Hollywood Demons Season 1 Episode 1 Stephen Collins, America's Dad

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00:00:00I want to talk about the stuff about Stephen, if you feel comfortable, if you feel like we can get started.

00:00:26Who is Stephen Collins?

00:00:30Stephen Collins, to me, is not only one of the finest actors, but one of the finest human beings in Hollywood.

00:00:41Stephen Collins has long been one of Hollywood's busiest actors.

00:00:44Do you remember the time when you met him?

00:00:45I only met him in casting.

00:00:47What was it like when you came in?

00:00:49He was exactly who I thought he would be.

00:00:53He was a father figure on the set.

00:00:54The last eight months, Seventh Heaven's been the top-rated show on the WV.

00:00:58It just showed me what I wanted to be when it came to being a professional actor and how you treat people and how you present yourself, too.

00:01:08That's why it was even more of a shock to hear, you know, what ended up happening.

00:01:14Stephen Collins was America's father.

00:01:17However, the lives you're watching on TV could not be less real.

00:01:21You don't have to believe everything you need.

00:01:24I can't say that working on Seventh Heaven was a very positive experience for me.

00:01:27The fact that he was on a show with a bunch of children really concerned me.

00:01:33You said this one's another girl.

00:01:35I've never told this story.

00:01:36Are you okay telling it?

00:01:37I need people to hear this.

00:01:39Not many things are rarely just black and white.

00:01:43Stephen, over here, please.

00:01:44The shades of grey are where the story is.

00:01:47Sometimes the biggest monsters have the prettiest faces.

00:01:51How many girls all together?

00:01:56David, one down here on your left.

00:02:01Thank you very much.

00:02:05Are you sure?

00:02:07Yes.

00:02:07I've been in this business for 33, 34 years now.

00:02:20So finding myself in Hollywood in the 90s was, it was quite a ride.

00:02:25Basically, I just, I love watching television still today.

00:02:28And I never thought I'd end up working with all those people who did those shows, but I did.

00:02:32I was 17 years old when my mom and I drove out to Los Angeles.

00:02:36And I had some good experiences, and I had some not so good experiences.

00:02:39I would still use Stephen Collins as my benchmark on how you should handle yourself on set.

00:02:45But after the news, it kind of almost made me question my own judgment.

00:03:00The only ones who've ever worked with him that we are able to interview, they're all guys.

00:03:05They're all the men.

00:03:07Well, the fact that the women don't want to talk about it, to me, I think it's probably more a sign of how mixed their feelings are.

00:03:13They probably had a deep affection for him, and they're conflicted in terms of trying to understand how they can have such an affection for a monster.

00:03:20Let's be fair.

00:03:23Stephen Collins, I actually share a heritage with.

00:03:26I also went to Amherst College.

00:03:28You have to be a very bright person to have gone to that college.

00:03:31And he went into an acting career, much to the chagrin of his family.

00:03:35I knew Stephen because I first saw him on the screen from All the President's Men.

00:03:43He's in these scenes with these two guys, one named Robert Redford, one named Dustin Hoffman.

00:03:48And all you're doing is looking at Steve.

00:03:50He had this intensity of a whisper.

00:03:53Tell me, put it this way.

00:03:55I would have no problems if you wrote a story like that.

00:03:57I remember watching Stephen and saying, who is this guy?

00:04:01We'd never seen him before.

00:04:02I wanted to meet him.

00:04:04And then the magic year of 1979, they made Star Trek a motion picture.

00:04:10I was working on that film, and this character starts to walk towards us.

00:04:15And when I get closer, it's Steve Collins.

00:04:17And we became very, very close friends.

00:04:19He gets all the hugs.

00:04:20Back then, if you got a big role, for example, in a movie like Star Trek, that can catapult you forever.

00:04:33Stephen got a big part in a movie called The Proms.

00:04:36It was a tearjerker, an emotion, brilliant.

00:04:38And he was a jumping jack flash.

00:04:40Is he on some kind of medication?

00:04:42Not that I know of.

00:04:43Are you on some kind of medication?

