Off The Record | Pakistan's Biggest Victory Against India | Ashfaq Satti | ARY News | 15th May 2025
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00:00Asalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, I am Ashfaq Isaak, I hope you are all doing well.
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02:13The issue of Kashmir, as you can see, is our pride and we cannot compromise on it.
02:18Thank God, the issue of Kashmir has been internationalized.
02:21Today, DGISPR has also talked about it. Let me show you.
02:43Our response will be swift and assured.
03:13So, let's go. One thing in this was that the statement of the President of the World Bank, Ajay Banga, came forward and said that
03:41the Sintas Agreement cannot be terminated unilaterally.
03:47It is necessary for both the countries to agree on it.
03:49Obviously, both are signatories, so it is not possible.
03:52Let me introduce our guest.
03:55First of all, we have with us Mr. Sharmila Faruqi and her National Assembly.
03:59Thank you so much for your time.
04:00Mr. Rana Ahsan Afzal is the coordinator of the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
04:03Thank you very much.
04:04On his left is Dr. Qamar Cheema, who is also a security and foreign affairs expert.
04:11Thank you very much, Mr. Cheema.
04:13Mr. Sharmila, let's start with you.
04:15Today, you have come in a green attire under the spirit of patriotism.
04:19This is a very good thing.
04:21But tell me your thoughts on whatever has happened.
04:25The way we used to talk about our supremacy in the conventional doctrine.
04:32Earlier, we used to say that there is only one thing to compete with Pakistan.
04:36The world used to say this.
04:37We used to believe that this is conventional supremacy.
04:40But we have proven that whether it is conventional warfare or unconventional, we are ready.
04:46No doubt.
04:47It has been proven.
04:48No doubt.
04:49Thank you very much, Mr. Sati.
04:50You know, today I sit here as a very, very proud Pakistani.
04:54I can see that.
04:55And I am so happy because I have seen this nation being united in this whole scenario.
05:05Children, old people, young people, women, political parties, everybody across the board.
05:10Even those young people who had never heard of war, had never seen a war.
05:15We had never seen a 65 people war.
05:17But the spirit of sacrifice and that we have to save this country, we will do it with this country.
05:22That was unbelievable.
05:23And then the way Mr. Sati, our air defense, with precision, dropped India's aircraft, that was amazing.
05:34I mean, we are so, so, so proud of them.
05:36We always used to think that India is a very big country.
05:39They have a lot of resources.
05:40They have a lot of conventional warfare.
05:42We don't have that.
05:44But first of all, we showed restraint.
05:47It was an unprovoked war.
05:48We did not start.
05:49We attacked, we defended.
05:50And we were always saying, you will remember, that we will not start, but we will finish.
05:55And when we answer, then we will see the world at our own time.
05:59And we showed the world.
06:00And we convinced them that Pakistan, no doubt, we do not have the resources that India has.
06:07But we have that expertise, those young people who can compete with anything.
06:13You see, the way Rafale was dropped.
06:16Okay, we did a lot of shows with you during that time.
06:20You must remember that our media showed a lot of restraint.
06:24Yes, yes.
06:25They mocked Pakistan in a very good way.
06:28And the best thing that has happened in this is that the narrative that India used to sell traditionally to the West, it could not be sold this time.
06:35And Pakistan convinced itself in the world that we do not raise terrorists, we hunt them.
06:44We kill them.
06:45And we ourselves are victims of terrorism.
06:47And we ourselves are victims of terrorism.
06:48Indian-sponsored terrorism.
06:50Yes, Indian-sponsored.
06:51You see, I always understand that in every calamity, there is an opportunity.
06:58We have a window of opportunity.
07:00At this time, we will have to say that Jaffar Express is a BLHL, it is nothing.
07:04It is India.
07:05India terrorizes Pakistan.
07:07And you see, the biggest thing that has happened, no doubt our friendly countries, China, Turkey, Azerbaijan, UAE, you know, all these countries, Saudi Arabia, Qatar.
07:19They helped us a lot and stood with us.
07:24But this time, a good thing has happened and we were not expecting that Trump has brought India and Pakistan to a crossroad.
