your ass out?
46:58I know!
46:59Woo!
47:00Hey!
47:01Hey!
47:02Woo!
47:03You know Dakota's coming, right?
47:04It's just funny, because I, like, I knew he was going to come regardless.
47:07Really?
47:08You did?
47:09Then I'll come and tell them.
47:10There's no way he's not coming.
47:11Well, I'm like, Chase is coming.
47:13I don't know what Jessie was thinking, but she invited Dakota, Miranda, and Chase, her ex-husband.
47:19These are people that I am not getting along with, haven't gotten along with, so I feel
47:22like this is going to be miserable.
47:24All I see is chaos.
47:26My friend who's dating Chase, she was like, I tried to test him, and I was like, oh, I'm
47:30really nervous.
47:31I don't think we should go.
47:32And he's like, no, we have to go.
47:33Like, he wants to come so bad.
47:35He's such a freak.
47:40I am so glad that I got invited to Jessie's Halloween party.
47:43I just think that it's another opportunity for me to connect with everyone and hopefully
47:48deepen those relationships.
47:49Maybe if I'm lucky, I can get in the good graces of these girls and potentially be back
47:54in long time.
47:57Oh, Jenna's back right there.
47:59Oh, yeah.
48:02Hi, guys!
48:03Hi!
48:04I'm hot this way.
48:05This is hot.
48:06This is hot.
48:07Wait, so we have J-Lo and Ben Affleck, and then J-Lo and Ben Affleck?
48:10Yes.
48:11I freaking love it.
48:13Jessie likes to start shit, clearly.
48:16I think that this is another jab at Jenna and I's expense, and I'm just not really sure
48:21why she feels the need to do that.
48:24Dakota!
48:25School bus!
48:30What is he?
48:31He's a bus!
48:32He's the bus!
48:33School bus!
48:34He's a school bus!
48:35I don't get it.
48:36I had the brilliant idea for Dakota to be the bus that hits Regina George.
48:43Excuse me, I'm sick.
48:44Have you seen Dakota yet?
48:46No.
48:47He's here.
48:48Is he?
48:49He can come say hi to me.
48:50Yeah, he can come to you.
48:51Yeah, I don't go to them.
48:52Like, don't bring him over here.
48:54Who's gonna come in next?
48:55I'm stressed.
48:56I'm on edge.
48:57I'm getting, like, anxious.
48:59No, it's safe.
49:00I really don't know why Jessie decided to invite all these people, because we have all the
49:05former swingers in the same room.
49:07It's just gonna be a shit show.
49:08I have a feeling that it's gonna be bad.
49:10Chase is coming in.
49:13Oh, wait, and Dakota's right there by the door.
49:18I have a feeling that stuff is about to go down tonight.
49:22Hey, your best friend's here.
49:23Hey, your best friend's pulling up.
49:31Oh, you look so good!
49:33I can't.
49:34You look so good.
49:36It's perfect.
49:37Your house is beautiful.
49:38I'm like, you're the best.
49:39That's what I am.
49:40That's what I am.
49:41I just came as me.
49:42I knew it.
49:43I knew it.
49:44No, this is iconic.
49:45This is so good.
49:46Don't look.
49:47I know.
49:48Don't look.
49:49I'm not.
49:51How many?
49:52A lot.
49:55Chase is my ex-husband, and Kate is his girlfriend.
49:59She's great.
50:00I love her.
50:01I have a good relationship with Chase as well.
50:03But do I want him here at this party?
50:05No.
50:10There's Dakota.
50:11What's up, bro?
50:12Oh, shit.
50:14What's up, dude?
50:15What's up?
50:16How you doing?
50:17Dude, how are you doing?
50:18Dude, good.
50:19You know who comes up to me?
50:20Chase.
50:21He comes up and gives me a hug.
50:22I thought it was weird.
50:24But Taylor's already pissed at me, so I'm trying to be cordial with everyone tonight
50:28and not cause problems.
