Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath questioned the silence of West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee over the ongoing violence in the state regarding the Waqf law.
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00:00:00Where are you from from Nato's thoughts?
00:00:03Yogi Adityanath questions Mamta Banerjee's silence on Murshidabad.
00:00:12Yogi says Bengal burning while Mamta is silent.
00:00:16You will see Bengal is a fire.
00:00:20The main minister is there.
00:00:23He calls the peace of the people.
00:00:25Mamta Banerjee to meet Maulana's to appeal for peace.
00:00:37BJP hits out at appeasement politics.
00:00:41TMC hits back.
00:00:42He doesn't play the peace of the people here.
00:00:46He calls the peace of the people.
00:00:52Initial probe report indicates role of Bangladeshi rioters.
00:01:00Bangladesh fishing in Bengal's troubled waters.
00:01:03That's our top focus on Five Live.
00:01:06Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath has come out all guns blazing targeting the Mamta Banerjee government for what he terms, or what the BJP terms, is blatant Muslim appeasement politics.
00:01:20He says Bengal is burning, the Chief Minister is silent.
00:01:23Of course, the TNCs hit right back saying Mamta Banerjee has repeatedly appealed for calm and deployed forces on ground.
00:01:30But Yogi Adityanath then went on to say that in the name of secularism, no action was being taken against the rioters.
00:01:38Chief Minister Mamta Banerjee incidentally is to meet the Maulanas and Maulwis according to the TMC leadership and reassure them that the work fact will not be implemented in Bengal and issue another appeal to remain calm.
00:01:52TMC leaders say the bid is to pacify those heightened treasures, to allay fears on implementation of VAKF Act in Bengal.
00:02:03It is to address all their concerns.
00:02:06The BJP has once again hit back saying this is one more proof of Muslim appeasement politics of Mamta Banerjee.
00:02:14I'm Gaurav Savant, we get you all sides of this big story.
00:02:18Bengal is now calm but there's another angle.
00:02:21Now it is being said in the preliminary report that India today has accessed that there were elements who came from across the border.
00:02:27Radical Islamists came from across the border in Bangladesh and targeted homes in Bengal, in Murshidabad.
00:02:35The question remains, how did they have addresses of Hindu homes to target in Bengal?
00:02:40We get you more on this story.
00:02:42I'm Gaurav Savant, let's get started with the headlines at 5.
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00:04:09The Trimul Congress has hit right back at the Bharatiya Janta Party and especially at Uttar Pradesh chief minister Yogi Adityanath for his comments on Bengal,
00:04:34where he said, Bengal jal raha hai, wahan ki mukke mantri chup hai.
00:04:39The TMC has said that the Bharatiya Janta Party is trying to instigate the people of Bengal.
00:04:46The BJP is trying to trigger riots or words to that effect.
00:04:50The TMC has said Mamata Banerjee's actions and words have brought the situation under control in Bengal.
00:04:57The TMC says, why was Yogi Adityanath silent on the situation in Manipur, the situation in Bengal.
00:05:07We will get you what the TMC has said.
00:05:10We will get you what Uttar Pradesh chief minister Yogi Adityanath said in connection with the situation in Bengal.
00:05:18She calls the rioters peaceful people or words to that effect is what Uttar Pradesh chief minister Yogi Adityanath said.
00:05:37I quickly want to cut across to India today's Suryagni Roy, who joins us for more on this big story.
00:05:43Suryagni, it was a fierce attack by Yogi Adityanath, but it's an equally fierce counter-attack by the Trinamul congress.
00:05:51Bring us details.
00:05:52Well, absolutely Gaurav, and you know, what the Trinamul congress claims right now is that this kind of, you know, what the Uttar Pradesh chief minister is stating might, you know, again instigate people again.
00:06:09And he's doing it at the behest of the BJP and they want, you know, a ruckus or some kind of provocation in the state of West Bengal.
00:06:17Especially at a time, this is the Trinamul congress stating that at a time when Mamata Banerjee and the administration has been able to contain the situation,
00:06:26such provocative messages, such provocative, you know, but dialogue should not be heard by political leaders across the country if they want a betterment of the entire, of the state.
00:06:37But we did see that, you know, Yogi Adityanath taking on the chief minister and now Trinamul has hit the Yogi Adityanath back with their statement.
00:06:46Back to you.
00:06:47Keep writing that story.
00:06:49I will come back to you for more on this because the situation in Bengal, it's under control, but the situation is simmering.
00:06:57Violence over Bengal Vakf law is the big talking point.
00:07:03In the past, there have been vehicle stoched, properties ransacked and not just in Murshidabad, but also in Bangar.
00:07:10Now, people were forced just to flee to Malda initially, but now reports are coming in that people are leaving Bengal and fleeing to Jharkhand.
00:07:19And amidst this, Uttar Pradesh chief minister Yogi Adityanath has come out all guns blazing, slamming Mamata Banerjee, saying she's soft on the rioters.
00:07:27And the BJP says this is part of Trinamul Congress or Mamata Banerjee's Muslim appeasement politics.
00:07:35And as you just heard, the TMC has hit right back accusing the BJP of fomenting trouble in the state.
00:07:41But then the probe that was carried out and just the initial report that's been submitted does indicate that there were several lapses on the part of the authorities.
00:07:51The manner in which violence, it erupted and spread and the targeting of Hindu homes in Murshidabad.
00:07:58There are also those who are raising the question that if the rioters were from Bangladesh, where did they get the precise address of Hindu homes to target in Murshidabad?
00:08:09Our Bengal Bureau brings you a top story.
00:08:19Vehicles torched, stones hurled.
00:08:26Property ransacked.
00:08:31After Murshidabad and Malda, fresh anti-vakf riots erupted in Bangor in South 24 Parganaz.
00:08:39Amid unending Bengal vakf violence, UP Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath launched a scathing attack on his Bengal counterpart, Mamata Banerjeev.
00:08:54Calling her soft on Reuters and staging secularism stunts to appease.
00:08:59The firebrand UP Chief Minister hit out at opposition parties for their deliberate silence on Bengal violence.
00:09:24Meanwhile, Chief Minister Mamata Banerjeev, who is scheduled to meet imams on April 16th, over the on-face Cinema, has urged people to maintain peace.
00:09:42Meanwhile, Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee, who is scheduled to meet imams on April 16th,
00:09:51over the work floor, has urged people to maintain peace and avoid creating unrest.
00:10:12She also hit back at the BJP, accusing it of inciting riots and playing religion-based politics.
00:10:24Meanwhile, the initial probe by centre highlighted big lapses by the Mamata government
00:10:30and role of illegal Bangladeshi intruders in the riots.
00:10:35As per sources, the central probe showed that Mamata government failed to monitor Bangladeshi intruders
00:10:41who went on to target Hindus in Murshidabad.
00:10:46Vin Anupam Mishra in Murshidabad, Bureau Report, India Today.
00:10:56The situation in Bengal and especially in and around Murshidabad remains tense.
00:11:02People are on the edge.
00:11:04There are scars of violence and arson and vandalism that's visible across pockets in Murshidabad.