00:04:45Marty!

00:04:46It was wonderful to see him.

00:04:47It became a breakout movie.

00:04:49He also landed a role on a big-budget ABC show.

00:04:54Tales of the Gold Monkey was really sort of what looked like a cheap takeoff of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

00:05:01In 1982, I was one of the writer-producers of Tales of the Gold Monkey.

00:05:06Steve Collins' character was named Jake Cutter, and he had been in The Flying Tigers.

00:05:11But now he has a grum and goose, and he goes off on adventures to different areas there.

00:05:17How did you land the part of Jake?

00:05:18My agent called one day, and I said, I just want to play a hero.

00:05:21That's the side of him that really attracted me to playing the part.

00:05:25In all the other shows, I did all these action shows.

00:05:27You always had the ingenue of the week.

00:05:29But in Gold Monkey, we didn't do that.

00:05:32But one episode, Steve, actually, he said, let's find a very strong way that I can fall in love.

00:05:40And so I came up with this character, and she was this remarkable French girl.

00:05:44And it was very difficult to find an actress for that part.

00:05:50Then Faye Grant walks in.

00:05:53We all went, you know, oh, my God, you know, she's come off the pages of my script.

00:05:58But at one point...

00:06:00I like you.

00:06:01Now, let me explain something about this scene.

00:06:03She goes...

00:06:04If you do not hold me, I'm afraid I will crumble into little pieces.

00:06:08And at that point, he grabs her.

00:06:10And I looked at Steve.

00:06:11This was not acting.

00:06:14He got a look on his face.

00:06:16It's the first time they hugged.

00:06:17First time they got that close.

00:06:18And he kind of started shaking a little.

00:06:22And cut.

00:06:24Cut.

00:06:25Cut.

00:06:27Finally, they released each other.

00:06:28And that was the moment.

00:06:30And Steve told me, after that hug, I realized, I'm going to marry that girl.

00:06:35At the time that Stephen Collins and Faye Grant met, he was 35, she was 25.

00:06:40Not a terrible age gap.

00:06:42He never talked much about his personal life at all.

00:06:45I actually didn't know until later that he had a first wife and that he had been divorced.

00:06:51This was something that was very private and personal to him.

00:06:58People loved the show right away.

00:07:02I found us in the gift shop, our own little gold monkey.

00:07:07Women loved it.

00:07:08Men loved it.

00:07:09And also, like, teeny bopper girls loved it.

00:07:15I grew up in a very small town in Oklahoma.

00:07:19We're not talking about a metropolis.

00:07:23There was one stoplight and one four-way stop sign.

00:07:27And TV was a great escape.

00:07:29And Tales of the Gold Monkey was a big deal.

00:07:31It was the fantasy escapism.

00:07:34Especially growing up in a small town,

00:07:37I want to be taken away into something totally, completely different.

00:07:40That it's not real life, that I don't live every day.

00:07:46In 1983, my aunt Cindy flew me to L.A. for the first time during spring break.

00:07:51Cindy was, at that time, at least the line producer for the premiere commercial director for a lot of years.

00:07:58She became an executive producer for Tony and Ridley Scott.

00:08:02And when I would say Cindy Akins, people knew who she was.

00:08:05When I got to come to L.A., I was excited about seeing new things

00:08:08and experiencing something that was completely different from what I grew up knowing.

00:08:14So, as soon as she picked me up from LAX, we went directly to the complex.

00:08:19And as we're walking up the steps into the courtyard,

00:08:22she pointed to the apartment that was catty-cornered to her and said,

00:08:27Stephen Collins lives there.

00:08:29She said Tales of the Gold Monkey.

00:08:31And that was not a show that I missed.

00:08:33And so to find out that he lived next door to my aunt, yes, I was absolutely starstruck.

00:08:40I remember wanting to get a headshot from him.

00:08:45When I knocked on the door and he opened the door,

00:08:47he was a tall, blonde-haired, blue-eyed god that was really nice and drove a sports car.

00:08:55There's the Polaroid that I posed with with Stephen.

