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00:00Yeah, there was a lot that was head-scratching, to say the least.
00:03And the one for me was the one you're describing where Steph gets a tech
00:07and Brooks gets a tech.
00:08And I thought that that was a classic double tech.
00:10And like it or not, Steph Curry, I mean, it was a taunt.
00:13It was kind of a weird taunt because he was on his back,
00:16but he clearly, like, gestured at Brooks and said something that, whatever.
00:20I mean, I'm not saying that it was the most aggressive taunt of all time.
00:24I saw it, and I thought in real time, that's going to be a double tech,
00:28which is weird because it's a villain, Dylan the Villain,
00:31and the babyface assassin.
00:32Versus Steph Curry.
00:34I'm like, how are we putting these two guys in the same sentence?
00:36You know, Draymond Green catches a Dre, as we now call it.
00:39Not a stray, he caught a Dre.
00:41And it's like, oh, of course.
00:43I mean, Draymond was in the building, so he gets one too.
00:46Yeah, I would love that.
00:48One of these where Draymond's like over there on the exercise bike or something.
00:51They're like, oh, by the way, we've also assessed a Category 2 technical foul
00:56on Draymond Green because he's over there breathing.
00:58So he gets one too.
01:00Yeah, Grady, what do you got?
01:01I'm not sure if this makes it enough for Steph to get the tech,
01:04but it also was a buildup from the play before because there was the review.
01:08It initially was called a foul, not a foul on Dylan Brooks,
01:12and they reviewed it and called it a foul.
01:14And as Steve Kerr began to signal to review it,
01:17Steph walks past Dylan Brooks as the two are heading to the benches
01:20and points straight at him and kind of like hits his shoulder as he walks by.
01:25So there was some buildup there.
01:27And then the next thing happened, and then Steph holds up two fingers to Dylan Brooks,
01:31probably says something like, hey, you got me twice now or something.
01:34Whatever.
01:34Call for a taunt.
01:35Listen, listen.
01:36All I can do in this situation is go, does that count as taunting?
01:42Sure, I guess.
01:43My problem is I've watched literally, I got playoff basketball coming out of my ears
01:50the last three weeks.
01:51And if that's taunting, then says everything.
01:56Are you watching these guys?
01:58Oh, yeah.
01:59They are in each other's shorts on every play.
02:02They are screaming the most unsavory crap you could possibly imagine
02:06right in each other's noses after every single play.
02:11And we're teeing up Steph Curry because he held up a couple fingers?
02:16Two of them, Mark.
02:19At the same time.
02:20Right.
02:21I just, that's all.
02:22That's all.
02:23I just want things to match.
02:24I don't care that it was Steph.
02:26It's not about that.
02:27It's just like I'm trying to understand.
02:30I just want to understand.
02:33That's it.
02:34I just want to understand.
02:36And I don't, I don't, I don't understand.
02:39I don't understand how that stood out to the refs.
02:41Oh, that's the problem.
02:44Jimmy Butler can sit there on the free throw line and call Dylan a bum, a B.
02:50Yeah.
02:50Oh, yeah.
02:51He can do all that.
02:51Well, that's just conversation.
02:53No one's worried about it.
02:53That's not taunting.
02:54No, those are grown folks exchanging ideas.
02:56That's not inciting anything.
02:58That's a conversation.
02:59But if Steph Curry, who's laying on his back, holds up two fingers at Dylan Brooks, now we
03:05got a problem.
03:05We're inciting a riot.
03:07Right.
03:07Because Dylan Brooks responded to that taunt.
03:10That's Dylan's problem.
03:11Well, in the moment, it turned out to be Steph's problem as well.
03:13I mean.
03:14And the other weird one, and you talked about this in the postgame, Granny, and I heard
03:17at least an hour of it as I was making my way back to the East Bay.
03:23The Steve Kerr delay a game, and we'll ask him about that because, you know, they wanted
03:27a challenge, and then they waited too long, and so now he does the twirly, twirly finger,
03:31and it's like, no, that's too long, no challenge, and delay a game, and it's their second infraction.
