West Bengal Governor CV Ananda Bose on Friday launched a scathing attack on Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee over the violence during anti-Waqf Act protests in the state. He alleged there was a "cancerous growth of violence" in the state.
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00:00Governor versus Momota over Muschidabad Governor cancerous violence growth in West Bengal
00:10you know two things which I consider as cancerous growth in the body political
00:16Bengal is violence and corruption didi objects but governor heads to riot hit area cops say
00:28mastermind Inzamul arrested NCW NHRC teams visit right hit areas Bengal what violence top focus on
00:41five life so initially outsiders were blamed for the violence in Murshidabad now in the mammal
00:52hak is what we're being told has been arrested by the police now you have the governor who's
00:58visiting Malda in Murshidabad you have a team of the National Human Rights Commission they are
01:02visiting a National Women's Commission their team is visiting Malda in Murshidabad they're talking to
01:07the violence hit victims in a lot of places and this is where the Trinamul Congress has hit right
01:16back at the BJP saying why is it that all central teams are heading only towards Bengal and that
01:23big battle is our top focus on five life I'm Gaurav Savant let's get started with the headlines at five
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03:11a team of the National Commission for women headed by its chairperson is currently in Bengal and as a
03:41soon as soon as they reach they went straight to Malda they are at a camp in North 24 Parganas interacting with women at a relief camp
03:51these people are still so scared that they are either unwilling or unable to get back to their homes a large number of homes have also been destroyed devastated or damaged in the riots that took place the NCW team is at a relief camp in Malda the NCW has also revealed the
04:11huge arrangements that have been reviewed arrangements that have been made at the shelter for the victims of India India today's Indrajit Kundu now joins me with the latest on the story Indrajit
04:23Indrajit so you have a team of the National Human Rights Commission you have a team of the National Commission for women and you have the governor himself visiting Malda and
04:33Murshidabad and Murshidabad and Murshidabad but for starters give us details of the NCW team that's interacting with the victims at the relief camp
04:45well that's right three high profile visits to the strife torn area in in the Malda Murshidabad belt of course the incident has taken place in Murshidabad
04:55however some of the victims did flee their homes in Murshidabad and crossed over to the neighboring district of Malda and that's where they have taken shelter at a shelter home in Boishnob Nogor
05:07now early in the morning there was an NHRC team which met the victims there at the shelter home and interacted and gathered the information
05:16now what we do see of course is that the National Commission of Women team is a three member team including the chairperson they have reached the Boishnob Nogor camp they're interacting with the women there it's important because there are a lot of women and children and infants there who had to take shelter and the West Bengal government of course has told us in fact the police did a press conference and told us that there were efforts to bring the and rehabilitate these families back to their homes some of them have been
05:46they have already returned but not all because a lot of them have also lost their homes so they don't have any other place to go so therefore they're seeking relief at the shelter at the relief camp the government of course is providing them food and shelter there is a medical camp that has also been opened right now and police protection has been provided but the NCW team that has reached there they will of course be speaking to these women and trying to understand what their complaints are in what circumstances they were
06:16are forced out of their house and whether they are getting proper arrangements right now so help me understand this initially the Bengal government and voices that emerged from the Trinbull seem to indicate that the violence the arson the vandalism in the murder was the handiwork of outsiders there were indications that this was done by Bangladeshis who were facilitated by the border security force and central agencies to cross over into India carry out the targeted killings and go back
07:16on paper right now and it's on record there are more than 300 people that have been arrested
07:21from Murshidabad with regard to various cases between 8th and 11th of April various cases of
07:29violence there are three people who have now been arrested specifically with regard to the killing
07:36of Harugobindu and Chandan Das the father son Dio who died on 12th of April who were killed on 12th
07:44of April and you know as far as the police is concerned they are probing various angles but
07:50they have you know most of these arrests that have been made we are told have have been made from in
07:56and around that entire locality so police is tight lipped about the major majority of the rest 300
08:02odd arrests that have been made due to rioting but the specific three in you know persons who have
08:07been arrested for the murder of two people they are all locals they are all from Murshidabad but
08:13they were all arrested from either birbhoom because they can easily sneak into birbhoom or
08:17towards charkhand uh because of the border uh a bordering area in shamshirganj and okay keep
08:25tracking that story i will come back to you for more uh it's not just the team of the nhrc or the
08:29national commissioner for women even the governor of west bengal uh he's in malda right now the governor
08:36made his visit despite a plea or a request by the chief minister not to visit this place right now
08:43but cv anand the boss is reported to have said i will go down on ground assess the situation myself
08:49and then uh submit a report we get you more about his visit to the ground why the chief minister did
08:56not want it now and his logic especially about the cancer of corruption and violence that's hitting the