00:08:59When Stephen Collins asked me where I was from and what I was doing there,

00:09:04he was very tuned in.

00:09:06It's almost an electric charge.

00:09:08Like, immediately, it's the lean in.

00:09:10It's the touch.

00:09:11It's the, I'm paying attention to you and nobody else on the planet exists.

00:09:15I mean, and as a very naive child, that becomes all-enveloping.

00:09:20I told him I was a big fan of the show and I asked him for a signed headshot.

00:09:26And he said that he would have his people get that to me.

00:09:29That felt good for a 13-year-old that had never met a movie star before.

00:09:33It was a big deal.

00:09:34So, the autograph he writes to April says,

00:09:39to April, come out and see us again sometime.

00:09:42And then he signs off with love.

00:09:45And for some reason, that was weird to me.

00:09:48I thought that was off-putting.

00:09:49Like, why would he say that?

00:09:51Why don't you just say, great to meet you.

00:09:53Be well.

00:09:54So, after that spring break, I had such a great time

00:10:00that Cindy had decided that I could spend the summer of 83 with her.

00:10:06So, this was me at 13, a complete goofball.

00:10:09And we've got Woody Woodpecker and the Hulk.

00:10:12We also went to the beach.

00:10:14That was, I think, my very first time playing in the ocean.

00:10:17Then we went to Disneyland, which was great.

00:10:20In the summer when I was staying with Cindy,

00:10:23she would go to work,

00:10:24and I just wanted to stay in the apartment.

00:10:28There weren't a lot of people that were around during the day.

00:10:33A couple of days into my trip,

00:10:34I was in the kitchen cooking.

00:10:38And the kitchen opens up with French doors

00:10:40into the private courtyard.

00:10:43So, I was inside, and I was in my nightgown,

00:10:46and I look up, and I see Stephen Collins.

00:10:53He was in the courtyard.

00:10:55He was going left to right.

00:10:58And he had a wad of clothes in his hands.

00:11:02And he was completely naked.

00:11:03Did I, did I just see that?

00:11:10Did I just see what I thought I saw?

00:11:12It was so jarring and so unexpected.

00:11:15I mean, I definitely saw him,

00:11:16and I know he saw me standing there.

00:11:19You might imagine that any 13-year-old seeing that

00:11:22would either scream or ask for help,

00:11:25but that tends not to be how people react.

00:11:28When people are in confusing situations,

00:11:30they freeze.

00:11:33Now, he was in the courtyard,

00:11:36and he walked from the vicinity of his apartment

00:11:38to where the washer and dryer was,

00:11:41carrying a load of laundry or rumpled clothes,

00:11:44and he was completely nude.

00:11:46Why in the world would he be going to wash clothes naked?

00:11:49I'm a former SVU detective.

00:11:55I like to work in child abuse

00:11:57because children are the real victims.

00:11:59They're pure, innocent children,

00:12:01and whatever happens to them is not their fault.

00:12:07In April Price's situation, that's a test to me.

00:12:11And I believe he wants to see what she's going to do.

00:12:14He wants to see if she's going to run away,

00:12:17she's going to be disgusted,

00:12:18she's going to tell everybody.

00:12:20It was just so abnormal and just so bizarre

00:12:22that I didn't really give it a lot of thought at the time.

00:12:27At the time, Stephen Collins was also dating this woman,

00:12:30Faye Grant.

00:12:32Faye was on one episode of Tales of the Gold Monkey.

00:12:34I remember her being on the show.

00:12:36She was young, and she was pretty, and she was blonde.

00:12:39She would show up,

00:12:40and then they would go into his apartment.

00:12:42He was in a committed, happy relationship, it seemed like,

00:12:45and she was gorgeous.

00:12:45So when he walked by,

00:12:49the sexual thing would not have come into my mind,

00:12:52because I knew that he had a girlfriend.

00:12:54I knew I was going to be in California for a long time,

00:13:03so I packed up my Atari.

00:13:05That is an old video system.

00:13:09I had brought the Atari with me.

00:13:11What I had forgotten was the connector,

00:13:13the AC adapter thing that went from the Atari to the TV.