00:11:11Of course, there was also this murder of a father and son duo.
00:11:15They were idol makers.
00:11:17They used to make idols of Ma Saraswati and Ma Durga.
00:11:21They were pulled out of their house and had to death.
00:11:25Now, this is a Muslim-majority area.
00:11:27Fear still stalks the streets of Murshidabad.
00:11:31The death of Chandan Das.
00:11:32He was 40.
00:11:33His father, Hargoband Das, was 72 years old.
00:11:37Two suspects have been taken into custody.
00:11:39But then there are also families who haven't just fled from Murshidabad to Malda.
00:11:43Some have fled all the way to Jharkhand.
00:11:46They feel very unsafe in Bengal.
00:11:48Hundreds of Hindus have sought refuge across Maganga, across the river.
00:11:54They fear if they return home, they may be killed.
00:11:58They're saying they want permanent deployment of the border security force
00:12:02in all those Muslim-majority pockets in the area.
00:12:06We get you more in this report.
00:12:08The scars of deadly Bengal anti-Vakhf law riots still visible.
00:12:29After murders, targeted violence and arson attacks by lynch mobs.
00:12:38There is fear and apprehension in Muslim-dominated Murshidabad.
00:12:47Autisans Chandan Das and his elderly father, Hargoband,
00:12:51were dragged out of their house and hacked to death in Murshidabad on April 12th.
00:12:58While two alleged killers were nabbed on Tuesday,
00:13:02the victim's family fears the worst.
00:13:08The family has now fled to Jharkhand, taking shelter in Saheb Ganj.
00:13:13border and Maryam Banshan.
00:13:28All this is during the murder of elders.
00:13:32We would not have been suffering from home.
00:13:34해요 closing in the house too.
00:13:36Anybody can get back some water,
00:13:39I don't even know what that means!
00:13:52When you first arrived at the time,
00:13:57we saw for the little people of the country
00:13:59who were still in the population.
00:14:02These people were buried,
00:14:04at least two people were buried.
00:14:06Earlier, 500 Hindus from Mursheedabad had crossed the Ganga and taken shelter in Malda to escape rioters.
00:14:22Many returned under heavy police cover.
00:14:36In Bengal's riot zone, the fires may be out, but the fear burns on.
00:14:52Mitana from Mishra in Mursheedabad, Bureau Report, India Today.
00:15:06And the BJP versus TMC battle in Bengal is escalating.
00:15:14It's a massive showdown between the BJP and the government.
00:15:17The BJP has hit out at TMC over its charges against the Border Security Force.
00:15:23When TMC leaders say that a section of central forces, including the Border Security Force, facilitated the infiltration of illegals from Bangladesh to carry out riots in Bengal,
00:15:37the BJP says it is the Trinamul Congress that got intruders into Bengal and not the BSF.
00:15:44They've called it deflection tactics.
00:15:46There's a statement of Shukanto Majundar saying words to the effect that TMC got the intruders in.
00:15:54There are media reports that seem to say so.
00:15:56TMC thought they will prick a bit and let these people in and escape.
00:16:01But it has gone much, much bigger.
00:16:04This is what is being said by the BJP leaders.
00:16:09Listen in.
00:16:10Listen in to Shukanto Majundar.
00:16:11I'll get you more on that story.
00:16:42The mehem in Murshidabad is under investigation and after initial reports, there is this alleged role of radical Islamists from across the border in Bangladesh.
00:17:05The TMC is blaming the center and the BJP that it was the central forces that facilitated the entry of illegal Bangladeshis to carry out riots and tarnish the Mamata Banerjee government.
00:17:16The BJP has hit right back saying that it was actually the TMC that facilitated illegal Bangladeshis to come in.
00:17:23And there's blatant Muslim appeasement that's going on in Bengal.
00:17:26Joining me on this special broadcast is Monajeet Mandal.
00:17:29Monajeet Mandal is a political analyst, also gives us the Trinamul Congress perspective.
00:17:33Dr. Vikram Singh is a security expert, former DGP of Uttar Pradesh.
00:17:37Dr. Shatarupa represents the Bharatiya Janata Party on this broadcast.
00:17:41And Dr. Shatarupa, I want to begin by asking you, the Trinamul Congress is accusing the BJP central forces, including the BSF,
00:17:50of facilitating the entry of illegal Bangladeshis into Bengal to carry out riots.
00:17:56Dr. Shatarupa, I want to convey to you from Bengal, Shubhan Abo Borsham.
00:18:03Happy Bengali New Year.
00:18:04And to all of you, just to all of you on the channel behind and all the people who are watching the show.
00:18:10Yes, this is something that the Trinamul has been going on saying.
00:18:14And we, in fact, want to state on national channel, on national network, in fact, live, on record,
00:18:21that it is Mahmouda Banerjee and her cronies who are singularly responsible for the way Bengal is burning today.
00:18:28She has kindled this fire.
00:18:30She has allowed, under very surreptitious means, people to come in from across Bengal.
00:18:35And it's all very well to blame BSF, even if for a second, if I give her the benefit of the doubt,
00:18:42if there are some people who are amongst these people who are guarding the forces,
00:18:46which is, of course, a direct insult to them.
00:18:48The people who are guarding our border, they are the reason why we are still surviving here in this country.
00:18:54However, even if as the chief minister of West Bengal, she feels she could have, you know,
00:18:59mentioned the number of outposts, the serial number of those outposts,
00:19:03and given it officially to the Home Ministry, which she hasn't done.
00:19:06Having said that, God, if I want to repeat again, I want to reiterate,
00:19:10it is Mahmouda Banerjee who has encouraged these infiltrators by giving them false documents.
00:19:17You know, you have seen their political leaders, their public representatives who win an election,
00:19:23saying on an open stage, all those who don't have an Adhar card,
00:19:26you can contact this guy near that shop.
00:19:28They will give you your Adhar card, your ration card and your passport.
00:19:31Now, these people who are coming across the border and who are creating this mayhem
00:19:36that you are showing on television, what you are showing is in Bangor.
00:19:39What has been happening continuously over several months and now it is just,
00:19:44it has been like an outpouring of a hot pot, hot boiling pot.
00:19:49This has happened in Murshidabad, in Malda, in different parts of West Bengal.
00:19:54Even if illegal, even if, before I bring in Monujit Mandal, even if illegals came in from Bangladesh,
00:20:00the fault lies with the BSF that's controlled by the center.
00:20:04No.
00:20:04How could illegals from Bangladesh come in with BSF deployed there, madam?
00:20:08No, no, no. That is what I am trying to say.
00:20:10There is almost 75% of the international border between Bangladesh and West Bengal,
00:20:17which still remains unfenced.
00:20:20So, therefore, if you expect BSF to create magic, although they are constantly in vision,
00:20:25that is what I am trying to tell you.
00:20:27If the Home Ministry, I mean, Home Department of West Bengal is so well aware,
00:20:31then they should have given an official letter to the Home Minister of India.
00:20:34They should have taken actual action instead of speaking on different medias and spreading these rumours.
00:20:41And my point here, Gaurav, is again, I am saying, they have encouraged these people
00:20:46who have somehow managed to creep across the border, even if, I mean, whosoever watched.