03:38Technical foul.
03:39That's a T.
03:40So, it's something that, you know, yeah.
03:42I didn't understand any of them.
03:44That one, I kind of understood, because I was watching it from up above.
03:47I'm like, that must have been delay a game.
03:48Well, I mean, I get it.
03:49I understand what they're saying.
03:52We haven't even gotten to the one that I found the most confusing of all.
03:54Well, like, Tari Eason tackles Jimmy Butler.
03:58They go to review, and they come out, and they're like, foul on Steph.
04:01I'm like, he's six feet.
04:02He's not even there.
04:03What do we do?
04:04I just, that's all.
04:05When was that?
04:05Because I don't know.
04:07The whole thing's a blur.
04:09What about the Draymond flagrant Tari Eason tech to keep Draymond in the game?
04:13Well, that one, I thought, that was the one where I'm like, ooh, Warriors caught a break
04:17there.
04:18I can't tell.
04:19I'm sitting there with Christy.
04:20I'm like, ooh, I think they're going to throw him out.
04:22If Draymond didn't already have a tech, it's 100% a double tech.
04:25It's a tech.
04:26Absolutely.
04:27I agree with you.
04:27I see it differently.
04:28I thought they got creative.
04:30I thought they went over there, and somebody whispered in somebody's ear, we probably shouldn't
04:35throw Draymond.
04:36What does you see, Dibs?
04:37I think when you look at it, the infraction initially is Draymond fouls.
04:42Draymond gets picked, and he dives in, and he fouls.
04:45But then, he does the classic Draymond green, spill into a guy, and press your feet into
04:50his face, and drive him into the floor.
04:53That's not a technical, that's a flagrant.
04:55So for me, when I saw all that, all that activity, I thought, you know what?
04:59I can see it.
05:00I can see it either way.
05:01That's so interesting, because it's sort of after the play.
05:04You're no longer within the act of the basketball play.
05:07Which makes it excessive.
05:08But no, it makes it a technical.
05:10What would be interesting, because I see it as very much Sabonis, and Steven Adams, and
05:18LeBron, and all of those things.
05:19I see it as those things.
05:20Were those things called flagrant fouls, or were those things called technical fouls?
05:24I'll have to look up the Sabonis one.
05:26To me, those were technical fouls, and ejections at times.
05:32So, I thought they got creative there, and found a way to keep Draymond in the game.
05:38And so that's why I'm not like, I'm not.
05:40The Draymond stomping was a flagrant, too.
05:43Okay.
05:43So.
05:44That's the Sabonis one?
05:45Correct.
05:45Right?
05:46Where he, you know, Sabonis is down, he steps on him, and he kind of pauses, and he does
05:50like a little twist, and he goes, ah!
05:52I'm on you!
05:53I'm off you!
05:54I jumped off you!
05:55You're my trampoline!
05:56How about a Nurkic and a Gobert?
05:58Let's not forget all those.
05:59A Gobert was definitely a flagrant, because that was after, that was like, after a play.
06:05He just straight up choked a guy.
06:06So, that was a flagrant, or a technical?
06:08I believe it was a flagrant.
06:10I'm just Googling.
06:11Yes, I don't.
06:12So, I started with green stomps, Sabonis.
06:14It was probably all of them.
06:15Now, we'll go with green chokes.
06:18Oh, it comes right up.
06:19It's funny, because green chokes cur is on there.
06:22By the way, Rudy Gobert, on tap potentially for round two.
06:26Oh, I know.
06:27Rudy Gobert.
06:28Yep.
06:28Every series has somebody who wants to get after Draymond Green.
06:32Every series.
06:34And he'll be there.
06:35Yeah.
06:35The Gobert one was a flagrant, too.
06:39And just looking at it.
06:40No technical?
06:41No technical.
06:41Okay.
06:42The score was 0-0.
06:45We were scoreless, and we were 90 seconds in.
06:49That was a hockey fight.