07:30Because we were always attacked.
07:32Pakistan-Afghanistan.
07:33We are equal to India.
07:35Both great nations, great leadership.
07:38And then the matter of Kashmir should be solved.
07:40Kashmir is back on the map.
07:42He has that understanding.
07:43Yes.
07:44And earlier it was that it is a settled issue and it is of India and so on.
07:47And they said that we will not do that in internal matters.
07:51But at this time, I think we understand that we should forcefully propagate our Kashmir issue.
07:59And we should tell that we have evidence, India does not have evidence.
08:04We have evidence that India is terrorizing our country.
08:07I will talk about that.
08:08Mr. Rana, tell me this.
08:10First of all, I am sure that you must be very excited as well.
08:12The way we performed, Mashallah.
08:14And we were always sure.
08:15First of all, you should take care of this.
08:18Secondly, this is Trump's statement from the very beginning.
08:22Even though he has exaggerated for years that there is a dispute between them which is 1,500 years old.
08:28But he knows what the bone of contention is.
08:30Donald Trump accepted Kashmir as a disputed territory.
08:34Then there was the proposal of Salicy on Kashmir.
08:36Then initially there was hesitation and then neutrality.
08:40That is, peace was also brokered in a way.
08:44From the side of Russia, there was a little bit of neutrality shown to India, which it was not expecting.
08:51Then the rest of the international community, their support with Pakistan.
08:55The way China and Turkey have increased and are with Pakistan.
08:58I would like you to comment on this.
09:00In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
09:02Look, Sharmila Sahiba also said about the same thing that we showed military supremacy.
09:09Alhamdulillah, Allah gave great success.
09:12The thing you are talking about, that diplomatic supremacy was also shown by Pakistan against India.
09:18And how was it shown?
09:20One was our ethical and moral high ground.
09:24And the credibility that we gained in this era and India lost, that was the foundation.
09:29How was it made?
09:30One was our stance on Pahelgam that Pakistan is an open book.
09:34If you want to carry out an international investigation, then we will support it.
09:38Then secondly, Pakistan showed restraint.
09:41When India made a shameful attack on the civilians,
09:46then in return, we did not want to target the civilians.
09:51So, Pakistan showed restraint.
09:54And then we attacked when they attacked our air bases.
09:59So, this also made our credibility.
10:02So, the stance that the world has taken is that India showed aggression,
10:08offence, in spite of this, they could not show any evidence.
10:12So, this is Pakistan's restraint.
10:15Then if you look at Pakistan, our Ministry of Information or DGISPR's attitude,
10:22the way they interacted, gave information to the world.
10:26With responsibility.
10:27With responsibility and challenged.
10:29They said that the evidence we are giving you, you should do a forensic.
10:32So, all this credibility was built.
10:34Pakistan gained credibility, India lost credibility.
10:37Then definitely the world, then the fact that America jumped in.
10:42See, America jumped in when Pakistan gave a blunt answer.
10:46Which India was not expecting.
10:48And neither was America expecting.
10:49Because one day before, the Vice President J.D. Wanch,
10:53he had a very clear cut that we talked about de-escalation in this matter,
10:59but we will not intervene in this.
11:01This is a matter of both of them.
11:03And maybe that was because India had covered itself,
11:08that we are handling Pakistan, let us handle it.
11:12The statement of the first day was correct.
11:14The statement given later, I think it was influenced by Zaujai Mahtarma.
11:18So, when we hit them and when they understood that this is totally,
11:22whether it is air combat, whether it is missile combat, whether it is cyber combat,
11:28whether it is about shutting down your electricity,
11:30then we shook them from everywhere, even in terms of drones.
11:34So, that is when they said that there will be conspiracy.
11:37The rest of the world, in my opinion,
11:39the stance that has been placed on terrorism in Pakistan,
11:42the overall stance that we have placed,
11:47in that Pakistan turned red.
11:49India...
11:51If I could hear, this thing came from India,
11:56that how the investigation is still going on,
11:59the Pahalgam incident is yet to be decided,
12:02the leads are still being given.