00:20:52The point here is they know that there is their own aunt, their pishi, their kufi,
00:20:58sitting on this other side who is going to give them not only their documents,
00:21:01their sleeper cells activated here, who take care of their food, rations, accommodation,
00:21:06even tourism.
00:21:07They go around during not only West Bengal, they go, you know,
00:21:10these people are found even in remote Karnataka.
00:21:13Remote, I am saying, because it is far away from West Bengal.
00:21:16Today, again, I am saying that…
00:21:17You know, if they are crossing any BJP rule state, what is the BJP doing there?
00:21:20Because as somebody who studies national security,
00:21:24these are questions that what has the Narendra Modi government done?
00:21:26What has Union Home Minister Amit Shah done?
00:21:28These are very serious questions of national security.
00:21:31100% Kaurav, I agree with you, but it is the BJP rule states
00:21:35who have identified these people who have dared to infiltrate in states like Assam,
00:21:41in Sripura and immediately got them handed over.
00:21:45There, the BSF and the state police work hand in hand.
00:21:49Here, you will see several times the Chief Minister of West Bengal and her cronies
00:21:53accusing the BSF, accusing the BSF, not letting them work, tantalizing them,
00:21:59making sure that they are, you know, accused of human catastrophes,
00:22:06which is not something that the armed forces do.
00:22:11They blame BSF of harassing civilians, which BSF doesn't do.
00:22:15Let me quickly bring in Dr. Vikram Singh into this conversation
00:22:19as we wait for that line to be linked up to Monajit Mandal once again.
00:22:24Dr. Vikram Singh, BJP blames the TMC,
00:22:27that TMC got illegals into India to carry out riots.
00:22:31BJP blames the TMC, that TMC got illegals into Bengal to create riots.
00:22:37The situation is in this blame game.
00:22:39It is innocent people who are dying
00:22:41and we are just twiddling our thumbs,
00:22:43we are just watching what is happening, sir.
00:22:46Gaurav ji, good evening.
00:22:48It is highly irresponsible on the state government
00:22:50to wash their hands of the case.
00:22:52The law and order is a state responsibility
00:22:54and it is jolly well the responsibility.
00:22:56Coming to the border issues,
00:22:58well, it is the job also of the state government
00:23:00to sanitize the state
00:23:01and if they have been able to identify
00:23:03the house of the Hindus, the majority community,
00:23:05target them and run with impunity.
00:23:08I will say, I will say charge number one against them
00:23:10that how come that they entered and they penetrated
00:23:13and also attacked with impunity.
00:23:16A.J. Hussain Ansari, the Jharkhand minister,
00:23:18says, for me, Sharia comes first.
00:23:20It has not done any service to the nation.
00:23:23TMC MP Bapi Halbar says,
00:23:25break hands and boost the eyes of all the agitators
00:23:28or those who cast their eyes on the works property.
00:23:31Has any action been taken?
00:23:32To the contrary, when I see the rioters,
00:23:34my sense prevails that they are wearing track pants
00:23:36and jogging shoes at which they have been prepared
00:23:39and preparing themselves with absolute impunity
00:23:41to attack the police and also the majority community.
00:23:45The majority community has crossed the Ganga 400 families,
00:23:48not a word of sympathy from them
00:23:49and Mohabbat ki Dukan opened up in Sambal
00:23:51and compensation was awarded.
00:23:54Well, has the Mohabbat ki Dukan become bankrupt
00:23:56or they have run out of funds or what?
00:23:57Then the second thing,
00:23:59as also the fact that Mamta is meeting the Maulanas,
00:24:03not a word of sympathy for the victims,
00:24:05not a word of sympathy for those killed,
00:24:07the father, son and the third person.
00:24:09Are we to say that these are casualties
00:24:12that can be just written off?
00:24:13This is totally unacceptable, one-sided action.
00:24:16And the time has come.
00:24:17The breakdown of the constitutional machinery,
00:24:19Y.D. Article 355, 355 Constitution of India,
00:24:22this government needs to be dismissed,
00:24:24forthwith, immediately.
00:24:25For too long have we survived this kind of election.
00:24:29That's a very strong statement that you're making
00:24:31that for this situation,
00:24:34the state government needs to be dismissed,
00:24:36is what you say.
00:24:37But Dr. Shathurupa,
00:24:39the Trimul Congress says the BJP
00:24:41is trying to fish in troubled waters
00:24:42and it's fomenting trouble in Bengal
00:24:44because Mamta Banerjee is reaching out to people.
00:24:48She's trying to allay fears of Muslims.
00:24:51She's not playing, they say,
00:24:52she's not playing the divide and rule politics.
00:24:54She's appealing to Muslims to calm down.
00:24:57She's reassuring them that Vaghfad
00:24:58will not be implemented in Bengal.
00:25:01So what is wrong if she's meeting
00:25:02Maulanas and Malvis and appealing for peace, madam?
00:25:05Kaurav, she has instigated this whole thing
00:25:09over the last 15 years,
00:25:11even as recent as the last occasion on Eid
00:25:13when she went up on stage to celebrate Eid
00:25:16with the Muslims.
00:25:17We have no problem with that.
00:25:19But there she goes and says,
00:25:20I am your own Fufi.
00:25:22You can tell the whole world
00:25:23that Didi is on your side.
00:25:26Why?
00:25:26She is the chief minister of West Bengal,
00:25:28which means whoever resides in West Bengal,
00:25:32it is her responsibility to protect
00:25:34every single one of them.
00:25:37But no, her appeasement policy
00:25:39has crossed all limits, Gaurav.
00:25:41She's the one who has instigated this.
00:25:43She wants to sit with the Maulanas.
00:25:45That is, there's no problem.
00:25:46But now she is basically being a hypocrite.
00:25:49She has done her divide and rule politics.
00:25:52And this is the result,
00:25:53what you're showing on television.
00:25:54What you're showing are the police bikes,
00:25:56which are on carnage there.
00:25:58The police are made to stand by.
00:26:00If you heard, I think the day before yesterday,
00:26:02BG of police,
00:26:04he is supposed to give confidence to the people.
00:26:07But no, he is conducting some kind of press confidence
00:26:09and he's not sure what to say
00:26:12because the police minister,
00:26:13who is also the chief minister,
00:26:15has not clearly instructed you,
00:26:17you know, the police is supposed to act.
00:26:19So police stand by.
00:26:20There you go.
00:26:21That's a police vehicle.
00:26:22Now, the chief minister is singularly responsible, Gaurav.
00:26:27She and only she and her party
00:26:29is responsible for the way Bengal is burning today.
00:26:32And mind you, Gaurav,
00:26:33it is not only Murshidabad now.
00:26:35Like I said, it has been Malda,
00:26:37it has been Murshidrat,
00:26:38it has been Khani.
00:26:40Yesterday, it was Bangor.
00:26:41In Kolkata, the capital of West Bengal,
00:26:45Siti Kula Chowdhury assembles all the world's Muslims
00:26:48and he says on a public forum
00:26:50that the chief minister has congratulated him
00:26:52saying that what a fantastic show of strength of Muslims.