06:50And Clay Thompson gets tangled up with Jaden McDaniels, and then Draymond comes in for the
06:55flagrant, too.
06:56You know how there's some of those hockey fights where the guys, it's already predetermined.
07:00Oh, we're going to drop the clubs.
07:01So, the second they drop the puck, they're just whack.
07:03Two guys are going at each other.
07:05And, yeah, that's what happened in that one with Gobert.
07:08Oh.
07:09And if you Google green hits, there's a few of them that come up there, too.
07:13Nerkich?
07:14Yeah.
07:14Can we get a Nerkich in there?
07:15Yeah.
07:15Look, maybe.
07:16Anyway.
07:16I don't know.
07:18I'm not.
07:18These are mostly flagrants.
07:19I'm not a rule book guy, so maybe you're right on that one.
07:24I tended to think that things that happen sort of after the whistle is blown as technical
07:30fouls.
07:31Those are technical fouls.
07:32You're not a foul.
07:33You're not even playing basketball anymore.
07:34Right.
07:35You're just two guys laying on the ground, and one of them started to beatbox the other
07:39one in the head with his feet.
07:41That's not a.
07:42But whatever.
07:43I don't know the rule.
07:44Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:44I don't know.
07:44I thought it was less like he actively put his, like, forced his legs into Targison's
07:52head, and more so they were resting there, and he made no effort to remove them.
07:56It wasn't like there was a lot of force behind him.
07:58You are my ottoman.
08:00Listen to these conversations.
08:01I love this.
08:02I thought that he used his shoelaces to strangle the guy.
08:07I mean, whatever we're saying here is not good.
08:09It's not good.
08:10The way Granny just described it is hilarious.
08:12I thought that he was just resting there.
08:15Like, I fouled you, and I'm tired.
08:18It's been a long series.
08:19I'm going to go ahead and just keep my feet on your head.
08:21If it was game one, I would levitate.
08:24But it's exhausting.
08:25Shout out to Alipa.
08:26Yeah.
08:28Okay.
08:29All right.
08:29888-957-9.
08:30Anyway, I found it to be more flagrant than attack.
08:34And it was, and you're right.
08:36And that's good.
08:37And it kept Draymond in the game.
08:39It kept, I really, in that moment, I was ready for them to come out and throw them out of the game.
08:44Yeah.
08:44I thought it was possible.
08:46And when they said flagrant, I'm like, oh, look at the, look at you, evil geniuses.
08:51Look at how you maneuvered your way through that one.
08:54So, anyway.
08:56But now we do have to monitor the flagrant standings and the technical foul count for Draymond and for Steph, apparently.
09:03Wow, what's the situation?
09:04Well, you get to, I think, five points of flagrance and you get suspended for a game.
09:09Okay.
09:09Which is why he got suspended in the NBA Finals when he punched LeBron in the Nards.
09:14It's because he had already accumulated points.
09:16He body slammed Beasley.
09:18He flail kicked Steven Adams.
09:20And by the time he came to where he popped LeBron in the family jewels, it was an accumulation sensation, which is why he missed a game.
09:28This is like a driving record.
09:32Totally.
09:32I'm sorry, accumulated too many points, your insurance is going up.
09:35Before you go to the phones, this isn't about the flagrant, but about the tech that he picked up for his part in the Steph and Dylan Brooks scrum.
09:44Here is what Draymond Green said about the tech.
09:46Yeah, I got a technical tonight and that was guys way more aggressive than me.
09:50So, yeah, that's crazy.
09:52I mean, I don't disagree with him on that one.
09:56I don't either.
09:56If you want to talk about the flagrant on Tari Eason, look, there's no real way.
10:03Whatever the hell happened, and I love when we get into who started it, who cares?
10:07It's not third grade.
10:08Draymond was definitely over the line on that exchange.
10:12Whether he did this, that, or the other with his feet, he's grabbing the guy's shorts, he's grabbing a jersey.
10:18It's another Draymond tangle-up.
10:20And I was terrified of it because it was happening after there was already a technical foul.