09:04body politic of the state the political showdown over murshidabad communal violence is escalating
09:19bengal governor cv ananda boss on friday met right victims going against the coal by bengal
09:25chief minister mamtha banerji to cancel the visit to malda and murshidabad for now
09:31the governor who took a train condemned the rights and slammed the state government
09:41two teams of the national human rights commission and the national commission for women also visited
09:47the right hit areas the right hit areas
10:05the muslim dominated murshidabad district witnessed large-scale violence vandalism arson and targeted
10:13attacks against the hindu community on the 11th of april the violence started with protests against the
10:21vak amendment act the mamtha banerji government has set up a special investigation team to probe
10:29the murshidabad violence she also pledged to rebuild the homes of the victims impacted by the riots
10:37the violence
10:5560 firs have been registered and more than 270 people have been taken into custody so far
11:01arrests have also been made in the murder of a 72-year-old man hargobind das and his 40-year-old
11:11son chandan das in jafrabad the police have arrested accused in jamamul haq who is alleged to have
11:21been involved in the crime
11:34the calcutta high court on thursday directed the state government to stand by the people
11:56of murshidabad who've been affected by the violence the court reminded the state government
12:03that it was their responsibility to ensure peace in murshidabad and surrounding districts the calcutta
12:10high court also directed the state government to continue patrolling sensitive areas but it rejected
12:17petition by the bjp seeking an investigation by the national investigation agency the tussle
12:25between the governor cv ananda boss and chief minister mamtha banerji is not new it's flared up
12:32once again this time over murshidabad rights calcutta high court verdict yesterday has categorically
12:40stated that if the central government wants to impose and give the investigation to the nia it was free
12:49to do so and there was no stopping from the calcutta high court and it would all depend on a governor's
12:55report with camera person orko hindrajit for india today in kolkata as far as the minority hindus
13:04in murshidabad are concerned fear still strokes the streets of course the administration is reassuring
13:10people that they're to protect them they are ensuring that the situation does not flare up again
13:15those who are alleged to have indulged in the violence in the arson and the murder of that father and
13:23son the 72 year old idol maker he used to make idols of ma durga ma saraswati hargovindo das 72 years old he
13:32was dragged out of his house and killed when his son tried to protect him 40 year old chandan das he was
13:38uh he too was dragged out and they were lynched they were hacked to death and that is why people
13:44fled in large numbers some fled to malda some went all the way to jharkand but now an effort is being
13:49made to bring them back once again they want deployment of central forces at all times around
13:55their localities my colleague surya agni roy is on ground zero he sent us this report
14:00a week back at this particular hour dhulian in shamshir ganj in murshidabad saw massive violence
14:09that ransacked the entire area and various parts ever since then there has been a huge deployment of
14:16the rapid action force various other combat forces and also there's been a deployment of the central
14:24police force after a high court's order it's seven days from the day of the incident
14:31and what we see over here is that all the vehicles that we can see in this particular area all of
14:37them are of the police be it the bengal police or central forces this is the shamshir ganj police
14:44station and hundreds of police people have been deployed here to make sure that the situation does
14:54not get out of their hands since morning we have seen multiple route marches which have been happening
15:02for the past couple of days even the mp of this particular sport khalilur rahman spoke to us and
15:09stated that confidence building will be done from their end from the administration's end to make sure
15:16that the situation gets back to where it was with camera person shamshir ghosh this is suri agni
15:22roy for india today shamsher ganj we're tracking developments in murshidabad very closely but now
15:29i want to should focus to the other big story we're tracking here on five live and that's that big
15:33controversy over the national herald newspaper case and that case is escalating into a full-blown
15:41political war between the bjp and the congress in himachal pradesh so after himachal pradesh chief
15:47minister sukvinder singh sukhu's comment on advertisements in the national herald paper
15:53by the himachal pradesh government the bjp has sharpened its attack on the congress party and this
15:59controversy escalated after the bjp alleged that huge amounts of advertisements were given to the
16:06national herald newspaper by the congress government in himachal pradesh himachal pradesh
16:12chief minister sukvinder singh sukhu defended giving ads to national herald saying herald was their
16:18newspaper and that the congress will publish ads in the national herald what's wrong in it the bjp
16:25then came out all guns blazing targeting not just the haryana the the himachal pradesh chief minister
16:30but also the congress party leadership they staged a protest against the sukhu government in chandigarh the
16:36protestors burnt effigies of congress leaders the bjp launched a scathing attack on the congress
16:41alleging that congress had turned national herald newspaper and assets associated with it into the
16:48personal atm of the congress party leadership the bjp slammed sukhu saying he'd approved ads for national
16:56herald despite the state being in acute financial crisis meanwhile protests and counter protests were
17:02held across states in connection with the national herald case
17:07national herald
17:12national herald
17:13हमारी अपनी अखबार है
17:15हम उसमें खूब ب श्षऔ भिक्या बिगयापन देते रहेंगे
21:27He's also questioned the silence.