12:04Please, show it.
12:06This is Yashi Sehli from Business India.
12:08Are there any leads of the terrorists who attacked on the 22nd of April?
12:13And three terrorists were neutralized in Shopia today.
12:16Do they have any links with the terror attack of the 22nd?
12:19Yashi, the investigations are on, so we will have to wait for the progress.
12:24Obviously, when we make progress, we will keep you updated.
12:28Okay, Randhir Jaiswal is the spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs.
12:33So, neither did Jai Shankar feel ashamed,
12:36nor Narendra Modi, nor Amit Shah,
12:39nor Ajit Doval,
12:41nor Rajnath Singh,
12:43that the investigation was done, and despite that...
12:46Will you comment on that, sir?
12:48What is this?
12:50This is an international war crime, so what will you say?
12:53Look, I think India is overconfident, Mr. Ashfaq.
12:56And overconfidence was that we have a strategic partnership with the leadership of the whole world,
13:02a comprehensive global strategic partnership with America,
13:05and never underestimate this term,
13:07that India and America are partners in the whole world,
13:10whether it is Latin America or Africa.
13:12Now, the Indians were so overconfident,
13:14that whatever story we will sell them,
13:16and we are the allies of the West,
13:18and as an ally of the West, we are treated the same way as Germany,
13:22as France,
13:24as some other European countries,
13:26as the British,
13:28but they never understood that the story they were telling,
13:30no one was trusting that story.
13:32So, if you see, first there was overconfidence,
13:34now there is panic.
13:36Panic is that Rafale did not work,
13:38panic is that S-400,
13:40on which there was a pillow,
13:42and it was shown to the public,
13:44that we took this defense system worth 5.4 billion dollars,
13:46then we took Rafale,
13:48they could not perform.
13:50So, first they were overconfident,
13:52but the most important thing,
13:54what you are saying now, Mr. Jaiswal,
13:56you did not do any investigation,
13:58you attacked Pakistan,
14:00you also spoilt relations with Turkey,
14:02you also spoilt relations with Azerbaijan,
14:04you also spoilt relations with America.
14:06I mean, it is such a big diplomatic blunder,
14:08that if you go before April 22,
14:10then India was so good in the world,
14:12but in these 20 days,
14:14in these 22 days,
14:16India's overall global landscape has changed so much,
14:18that inside India,
14:20it is being said that we are hollow,
14:22the whole world is our enemy,
14:24and we have cut our within region India,
14:26so I think that
14:28what India is doing,
14:30basically there is a lot of panic,
14:32and even today they are saying,
14:34they have no shame,
14:36the world did not trust their narrative,
14:38you imagine,
14:40that the US Vice President said,
14:42this is none of our business,
14:44what is going on in South Asia,
14:46and then immediately came to rescue,
14:48Americans rescued India,
14:50and they knew about this,
14:52you know why they did that,
14:54from what I understand is,
14:56they saw what happened with Rafale,
14:58what happened with Russian weaponry,
15:00they were afraid that if the Navy moves forward,
15:02then those P-8 Poseidons,
15:04which are their maritime patrols,
15:06will be destroyed somewhere,
15:08and the deal of F-35 will not be affected.
15:10So they realized that this synergy
15:12of Pakistan and China,
15:14they realized that it is somewhere,
15:16Narendra Modi has basically changed the script,
15:18the script was that,
15:20earlier Modi used to say,
15:22that this kind of action should be done
15:24before the elections,
15:26this time after the elections,
15:28he said that it is natural,
15:30but they were caught,
15:32and all the diplomatic dividends
15:34of 11 years,
15:36all of them were lost,
15:38now you see,
15:40even Russia,
15:42for whom India fought
15:44is saying the same story,
15:46not a single country is saying the same,
15:48so I understand that no one trusted their story,
15:50and then the biggest thing
15:52they have started doing,
15:54is that they have weaponized
15:56their entire population,
15:58that you are lying,
16:00but weaponize,
16:02that we will not do business with Turkey,
16:04we will not go to Pakistan,
16:06so the world does not care,
16:08the world is very big.