10:24And I'm yelling at the screen like, dude, you're going to get yourself knocked out of the game.
10:28Like, stop.
10:29The first one, yeah, that's just, that's a reputation tech.
10:34Like, that's a reputation technical foul.
10:37Yep.
10:37And I personally didn't like Steph getting a technical.
10:40I didn't even think Brooks needed to get one.
10:43But I.
10:43For sure he needed to get one.
10:45Well, but I thought that he was the aggressor of the whole situation physically.
10:51Steph, I guess, was the aggressor mentally.
10:54And if you want to assess for that, go ahead.
10:58But I just find it very funny in watching these NBA playoffs that you're going to find it in your heart
11:04to give someone a tech for taunting.
11:07Yep.
11:07You're being mean.
11:09Well.
11:09These guys are completely out of the area code on every play, every series.
11:18It's totally out of control.
11:20And we're going to get Steph for holding up fingers?
11:24That felt a little odd to me.
11:27Yeah.
11:27I get it.
11:28I mean, I can see it.
11:29And for the flagrant fouls, it's four points.
11:32And you get suspended.
11:35What's he at?
11:36I think he's only at one.
11:37That was his first flagrant, right?
11:38But it's his second technical, right?
11:40Right.
11:41Techs are different.
11:42There's the technical foul table.
11:43And then there's the flagrant foul table.
11:46And if you get four flagrant points, which would be four flagrant ones,
11:50or flagrant twos are worth two points.
11:53It's all a thing, Mark.
11:55And I hate that we have to know this, but we have to know this.
11:58Is he going to win the Kia flagrant player of the year award?
12:02When is that being announced?
12:03Brought to you by right guard.
12:04Yeah.
12:05I believe.
12:05I would think that he would.
12:07All right.
12:07Let's get back to the phones.
12:08People want to chat it up.
12:11Mo in Hayward.
12:13Hey, Mo.
12:13What's going on?
12:14Mo.
12:15What's up?
12:16What's up, fellas?
12:17What's up, man?
12:18So, listen.
12:19I'm going to try to be quick.
12:20You touched on a lot of things after the fact that I want to get into, too.
12:25First of all, let's go back to the coaching.
12:27I called up a couple weeks ago and talked about Kaminga and talked about him being, you
12:32know, Steve Kerr liking smart players, being on the floor.
12:36And to speak on Jimmy, Jimmy is a glue guy that is also a dog that is also smart.
12:45So, this is why he fits so well in the system and a lot of reasons why Kaminga doesn't.
12:51Okay?
12:52Where I would have liked to see Kaminga being used is when Shang-Goon got those first two
12:56fouls, hit him in as a blunt instrument and say, go pick up that third foul.
13:01Go at his head.
13:02You know what I'm saying?
13:03Because it's like he – it was a way that we could have got him off the floor.
13:07You know what I mean?
13:07Because he was killing us at a particular point in time.
13:10But as far as the coaching is concerned, the chess match between Udoka and Kurt, man,
13:15Udoka should be getting tired of getting spanked, bro.
13:18We did it to him in Boston.
13:19We're doing it to him now.
13:21And it's becoming sad at this point.
13:24You know what I mean?
13:25What I did like as far as – what I like about the whole playoffs at this point in time,
13:30especially with this series, is they're letting the guys play.
13:33You know what I mean?
13:34I didn't understand the little shrum that we had last night on several occasions.
13:38But the Dylan Brooks situation with Steph, if you would have saw earlier in the game,
13:43Dylan – when Dylan picked up his first foul, it was against Steph.
13:46And he held up the one finger.
13:49Right?
13:50And he held it up in Steph's face and said, that's the first one.
13:52Right.
13:53So when Steph got – when Steph got him on a second time, that's when he threw the two up.
13:57Now, you can say it was taunting, but it's an inside game within the game.
14:01You know what I mean?
14:02And the refs didn't understand that.
14:03Or, I mean, it wasn't a thing where they needed to understand or not understand.
14:06They didn't call that.
14:07You know what I mean?
