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00:00Just a thought that I have seen that the basic approach, the very base of how a woman is
00:18looking at the world as well as I have come near to a woman's mind and I have tried to
00:24understand, is that they think through a lens that I cannot even fathom and that obviously
00:30has the kid in the centre, they are always thinking about a family.
00:37In fact, when I look at societies or when I look at colonies, when I go to a mall or anywhere,
00:47I find that every kind of infrastructure that has been laid in the name of civilization
00:57has been laid keeping the family in the centre.
01:02And family basically means that you are simple nature's game of, because ultimately what we
01:10are, we are products of nature.
01:12And everywhere when I look at nature, the only two things are getting that save the body
01:17and propagate the body.
01:19Genes are being saved, genes are being propagated.
01:22So I always find that the basic thing that civilization is doing is that they are saving
01:26the human body and they are propagating it.
01:29Here what I find is that because the woman's role is that they are the ones who are creating
01:35that body inside.
01:37Whereas man has the free will of impregating maybe two or three women.
01:45It doesn't have any kind of liability or collateral liability just after the act.
01:54So I have observed that for a woman, the family, the kid is very important.
02:02This woman that you are talking of, is she a function merely of her body or also of the school she
02:13studied in, the college and university she went to, the belief system she inherited from her
02:23grandfather and mother, the kind of things she saw in the movies and the serials.
02:31Is she a function merely of her body or also of these things?
02:35But these things are also a genesis.
02:37They are coming from somewhere, the university or the belief system.
02:41They are not really coming from the woman herself, they are coming from the collective ignorance
02:45of mankind.
02:46And the ignorance might have started from the biology itself.
02:51That's true.
02:52That's true.
02:53Yeah.
02:54The ignorance starts from the body itself, right?
02:57And the ignorance is therefore on both the sides.
03:01Acharya Ji, Marxist feminists say, it's a very cliche statement that sex is created, sex
03:11is born, but gender is created.
03:14So the probing, fundamental probing is, in the process of gendering, sex is assigned to
03:20you when you are born by the doctor, seeing the chromosome that you carry and your genitals.
03:27But the gender that is assigned to you and the process of gendering is indeed very complicated.
03:32Fully agree.
03:33That's why the female gender in let's say India, will be very different from a person
03:43of the same gender in a first world country.
03:48But physically, they will be absolutely alike.
03:51Two kinds of bodies are born and so what forces decide which body is going to become so called
04:00man and which body is going to become a woman.
04:02In this sense, the LGBTQ discourse is very revolutionary because they have proven that a female body
04:11can also be a man, that you can have genitals, I mean, you can have a vagina and be a man.
04:18So this is a revolution, which is really trying to deconstruct the process of gendering, agar,
04:26if you are a male, you have to be a man only.
04:29So my argument that I would, my basic argument is that when it comes to, I totally agree with
04:40the fact that a woman is born but gendering is something that is a, yeah.
04:48My argument here as far as my observation or my conviction stands is that the biology has
04:57a very vital function in the basic approach of how they perceive the world.
05:02And that has the kid in the centre.
05:05That is one of the most core values of their existence because logically speaking, just my
05:10own logic if I may, that nature, we are a part of nature.
05:18Not from the fact that spirituality enables us to go beyond nature, but we are a part of
05:24nature.
05:25What are our basic function?
05:27Okay, we have the civilization, we are earning, we are, but ultimately is propagating the body.
05:33So if the basic function of our existence as human beings or as any kind of creature in
05:41the animal kingdom is save your body and propagate the body, then the basic approach propagates
05:49from that objective and that objective in itself, when looked at from a woman's perspective,
05:57it is that they have to think about the kid.
06:01They have that, the intensity with which they value that objective that may change a woman
06:13in America, they might, she, she might not think about the kid or might not favor so much,
06:20but the fact that they have that value system of thinking about the kid itself.
06:28I think that very value system, that very value or that very outlook is something that is missing
06:35in man.
06:36No, it's not missing in man, it's relatively smaller in man, but all that you are saying
06:44is applicable only as long as we take ourselves as physical beings, as, as you said, parts of
06:54the animal kingdom, driven purely by our physical desires.
07:00If we are driven purely by that, then obviously we live to just eat and reproduce.
07:06But that's not where we stand as human beings.
07:10I would agree that even in a well-educated and spiritually liberated woman, the, the desire for a kid would
07:26be probably relatively larger compared to that in a man, but I don't suppose that kind of a difference
07:41is a problem because ultimately the earth does need kids.
07:50And I am saying this with all consideration, we are talking of responsible reproduction.
07:56We are not talking of zero reproduction.
08:00So we are not wanting a state where the woman becomes an absolutely zero woman with no desire
08:13at all to be a kid, that's not the objective, is that, that's not the objective.
08:20What we want to talk of is whether the compulsive desire or passion to keep the kid in the family
08:31at the center of her life is necessary, right?
08:37If the kid is just one of things in her life, what's the problem?
08:45Nobody would say in his right senses that we want a situation where the fertility rates drop
08:50to absolute zero.
08:53That's nobody's objective.