16:10If I can add a point on the diplomatic front,
16:12India's stance,
16:14even before the war,
16:16was acting as a bully,
16:18regional power,
16:20self-proclaimed regional power,
16:22and to mess with everyone,
16:24and their foreign minister,
16:26their arrogant attitude,
16:28and their arrogant talks,
16:30they look good then,
16:32but when the time comes,
16:34when the world has to select,
16:36who to stand with,
16:38then they remember,
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19:00I would like to say one thing here,
19:02Mr. Rana, let me start with you,
19:04I was very disappointed,
19:06on one hand, on the role of Indian media,
19:08and very credible people,
19:10who were considered,
19:12Barkat Dutt, etc,
19:14although everyone knew
19:16about his murderous operandi,
19:18but he destroyed the Karachi port,
19:20Mr. Shahbaz Sharif hid in the bunker,
19:22and God knows what else,
19:24in Lahore, I knew that all this was fake,
19:26in Lahore, they said that
19:28it's good, we don't have to go to Karachi,
19:30we can go to the seaside,
19:32and have some fun,
19:34I was very disappointed,
19:36that they made a fake narrative,
19:38so what would you like to say?
19:40I think that this is a challenge,
19:42of Modi,
19:44and the public sentiment is building,
19:46when you feed something to the public,
19:48and you feed it to the media,
19:50then definitely,
19:52the public sentiment is building,
19:54and the atmosphere of trust,
19:56is building,
19:58and the public sentiment is building,
20:00and the atmosphere of trust,
20:02is building,
20:04and the public sentiment is building,
20:06and the media was telling them,
20:08that everything is good,
20:10and they denied,
20:12and the Pakistan DGISPR,
20:14was telling you,
20:16about our losses,
20:18and our martyrs,
20:20and they were informing the public,
20:22about our losses,
20:24and everyone played a very positive role,
20:26even the Air Vice Marshal,
20:28and everyone played a very positive role,
20:30even the Air Vice Marshal,
20:32there is nothing in,
20:34what they were telling,
20:36that is fake,
20:38or that shouldn't be cross checked,
20:40but they challenged the world to do forensic,
20:42but they challenged the world to do forensic,
20:44versus India,
20:46that they made a mood,
20:48and then they prepared,
20:50and the media was able,
20:52The public came to know that our media is lying to us.
20:55That is, they have discussed those plans to flatten Pakistan and to conquer it, which were not in their war statement.
21:04And now you think that where are they getting information from? From CNN, BBC.
21:08They are getting information from international sources.
21:11So think that the credibility of Indian media was not there before.
21:15But in the public, I think their credibility has been destroyed.
21:20It will be destroyed in the world too.
21:22I think it is a lesson learned that even if you lie and do propaganda, it will go on for two days.
21:30It will go on for five days. It will go on for 15 days.
21:33But when the public finds out the truth, you will have nothing left.
21:37The point is basically that no matter how loud you are, no matter how much you keep talking,
21:41but if you are not telling the truth, then no one will accept your thing.
21:46Doctor, tell me the basic point.
21:49First, let me talk about one thing.
21:51The issue of Kashmir, we have internationalized it.
21:54Now, should we adopt a strategy for it?
21:57Because we say that we are a poet, everything is fine.
22:00But what kind of strategy should there be in which this issue of human rights and self-determination comes to light in front of the world?
22:09Or is it taken as a territorial dispute?
22:12Or is it taken as Trump's words?
22:14So, how should we do that?
22:16Because all these things are happening there.
22:18Look, the first thing is that I think that our leadership, the political class,
22:22look at the People's Party, Bilawal sir, who is the foreign minister in the last two terms, now PMLN.
22:27I say that it was an extremely cautious diplomacy.
22:29And they both explained their case to the world in a very good, fine way.
22:35And the world does not feel that it is an arrogant nation.
22:38The world feels that they are saying the right thing.
22:41On the contrary, if you go to the Indian side, it is offensive, rude.
22:44Then when their media is seen, the world has seen them from a different angle.