14:07They called the reaction to it.
14:09You know what I mean?
14:10So I just think the guys and the fellas, man, they're grinding.
14:14They're doing what's necessary to get done, to get past these guys.
14:17And I'm just proud of how they come together.
14:19I want to see more of the Buddy and Jimmy show because it's fucking hilarious.
14:25I mean –
14:25Oh, okay.
14:26Thanks, Mo.
14:27Appreciate that.
14:28It was a good run, Mo.
14:29While it lasted.
14:30Yeah.
14:31Yeah.
14:31Felt a little bit like –
14:32Close the book on Mo.
14:33Give him eight and a third.
14:34Kind of felt like Miami Heat run through the playoffs.
14:36Right.
14:36It was inspiring at first, came out of the play-in tournament, put up a good fight early,
14:42and then it fizzled and went away.
14:44Yeah.
14:44Can I hear it?
14:45Can I hear it?
14:46That never gets told.
14:48No, it doesn't.
14:49Anyway.
14:50Steph actually made a comment about that very thing, like, you know, where they always catch
14:56the second guy.
14:56I don't have the comment in front of me.
14:58Yeah.
14:58That's life.
14:58I mean, that happens a lot.
15:00You see that in football a lot.
15:01Oh, yeah.
15:02You know what I mean?
15:03Linemen getting into it and whoever is kind of reacting.
15:05Not the instigator, but whoever reacts is the one who gets caught.
15:10Again, whether he started it, whether he was second, I have watched so much happen in
15:17these playoffs that I have a hard time believing that we're going to spotlight, stop the game
15:21because two guys pointed at each other.
15:23I just – it's like, wow.
15:25That's what stood out to you?
15:27Okay.
15:28They're not wrong.
15:30I can't say they're wrong.
15:31I'm just like, that?
15:33That's what caught your eye in these playoffs?
15:36Two guys pointing at each other?
15:37It was more than that, but –
15:39How?
15:39Well, Dylan Brooks got up and took a swing at the basketball –
15:42Right.
15:43After he got pointed at with two fingers by Steph Curry.
15:46So then that's a Dylan Brooks problem.
15:48Well, whatever the problem is, we all want the refs to have control.
15:52And many people are saying they lost control of that game.
15:55And I don't think that that's a wrong assessment, and so the way you regain control of a game
16:00as a ref is by calling a lot of fouls and tamping down these sorts of incidents that may
16:07or may not be boiling up.
16:09I'm with you, but if the word we're all focused on is physicality, then let's keep the punishment
16:14on things that are physical.
16:16Yeah, that was physical.
16:18No, it wasn't.
16:18Dylan Brooks was.
16:19Yes, but Steph wasn't.
16:20But, I mean, in the referee's eyes, I mean, he was the one who instigated it through his nonverbal taunt.
16:28And, again, we can get into this, and you and I have had a big debate about, you know,
16:32how players shouldn't get technical fouls for expressing their feelings to referees in certain ways
16:38and in certain manners, and that's just the way it goes in the association.
16:43Let's go live to Mark Grandy with this Game 5 Warriors injury report.
16:49Yeah, the Warriors just submitted their injury report for tomorrow, and there's only one name on it.
16:53It is Jimmy Butler, and he is probable for tomorrow's game.
16:57So, better than he was yesterday.
16:59That's as good as you could have hoped that injury report to sound.
17:03That's perfect.
17:04One name on it, and better than questionable.
17:07That's a perfect injury report in this situation.
17:10Oh, yeah.
17:10Yep.
17:10That's awesome.
17:11Yeah.
17:11All right.
17:12How about Bleacher Dave in West Oakland?
17:17What's going on, Bleacher Dave?
17:19What'd it do, y'all?
17:21What's up?
17:21I'm glad you're not so shocked at me again.
17:23He's the legend.
17:24Come on, man.
17:25Bring it.
17:27Man, look.
17:28Last night's game and series overall, and I haven't been listening, so I don't know if
17:33y'all talked about this, and I saw this in a report.