21:29He said, people.
21:30There's an apprehension that they could lose faith in the judiciary.
21:33Vice President Dankar argued that judiciary cannot dictate what the president of India should
21:38do or should not do.
21:39And his remarks come just days after the Supreme Court sought to fix timelines for the president
21:44and for governors to give their ascent to bills pending with them.
21:48He criticized this so-called veto power that the chief justice and brother judges had,
21:56calling it a very dangerous precedent.
21:58Opposition, of course, hit out at Vice President Jabdi Dhanakar,
22:02calling his statement unethical, saying everyone, everyone is accountable
22:07and the Supreme Court's word is the last word.
22:11Now, the nation waits with bated breath.
22:19The nation is rescued because one of our institutions to which people have looked up always
22:29with highest respect and deference was put in the talk.
22:37It is now over a month.
22:45Even if it is a can of wounds, even if there are skeletons in the cupboard,
22:54time to blow up the can.
22:58Time for its lid to go out.
23:01And time for the cupboard to collapse.
23:04Let the worms and skeletons be in public domain so that clinging takes place.
23:15We have churches who will legislate, who will perform executive functions,
23:24who will act as super parliament and absolutely have no accountability because
23:33law of the land does not apply to them.
23:38There is a directive to the president.
23:43By a recent judgment.
23:44Where are we heading?
23:53What is happening in the country?
23:56I never thought in my life I will have the occasion to see it.
23:59President of India is a very elevated position.
24:09President takes oath
24:11to preserve, protect and defend the constitution.
24:17This oath is taken only by president
24:20and her appointees, the governors.
24:25Any system should be averse to scrutiny or criticism.
24:29But the criticism should be warranted
24:31and the scrutiny should be sensible.
24:33What the vice president has ignored is
24:35provisions of the constitution which are interpreted.
24:40The timelines are governed by distinct provisions of the constitution.
24:43In that particular case, 200 and 201.
24:45200 goes to the governor, 201 goes to the president.
24:49This was the interpretation of those provisions.
24:51And whatever I could read
24:53and whatever the vice president has said,
24:55I don't see any comment
24:57on this reasoning of the Supreme Court
24:59on those aspects.
25:01Look, the subvidhan is above all.
25:03Whether it is a political party,
25:05whether it is a Supreme Court,
25:06whether it is a parliament,
25:07it is above all.
25:08All the people who are in the subvidhan
25:11do not work.
25:13That's why the subvidhan
25:14the subvidhan
25:37but to say that because of the fact that the Supreme Court or the fact that the Supreme Court will be wrong
25:45because the Supreme Court is the highest, but the fact that the Supreme Court will not be wrong.
25:50Because the decision of the two judges is wrong because it is not in the government.
25:56But the decision of the Krishna is right, it was one judge.
26:00What kind of things are happening in the public domain?
26:04I can't think.
26:09I can't think.
26:11Article 142 is a nuclear missile.
26:19What was a nuclear missile was not one.
26:23Not 142.
26:25The decision of the Supreme Court will be wrong.
26:32If you think that the Supreme Court will be wrong, it will be wrong.
26:39If the Supreme Court will be wrong, it will be wrong.
26:41If the Supreme Court will be wrong, it will be wrong.
26:48And if the Supreme Court will be wrong, you must present the Supreme Court's laws.
27:03The Supreme Court will be wrong, it will be wrong.
27:09किशोंना एक अपना द्रिस्टी कोण है लेकिन आज लगभख तमाम में अंग्रेजी हिंदी दैनिकों ने इस पर विस्तार से अपना चर्चा किए राजनीत के एक ऐसे कालखंड में है जहां हमें इन चीजों पर बहुत संवेधना से सूचने की ज़रुवत है एकजेक्यूट
27:39Well, in Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir, there are leaders who are hitting out at the Pakistan Army Chief, General Asim Munir.
27:50A leader in Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir is actually demanding freedom from Pakistan Army.
27:57Pakistan Army Chief General Asim Munir has been invoking the two-nation theory in Islamabad to draw a deep divide between Hindus and Muslims.
28:07Ajmal Rashid, a leading figure in Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir's AWAMI Action Committee,
28:14has launched a scathing attack on the Pakistan Army Chief and Army's terror proxies in Pakistan.
28:21He says, and I quote, Pakistani forces and the radical groups are using POJK youth as cannon fodder in Kashmir.
28:28While they radicalize and push our children to die across the border, their own children are sent abroad to study.
28:35He openly condemned Pakistan's radical Islamist terror and war in Jammu and Kashmir,
28:42accusing Islamabad of exploiting the youth of Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir in the guise of religion to target their brethren in Jammu and Kashmir.