08:55We started with, we started with the question, not being upfront, but it's not about just women in the society,
09:07generally in the urban society, when nobody is upfront, they, they talk in terms of like hints, symbols,
09:16like in corporates, in like, like, for example, if somebody handicapped, we don't say handicapped,
09:23we say some, some nice, and like we hide that, like the facts, like truth.
09:31See, that's when these things are absent in your life, fearlessness, love, truth.
09:40When the relationship has a lot of love, then you're not afraid to be blunt, because you
09:46know the other one would understand.
09:48You also know that the other one would not be hurt.
09:50You also know that being straight and blunt and direct deepens love.
09:56So you're not going to hesitate then.
09:58Equally, when you value truth a lot, then you do not want to deal in symbols and indirect
10:09kind of diplomatic behavior.
10:14But when the most important values are missing and there's a lot of fear and there is a chronic
10:25need for security, then you don't open up.
10:33So when that is happening, you probably need to look at the entire ecosystem rather than
10:42one single gender.
10:45Why is there so much of fear in the environment?
10:49And also, mind you, when there is fear, it would be affecting not only one gender, but
10:56the entire population.
10:59In one gender, it's more readily visible, more readily visible to the other gender.
11:07Because the other gender does not behave in that way.
11:10So they can spot it out or, you know, she is being just too roundabout.
11:17But the same kind of fear in the ecosystem is troubling men as well.
11:21Won't it be pertinent to see how even men have to cater to their own insecurities and
11:33their own stereotypes and their own false beliefs?
11:38Because if women have been trained to live and behave and be in a certain way, equally men
11:46have been trained to live and believe and be in a certain way.
11:50At this point, I'll present a certain thing to you all.
11:59You see, there are what we call as womanly values, right?
12:03You can identify a woman with those values.
12:09Another human being giving value to this, this and this, and you will be easily able to say
12:15this person is a woman, with almost 95% accuracy.
12:22Another human being giving value to this, this, this thing, for example, somebody giving value
12:28to what do women give value to typically, what would you say, yes, children and the nest and clothes, emotionality.
12:46So these you could call as the female values for want of a better word.
12:53I know it's a generalization, but because it's a general thing, so generalization here is
12:59not very useless.
13:02And then there are a set of what we can call as the manly values, right?
13:09What do you call as the manly values?
13:13Achievement.
13:14Chivalry, achievement, ambition, aggression.
13:21What we probably need to consider is whether there is a third set of values superior to
13:29both these sets.
13:31No point declaring one set higher than the other.
13:39If we indeed are caged consciousnesses, yearning for freedom, then neither the womanly values
13:53nor the manly ones take us to our liberation, do they?
14:00One is emotional, one is logical, neither of them necessarily give to you what you want.
14:08If I am the suffering consciousness, logic does not take me to liberation, nor do my emotions.
14:17Because they all arise fundamentally from the same centre of bondage.
14:23That which is arising from your bondage cannot lead you to liberation.
14:27So she is emotional, he is logical, right?
14:34She cares more for the nest, he cares more for ambition.
14:40Neither her nest will bring her deliverance, nor would his ambition bring him freedom, right?
14:53So is it men versus women or is it so that both men and women are equal partners in their slavery?
15:05It is just that either side calls its own slavery as better than that of the other side.
15:13I am enslaved, you are enslaved, but because I am enslaved, I call my slavery better than
15:22your slavery.
15:25Had this been an all women gathering, I am sure they would have had much the same things to
15:33say about men, save in the sense of opposite.
15:39Opposite things in the same tenor.
15:42Why are men like this?
15:44Why are men so ugly?
15:46Why can't men understand subtle things?
15:50Why do they have to be so gross?
15:52What's convoluted to us, what's convoluted and dishonest to us may be subtle and mysterious and beautiful to them.
15:59Aesthetically nice, do you really have to punch in somebody's face to communicate?
16:04That's how they say, they say the way men talk to each other is like punching each other in face.
16:11Very gross.
16:12It's very gross.
16:14What we are calling as convoluted and roundabout is in their language, subtle and aesthetically
16:23beautiful, which is not true, I agree, that's not the case to anybody.
16:34Just as your manly stuff is a great thing only to you, similarly, their womanly stuff is a
16:42great thing only in their own value system, it's not an absolute virtue.
16:55There has to be a third set that both men and women have to be educated into, indoctrinated
17:06into.
17:09If you turn the man into more of a man, then he is just an alpha gorilla.
17:16If you turn the woman into more of a woman, then she is just the mate of the alpha gorilla.
17:28I don't know how it sounds, but from where I see it, the man has to be de-manned.
17:42The woman has to be de-womanized.
17:50I am not talking of your masculation, don't get me wrong.
17:54I am not talking of neutering and stuff.
17:59The man has to be liberated of the social and biological values that give him the persona
18:09of the man.
18:11Equally the woman has to be liberated of the biology and the history that turns her into
18:17the kind of woman that we see on the road, de-gendering has to happen and equally a love and appreciation
18:28for the right values, right and gender independent values has to be fostered in both the boy and
18:35the girl, the man and the woman.