00:26:56Is this the state that is destined
00:26:58for Dr. Shama Prashad Mukherjee's Bengal,
00:27:01the Bengal that he sees from East Pakistan in 1952?
00:27:06Is this the destiny of the Hindu Bengalis?
00:27:08Is this what is supposed to happen to us in future?
00:27:12This is what…
00:27:13She is singularly responsible for all this.
00:27:15She is singularly responsible for all this.
00:27:18You know, I will never tire of saying this.
00:27:20Stay with me for a moment.
00:27:22I want to bring in Dr. Vikram Singh
00:27:23into this conversation once again.
00:27:25Sir, is there merit then on Uttar Pradesh
00:27:26chief minister, Yogi Adityanath saying
00:27:29when it comes to the writers,
00:27:30when it comes to the troublemakers,
00:27:32where are the people who are the people who are talking about?
00:27:34Writers need to be dealt with an iron hand.
00:27:38And in Bengal, in your experience as a police officer,
00:27:42do you see that happening?
00:27:43Or is that not happening, sir?
00:27:45Gaurav ji, Yogi Adityanath ji,
00:27:47what he has said is logically, morally
00:27:49and legally absolutely correct.
00:27:51And this is exactly the treatment
00:27:53that has to be given writers,
00:27:54not only in West Bengal,
00:27:55but right across as in Sambal and elsewhere.
00:27:58Had there been this level of appeasement,
00:28:00you can well understand what the situation would be.
00:28:02And I would say that what he has said,
00:28:04the words of profound wisdom
00:28:05need to be replicated and implemented faithfully.
00:28:08And Rasteshad, I can tell you,
00:28:10within 24 hours,
00:28:11West Bengal would be in absolute control
00:28:14of the situation
00:28:15and the writers will just disappear into thin air.
00:28:18As of now, it seems, Gaurav ji,
00:28:20no action is being taken.
00:28:21To the contrary, their morale is sky-high.
00:28:23The matter in which they come,
00:28:24they fell stones,
00:28:25throw Molotov cocktails,
00:28:27attack the police.
00:28:28They are absolutely acting with impunity.
00:28:31And just look at the dress
00:28:32and the diviner
00:28:33and the collection of the brickbats.
00:28:35You can very well see for yourself
00:28:37that they are armed to the teeth.
00:28:39They are not scared of anything.
00:28:40And the police is just looking the other way.
00:28:42Absolutely.
00:28:42Shatharupa wants to quickly respond.
00:28:46I think we are unable to link up
00:28:48with Monajit Mandal,
00:28:48but we will try in a moment.
00:28:50But Dr. Shatharupa, respond.
00:28:51Yeah, Gaurav, I completely agree with Vikram ji.
00:28:55What Yogi Adityanad has said in one line,
00:28:59he said that Bengal is the land of Shami Divya Kanando,
00:29:03who went and spoke about Hinduism
00:29:05being the universal religion of tolerance.
00:29:08And we are made to tolerate beyond our limits.
00:29:12Just see the instigation
00:29:13that the chief minister has been constantly doing.
00:29:16We've had to call in the central forces.
00:29:18It is the leader of opposition
00:29:19and the state president who had to file a case
00:29:21in the high court
00:29:22so that we could get in the central forces.
00:29:25And it is after the central forces entered,
00:29:28you will see several footages
00:29:29which have not been released by BJP.
00:29:32This is your television media,
00:29:34your channels who have gone and spoken to the people
00:29:36who are ravaged, rampaged, vandalized.
00:29:40They are the ones who are saying
00:29:41BSF humara bhagwaan hai.
00:29:43That is the way BSF is looked at.
00:29:45And this state government
00:29:47this ridiculous state government
00:29:48is blaming BSF.
00:29:50They go into character assassination
00:29:52of this valiant armed forces
00:29:55which is so valiantly guarding our borders
00:29:58because the state government is not doing anything.
00:30:01And they want the infiltrators to come in.
00:30:03You will know very well, Gaurav,
00:30:05being in India today,
00:30:07you are the kind of responsible channel that you are,
00:30:09that there is a major connection of SDPI,
00:30:13SDPI,
00:30:14which is,
00:30:14which is,
00:30:15which is,
00:30:15which is in these riots.
00:30:17Now,
00:30:17where did SDPI come from?
00:30:19It is Mahmouda Manerji
00:30:20who is constantly in touch
00:30:22with these kind of people.
00:30:24And that is why
00:30:25our leader of opposition
00:30:26and the state president,
00:30:28who comes to Mahmouda,
00:30:29has very categorically stated
00:30:30that we are in a second rerun
00:30:32of a Jinnah state.
00:30:34That's a very,
00:30:35very dangerous situation
00:30:37and a dangerous statement
00:30:38and a big statement
00:30:39that has been made.
00:30:41Dr. Shatrupa and Dr. Vikram Singh
00:30:42for joining me here on India today.
00:30:44Many thanks.
00:30:45We will track developments
00:30:46in Bengal
00:30:47very closely.
00:30:49And if the SDPI
00:30:50or elements within the SDPI
00:30:52are involved in this,
00:30:53the question remains,
00:30:55what action is being taken
00:30:57or will be taken
00:30:58in the times ahead?
00:30:59PFI was banned.
00:31:00SIMI,
00:31:01the Students Islamic Movement
00:31:02of India was banned.
00:31:03Why was SDPI spared
00:31:05or will SDPI be next in line
00:31:08with evidence?
00:31:10We'll track that story.
00:31:11I want to now move forward
00:31:12to another disturbing story
00:31:14from Bengal.
00:31:14I want to take you to Tamil Nadu.
00:31:16It's an absolutely
00:31:16bizarre situation
00:31:18that's emerging
00:31:19from Tamil Nadu.
00:31:20Now,
00:31:21after Thiru Chendurai,
00:31:22the Tamil Nadu
00:31:23Vakf board
00:31:24has now declared
00:31:25Kattu Kolai village
00:31:27and Kattu Kolai village
00:31:28in Villaur,
00:31:29an entire village
00:31:31has been declared
00:31:32as Vakf property
00:31:33by the Vakf
00:31:34in Tamil Nadu.
00:31:35So,
00:31:36more than 150 families
00:31:38have received
00:31:39eviction notice
00:31:40from the Vakf board.
00:31:42Villagers say
00:31:43that their ancestral land
00:31:45is being grabbed
00:31:46in the name
00:31:47of being a Vakf property.
00:31:49You recall,
00:31:50earlier,
00:31:51there was a
00:31:511,500-year-old
00:31:53Chola-era temple
00:31:55that was also claimed
00:31:57by the Vakf board
00:31:58as Vakf property.
00:32:00A 1,500-year-old temple
00:32:02they claimed
00:32:02was on Vakf property.
00:32:04Tamil Nadu
00:32:05Congress,
00:32:05MLA,
00:32:06has now assured
00:32:06that there will be
00:32:07no eviction
00:32:08of people
00:32:09that will not be permitted.