28:54Bangladesh has sought an apology from Pakistan for atrocities before the 1971 war through 1971 and the birth of Bangladesh.
29:14Bangladesh has demanded $4.5 billion from Pakistan over pre-1971 assets and cyclone aid,
29:24money that Pakistan has not paid then East Pakistan and has been holding on to that money since 1971.
29:32This is a major setback for Pakistan that sought to tie up with Bangladesh to target India.
29:40But Pakistan's foreign minister, he is to visit Dhaka on the 27th and 28th of April.
29:48And incidentally, this would be the first visit of a Pakistani foreign minister to Bangladesh since 2012.
29:54Well, but I want to quote what has been said by the foreign secretary of Bangladesh.
30:01He said, and I quote,
30:02We raised the historical unsettled issues with Pakistan, including a formal public apology for the atrocities committed during the 1971 liberation war by the Pakistani forces and the pending financial claims, unquote.
30:19This is Mohamed Jashimuddin, foreign secretary of Bangladesh.
30:23He was quoted saying this after his meeting with his Pakistani counterpart.
30:28Bangladesh has also made it very clear.
30:30It wants a formal apology and $4.5 billion that's pending payment.
30:37And these are issues that need to be resolved, says Bangladesh, for laying a solid foundation for the Pakistan-Bangladesh relations.
30:45But Pakistan has no money. Pakistan that's begging for each billion dollar can ill afford to pay Bangladesh $4.5 billion because neither Saudi Arabia nor UAE are willing to give any more zakat to Pakistan.
31:00China extracts its pound of flesh.
31:03It takes over one more part of Balochistan or Sindh or Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir for giving any money.
31:10And Pakistan can ill afford to repay Pakistan's Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishak Dar is scheduled to pay an official visit to Dhaka.
31:19And this would be, like I said, on the 27th and 28th of April, the first visit by a Pakistani foreign minister since 2012.
31:28So, this is Bangladesh that's saying, fine, you want to be friends, first apologize for 1971 atrocities.
31:36What were the atrocities?
31:37And I'll just tell you, it's a shocking eye-opener when millions of women, Bangladeshi women or East Pakistani women, were gang-raped by Pakistan army soldiers as part of Operation Searchlight.
31:50They were raped because the West Pakistanis said, these are dirty people, let's impregnate them so that the next generation that's born are strong, sturdy Pakistani men.
32:03This was the mindset of the Pakistan army generals.
32:06But that mindset actually stays even now.
32:09The current army chief of Pakistan, General Asim Munir, many call him Moulana Asim Munir.
32:14Well, he said the two-nation theory, he's talked about the two-nation theory.
32:18We'll also get you how India's external affairs ministry has responded to what he said.
32:24Listen in to General Asim Munir and we'll get you India's response too.
32:26Well, our four fathers thought that we are different from the Hindus in every possible aspect of life.
32:42Our religion is different, our customs are different, our traditions are different, our thoughts are different, our ambitions are different.
32:49That was the foundation of the two-nation theory that was laid there.
32:53That we are two nations, we are not one nation.
32:56So because of that, our four fathers, they struggled, mounted that incessant struggle to create this country.
33:03Our four fathers, they have sacrificed immensely and we have sacrificed a lot for the creation of this country.
33:11And we know how to defend it.
33:14My dear brothers and sisters and sons and daughters, please don't forget the story of Pakistan.
33:21And don't forget to narrate the story of Pakistan to your next generation.
33:25So that their bond with Pakistan, it never weakens.
33:29Whether it is the third generation or the fourth generation or the fifth generation, they know that what Pakistan is for them.
33:36God bless you.
33:40How can anything foreign be there in a juggler wind?
34:10It is, this is a union territory of India.
34:18Its only relationship with Pakistan is the vacation of illegally occupied territories by that country.
34:25So what was Operation Searchlight all about?
34:29And for the benefit of this generation, you must know what Pakistan did to then East Pakistan or current Bangladesh.
34:36Three million people were massacred by the Pakistan Army.
34:41Between 2 lakh to 4 lakh women were gang raped.
34:46They were brutally raped by Pakistan Army soldiers.
34:49There were reports of 1,70,000 abortions of raped women.
34:5730,000 women died by suicide.
35:015,000 war babies were born.
35:05And these are statistics which India did not provide.
35:08This was a commission that investigated Pakistan Army's war crimes.
35:14And this was their report.
35:15There were 10 million refugees.
35:17Because when Pakistan Army's atrocities during Operation Searchlight in March of 1971 became unbearable,
35:2410 million people came into Indian territory.
35:2740 million Bangladeshis or Bengalis then of East Pakistan, they were displaced.
35:33This, there were 942, 942 killing fields that were found in Bangladesh.
35:42There were people, the East Pakistanis, the Bengalis, they would just be lined up.
35:46And they would just be shot dead.
