Broadcasters Mike Parry and Benjamin Butterworth have descended into a fresh trans row on GB News, following actor David Tennant's latest swipe at controversial author JK Rowling.Tennant, 54, made fresh remarks about the transgender community and the Harry Potter author during an appearance on ITV1's new show The Assembly.FULL STORY HERE.
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00:00When you get stories, for example, a transgender person who's a rapist, I think it's a real shame that we try and set the boundaries and expectations of every other transgender person on the most obscene among them.
00:10We don't do that for ourselves, for other groups in society.
00:14And so I think that's a great point of frustration for the average person that happens to be transgender, that they're tarred with the brush of a rapist among them.
00:21The other thing I'd say is that I think one of the problems is the idea of self-ID, which Theresa May put forward, was this the way that you didn't have to have what basically is a two-year process to be legally recognised.
00:32And then you get the really complicated things where people who really don't look like the gender they identify as can go into those spaces.
00:39Whereas, you know, the gender recognition certificate, the thing that lets you legally change your sex, has been law for 21 years.
00:45So there are people that have had a full medical transition.
00:47You know, in many cases, they would look like the gender they identify as if, you know, if you didn't know that background.
00:53Very, very few men who identify as women have full medical transition.
00:58That is an even tinier percentage of the people that are identifying as women.
01:02Well, part of the reason is the very long waiting list to get the operation.
01:05People wait years and years to get the chance for that.
01:07But I do think if you're only defining things on biology, well, then you have a problem because there aren't only trans women, there are trans men.
01:14And those are people that could have, if they've had a transition, they will now have a penis.
01:19They will have had testosterone.
01:20They might have muscles and they might have a beard.
01:23And they now have to go in your loo.
01:26I mean, I don't think that's what anyone wants.
01:27And I tell you what, they look a lot more like an average bloke than the trans women do.
01:32So what stops, not that Mike would do it, obviously, but what stops Mike just saying he was a trans man if he wanted that situation?
01:38But once again, the Supreme Court ruling was absolutely clear.
01:43But once again, people coming from your side of the argument, I'm not criticising you for that, instead of accepting the ruling, first of all, throw up all the problems this is going to cause now.
01:53This ruling is going to cause dozens of problems.
01:55You know, the future now is going to be so uncertain.
01:58You couldn't just accept that the ruling now, and let's face it, it's a tiny percentage of people in this country who are transgender.
02:06And yet we have spent, you know, oodles of time, millions of hours, millions of days of debate on a situation which, fortunately, was finally sorted by the Supreme Court.
02:18And in my view, should have been done 30 years ago.
02:20But it wasn't sorted.
02:21I mean, first of all, where do you think...
02:22It was sorted.
02:22You see, once again, you can't accept it.
02:24Well, it wasn't sorted, because I've just given you an example.
02:26If you only go on biology, then a transgender man is a biological woman.
02:31They have a beard, they have a penis, and you now say they have to go in the women's toilets.
02:35No, we don't.
02:36Nobody says that.
02:37But that's what...
02:38If you say it's done on biology...
02:39No.
02:40...they are women.
02:41So where do they go?
02:42And one solution, which has been put up, and nobody's seriously debated it, is having a third...
02:47Hang on, answer the question.
02:48No, I am answering it.
02:50A third designation of toilet.
02:51You can have a man's toilet, you can have a woman's toilet.
02:53You can have transgender, or you can have toilets, like we've got here at GB News, which are completely insular, in that all the facilities are in one room, and people don't have to mix.