00:32:11However,
00:32:12he said that
00:32:12once a property
00:32:13is registered
00:32:14as Vakf property,
00:32:15it will remain
00:32:16as Vakf property.
00:32:17He claims properties
00:32:18can be claimed
00:32:18by the Vakf board
00:32:19once relevant documents
00:32:22have been found.
00:32:24According to the newly
00:32:25passed Vakf amendment law,
00:32:28the Vakf board
00:32:29no longer has
00:32:29unilateral power
00:32:30to declare any land
00:32:32as Vakf land.
00:32:33Now,
00:32:33any such claim
00:32:34requires to be approved
00:32:35and documents shown
00:32:38in public domain
00:32:39and all documents
00:32:40need to be now
00:32:41put up online.
00:32:42also,
00:32:44if there is a dispute,
00:32:45that dispute
00:32:46must be settled
00:32:47before any land
00:32:48is declared
00:32:49as Vakf land
00:32:50and only a practicing Muslim,
00:32:53someone who is converted
00:32:54to Islam
00:32:55has to be a practicing Muslim
00:32:56for at least five years
00:32:58who can donate
00:32:58his self-owned,
00:33:00his or her self-owned property
00:33:01to the Vakf.
00:33:03The new law
00:33:03is aimed at protecting
00:33:05public land,
00:33:06tribal land
00:33:07or in this instance
00:33:08perhaps village land.
00:33:10There have to be documents
00:33:11that the Vakf
00:33:12will have to produce
00:33:12to claim
00:33:13that this is Vakf property
00:33:15or will illegal claims
00:33:18continue to be entertained?
00:33:19That remains
00:33:20the big question.
00:33:21Imagine someone
00:33:24knocks on your door
00:33:25and tells you
00:33:26that your house,
00:33:27your land
00:33:28no longer belong to you.
00:33:30You'd feel anxious,
00:33:31you'll feel confused,
00:33:33you'll feel angry,
00:33:34wondering
00:33:34how is this even possible?
00:33:36Well,
00:33:37that's exactly
00:33:38what's happening
00:33:38with 150 families
00:33:40in a village
00:33:41near Velour.
00:33:43A man named
00:33:44Syed Ali Sultan
00:33:45who is a caretaker
00:33:46of a nearby mosque
00:33:47has issued notices
00:33:49to the villagers
00:33:50over here
00:33:50asking them
00:33:51to either
00:33:52vacate their land,
00:33:53their houses
00:33:54that they have lived on
00:33:56for over four generations
00:33:57or they start
00:33:59paying tax
00:34:00to a nearby dharga
00:34:01because according to him
00:34:03this whole land
00:34:04in this village
00:34:05belongs to the dharga
00:34:07thanks to the Vakf Act.
00:34:08Basically what she's saying
00:34:35is that the electricity board
00:34:37has refused to supply
00:34:38electricity to their houses
00:34:40by citing that
00:34:41they need to obtain
00:34:42a permission
00:34:43from a certain someone
00:34:44who claims that
00:34:45this land belongs to him.
00:34:48That's the dharga.
00:34:49So they are saying
00:34:50that electricity supply
00:34:52to their houses
00:34:53has been cut off
00:34:54because of this whole land
00:34:56being claimed
00:34:56by Mr. Syed Ali Sultan
00:34:58who claims that
00:34:59this belongs to
00:35:00a nearby dharga.
00:35:01You know,
00:35:01what's truly disappointing
00:35:03is the fact that
00:35:03the 150 families over here
00:35:05who have been living
00:35:07for over four generations
00:35:08and we have proof,
00:35:10enough proof
00:35:11to even corroborate that.
00:35:12There are tax receipts
00:35:13that was paid
00:35:14to a panchayat
00:35:15to prove that
00:35:16they have been living here
00:35:18for ages now
00:35:19and yet
00:35:20till today
00:35:21they have to prove
00:35:22their right
00:35:23to live in this land.
00:35:24Their own land,
00:35:25their own property
00:35:26till today
00:35:27they need to prove
00:35:27their right
00:35:28to live here.
00:35:29Truly disappointing
00:35:30and one can only
00:35:31imagine the kind
00:35:32of anxiety
00:35:33and anger
00:35:34all these residents
00:35:35here must be
00:35:35going through.
00:35:37With Camera President
00:35:37Daniel Anagar Keshiv
00:35:39reporting for India
00:35:40today from Vellur.
00:35:41We have a lot of
00:36:10Informations.
00:36:40That land belongs to our work, how I am saying this one means, so from 1954, actually it
00:36:50was gazetted in 1959, so in that itself they have given clearly that what are all the properties
00:36:56belongs to our work fund, so we have all the documents for that, and even till now, if
00:37:01you see the government records, which means if you take VO records or from the district
00:37:07records, if you take, and it says that it belongs to our Dargavakh, and one more thing, if you
00:37:16take the Patachita something, if you want to take means through online also, you can able
00:37:22to see that it belongs to our work, so that is one reason I am claiming that.
00:37:27The union government is not taking proper care of the Tamil Nadu government, and they have
00:37:30been always sending bad messages about Tamil Nadu government using their governors and other
00:37:35people, see this is not the way they handle the government, the government is functioning
00:37:39properly, there is a democratic way of functioning of governments, which the union government
00:37:44is not understanding, the union government thinks every government should be under them,
00:37:48under their control, see which is not happening.
00:37:51They have been putting us on financial emergency, they have been putting us in financial crisis,
00:37:55they are not releasing our funds, they are trying to make us, you know, get loans from
00:38:00World Bank, get loans from other banks, and run our government, which will eventually put
00:38:04us on at depth.
00:38:05They should fund us actually, which they are not doing.
00:38:07So we will have to try, ask for an autonomy of, you know, the rule in the government so
00:38:12that we can at least take care of ourselves.
00:38:13There's no regular rules in this, proper documents in the work board, how it is managing everything,
00:38:23we don't know.
00:38:24Just like that, they say some area that it belongs to work board.
00:38:30There's no proper documents or any legal documents regarding the work board.
00:38:37They also don't have any accounts about the work board property, because everything will
00:38:43be solved only by this.
00:38:48And India today's Anagha Keshav now joins us from Velour, from this village where the
00:38:54work board has claimed that entire village land, and farmers and residents of this village
00:39:00are up in arms.
00:39:01I want to bring in Anagha for more into this, for more on this conversation.
00:39:04So Anagha, Vaqf doesn't have any documents to say that that entire village and how big is
00:39:12this village, how much land is this and on what basis are they claiming this is Vaqf land?
00:39:19Well, Gaurav, the Vaqf board where we had a word with them, they said that they have
00:39:25all the documents to corroborate that they had acquired that particular land in the year
00:39:291954.
00:39:30And if required, they say that they will even approach the High Court to get their land back.
00:39:36They are saying that all that we need is a land rent to be paid to us, because it's our
00:39:41land that the residents are living in right now.
00:39:44They've built houses on our Vaqf property.
00:39:46So, we are not asking them to vacate, but what we need is a certain sum.
00:39:51It's a certain land rent that should be paid to us, is what the Dargah and the Masjid caretaker
00:39:57Syed Saddam says.