50:30And so this is the first time where I was like, OK, I'm going to be super nice.
50:34How's being a dad?
50:35Dude, the best thing ever.
50:37Seriously, it's the coolest experience I've ever had in my life.
50:41Is anything happening back there?
50:43Who's talking to who?
50:44No, they're fully talking.
50:45Dakota and Chase?
50:46Dakota and Chase are fully talking.
50:47I don't know what they're saying.
50:48I don't know what they're saying.
50:49Look at them.
50:50They're like giggling.
50:51They're giggling.
50:52They're laughing like shit.
50:53That's all the talk was.
50:54Dude, I don't know what Taylor thinks, but at the end of the day, I don't get why we fucking
50:57hate each other.
50:58Did you ask Taylor, though, if I ever fucked her?
51:00Because the answer is no.
51:01Yeah, I know.
51:02And anything happen outside of spin the bottle?
51:03No.
51:04I know.
51:05But everyone in the world thinks I fuck her.
51:06I know.
51:07This is triggering.
51:13When Taylor first went online, I hadn't told my parents at this point, and again, I'm
51:17an intern missionary, married in a temple.
51:19So I hadn't told them that I had left the church.
51:21Yeah.
51:22So for us, it was like, oh, deny, deny, deny.
51:23Yeah.
51:24And if I could go back, dude, I'd change that 10 out of 10 times.
51:26Right.
51:27And I wish that's what I could tell Taylor and her family is like, look, I wasn't trying
51:30to hit on you.
51:31Yeah.
51:32But the cheating situation was only you.
51:34Chase, he is, like, pointing and, like, talking.
51:37Like, I can just tell he's, like, talking about me.
51:39He keeps pointing at me.
51:40Like, it's triggering, and I'm livid.
51:42Excuse me.
51:43Down here to the right.
51:44Sorry.
51:45Uh-oh.
51:46He's pointing at me.
51:47Yeah.
51:48I would feel it, too.
51:49What's up?
51:50Hi.
51:51What are you asking about?
51:52How are you?
51:53We're talking about everything.
51:54Yeah.
51:55You're pointing at me, so.
51:56Oh, he was saying.
51:57Because we're talking about you.
51:58Good thing.
51:59Yeah.
52:00So what are you talking about?
52:01The whole thing.
52:02Yeah.
52:03OK, I'll let Chase say it.
52:04Yeah, I was saying, at the end of the day, when people ask me about you and my opinion
52:05of you, I say 98% of my interactions with Taylor are extremely positive.
52:09Aspen, your mom, your dad, I fucking love.
52:13I love you guys.
52:14But also, you bring up the lowest point of my life, so I, in return, bring up the lowest
52:18point of yours.
52:19What was your lowest point?
52:20When I don't want to.
52:21What was your lowest point?
52:22When you announced that we were swingers to the whole universe.
52:23That's your lowest point of your life?
52:24Are you sure?
52:25Yeah.
52:26Look at her turning her head, too, dude.
52:27How do you know when she's, like, getting pissed?
52:28She's like, eh.
52:29What do you think's lower than that?
52:30I won't say it for your sake.
52:31Well, don't bring it up and then not say it to me.
52:32I'll do whatever the fuck I want.
52:33I know.
52:34I'm just saying.
52:35Don't tell me what to do.
52:36Maybe we should go stand over there.
52:37I actually haven't gotten a drink yet.
52:38Let me explain.
52:39I want to hear that, too.
52:40No, go.
52:41Go.
52:42I want to hear that.
52:43Hey, I actually want to hear that.
52:44They look like they're, like, heated.
52:45Are we doing all truth for truth right now?
52:46Are we doing truth for truth?
52:47Go for it.
52:48Did you tell me at the gym you had a sex dream about me?
52:49Yeah.
52:50Okay.
52:51Say that right there.
52:52Hey.
52:53They already know that.