00:13:16So my mom overnighted that so that we would have it,

00:13:19and I had no idea how to hook it up to a TV at that time.

00:13:24So once the UPS arrived with that adapter,

00:13:26I had the adapter in my hand,

00:13:28and Stephen Collins happened to be there.

00:13:30And I approached him, and I said,

00:13:33hey, do you happen to know how to hook up this Atari for me

00:13:38so I can play this?

00:13:39And he said, sure, he could do that.

00:13:41No problem.

00:13:43And he's in the living room in my aunt's apartment

00:13:46hooking up that Atari,

00:13:48and he turned around,

00:13:51and his jeans were completely open,

00:13:55and he's completely exposed.

00:14:03I mean, this poor girl is just setting up her gaming station,

00:14:07and to be exposed to someone

00:14:10who is expressing dominance and control

00:14:13with a sexual behavior,

00:14:15that is traumatizing.

00:14:19At this point, now I'm completely flustered.

00:14:24What do you, like, how do you react to that?

00:14:27What, what's the purpose of this?

00:14:30Why, why, why?

00:14:32All I know is I was supremely shocked,

00:14:36very uncomfortable,

00:14:38and still didn't want to insult him

00:14:41because he was kind to me and nice

00:14:43and doing me a favor.

00:14:45So I'm trying to look him in the face

00:14:48and have a conversation with him

00:14:50as if nothing was going on.

00:14:52He chit-chatted for a little bit

00:14:55and then left.

00:14:58Would you like to know why

00:14:59you shouldn't get into a strange car?

00:15:02Well, he could hurt you.

00:15:04This is the beginning of the 80s,

00:15:06so this is before a stranger danger, panic.

00:15:09How could you expect a 13-year-old

00:15:11to have the wherewithal

00:15:12to know when it's time to be rude?

00:15:14No one conditioned her for that.

00:15:15And he's famous,

00:15:18so why would he want to do anything bad to anybody?

00:15:21And while, you know, Stephen has a girlfriend,

00:15:23surely an adult would not cheat,

00:15:25and surely an adult would not be interested in a child.

00:15:28But those are assumptions that only children make.

00:15:30I never said anything,

00:15:33first of all,

00:15:35because we all know

00:15:36I wouldn't have been believed.

00:15:40I never said this before,

00:15:42but when I was four,

00:15:44I say it's an uncle,

00:15:45but it wasn't an uncle.

00:15:46They used to babysit me,

00:15:48and he would make me sit on his lap

00:15:50so that he could

00:15:51molest me.

00:15:54And

00:15:55I, of course, didn't like it.

00:16:01And I also remember one time

00:16:03when he basically said

00:16:06I could play with his

00:16:07if he could play with mine.

00:16:10And I remember

00:16:12telling the family

00:16:15that that had happened,

00:16:16and they didn't believe any of it.

00:16:19And I'll be honest,

00:16:20I spent a lot of years of my adult life

00:16:23thinking

00:16:23that trauma

00:16:25of that experience,

00:16:27and now you overlay

00:16:28what happened

00:16:29with Stephen Collins,

00:16:31who is a

00:16:32known actor,

00:16:34charismatic,

00:16:35gorgeous,

00:16:35all of these things,

00:16:37and you add

00:16:38those two traumas together.

00:16:42My response

00:16:43as an adult

00:16:45when I look back at it

00:16:46with me trying to, like,

00:16:48bury it and not say anything,

00:16:49there's reasons that I didn't.

00:16:52And it's,

00:16:52I can see why I didn't.

00:16:58My brain had to protect itself.

00:17:03They didn't want to talk about it.

00:17:05They didn't want to look at it.

00:17:07I just acted like it was,

00:17:08everything was normal,

00:17:09and he hadn't done it at all.

00:17:11From that point on,

00:17:14April attempts to distance herself

00:17:16from the abuser,

00:17:17but at that point in time,

00:17:19there's only so much

00:17:20a young girl can do

00:17:21to distance herself

00:17:22from an adult male

00:17:23who lives in the same complex.

