The fathers of Nottingham attack victims Barnaby Webber and Grace O'Malley-Kumar have condemned a new report into the triple-killing, claiming it holds "several failures" and "isn't worth the paper it is printed on".Students Barnaby Webber, Grace O'Malley-Kumar and caretaker Ian Coates were killed by Valdo Calocane in the 2023 attack.FULL STORY HERE.
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00:00The father of Grace O'Malley Kumar, Dr. Sanjay Kumar, and the father of Barnaby Webber, David Webber.
00:07You both visited Parliament earlier on. Gentlemen, welcome to the studio. Thank you.
00:11Can I first come to you, perhaps, Sanjay? Tell us about today and tell us what the next steps are on this inquiry.
00:17Well, today we, you know, we get what the Prime Minister promised us.
00:22We get to find the failures before we fix them.
00:25It's all about identifying the failures, and there have been several.
00:30This is one of them. This is the NHS report that had been supplied to us, the homicide report.
00:36Not worth the paper that it's been printed on. No names of psychiatrists who actually, you know, cocked up.
00:43And in terms of incompetent psychiatrists, they still haven't been identified.
00:47We would like to know, you know, Valda Calicane was sectioned four times.
00:51Was it four doctors who failed us four times, or was it one doctor who failed us that many times?
00:57So we'd like to know the detail. There is no detail. So today we are hoping we can get to detail.
01:02And David Webber, what does justice look like for you? Do you want people to be prosecuted?
01:08Do you want people to lose their jobs, to be jailed?
01:11Absolutely. I mean, I think if that is what is required, absolutely.
01:15I mean, Sandro has just said about incompetent psychiatrists, you know, I mean, how these people can release someone like Calicane back out, back to the GP when they know how dangerous he is.
01:29And it beggars belief in, you know, while that report is incompetent, and it is an incompetent report, I believe, I don't believe it's worth the paper it's written on.
01:37However, it does say stuff in there that when you actually read the context of how dangerous he was, it makes you, it begs the question, what goes on in people's heads?
01:48How do these people, I mean, how do they live for themselves if, you know, doing what they do?
01:53And, yeah, I think accountability has to happen. I think change will only happen with accountability.
01:59And the reason that we don't get change is because things like these reports, they never acted on.
02:06And we get two homicides for mental health patients every week almost, every week.
02:11That is a national disgrace.
02:13What we want to do as families is see that there are zero homicides for mental health patients, zero, and that they are fully avoidable.
02:22What we want to see, yes, if people have to lose their jobs and maybe we've made examples of, that is the only way we're going to change Britain.
02:28And it's the only way we're going to get our country to be one of the safest in Europe.
02:31And that's what we're after.
02:33We want England to be the safest country in Europe.
02:36There should be zero mental health homicides every year.
02:39And that is what we are after.
02:40We want accountability.
02:42Yeah.
02:43And I think, you know, if people need to go to prison because they've really cocked up, as Sandra said, then they need to go to prison.
02:51You know, and it's easier to lose your job and, you know, get sent to prison than it is to lose your life, unfortunately.
02:57Gentlemen, we so often see that somebody is thrown under the bus, somebody lower down the pecking order.
03:04If you believe this goes right to the top of institutions like the police forces, the mental health, the NHS trusts.
03:12Is that what you want?
03:13You want some proper accountability and some proper justice to be served so this can never be repeated again.
03:20We have never asked for anything more than the basic do your job.
03:26We have never asked for anything more.
03:28We don't want anything more than the normal public deserve.
03:31All we have asked for is did people do their jobs?
03:34And if they didn't do the basic jobs that they get paid for, then they shouldn't be in a job.
03:39That's all we've ever asked for.
03:41We do not want any special treatment.
03:43We just want to find the people who didn't do their jobs.
03:46Simple as that.
03:47And I think, you know, this, you know, Emma, my wife, Barney's mother, has said a thousand times, it's not a witch hunt.
03:57But people need to change.
03:59And if people, if you don't change these institutions and what they're doing and the practices they're employing, then this is just going to keep happening.
04:07And people like us are going to be created every week.
04:13And I can tell you now the pain and the suffering that we're going through on a regular basis because of this is horrendous.
04:20And it just needs to change.
04:21And I'm so pleased the statutory inquiry and it's statutory.
04:24That's the bit that we're really pleased about because that means people can't hide.
04:28Nothing can ever bring your children back.
04:30Nothing can ever do that.
04:32But the sense of loss, I'm detecting, and I speak with your wife, you know.
04:37And that sense of loss has been turned into a sense of purpose now.
04:40And you don't know how the kind of guys are going to take no for an answer.
04:44Absolutely not.
04:45We want every stone unturned because at the end of the day, our beautiful daughter and son are not going to come back.
04:54But I'll tell you what we can do.
04:55We can leave our country safer in their names.
04:57And that's really what we want.