52:54I've already talked about that.
52:55I had a sex dream.
52:56Oh, I'm glad.
52:57It took two and a half years to bring that up.
52:58Anything else?
52:59Anything else?
53:00Why did it take two and a half years?
53:01It didn't.
53:02What do you mean?
53:03It didn't take two and a half years?
53:05Why did it take two and a half years?
53:06It didn't.
53:07What did you tell me at the gym?
53:08What did I tell you at the gym?
53:09Yeah, what did you tell me at the gym?
53:10I said I also had a sex dream.
53:11No.
53:12No.
53:13Okay, let's do truth for truth.
53:14Do you know how fucking awkward this is for me right now?
53:15Tell me what you told me at the gym.
53:16That's exactly what I told you.
53:17Are you sure?
53:18We're not doing truth for truth then.
53:19There you go.
53:20Okay, look at him.
53:21You can tell he's lying.
53:22Did you or not?
53:23No, I never said that.
53:24That whole thing-
53:25Okay, you can just tell he's lying right here.
53:26No, listen.
53:27Hey, dude, I do.
53:28I feel like you just lied right there.
53:35What do we-
53:36Okay, guys, change.
53:37Hurry.
53:38How are we feeling?
53:39What's-
53:40I'm absolutely terrified, but just going to lean into it like you've never seen before.
53:45Guys, I'm like nervously like getting-
53:47Why am I nervous?
53:48Because there's a lot going on down there.
53:50There's a lot going on.
53:51I told you what happened at the gym.
53:52I already told you that.
53:53You just said a sex dream.
53:54That's not true.
53:55Yes, that is true.
53:56And I'll tell you what else happened too.
53:58What do you mean listen to a lie?
54:00I'm not trying to listen to anything.
54:02I can't tell you.
54:03This is a thing.
54:04This is for the internet.
54:05I'm just saying.
54:06I'm trying to just let him talk to you.
54:07I'm not a part of this.
54:09One, two.
54:12So stop making it seem like-
54:13He just started it with a sex dream that was out of nowhere.
54:15Taylor, I just found out about that freaking two weeks ago, a month ago.
54:19You never told me that.
54:21Oh, you never told her that?
54:22No.
54:23That's crazy.
54:24No, she let that out too.
54:25That's really opportunistic.
54:26Who said are you on, Dakota?
54:27I don't care if you believe whatever.
54:29If you're my partner, you have my back, and then you discuss it at home.
54:32I feel like so betrayed.
54:34If he's saying that, then why should I not-
54:36Why would you believe him?
54:37This is what I was told.
54:38This is the crazy-
54:41Dakota, you just lied to your face.
54:43Taylor, Taylor, I had a sex dream about you.
54:45That just came out of nowhere to your fucking lying mouth.
54:47Your boyfriend's a fucking liar.
54:49It's fucking sick.
54:50I don't know what's going on.
54:52Look at that.
54:53I never said that.
54:54I want you at home.
54:55I should really sleep at least.
54:56He just looked you in the fucking eye and said he didn't have feelings for me.
54:58You saw his face change.
54:59I'm trying to just-
55:00Wait, Taylor, isn't it crazy?
55:01Fuck you.
55:02Isn't it crazy that-
55:03Fuck you, you're a liar.
55:09Jesse, the police are here.
55:10No.
55:11No.
55:12Just touch my wife.
55:13Take ownership.
55:14Take ownership right now.
55:16Could we watch Secret Life tonight?
55:18No.
55:19What the hell is about to happen?
55:24This is our marriage.
55:25This isn't a game.
55:26I can't do this.
55:27I can't do this.
55:28Will you please cut the camera?
55:30I don't want to get it twisted.
55:32The height of what I was involved in was kissing people.
55:35You did do more than just kiss.
55:37Like, if you're going to come into mom talk, be open and honest.
55:40Because if you're not, I will clear the air.
55:43I just want to move on.