35:48And before they would be killed, they would be made to dig their graves.
35:52And then they would be buried in the same graves.
35:54The survivors would be told, you bury the rest there.
35:57Lieutenant General Syed Atta Hasnain joins me on this special broadcast.
36:00He's a military historian.
36:02He's a former co-commander.
36:04Ambassador Veena Sikri, Zindya's former High Commissioner to Bangladesh, joins us on this show.
36:08Arzu Kazmi is a journalist who joins us from Pakistan.
36:11And Ambassador Sikri, you were a High Commissioner in Bangladesh.
36:14And this was a very sore issue with people in Bangladesh.
36:19They wanted an apology from Pakistan.
36:22Now, when there's an establishment that's seen as very close to Jamaican Islamists or radical Islamists in Bangladesh,
36:28and they demand an apology.
36:29Is this perfunctory or are they serious about it?
36:33This is complete eyewash.
36:35Let me tell you, Gaurav, this is complete eyewash.
36:38You are very right.
36:38You have narrated the facts accurately about what happened in 1971.
36:43And it is also very true that for the last 54 years,
36:47this has been at the forefront of the demand of the people of Bangladesh.
36:50That they want apology from Pakistan.
36:52They want $4.3 billion in reparation.
36:56All that is absolutely true.
36:58But today, the Muhammad Yunus unconstitutional illegitimate regime is putting this as eyewash.
37:04They know that the people of Bangladesh will not accept a reordering of the relationship with Pakistan.
37:11They will not accept friendship with Pakistan unless these things are done.
37:14So, they have put it on the table in the talks with the foreign secretary.
37:18And they will repeat it in the talks with the deputy prime minister.
37:21But the end outcome is going to be, yes, we have made the demand.
37:24But we will continue to talk on that.
37:26And we will also continue to develop our good relations with Pakistan.
37:29So, what is going to happen is that this will give them the freedom to develop the relations with Pakistan
37:34by saying that we have put the demands on the table and we are talking to them
37:37and we will get it for you by tomorrow day after, tomorrow day after.
37:40So, this is a complete eyewash, just a sanction.
37:43It's an eyewash, you say.
37:44I want to bring in General Hasnain.
37:46General Hasnain, this generation in Bangladesh may not know,
37:49and especially if it's a generation that's being brought up on, you know,
37:53which is feared by radical Islamists who now run that country.
37:57You also heard what Pakistan's army chief said.
38:00And we played that out.
38:01I'll come to that in just a moment.
38:02But what do you make of this?
38:04What were the atrocities and how grave were those atrocities that were carried out
38:09by West Pakistanis on then East Pakistanis or as many say,
38:14by the Punjabis, the Pashtuns on that side, on the Bengalis this side?
38:20Gaurav, thank you first of all for inviting me for your program.
38:23No doubt, I was an 18-year-old in 1971 and I still remember night after night
38:29watching television or hearing All India Radio at that time.
38:33And we used to hear of this all the time.
38:35You have just related the truth, the stark truth completely for this generation
38:40to understand because not many people are aware of what Operation Searchlight was all about.
38:45You've just given the facts.
38:47But the current linkage to what is happening in Bangladesh,
38:52I couldn't agree more with Ambassador Veena Sikri.
38:55I was myself wondering as to what will be the stance that people will take on this program.
39:01And I'm happy to see that there is no doubt about it that this has become an aberration suddenly,
39:07a stark aberration in the cascading buildup of the relationship between this,
39:13the illegal government in Bangladesh at the moment and Pakistan,
39:18which has been happening for the better part of the last four or five months.
39:21And suddenly, you find a stop being put suddenly there, an unnatural stop being put there
39:26by raising this issue of 1971.
39:31Obviously, as Ambassador Veena Sikri very correctly says,
39:34it seems to be that it's been put there as an eyewash,
39:38a red herring to take out the complete, you know, allegations
39:43which are being put against the current government in Dhaka
39:47that they are hand in glove with Pakistan.
39:50And the ISI's presence there is all about creating a third front against India.
39:55So, obviously, we'll have to wait and watch these events as we go along.
39:59But I entirely agree with Ambassador Veena Sikri.
40:02Okay, I want to bring in Arzu Kazmi.
40:04Arzu, are people in Pakistan aware of what the generals then,
40:10who were leading Pakistan army, General Tikka Khan,
40:14before he was called the butcher of Balochistan,
40:17was actually the butcher of Bengalis in Bangladesh.
40:20The massacre that had been carried out.
40:23Can you imagine, Arzu, 3 million people,
40:2630 lakh people killed.
40:29Can you imagine between 2 lakh to 4 lakh women being raped?
40:35And by Muslim women, Hindu women here in Bangladesh or then East Pakistan
40:41being raped by people who came from West Pakistan.