00:39:58And he even said that he is going to issue another such notice.
00:40:01If there is no such response, then the third step would be knocking the doors of High Court,
00:40:07is what the Vaqf says.
00:40:08Meanwhile, the residents, they say that they have been living in that land for years now.
00:40:13Till now, nobody had asked them for any sort of fees or any sort of land rent.
00:40:18So, now all of a sudden, the Vaqf comes knocking on their doors and is asking us for money.
00:40:24Just, you know, it's just taken us aback, is what the residents are saying.
00:40:28What has the district administration said?
00:40:30They did approach the district collector.
00:40:31Were all these houses, were all these horses, no, respond to this please.
00:40:35Were all these houses built post-1954?
00:40:38Was that Vaqf land, barren land before 1954?
00:40:41On what basis are they saying that this land came to us in 1954?
00:40:45What is the administration saying?
00:40:47Well, the Vaqf says that when they acquired that particular land in the year 1954, it was a barren land.
00:40:58But it was in the year 1991 when people started building houses on a property that was allegedly the Vaqf.
00:41:05So, they say that when we purchased it, it was a barren land, but cut to a few years later in the year 1991,
00:41:12people came in and started building houses and not even giving us the land rent for it is what the Vaqf is claiming.
00:41:17Of course, the district revenue officer at this point is probing this matter,
00:41:21trying to really find out how the Vaqf acquired this particular property in the first place.
00:41:27Was it acquired through legal means, did they pay for it or did somebody give it as a charity to the Vox?
00:41:34All these angles are being probed by the district revenue officer.
00:41:39Meanwhile, the district collector, she has given some sort of respite to the residents by saying that they need not pay any sort of land rent to anyone
00:41:47because they have been living here for several decades and they will continue to live so and no such land rent is required,
00:41:54you know, is what the district collector says.
00:41:57But the dispute, Gaurav, still lingers as to who the land really belongs to.
00:42:02Does it belong to the Vaqf or does it belong to the government and to the residents?
00:42:07You know, this question, this dispute is still lingering.
00:42:10Keep tracking that story Anaga, I will come back to you for more.
00:42:13But I want to quickly move from Velour, I want to take you to Bengaluru
00:42:17and it's a very disturbing case of moral policing that's emerged from Devangere in Karnataka.
00:42:24Moral policing of a young Muslim woman.
00:42:27Watch these images.
00:42:28She was harassed in a park in Devangere by a group of individuals for being seen with a Hindu male companion.
00:42:36So while filming this on mobile phone, a man reaches out and forcibly in a way that forces the girl to remove her burqa and demands to know her name.
00:42:51Watch these images.
00:42:52He questions the boy.
00:42:54Why is he dating a Muslim girl?
00:42:56He mocks the burqa as a Muslim attire and sarcastically suggests that if she wants to date a Hindu man, she shouldn't be wearing a burqa.
00:43:05He then threatens the two claiming the gang is on their way to confront them.
00:43:11Listen in to what transpired.
00:43:15Men have in their hand, Muslims don't allow this.
00:43:29Say those people remove the burqa, show us your face and they're forcibly holding her hand, bringing her to the center of where a group have surrounded her.
00:43:40I want to bring in India today, Sagai Raj for more on the story.
00:43:51Sagai, what more do we know of this incident?
00:43:54Has any action been taken?
00:43:57Because this is a big group we are told.
00:43:59The police took some men into custody.
00:44:02But what is the latest when it comes to developments in this case, Sagai Raj?
00:44:06The police initially was trying to examine where was the video from.
00:44:19And the police got the clue that was from Chandigiri Talok in Daavadigiri district.
00:44:24They immediately acted on it.
00:44:26And they found out the culprits in this particular video and arrested them.
00:44:30And a section, they were arrested in the various sections of BNS.
00:44:35And if you notice from this particular video, you can see that a woman was attacked using sticks.
00:44:40And thereafter, a person even tries to throw a huge stone holder and try to kill.
00:44:45And these kind of incidents we have seen in countries like Afghanistan and other places.
00:44:50And it is quite shocking that this particular video emerged.
00:44:53And imagine that the entire episode unfolded outside a mosque.
00:44:57Because the husband has complained inside a mosque with a cleric.
00:45:01And thereafter, everybody gathered outside.
00:45:04And they tried to punish her outside the mosque by assaulting her.
00:45:08And they even took a big stone to throw on her to kill her.
00:45:13Shocking, shocking.
00:45:15And are the police taking action against whoever carried out this Taliban kind of justice?
00:45:22Is it just perfunctory action?
00:45:24Is this proper action that will ensure that such incidents?
00:45:28You know, you may watch it in Swat in Pakistan.
00:45:31You may watch it in Afghanistan.
00:45:33But if you are watching it in Karnataka, it just sounds very, very shocking, Sagai.
00:45:44Absolutely.
00:45:45But the police here in Karnataka have followed the rules of Indian Penal Court.
00:45:49And that is the reason they have booked all the accused according to BNS sections.
00:45:52And they have been arrested and sent to judicial custody.
00:45:55There are various sections which have been booked against six accused involved in the assault and attempt to murder on this particular woman.
00:46:03And remember that the husband have filed a complaint with a cleric inside the mosque stating that she is with another man in the house.
00:46:10And he didn't even bother to investigate.
00:46:12He didn't even bother to talk to her much before they could even do that.
00:46:16They come to a conclusion and they try to assault the woman as well as try to kill her.
00:46:20Okay?
00:46:21Keep tracking that story.
00:46:22I will come back to you for more.
00:46:23There's breaking news that's coming in from the Sri Ram Janma Bhoomi in Ayodhya.
00:46:29I quickly want to cut across to that big story that's breaking.
00:46:32So there is apparently a bomb threat that's been issued to the Sri Ram Janma Bhoomi Teert Kshetra.
00:46:40Information that we are getting, Ram Mandir bomb threat and this threat has been emailed to the trust that manages the Sri Ram Janma Bhoomi Teert Kshetra.
00:46:52The email says increase the temple security.
00:46:56The Ram Mandir has filed an FIR at the Kotwali at the police station in Ayodhya.
00:47:02And the Uttar Pradesh cyber cell has initiated an investigation into the source of this email.
00:47:09The police say they've traced the email to Tamil Nadu and that's not the only email.
00:47:15Apparently, there are some emails that have also been sent to some district magistrates in different districts of Uttar Pradesh saying that the collectorate will also be targeted.
00:47:26I quickly want to cut across to Lucknow and bring in India today's Santosh Sharma for more on the story.
00:47:33Santosh, what more do we know about the cyber cell investigations into this case?
00:47:39And do we have the contents of that email threatening to bomb the Sri Ram Janma Bhoomi?
00:47:44Definitely, the mail sent it to the Ram Junk Janma Bhoomi Teert Trust received and after that a fire has been lost by the chief office holder at Ayodhya Cyber Cell and the investigation is going on.
00:48:01The investigation says that the mail sent was from Tamil Nadu and they are tracing the IP address of the mail by which the mail was sent.
00:48:12The primary investigation says that this mail was having a language that increased the security and otherwise the major consequences or there will be a big explosion at the Ram Mandir.