00:17:26There was one time

00:17:28when I was eating breakfast

00:17:29at one of the tables

00:17:30in the courtyard.

00:17:31He came by in a bathrobe

00:17:33and sat down by me

00:17:34and was talking about

00:17:37how pretty my feet were,

00:17:38of all things.

00:17:39I was definitely

00:17:40not comfortable,

00:17:42and I'm, like,

00:17:43doing the wince thing

00:17:44because it's not,

00:17:46I'm not looking for that.

00:17:47I don't need that.

00:17:48I don't need to be built up.

00:17:49I never have liked that.

00:17:52Then he said to me,

00:17:53I need to learn

00:17:54to take a compliment.

00:17:56Just imagine an adult male

00:17:59hanging out

00:18:00with a 12- or 13-year-old female,

00:18:02just that,

00:18:03just hanging out,

00:18:05and then making comments

00:18:06about even her feet,

00:18:08and I suspect

00:18:09he likes his power over her.

00:18:13This is called grooming.

00:18:15Grooming is when a grown-up

00:18:17is established in a relationship

00:18:19with a child

00:18:20in an effort

00:18:20to sexually abuse them.

00:18:23I think Stephen Collins

00:18:24was making April

00:18:25feel special

00:18:26from other kids.

00:18:29Stephen gives her

00:18:29an autograph first,

00:18:30so he gives her some attention,

00:18:32and then he exposes himself

00:18:33to her,

00:18:33and then a third time

00:18:35he comes to her again

00:18:36and offers her

00:18:37a different kind of attention.

00:18:38This one feels

00:18:39a little more sexualized,

00:18:40a little more loaded.

00:18:41He's talking about her feet,

00:18:43which is a particular body part

00:18:44that sort of suggests

00:18:45I'm paying close attention

00:18:47to you.

00:18:48By the point

00:18:49that he is fully harassing her,

00:18:52she's already been in it

00:18:53for so long.

00:18:54How would she explain it

00:18:55to somebody

00:18:55if she ever did want to say

00:18:56to an adult

00:18:57that this was happening?

00:18:58Because there's all

00:18:58these other examples

00:18:59of things that happened before

00:19:00and she didn't say anything.

00:19:02I put that incident

00:19:03out of my head.

00:19:04Cindy and I,

00:19:05we just continued on

00:19:07like normal.

00:19:07I probably went

00:19:08to the office with her more,

00:19:10so Stephen Collins

00:19:11was not my main concern

00:19:13at that point.

00:19:14Close to the end

00:19:20of the trip,

00:19:21I am laying out

00:19:23in the courtyard

00:19:23in my bathing suit.

00:19:25It was completely secluded.

00:19:27This was the swimsuit

00:19:29that I would lay out in.

00:19:30We're not talking

00:19:31about sexy bathing suits here.

00:19:33And into the courtyard

00:19:35walks Stephen,

00:19:36dressed fairly nice,

00:19:37and sits down by me

00:19:40like he was very close.

00:19:42And, you know,

00:19:43I was like,

00:19:44I'm getting ready

00:19:44to go home pretty soon.

00:19:46Somehow talking about

00:19:47Tales of the Gold Monkey

00:19:48and he says,

00:19:49I have some of the memorabilia

00:19:52from that show

00:19:52in my apartment.

00:19:54And, of course,

00:19:55I'm like,

00:19:56perking up?

00:19:57Like, really?

00:19:59You know?

00:19:59And he goes,

00:20:00yeah, you want to come see it?

00:20:01It is weird and creepy

00:20:03that an adult man

00:20:04wanted a child's attention

00:20:06this much.

00:20:08So I get up

00:20:09from laying there,

00:20:11so in nothing

00:20:11but my bathing suit,

00:20:13and follow him

00:20:14into his apartment.

00:20:15The part of me

00:20:16that was still upset

00:20:18about the exposure

00:20:19before is going

00:20:21and justifying,

00:20:23he won't do that again.

00:20:24He won't do that again.

00:20:25This should be fine.