17:36Shot clock?
17:38The refs didn't notice.
17:39The shot clock didn't work for the first five possessions?
17:42I think that's a sign of how poor some of the officiating was last night.
17:47This is news to us, Bleacher Dave.
17:48Yeah, I didn't notice it, Dave.
17:50You're saying the shot clock didn't work for the first five possessions?
17:54It took five possessions for the refs to notice the shot clock wasn't working.
17:58It wasn't on.
18:00And get it on.
18:01And that's, I think that's an example of how this thing got away from them.
18:04Look, those first two games in Houston were ridiculous.
18:09And so, you know, we like physical stuff.
18:12I like to see players getting after each other, but somebody, you know, I'm in Thompson, you
18:16know, taking the elbow at Jim's team when a ref turns his head, and just so much of
18:22the extra stuff, which I think goes beyond, you know, they're pushing and grabbing and
18:27holding Curry, who's not getting the calls.
18:29You can't expect that.
18:31Some of the other extracurricular stuff is ridiculous.
18:34Now, after they lost game three, I fully expected that Ndoka went to his team and said, look,
18:43they're not going to call fouls.
18:45Go out there and be dirty and rugged.
18:48And oh, by the way, if you can get, we can get one of our guys kicked out or one of their
18:54guys kicked out, i.e.
18:55Brooks and Draymond, that might be a good thing.
18:58And so while his team, I don't think, was as nasty as they were, when the refs called
19:03a tech on Curry and Draymond in that first scrum, that was a bad mistake, that they then
19:10had to rescue themselves from and not get Draymond kicked out, because nobody's here
19:15for the ump show.
19:16We do not want to see the umps talk, kicking players out.
19:19People are paying good money, including the league and the TV people, to see Draymond
19:23play.
19:24And so while nationally, people are like, ah, he should have kicked them out, nobody
19:27wants to see premier players kicked out of a playoff series.
19:30That's true.
19:31Bleacher Dave, thank you.
19:33You're absolutely right.
19:34Look, we all pick and choose which things grab our attention and anger us when it comes
19:41to what they're calling.
19:43Look, the physicality in these playoffs is not the fault of the refs.
19:48The physicality in these playoffs, I don't even know necessarily, I buy this idea that we
19:53hear everywhere with, oh, they're allowing more.
19:55I think they might be calling the game the way they always call it, but the players are
19:59doing a lot more.
20:01The players, like the intensity is up.
20:03Yeah.
20:03So they're playing, they're playing different.
20:05The refs aren't doing anything different.
20:07And maybe that's what people are noticing.
20:09It's like, we actually need you to do something different because the players are doing something
20:12different.
20:13And if you just kind of keep running the same exact way, that's going to lead to something
20:17different.
20:18I don't, I don't know where the exact line is.
20:21And again, all in all, I didn't have an issue with the refs through the game last night.
20:27I just, every time they went to review, they came out with what I thought was a very head
20:32scratching answer.
20:33An interesting answer.
20:34And Bleacher Dave just pointed something out that I don't believe any of us realized,
20:39including the three officials and every single person on the court.
20:43The opening four possessions, the shot clock did not move.
20:46You've confirmed this.
20:47I just looked at the video replay and on all four possessions, it's just at 24.
20:52Okay.
20:52But are the refs running that maybe manually then when that happens?
20:55Not usually, they would stop the game and they would make sure that the shot clock is
20:59actually working.
21:01Okay.
21:01They're not going to run the game.
21:02So the three refs didn't realize it.
21:04The people at the scores table didn't realize it.
21:07None of the coaches and you got 15 coaches on either side and 10 players on the floor.
21:11So everybody was so locked in.
21:14Bleacher Dave with a great, a great insight.
21:16I had no idea.
21:17Yeah, absolutely.
21:18Although it also means that they weren't, and the game was kind of fast early, so they
21:23weren't using the shot clock.
21:24No.
21:24Like they would have noticed if somebody had like had a 22 second possession, someone
21:29would have looked up at it, but never needed it.