40:45Can you even imagine that?
40:472 lakh to 4 lakh women being raped.
40:491,70,000 abortions after these rapes.
40:5330,000 women who committed suicide because they were sex slaves, Arzu.
40:58Exactly, Gaurav, you are right.
41:01But unfortunately, Pakistan will not accept it.
41:04And here, no one will believe this or not say sorry about it.
41:07Because I think,
41:092 years ago,
41:10a brigadier of my show came to me.
41:12And when I asked him this,
41:14he said that he was an Indian army,
41:16who was wearing the uniform of Pakistan.
41:20And I can send you that clip,
41:22that show you can send me to me,
41:23which he spoke to me.
41:24And after that, he didn't come to me again at the show.
41:26I don't think anybody will accept this.
41:56Okay, Pakistan army continues to do that.
41:58But for this generation,
42:00Ambassador Sikri,
42:01I want you to tell this generation
42:04what actually happened.
42:07Who was General Tikka Khan?
42:09Who was General Yahya Khan?
42:10General A.A.K. Niazi,
42:12of course, a lot of people know
42:13because he was the one who surrendered,
42:15who signed that instrument of surrender
42:17on 16th of December 1971
42:19to General Arora.
42:20But why was General Tikka Khan
42:22known as the butcher of Bengalis
42:25in then East Pakistan, madam?
42:28Well, you know,
42:28the entire history
42:30of what happened in 1971
42:32boils down to the
42:34West Pakistani distaste
42:36for the people of East Pakistan.
42:38A complete distaste,
42:39a complete abhorrence,
42:41a racist approach
42:42to the people of East Pakistan.
42:44And combined with that,
42:46they think they have racial superiority
42:48and intellectual superiority
42:50and they don't want to give any rights.
42:52I'm saying this
42:53because the entire problem arose
42:55because in the 1970 elections,
42:58perhaps the only fair elections
42:59held in Pakistan
43:01in the last 75 plus years,
43:04that in those elections,
43:05it was Sheikh Mujib,
43:07Sheikh Mujib Uraib Khan
43:08who won an overwhelming majority
43:10and he should have been
43:11the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
43:12That was absolutely the purpose
43:14for which the elections were held
43:15and he won the overwhelming majority.
43:17If you take both
43:18West Pakistan and East Pakistan together,
43:20he should have been the Prime Minister.
43:21But Bhutto,
43:22Zilfakar Ali Bhutto in the West
43:23would not allow it.
43:25And he said,
43:25no, he cannot be the Prime Minister
43:26of Pakistan.
43:28So, you know,
43:29you be in the West
43:30and will he be in the East
43:31in that kind of thing,
43:32telling them,
43:32telling Sheikh Mujib,
43:33you do what you want in East Pakistan.
43:34I will be here, etc.
43:36Obviously, it's not acceptable
43:37to Sheikh Mujib Uraib Khan
43:39and there were talks held on it.
43:41And, you know,
43:42there was,
43:42Yaya Khan was in Dhaka for talks
43:45and the talks broke down
43:48because they were not ready.
43:49After promising to hold the Assembly,
43:52the Parliament,
43:53with all the elected leaders,
43:55that the Parliament was never held,
43:58the talks with Sheikh Mujib
43:59broke down
43:59and Yaya Khan left Dhaka
44:02on the 23rd of March.
44:051971
44:05and ordered
44:06Operation Searchlight.
44:08And that is where
44:09the genocide started.
44:10I mean,
44:11this story of saying
44:11the Indian Army
44:12did everything,
44:13the Indian Army
44:13was not there for nine months.
44:15It's only in December
44:16that the actual war broke out.
44:18Before that,
44:18it was, you know,
44:19where the absolute,
44:21you know,
44:21the rape,
44:23the killings,
44:23the lynchings,
44:24the intellectuals,
44:25murder,
44:26and the absolutely horrendous
44:27genocide
44:28perpetrated
44:29by the army of West Pakistan
44:31on the people of East Pakistan.
44:32This is something
44:33absolutely should be written
44:34in the annals of the world history
44:36as one of the worst events
44:37of its kind
44:38to ever take place.
44:39And,
44:40but the people of Bangladesh
44:42fought back,
44:42they declared
44:43their own independence.
44:44there was a proclamation
44:45of independence
44:46on the 11th of April
44:471971.
44:49And that proclamation,
44:51that constitution
44:51was drawn up later.
44:53And we know that
44:54how in the,
44:55although 10 million refugees
44:56from East Pakistan
44:57came into India,
44:58but the Indian government
44:59fought,
45:00and,
45:00you know,
45:00the Indian Army
45:01and the...
45:01You know,
45:02I want to,
45:02I want to stay on that issue,
45:04General Hasnain,
45:06of Pakistan Army
45:07ordering the rape
45:10of Bengali women.