00:20:27For people that think

00:20:29April was dumb

00:20:29to have gone to his

00:20:30apartment with her,

00:20:32he knew what he was doing

00:20:34when he asked about

00:20:34the prop of the tale

00:20:35of the gold monkey.

00:20:36He knew that was

00:20:37the lure that was going

00:20:39to bring her

00:20:39into the apartment.

00:20:41He didn't bring it out.

00:20:42What's the classic metaphor?

00:20:44I got some candy

00:20:45for you, honey.

00:20:46Follow me.

00:20:47Is that child dumb

00:20:48for going after the candy?

00:20:49It's the same damn thing.

00:20:53So, the memorabilia

00:20:55from the show

00:20:56and some pictures and stuff

00:20:57setting up on the top

00:20:58of this credenza.

00:20:59And I'm standing there

00:21:00and I'm looking at it

00:21:01and he goes,

00:21:02do you mind

00:21:03if I go get more comfortable?

00:21:06So, I'm looking

00:21:07at this stuff

00:21:08and he comes walking

00:21:09back from the bedroom

00:21:10completely nude.

00:21:14And my stomach just fell

00:21:17and I'm like,

00:21:18now I'm actually scared.

00:21:22I'm in this man's apartment,

00:21:24I'm in a bathing suit

00:21:25and he's naked.

00:21:25this is bad,

00:21:28this is really bad.

00:21:30I don't know

00:21:31what I'm going to do.

00:21:38Sitting on the couch

00:21:39at this point,

00:21:40I was as rigid

00:21:41and as tight

00:21:42and as small

00:21:42as I could make myself

00:21:43and I'm looking anywhere

00:21:44but at him.

00:21:46And he's nonchalantly

00:21:47like fiddling around

00:21:49the apartment

00:21:49like there was

00:21:50nothing going on.

00:21:51and he goes up,

00:21:53there's a standing lamp

00:21:54that's right beside me

00:21:56and he's screwing

00:21:57in the light bulb

00:21:58and I mean,

00:21:59literally,

00:22:00eye level,

00:22:01completely nude man

00:22:03and I'm in his apartment

00:22:05and I don't know

00:22:06what I'm going to do.

00:22:08How long do you feel

00:22:10like it went on?

00:22:12I would say

00:22:13the entire instance

00:22:14probably 20 minutes maybe.

00:22:17In my experience,

00:22:18oftentimes,

00:22:20these perpetrators

00:22:21will be self-stimulating.

00:22:24Now,

00:22:24she does not remember that

00:22:25but the duration

00:22:26of all this

00:22:27makes me wonder

00:22:27if something like that

00:22:28was happening

00:22:28and remember,

00:22:29a 12 or 13 year old,

00:22:30they don't understand

00:22:31what's happening.

00:22:31It doesn't even get

00:22:32laid down in memory.

00:22:33I was completely

00:22:34defenseless and helpless

00:22:35in his apartment

00:22:36and about that time,

00:22:39Cindy walks by.

00:22:40And she had come home

00:22:41from work early,

00:22:42unexpectedly.

00:22:43And the minute I saw her,

00:22:45I mean,

00:22:45just like that,

00:22:47there's my aunt,

00:22:48I gotta go by.

00:22:49Boom.

00:22:49And I'm gone.

00:22:52There was no time

00:22:53for him to say,

00:22:55hey, don't talk about this

00:22:56or hey, this was okay.

00:22:57He didn't even have

00:22:58a chance to say bye.

00:22:59Like, I was gone.

00:23:02And I immediately

00:23:03go into her apartment

00:23:05and get in the shower.

00:23:08She bolts out

00:23:09to see her aunt

00:23:09as her excuse.

00:23:11But what she needed

00:23:12was adult support.

00:23:14She needed another adult

00:23:16to help pull her out

00:23:17of this.

00:23:18And she got it

00:23:19just in the nick of time.

00:23:20And if Cindy

00:23:20hadn't have come home

00:23:21that day,

00:23:21I hate to think

00:23:22what would have happened.

00:23:25Would he have raped me?

00:23:26I don't know.