22:50That what we were thinking is not like that.
22:52Secondly, what you are saying about Kashmir, I think we have a very good opportunity.
22:57And let me tell you that the second tweet that Trump made that day after the ceasefire,
23:01I think that Kashmir's word was included at the behest of Pakistan.
23:05So, at that time, Pakistan's position was so strong, Mr. Shoaib,
23:09that Pakistan said that Kashmir is a central conflict, it is a nuclear flashpoint,
23:16and as long as it remains, things will not be right.
23:19That is why India said that we are doing mediation.
23:22When India's arrogance comes to the fore,
23:24that they say that even in 2019, they told Trump that we do not need your mediation.
23:29They are still saying that.
23:30So, the point is that we need an offensive diplomacy again at the global stage.
23:35That we go and tell our entire political class that we have come out of a very big nuclear crisis
23:42because this dispute has not been solved.
23:44And if you have given this area that India will deal with,
23:50then India is not capable of it at the moment, nor is it capable of it.
23:54Because within the region, you go to Bangladesh, there is an India Out campaign,
23:58there is an India Out campaign in the Maldives.
24:00Within the country, Pakistan, 7 sister states.
24:03The point is that the world what needs to do is that they will have to take interest in this area again.
24:08And those who are saying again and again that India has a very big market,
24:11we cannot say anything, we do not want to intervene the third party.
24:14I think that we should not trust Pakistan bilaterally on India.
24:18If they say that we should not do it bilaterally,
24:20tell me that if they can run away from a treaty made by the World Bank 65 years ago,
24:26then they can run away by talking to us bilaterally.
24:29So take it to the global stage again that this is a conflict, we are in a very difficult situation.
24:33And I think that the role of the Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister is very clear here.
24:37And this is not a joke that after every 4 years they are fighting there.
24:41And the whole of Pakistan is also engaging, India is also engaging.
24:44Mark is there, then prepare.
24:45Then prepare.
24:46So I think that this is our tension, the direction should come
24:49that how to take it to the global stage again.
24:52Because Trump has made it internationalized.
24:54We will take a break here, we will be back after the break.
25:24The human rights violations that are happening there,
25:26you see that thousands of Palestinians have been martyred.
25:29Plus, the situation there, people's lives are in danger.
25:35How can we highlight that on humanitarian grounds?
25:39So that we feel that there is something bigger than this.
25:41It is not just a territorial dispute.
25:43Look, the territorial dispute is in its place.
25:46There is no doubt about it.
25:47But the way human rights violations are happening there,
25:51the way innocent people are being massacred,
25:54the way their rights are being usurped,
25:56I think people in the world are very complacent about this.
26:00The voice is not being raised in that way.
26:02In that way, it is not being used aggressively in front of the world.
26:07Either the West is sitting with its eyes closed.
26:10But I think Pakistan now has an opportunity.
26:13Because after this whole war, although our people, 40 people have been martyred,
26:19our collateral damage has also been done.
26:21But I think, as I said earlier, there is an opportunity.
26:24And this opportunity is that now when Pakistan talks, the world will listen.
26:28And I would like to add one thing here that in this whole matter,
26:32when you had to give an answer,
26:35the way Chairman Bilal Bhutto Zardari faced the international media,
26:40the way he put the local media and Pakistan in a global scenario,
26:47again, it was remarkable, I think.
26:50Everybody appreciated it.
26:52And I think that at that time, it was not like People's Party, PMLN, MQM, etc.
26:58Everybody was one.
27:00Everyone was talking for Pakistan, for Pakistaniyat.
27:04As I said, there were small children who did not know what a war was.
27:08But the passion was such that everybody was ready.
27:14Till the end, we will stand by armed forces.
27:17And I think, for the first time,
27:20I felt that the overwhelming positive response that our armed forces have received,
27:26we have never received before.
27:28Mr. Rana, please comment on this.
27:31Wars have changed a lot.
27:33This modern warfare, drones are flying over your heads.
27:36They were flying over us, and they came here.
27:38We shot them down.
27:40But we got an idea that it is serious.