45:12Nasla badalne ke liye.
45:14Because they said
45:14the next generation
45:16should not be like
45:17these dirty Bengalis
45:18or words to that effect
45:19that was used.
45:20They wanted the next generation
45:22to be strong,
45:23tall,
45:24like the West Pakistanis.
45:26And this was state-sponsored,
45:27a Pakistan Army-sponsored
45:29rape
45:29of millions,
45:31lakhs and lakhs
45:32of Bengali women
45:34raped and killed
45:35General Hasnain.
45:36State-sponsored,
45:37wasn't it, sir?
45:39See, Gaurav,
45:40I think today's generation,
45:41what they need to know
45:42and what they need to,
45:44we can get reiterated to them,
45:46is the aberration
45:47that was the Pakistani nation.
45:49Separated by 1,500 kilometers
45:52of Indian territory,
45:54a Bengali nation,
45:55Muslim,
45:56so-called,
45:57joined together
45:58by the Islamic faith.
46:00Proven thereafter
46:01that there was no such thing
46:03as the linkage
46:03within Islam
46:04or within a religion.
46:06and it's the Western Pakistan,
46:08the West Pakistani elements
46:10who consider themselves superior,
46:12their language Urdu superior
46:14to Bengali,
46:15who wished to put it down
46:17to the Bengalis
46:17that they were
46:18an inferior people.
46:20And that is why
46:21the whole human rights,
46:22the entire human rights campaign
46:24started against
46:25the Bengalis
46:26to exterminate
46:27the intellectuals.
46:28The operational search life
46:30was not only about
46:31targeting women,
46:32not only about
46:33targeting others,
46:34but targeting the
46:35intellectuals of Bangladesh.
46:37And hundreds and thousands
46:38of them were killed.
46:40I want to congratulate
46:41Arzu ji.
46:42I was hearing her program
46:44also today
46:44and she has given
46:46reference to the
46:46Hamadur Rahman Commission
46:48which is necessary
46:50in Pakistan
46:50for people to know
46:52and understand.
46:53It's been put under wraps
46:54and no one in Pakistan
46:56in current generation
46:57knows what actually happened.
46:59It's all there
47:00given in the
47:01Hamadur Rahman report.
47:04Oh, absolutely.
47:05And Arzu,
47:06if Pakistan
47:07has its own church
47:08then you will
47:10be a victim
47:10and you will
47:11you will
47:12freeze
47:13your assets
47:13your bank
47:15you will
47:16jail
47:16or
47:17your generation
47:18or your generation
47:19will be a final
47:20generation.
47:21that you will
47:22and your Pakistan
47:23for this
47:24how much
47:25it will be.
47:25So,
47:26now that
47:27the Islamic
47:28people
47:28are now
47:29in Bangladesh
47:30and your
47:33army
47:34and Muslim
47:34superior race
47:35and Hindu
47:35and they will
47:36this kind of
47:37talk about it.
47:38But,
47:38you can already
47:39tell them
47:40that the bank freeze or documents freeze have already been done and the F.I.R. has already been launched.
47:47But the rest is that the new generation, some of our generation are now known.
47:52The truth is that the truth is that they can follow the same thing.
47:56That's why they are frustrated.
47:58That's why they talk about two-nation theory.
48:00They talk about Kashmir Kashmir.
48:02When you know what happened in Balochistan and KPK.
48:06So they accept it or not.
48:08But the new generation is definitely more smart.
48:12And they know everything from first.
48:14And this new generation.
48:16Because Pakistan army like a leopard cannot change its spots.
48:20Ambassador Sikri.
48:22Considering General Tikka Khan carried out that same brutal rape, murder, mayhem in Danish Pakistan.
48:31And they did exactly the same in Balochistan just a couple of years later, 1973 onwards.
48:37So the butcher of Bengalis became the butcher of Balochistan, madam.
48:41And that continues till date under Asim Munir.
48:44Yeah.
48:45You know, I mean, this is amazing.
48:47Because it's so goibilizing.
48:48You think that you can repeat a lie a thousand times and it will become the truth.
48:51It does not become the truth.
48:53But the amazing propensity of the Pakistan army to delude themselves and delude their own people that, you know, the history is not what it is.
49:02And believing in the two-nation theory, we all know that the two-nation theory fell to smithereens when Bangladesh was created.
49:09And now they are trying to reestablish it.
49:11Because the people who have done the regime change in Bangladesh, they are the ones who were the losers in 1971.
49:18The Pakistan army was the loser.
49:20The Jamaat-e-Islami was the loser.
49:22The Radhakaz was the loser.
49:23And they think that now in August 2024, they are now one.
49:27And now they're trying to obliterate the memory of 1971 and teach something else to their children.
49:32But as our very distinguished panelist from Pakistan is correctly saying, the younger generation is too smart to be fooled.