00:48:26This was the language of the mail sent to the Ram Mandir Trust. And beside that, beside Ayodhya, many more Barabanki and Chandali districts and many more districts magistrates also received such mail that there will be exclusion in their collected area in the district administration buildings today.
00:48:46So, there is a chain of mails received not only by Ayodhya, Ram Mandir Trust, even the district administration of Kambal, Barabanki and many more districts chiefs have also received such type of that mail.
00:49:02The Cyber Cell is investigating and beyond that, the central agencies are also having a key vigil on this whole incident.
00:49:10Keep tracking that story. I will come back to you for more. Santosh for the moment, many thanks.
00:49:17And news just coming in, the enforcement directorate has filed its charge sheet against senior Congress leaders Sonia Gandhi and leader of opposition in Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi in the National Herald case.
00:49:31It's a case of money laundering that was filed against the case. It's a case of money laundering that was filed against them and the enforcement directorate has filed its charge sheet.
00:49:38The ED has filed its charge sheet. The ED has filed a prosecution complaint in the Delhi's Rouse Avenue court against Congress MPs Rahul Gandhi, leader of opposition in Lok Sabha and Communist Party MP in Rajya Sabha, Sonia Gandhi and also Indian Overseas Congress Chief Sam Petroda in the National Herald money laundering case.
00:50:00The chart sheet also names former senior journalist Suman Dubey amongst others. The court has scheduled the hearing of cognizance arguments for the 25th of April. Big story, big story coming in.
00:50:20The enforcement directorate has filed its charge sheet. The enforcement directorate has filed its charge sheet and we'll get you details of that in just a moment.
00:50:27So, a charge sheet that has now been filed in the National Herald case, in that money laundering case against Sonia Gandhi, Congress MP in Rajya Sabha, Rahul Gandhi, leader of opposition in the Lok Sabha.
00:50:41And this is a money laundering case that has been filed, a link to the National Herald case. The enforcement directorate has filed a prosecution complaint in Delhi's Rouse Avenue court against both Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi and also against Indian Overseas Congress Chief Sam Petroda in this money laundering case.
00:51:00The chart sheet also names Suman Dubey and others. Now, this case has been scheduled for hearing for cognizance for the 25th of April.
00:51:09And I quickly want to cut across to India today's Munish Pandey for more on the story. Munish, bring us details of the chart sheet in this case.
00:51:17Well, Gaurav, at this point of time, what we are hearing is that a chart sheet has been filed in the National Herald case. And remember, Gaurav, why this chart sheet is important because in this case, Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi both were questioned by the enforcement directorate.
00:51:34Their statements were recorded and several properties linked to National Herald were, you know, even searched by the enforcement directorate.
00:51:43What is more important is, Gaurav, at this point of time, is to mention that these properties are worth more than 2,000 crore rupees.
00:51:52And according to the enforcement directorate, during the investigation, they found that these three properties, one, the National Herald house in Delhi and their property in Mumbai and the third property in Lucknow.
00:52:03These properties were, you know, being used by Young India linked to Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi and they had paid only 50 lakh rupees and technically they were using these properties worth more than 2,000 crore rupees.
00:52:19Recent development is that the ED has already started possession of these properties, which means that these properties, the National Herald house and the two properties belonging to National Herald in Lucknow and Mumbai.
00:52:32These properties will be taken over by the enforcement directorate.
00:52:37So it's a huge development as far as this case is concerned.
00:52:40Remember, Gaurav and Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi both were questioned by the enforcement directorate.
00:52:46In this case, you know, there were far reaching political implications.
00:52:50There were Congress leaders across the country who came on street and they were alleging that this is nothing but a political vendetta by the Bharti Janata Party, by the center.
00:53:01But right now, what is important here is that a charge sheet has been filed, which means that the next stage of case is going to be trial in the case in which Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi have been named as accused in the case.
00:53:15So certain allegations were made, certain investigation has been carried out by the enforcement directorate on the basis of which a charge sheet has now been filed.
00:53:24Your sources in the enforcement directorate, what is the corroborative evidence that they were able to gather because all of this to a very large extent had been very carefully documented by Dr. Subramaniam Swamy and certain others.
00:53:39Of course, there was an independent investigation by the enforcement directorate too. So what have they been able to, what have your sources been able to tell you?
00:53:46Well, Gaurav, remember in this case the investigation by the enforcement directorate started after a court order in which National Herald and people linked to National Herald were named as accused.
00:54:00Now, the main allegation was by Dr. Subramaniam Swamy and based on those allegations, ED started investigation in this particular case.
00:54:09During the investigation, there were several statements recorded by the enforcement directorate. There were several documents which were recovered by the enforcement directorate during the investigation of the case.
00:54:22The important, one important document was regarding Young India in which, you know, merely 50 lakh rupees was paid to technically take over the position of these properties,
00:54:34which means that the rent, these properties were generating, you know, worth more than 2,000 crore. All those, you know, all those rents were coming in the account of Young India.
00:54:46And Young India had its directors like Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi. And that is why the ED earlier decided to, you know, record statements of Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi.
00:54:59Remember, Rahul Gandhi was called in by the enforcement directorate. For five days even Sonia Gandhi was called in by the enforcement directorate.
00:55:07Their statements were recorded. But the ED finally concluded that indeed Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi are ultimate beneficiaries of National Herald properties.
00:55:18And that is why when the charge sheet has been filed, which in technical language is a prosecution complaint, this charge sheet has been filed naming Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi.
00:55:28And it is going to be extremely important as far as the case is concerned, but it will have far reaching political implications.
00:55:35Because remember, the Congress party has been alleging that this is nothing but political band data.
00:55:41But as far as ED is concerned, they are maintaining that they have, you know, evidence in the case.
00:55:47And based on the evidence, they have filed this charge sheet.
00:55:50You know, this is a very big case and for the benefit of viewers joining us, this is a case that's been on since 2014.
00:55:58It was in 2014 that a Delhi trial court had found prima facie evidence and summoned Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and several others,
00:56:07including Motilal Vora, Oscar Fernandez, Suman Dube, Sam Petroda.
00:56:13Now, Rashid Albi joins me, senior Congress leader, Rashid Albi joins me on this broadcast.
00:56:18Rashid Albi, now that the case has been filed, ED has filed his charge sheet against Congress leaders, Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi in this money laundering case.
00:56:27How will the Congress respond to this, sir?
00:56:30It's been a very, very long time.
00:56:32It is going on.
00:56:34And it's totally revengeful.
00:56:37Motilal Vora, they have filed charge sheet against Motilal Vora.
00:56:41Whether he will take out from grave or what.
00:56:44They have filed charge sheet against Oscar Fernandez.
00:56:47Where is Oscar Fernandez?
00:56:49From where he will bring before the court?
00:56:52It is all revengeful.
00:56:54Basically, Bharati Janata Party, they are scared of Gandhi Parivar and Congress Party.
00:57:02They have this strong feeling it is only Congress Party which is an alternative to Bharati Janata Party and may form the commit.
00:57:09That is the reason revengefully they are doing all this.