00:23:26I'd like to think not.

00:23:29The fact that he

00:23:30didn't touch her,

00:23:32it still makes it a crime

00:23:33because he exposed himself

00:23:35right up to her face

00:23:36and she had nowhere else

00:23:38to go.

00:23:38It was a physical threat.

00:23:40But young kids,

00:23:41they might think

00:23:42if it's not total sex,

00:23:44that it's not as bad

00:23:45because no one

00:23:47ever told them

00:23:47it's bad.

00:23:48Literally,

00:23:49after that point,

00:23:50I hadn't said anything

00:23:51to Cindy.

00:23:53I used to do

00:23:54a lot of reporting

00:23:54on Girls Gone Wild.

00:23:56And one thing

00:23:57I thought was so interesting

00:23:58is the kinds of girls

00:23:59that they picked

00:24:00for those videotapes.

00:24:01It was very important

00:24:03that those girls

00:24:04were not from L.A. or Miami,

00:24:06that they were visiting

00:24:06L.A. or Miami,

00:24:07that they were coming

00:24:08from the Bible Belt

00:24:09or the Midwest

00:24:10or anywhere else.

00:24:12Something similar

00:24:13seems to be happening here

00:24:15with Stephen Collins.

00:24:16A 13-year-old girl

00:24:17from the Midwest

00:24:18is effectively code for

00:24:20I will never have to

00:24:21deal with this again.

00:24:22She will not be somebody

00:24:24that I have to run into.

00:24:25She won't make it anywhere.

00:24:27She won't become anybody.

00:24:28I won't have to deal

00:24:29with the consequences

00:24:30of this action.

00:24:31Is it difficult

00:24:32to maintain a relationship

00:24:34here in Los Angeles?

00:24:36I think what happens

00:24:37to a lot of people

00:24:38when they first hit L.A.

00:24:39or New York

00:24:40in different ways

00:24:41is that all the possibilities

00:24:42of the town

00:24:43sort of grip you

00:24:44and you want to do them all.

00:24:45So as all this is going on

00:24:47with April,

00:24:48he is in a romantic relationship

00:24:50with Faye Grant.

00:24:52Tales of the Gold Monkey,

00:24:53it had only been on

00:24:54for one season.

00:24:55After Gold Monkey,

00:24:56they stayed together

00:24:57and three years later,

00:24:59they got married.

00:25:00And then four years later,

00:25:02they had this beautiful

00:25:03little daughter.

00:25:05So fast forward to 1994

00:25:07and Stephen published

00:25:08this Eye Contact.

00:25:10It's his debut novel.

00:25:11He dedicated it

00:25:13to Faye Grant.

00:25:14It's a piece of fiction

00:25:15about a woman

00:25:17with sexual compulsions

00:25:19and a lot of fantasies.

00:25:20A laptop

00:25:22and a blank page

00:25:23are a little slice

00:25:23of heaven

00:25:24for Stephen Collins.

00:25:25Collins retreats

00:25:26to his trailer

00:25:26and taps out

00:25:27erotic thrillers.

00:25:30An early instance

00:25:32in the book

00:25:32is of this woman

00:25:33exposing herself

00:25:34to a minor,

00:25:35to a boy.

00:25:36I was surprised

00:25:37because it was

00:25:38a dark story

00:25:39and it wasn't

00:25:41Steve Collins

00:25:42to me.

00:25:42I would get messages

00:25:44like,

00:25:45my machine would beep

00:25:46and I would hear,

00:25:47Stephen,

00:25:48I just read your book.

00:25:50I loved it,

00:25:51but where did this

00:25:52come from?

00:25:53He has started

00:25:53a dozen feature films

00:25:54in the television

00:25:55series.

00:25:56I've never,

00:25:58I've never seen this.

00:26:00Stephen Collins

00:26:01did a sit-down interview

00:26:02with Charlie Rose,

00:26:03but he's carrying himself

00:26:04in that interview

00:26:05like an anthropologist

00:26:06for a particular kind

00:26:08of sexual,

00:26:09in his words,

00:26:10compulsion.