27:43And now, the reach of weapons,
27:46that is, if you are on the ground,
27:48your heartbeat is known,
27:50thermal imaging tells you where you are.
27:52Plus, the missiles are everywhere,
27:54ours there, theirs there.
27:56So, this gives a lot of idea that the problem,
27:58and the public has also realized that the matter is very serious.
28:01And we will have to stand with Pakistan's army.
28:04How big a change did you see?
28:06And you saw a very good thing.
28:08You saw unity.
28:09The key role of the Pak army is the defense of the border.
28:14And the way our eastern border is,
28:17and the way our western border is,
28:19they are engaged throughout the year.
28:22Now you see, if there is terrorism,
28:25there are 2,000 or 2,500 incidents.
28:28So, they are spilling their blood on a daily basis.
28:31To protect Pakistan,
28:33so that a common man who is sitting in Lahore,
28:35in Islamabad, in Karachi,
28:37and who is sitting in other cities,
28:39in Quetta,
28:40can sleep peacefully.
28:43When the war happened,
28:44you said that it was not,
28:46first of all, on the LOC,
28:47our soldiers were fighting in the same way,
28:49like a conventional war.
28:51And there they also gave martyrs,
28:53and they gave a brave front.
28:56But when these drones,
28:57just like in the territory of Pakistan,
28:59entered the cities,
29:00so a fear factor was created,
29:02a fear of harassment.
29:04They tried to make it, but it didn't.
29:06They are taking the dead bodies.
29:08But that's okay.
29:09But people felt that,
29:11this has reached your homes.
29:13This has been heard,
29:15that it has reached a certain place,
29:17it has reached there too.
29:18So, we didn't take a step here either.
29:21The main thing is,
29:22even if a civilian was attacked,
29:24they targeted our mosques.
29:26We didn't attack their temples.
29:28We didn't.
29:29So, this is also a part of it,
29:31that the enemy who was with you,
29:34they didn't have any ethics or morals.
29:36They fought like a military.
29:40Or there is a military training,
29:44that you will not go below a level,
29:46they fought by falling down.
29:47So, this is a regrettable thing.
29:49But when Pakistan answered that thing,
29:52So, within that.
29:53Okay, tell me this, Dr.
29:55that this matter was another aspect of it.
29:58Regarding the issue of Kashmir,
30:01we saw an element of Islamophobia.
30:04I remember and I can't forget that comment,
30:06and that tweet,
30:07which was made by the handle of BJP,
30:09that religion asked,
30:11not the individual.
30:12We will not forget.
30:13So, do you think this message was only for Pakistan,
30:17or was it for the Kashmiri people too?
30:19It was for those Muslims living in India,
30:21about whom Narendra Modi says,
30:23that their population increased by 43%,
30:26and the population of Hindus increased by 8%.
30:28So, how to highlight this matter,
30:30this factor of Islamophobia?
30:32See, this is a very important thing,
30:34and all this drama was done deliberately.
30:37One was to frame Pakistan.
30:39And second, within India,
30:41they wanted to tell their people,
30:43that look, we have been killed,
30:45in the name of religion.
30:47So, keep Muslims on the hit list.
30:49So, this was basically their aim.
30:52So, what they did,
30:53that Pakistan is involved,
30:55the media did it.
30:56So, they also made the 25 crore Muslims of India,
30:59equally insecure.
31:01So, this was done deliberately.
31:03And not only this, Mr. Ashfaq,
31:05you see, since Haseena Wajid left power,
31:07what kind of lens did she look at Bangladesh from?
31:09Like this.
31:10She looks at Bangladesh,
31:11that these are all Muslims,
31:13and militants, and Islamists.
31:15There are 25 crore people in Pakistan,
31:17they are also called like this.
31:18Then you see,
31:19that there are 25 crore Muslims in India,
31:21they are also called like this.
31:22So, overall, this was a proper planned campaign,
31:25that we have to hit Indian Muslims as well,
31:28because we have been targeted as Hindus,
31:31and we have to do it in Pakistan as well.