18:40Truth is beautiful.
18:42The woman is not beautiful.
18:43The man is not beautiful either.
18:45Truth is beautiful.
18:47I have a thing for truth.
18:52Compassion is wonderful.
18:59She is gorgeous, he is handsome, none of that is a patch on compassion.
19:07The compassionate one stands heads and shoulders above the gorgeous one or the handsome hunk.
19:17So these values have to be there, I can see you restless, but the thing is if in this society
19:27you are seeing a lot of distorted women, the law of duality dictates that there would be
19:36an equal amount of distortion in the men as well.
19:40Because both are products of the same ecosystem.
19:43You cannot just say, oh the women are distorted.
19:46The women might be distorted and I concur that a lot of women are indeed distorted, but an
19:52equal kind of distortion would then there be necessarily present in the men folk as well.
19:59Both the genders have their own set of problems.
20:02And hence, unless both are taken care of, neither can be taken care of.
20:12Men's liberation just cannot happen without women's liberation.
20:17Chhataji, in light of what you just said, slight small digression but I am sure it will add value
20:24to the discussion.
20:25Would you want to comment on this Indic symbol Ardhanarishwar?
20:30It seems that it is a mixture of both the genders.
20:35It is not a mixture and that pertains to something totally different.
20:40The way you see the Ardhanarishwar image, to me that is a distortion.
20:50Everything that exists in the language of Sankhya Darshan is Prakrti which has been taken as feminine.
21:03So, the entire body is female.
21:06Body means everything that exists, everything that is bodily.
21:10So, the body itself is female.
21:13The world, the universe itself is female because it exists.
21:17That is how the thing has been connoted in the philosophy.
21:22And everything that exists has at its heart something that is non-existent in the sense of being formless.
21:33Formless, nameless.
21:35So, there is Shakti, the female which is bodily and at the heart of Shakti is Shiva.
21:44That is the right depiction of Ardhanarishwar.
21:46We see something else.
21:47Now, what is shown normally, I beg to say with all due consideration is a caricature.
21:58You take 50% women and 50% men and rivet them together.
22:03That is not Ardhanarishwar.
22:05This kind of symbolism is coming from people who just don't understand what that great word means.
22:12Shiva and Shakti are not two halves glued to each other.
22:22Shiva is the heart of Shakti.
22:25Shakti is not one half of Shiva.
22:29All that exists is Shakti herself, the feminine.
22:33The entire existence is feminine.
22:37At the heart of that feminine existence is Shiva.
22:41And Shakti includes both man and woman.
22:44All that exists.
22:46All that exists.
22:47Man, women, the road, the concrete, the third gender, the fourth gender, the fifth gender.
22:56All that is feminine.
22:58Everything is feminine.
23:00Why they called it feminine?
23:02Because, I mean, it's again got distorted into like women are Prakriti is women.
23:07It's like this.
23:08It's like this.
23:09You'll have to understand it almost graphically.
23:17Because Acharya Ji, those who charge Hinduism of sexism, they take, I mean, these two words, Purush.
23:23First mistake they do is they equate Purush with man.
23:27And then they say that why did these things…
23:30No, Purush is not man.
23:32Purush is consciousness.
23:34Pur is a fault.
23:39Pur.
23:40The same word is also used for man.
23:42It's used for man.
23:43It's a coincidence.
23:44It's a coincidence.
23:46Right?
23:47Knowledgeable people do not hide behind coincidences.
23:51In all languages of the world, we have words that have two or three meanings in two or three
23:58different contexts.
23:59Right?
24:00D-E-A-R.
24:02You know of the number of meanings it holds.
24:06My dear, dear is very dear.
24:10Now, it would be quite in fact, malignant of me to pick up one meaning of the word and impose
24:24it on the other one, which is then totally unrelated thing in a different context.
24:32So, Purush is consciousness.
24:37Purush does not mean man or male, no.
24:42Pur means fort.
24:44Purush is the resident of the fort.
24:47The fort is the world in general or the body in particular.
24:52This is the fort.
24:54In this fort lives the Purush.
24:57Now, the body of the male is a fort and equally the body of the female is also a fort.
25:06Purush lives both within the male and the female.
25:13Right?
25:15So, in social language, you have the physical male and the physical female.
25:28who is obviously a female.
25:29And the only male is a clean or liberated consciousness.
25:35That is the only male.
25:36That is the only male.
25:37That is the only Purush.
25:38Everybody else is female.
25:40Everybody else is female.
25:41So, men are females with the body of the body of the body of the body of the body of the body.
25:42So, men are females with male resources.
25:43They are obviously a female.
25:44And the only male is a clean or liberated consciousness.
25:49That is the only male.
25:51That is the only Purush.
25:53Everybody else is female.
25:55That is the only Purush, everybody else is female.
26:00So men are females with male genitals, women are females with female genitals.
26:22But everybody is, in the spiritual sense, a female.
26:30But why do you want to get confused, bringing in the male, female and then you do not know
26:36who is a male, who is a female and get totally confused and end up entering the wrong washroom
26:42and get beaten up, so keep that aside.