Penn Badgley on His Character Joe Being a Sexual Predator

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00:00So the key here is Joe is not caught, he's not caught in the box, he's caught in the bedroom.

00:07That's actually where he does his worst work, is his manipulation and seduction.

00:12The box is like kind of obvious.

00:13The box is actually where he'll put anybody, but he only puts women in the bedroom, you know what I mean?

00:17And so that's where his most dangerous work is.

00:20And it was important for him to be seen finally as a sexual predator, you know what I mean?

00:25Because we'd never, we'd purposefully, I mean, you know, writer's choice, and I think the right choice ultimately,

00:31in any way the choice that was made, I think if it had responsibility to it, it was that,

00:36it's like what, in order for us to see this man as a sexual predator, what do you need to see?

00:40You need to see him do it?

00:42Yeah.

00:42Is that what it's going to take?

00:43Because you know he's doing it.

00:44Right.

00:45You need to see it?

00:46You need to witness it?

00:46Like how graphic do you need us to be, you know, for us to understand what he really is?

00:53But so finally, he's the closest you've ever seen him to like crossing that threshold and really,

00:59really like in the act of sexual abuse, you know?

01:02And that's like, that's, that's real popular light fodder, apparently.

01:07But to your point, like I think the women, especially in the latter half of the season,

01:13grapple with what Joe deserves.

01:15There's like the vigilante versus carceral justice.

01:19What do you think is the ultimate punishment for Joe?

01:22And I know like the last episode kind of-

01:24I mean, losing his genitals maybe?

01:25Like no, yeah, no.

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