49:39And they know they have access to social media.
49:41They have access to the internet.
49:43They have access to opinions in all countries.
49:46So they cannot be fooled by just one, you know, chief of army staff who is actually known as even a maulana by many people in his own country.
49:54And, you know, and so that they know it.
49:57And I think the people of Bangladesh are equally smart, the younger generation.
50:00And they know it. They will not be fooled by what the UNIS regime and his foreign affairs advisor and others are trying to do with Pakistan.
50:07You know, in India today, we'll be putting out those details, those details of Operation Searchlight.
50:12But go on, madam, complete your point, please. Please go ahead.
50:14I was just saying that Pakistan is all set, Pakistan, China and Bangladesh, to create this three-front attack on India.
50:22And they think that they can get away with it, but they should know they cannot.
50:26India's security lines are very, red lines are very clear.
50:30We know what those red lines are.
50:32The UNIS regime is trying his best to cross every security red line, whether it is Lal Munir Hart,
50:37new modernization of Air Force Base by China and Pakistan,
50:40whether it is giving the TISA water management project to China instead of to India,
50:45giving the Mongla port development project to China instead of India.
50:49These are all trying to reverse both Mongla and TISA decisions of the previous Sheikh in our government.
50:55But this is not going to have any impact because it's hurting our security such a lot that there are going to be serious consequences.
51:03Okay. General Hastane, what do you make of what General Aasem Munir said about the two-nation theory,
51:10about Kashmir being their shahrag or their juggler vein, and India's response?
51:16Does he sound very, very desperate given how popular Imran Khan despite being in jail is,
51:23how youngsters are against him and how overseas Pakistanis have been targeting General Aasem Munir's regime?
51:31See, Gaurav, General Munir, the way he has spoken, his body language itself and the reception and response
51:40which the audience has actually given him, all goes to show that the confidence of the Pakistani nation
51:49is at its lowest step at the moment. It's breaking up virtually. Its economy is in shambles completely.
51:57There are terror attacks in the West. There are terror attacks from the PLA in Balochistan.
52:02The streets have been taken over by radical elements everywhere.
52:08This is the kind of message which Munir is sending out that despite all this, Pakistan continues to remain the other state
52:18almost as if it is a replica of the state created by the prophet in Medina way back in the 7th century AD.
52:27I think this could be the biggest aberration, the biggest sacrilege and he should be taken to task by a nun.
52:33A lot of people in the clergy because Pakistan, comparing Pakistan as a state which is a parallel and something equivalent
52:42to the state created in Medina by the Holy Prophet, I think to my mind is the ultimate disgrace you can bring to Islam anywhere.
52:50Because Pakistan, you know what it is. It's a state which respects nothing.
52:55There is no state existent as such. There is terror everywhere and it's a state which is completely breaking up.
53:02He is attempting to try to appeal to the Kashmiris.
53:07On this line he is trying to appeal to the Kashmiris to think of looking at Pakistan.
53:13Imagine that kind of a state which India has created and how Kashmir is joined with India.
53:21Yeah, that's a very very pertinent point he is making. That he is insulting Islam by calling Pakistan or comparing Pakistan to Riaasat-e-Madina.
53:30Of course, Imran Khan did the same. It landed him in jail and Arzu, I want to understand from you.
53:36Riaasat-e-Madina is what Imran Khan also wanted to make Pakistan. He ended up in jail.
53:41Asim Munir is also now using the same line. So both resorting to religion as a very desperate measure.
53:47But in this case, two of them is the same.
53:49The other one is the same.
53:51You can see that it is the same.
53:52The other one is the same.
53:54Yeah, Asim Munir or Amrani Khan.
53:56Is it true?
53:57Do you know the difference between two and one?
53:59Both are being here.
54:01This is how it is.
54:03It's like the army and Amrani Khan's life in the middle of the industry.
54:07But, it's not what you can do.
54:09You never know that Amrani Khan's life in the middle of the industry.
54:12Or this is what's wrong with the army.
54:14But, you say this is the army, who Amrani Khan's life in the middle of the industry.
54:18But, it's not what I'm talking about.
54:20But, it's the only thing that this is where I'm talking about.
54:23But this is a story that Bangladesh must know
54:41This generation of Bangladesh must know
54:43What happened with their mothers and their grandmothers
54:46And their great-grandmothers at the hands of Pakistanis
54:48So when Muhammad Yunus ties up with the Pakistanis
54:51He's putting the future generation exactly down the same path
54:56That they once have already been
54:58And I'm sure the end will not be very good for them
55:01And we'll be tracking that story very, very closely
55:04As good neighbours should
55:06To all my guests, many thanks for joining me
55:08Ambassador Seekry, General Hasnain and Arzu Kazmi
55:10Thank you for joining me on this India Today special