31:32And the Islamophobia campaign,
31:34you know,
31:35the previous government was also very clear about Pakistan.
31:37Internationally,
31:38now the United Nations has appointed a special envoy for it.
31:41I understand,
31:42now what happens is,
31:43that India,
31:44all the global discussions,
31:45they try to implement them domestically.
31:47Like these foreign things were going on,
31:49Islamophobia was going on,
31:50so they thought,
31:51that we should also take advantage in the same way.
31:54So, I feel,
31:55that this was done deliberately,
31:57to create more division,
31:59to create division,
32:01to create hatred,
32:02and then,
32:03when tomorrow,
32:04Hindus will attack Muslims,
32:06then it will be declared legitimized.
32:08So, how can we highlight this?
32:09The question was...
32:10See,
32:11it was highlighted,
32:12that these are all deliberate campaigns,
32:15it has nothing to do with Muslims being killed there,
32:17Muslims were also killed there.
32:18So, I think,
32:19that this was deliberately created division,
32:21it was highlighted automatically.
32:22But, I would like to add here,
32:24that we have also helped India in a way.
32:26The Hindutva policy,
32:28is a disaster for India as well.
32:30Because,
32:31the population of 25 crore Muslims,
32:33cannot end.
32:34It has to stay there.
32:35It will grow.
32:36No, there are not only 25 crore Muslims,
32:37there are Dalits,
32:38Sikhs,
32:39Christians,
32:40Kashmiris,
32:41all of them.
32:42So, this policy,
32:43the direction it was taking,
32:44the majority,
32:45the vote bank,
32:46would have been gained by Modi.
32:47But,
32:48it was a disaster for India.
32:49So,
32:50by exposing this to Modi,
32:52or by giving a setback to Modi,
32:54the sane voices of India,
32:56who are talking about Makul,
32:58who are talking about a secular India,
33:01we have strengthened that as well.
33:03So, in a way,
33:04Pakistan's action,
33:05has helped out,
33:06the saner element of India.
33:08Okay,
33:09Sharmila,
33:10tell me,
33:11in the recent situation,
33:13we saw another alliance.
33:15India,
33:16versus Pakistan,
33:18versus China,
33:19Pakistan and China,
33:20and Turkey.
33:21Okay?
33:22And Azerbaijan.
33:23And Azerbaijan.
33:24Yes, yes.
33:25And the rest of the Muslim countries,
33:26who remained silent,
33:27but continued to support Pakistan.
33:28I hope so.
33:29So,
33:30in that,
33:31this diplomatic alliance,
33:32how can we use it,
33:33to resolve the conflict?
33:35The issue of water,
33:36and the issue of Kashmir.
33:38Look,
33:39I think,
33:40these three countries,
33:41were always with Pakistan.
33:43This has always been,
33:44and I remember,
33:45since the time of Shaheed Bibi,
33:46this country,
33:47even Azerbaijan.
33:48And you see,
33:49when China was questioned,
33:51they said,
33:52we are ironclad friends.
33:54This was their word.
33:55They said,
33:56nothing doing.
33:57If there is friendship,
33:58then we will maintain it.
33:59And they maintained their friendship.
34:00And they got their dividend.
34:02Okay,
34:03the second thing is,
34:04Turkey,
34:05Turkey says,
34:06that there is no evidence,
34:08against Pakistan.
34:09They say,
34:10what we say,
34:11and they speak the truth.
34:12All these drones,
34:13that they gave us,
34:14all these drones,
34:15all these,
34:16all these,
34:17all these,
34:18were Turkish.
34:19We have Chinese as well.
34:20We have Chinese,
34:21but,
34:22but now,
34:23we will make drones here,
34:24with the help of the Turkish.
34:26Then,
34:27then,
34:28Azerbaijan,
34:29stood with us,
34:30and,
34:31India is so petty,
34:32it is so petty,
34:33to close Twitter accounts,
34:34to block,
34:35to close the media,
34:36then,
34:37for tourism,
34:38Azerbaijan,
34:39and,
34:40to go to China,
34:41they said no,
34:42no, no.
34:43But the thing is,
34:44that now,
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