00:57:14What the was summoned?
00:57:16His case was in 2008 after 17 years.
00:57:22You are summoning him after 17 years.
00:57:25You have no evidence, no proof.
00:57:28Okay.
00:57:29For just you are defaming this Gandhi family.
00:57:32Nothing else.
00:57:33Sir, stay with me.
00:57:34I have Nalin Kohli joining me on this broadcast.
00:57:37An advocate himself.
00:57:38Spokesperson of the BJP.
00:57:40Senior advocate Nalin Kohli.
00:57:42Congress says this is BJP using the ED to tarnish the image of the Congress Party leadership.
00:57:48And this is vendetta politics, sir.
00:57:51That's an expected sort of reaction coming from the Congress Party, Rahul.
00:57:58In fairness, we need to go back to the merits of the case.
00:58:02The National Herald matter involves the takeover of the National Herald by a company called or a trust called Young Indians.
00:58:12Broadly, the entire assets shifted for a paltry sum to the control of the Nehru Gandhi family.
00:58:17If I recall correctly, the Nehru Gandhi family with Sonia Gandhi and others are possibly out on bail.
00:58:27Several related issues also, they did not get any legal sort of benefit because, after all, the matter had gone on before the Congress, before the income tax also.
00:58:38So, the answer lies in the merits of the case, rather than just simply coming up with a statement that this is vendetta politics.
00:58:47Secondly, if a charge sheet is filed by due process, it will now go before a court.
00:58:54The court will then look at whether charges need to be framed, take cognizance of it.
00:58:58And that would be an opportunity for them to be able to, legally, point out, is there enough material that cognizance of the charges should not be taken?
00:59:08But given the history and what is in the public domain, that is something while due process of court will decide on it,
00:59:15certainly there are some several very difficult questions that they need to answer.
00:59:19Okay.
00:59:20And I don't think just a bold statement of saying this is vendetta politics in its use of ED would suffice.
00:59:26Okay.
00:59:27Sir, stay on with me, Rashid Alvi.
00:59:29On facts and on merits, will the Congress respond on facts and merits either in the political domain or in courts of law or will keep it restricted as Nalin Kohli of the BJP says?
00:59:41It's just a bold statement saying that this is vendetta politics.
00:59:45There is, there is a sense that the BJP claims or the ED in its chart sheet.
00:59:51If there is evidence, it has to be argued out in court, Rashid Alvi.
00:59:56Even the child of this country knows this very fact.
01:00:01ED is working under the pressure of Bharti Jandapan.
01:00:05Just, I want to ask, Kori Shah, you just let me know.
01:00:09If after 10 years, Gandhi family comes out clean from court, then who will be responsible for this 10 years?
01:00:19Charge sheet is fine. It is all right.
01:00:22But who will be responsible during these 10 years?
01:00:26You are continuously defaming a family.
01:00:29Continuously you are defaming Congress party.
01:00:33Just on the basis of baseless documents, baseless evidence.
01:00:39If they come out cleanly from the court, then who will pay for this 10 years?
01:00:47Whether media will decide who is wrong, who is right, or court will decide.
01:00:51If you are so serious, don't give any funds.
01:00:54Mr. Kohli, you want to quickly respond?
01:00:56Mr. Kohli, you want to quickly respond? Go on, sir.
01:00:58Thank you, Rahul.
01:00:59First, Rashid Alvi Sahib is a very senior political person.
01:01:04I respect him enormously.
01:01:06And Alvi Sahib has, of course, held political positions too.
01:01:09But with respect, I would like to just point out that in law, none of his arguments would work.
01:01:15First, he has said that the ED works under the BJP.
01:01:19The ED, or the Enforcement Directory, is an investigative agency working under the government.
01:01:24Not the BJP. The BJP as a political entity does not have an investigative arm.
01:01:29Number two, the ED has to prove its case in court.
01:01:33It is not as if they have decided something.
01:01:35They also understand, as any investigative agency, if they file a charge sheet,
01:01:39they have to now be able to defend that charge sheet.
01:01:42Which is what gives them, the Congress party and its leadership, an opportunity
01:01:46to be able to say that this is right or wrong.
01:01:48But if the court takes cognizance, you can't blame then the ED or anyone.
01:01:52That is due process of court.
01:01:54And again, whether it is Mrs. Sonia Gandhi, Rashid Alvi Sahib, you, me, any other citizen of the country,
01:02:00how can we say that due process of court will not apply to anyone just because of a political position
01:02:06or a legal position or something like that?
01:02:08Third, if after 10 years, which is a question he has raised, suppose they come out to be innocent.
01:02:13Now first, that is a suppose there is equally the possibility that the court may hold them to be guilty.
01:02:19Now what happens in that case?
01:02:22Would this argument be taken?
01:02:23No, no.
01:02:24Now that they are held to be guilty, at that time the Congress party said its political vendetta,
01:02:29so will the Congress party at that time apologize.
01:02:31So this is all unsupposed.
01:02:32It does not, how to say, stand in place to due process of law.
01:02:37And last and most important, if a matter takes 10 years before any court of law for all due process to get over,
01:02:44from a lower court to the high court to the Supreme Court, with due respect that is the legal process.
01:02:49How can someone turn around and say that it should be shortcut for X, Y, Z?
01:02:54Because that person is an important person in the understanding of, say, the Congress party.
01:02:59So I don't think these arguments will work.
01:03:01If the Congress party or the Nehru Gandhi family, Mrs. Gandhi, anyone, Mrs. Sonia Gandhi, believe they have a watertight case,
01:03:10then the first thing they would do is defend it wholesomely and probably seek, if the court does not, if the court does frame charges,
01:03:18then they would probably not like to take a single adjournment.
01:03:21They would like to probably argue it on a day-to-day basis so they can claim their name or clear their name.
01:03:27But on the other hand, if they start taking dates after dates and they are entitled to it for their defense,
01:03:33then they can't blame the court for the delay.
01:03:35That would be an unfair comment on the legal process.
01:03:38Rashid Alvi, the political points that you make, Nalin Koli says, do not hold good in a court of law.
01:03:44Court of law goes by evidence that's placed before them.
01:03:47And in case, he says, in case the Gandhis are not guilty, they wouldn't seek adjournment.
01:03:53They would want the case to be played out in court without a single adjournment, sir.
01:03:57Response, sir.
01:03:58No, I mean, you have respect, Koli sir.
01:04:01Koli sir is a very sincere and serious person.
01:04:05I mean, to one extent, I agree with him.
01:04:08Charge sheet is filed.
01:04:10And lawyers of enforcement direct it will argue in favor of charge sheet.
01:04:16But just you let me know, Koli sir.
01:04:19Ten years continuously, this will go on.
01:04:22Who is giving all this information?
01:04:25What ED is doing to the media?
01:04:28Definitely ED is giving all this information.
01:04:31Sir, now that a charge sheet has been out, India Today has accessed those documents.
01:04:35If you see the charge sheet details are there on India Today.
01:04:38It's just been filed in Rouse Avenue court.
01:04:40And India Today's Munish Pandey got that exclusive report first live and exclusive here on India Today.