00:26:11I think that

00:26:11it is probably

00:26:12that sexually

00:26:13compulsive behavior

00:26:14is no,

00:26:15at core,

00:26:16not much different

00:26:17from alcohol.

00:26:19He's framing this

00:26:20as if he's an expert

00:26:20on it,

00:26:21but how?

00:26:23Nobody was Googling

00:26:24anything in the 90s.

00:26:26How'd you find out?

00:26:27Would you read?

00:26:28Would you look up?

00:26:29You're telling me

00:26:29that you know.

00:26:30How do you know?

00:26:31In her case,

00:26:32when she's nervous,

00:26:33she turns to an arena

00:26:33where she's in total control.

00:26:35Total control.

00:26:36There it is.

00:26:37There it is,

00:26:38everybody.

00:26:39It's about power and control

00:26:40over another individual,

00:26:41a young individual.

00:26:46In 1996,

00:26:48he was in a movie

00:26:49called Babysitter Seduction.

00:26:50There's a scene

00:26:51with Keri Russell

00:26:52lying in a bed

00:26:54with Stephen

00:26:55slowly undressing her.

00:26:58And what's odd

00:26:59is you would think

00:26:59he'd explicitly

00:27:00avoid these things.

00:27:02Wouldn't it be

00:27:02uncomfortable for him

00:27:04to know

00:27:05that he was in a film

00:27:06and then did what he did?

00:27:08It's just so odd.

00:27:10And then in 1998,

00:27:11Stephen put out

00:27:12another novel.

00:27:14So I wrote about

00:27:14a person who moves

00:27:15into a new apartment

00:27:16and discovers

00:27:17that his kitchen window

00:27:20looks into the kitchen window

00:27:21of a very attractive woman

00:27:23and then he discovers

00:27:23there's actually

00:27:24a sister to that woman.

00:27:26You can't tell me

00:27:27that there's not parallels

00:27:28from what happened

00:27:29to me specifically

00:27:31that's not on the page

00:27:32in one of the novels

00:27:33that he's written.

00:27:35It worried me

00:27:36because he's got power

00:27:37and it is getting bigger

00:27:39and he is getting

00:27:40better known.

00:27:46My name is Garth Ann Sear

00:27:48and in the mid-90s,

00:27:50WB Network

00:27:51was created

00:27:52after the same exact team

00:27:54had created

00:27:54the Fox Network

00:27:55and I was the founding

00:27:57president of programming

00:27:58for the WB.

00:27:59When you're starting

00:28:01a network,

00:28:02you have to figure out

00:28:03what the identity

00:28:04of the network

00:28:04is going to be.

00:28:06At the WB,

00:28:07the most prominent shows

00:28:08we did were

00:28:09Charmed,

00:28:10Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

00:28:12we had the

00:28:13Wayne's Brothers show,

00:28:14which was very popular.

00:28:16So we began

00:28:17to gravitate toward

00:28:19what's ensemble

00:28:20family shows.

00:28:22And when I say family,

00:28:24you know,

00:28:24Charmed is a family.

00:28:25They're three sisters.

00:28:26I mean,

00:28:27there's a family

00:28:27on Buffy,

00:28:28you know.

00:28:31Then it just

00:28:32occurred to us

00:28:33that it had been

00:28:34many years

00:28:35since network television

00:28:36had a true family show.

00:28:37And what kept

00:28:39crossing my mind

00:28:40is where is our

00:28:40age is enough?

00:28:43Because that was

00:28:43a show I grew up

00:28:44watching and it's

00:28:45a big family.

00:28:46So we wanted

00:28:47to create that ethic

00:28:48and my boss,

00:28:50who's president

00:28:50of the whole company,

00:28:51Jamie Kellner,

00:28:52he is the one

00:28:53who suggested

00:28:54we should make

00:28:54the father figure

00:28:55a minister.

00:28:58And so this was like,

00:29:00oh, that's kind of

00:29:01a unique take

00:29:01on a family

00:29:02because he's

00:29:03father to the community

00:29:05and also father

00:29:05to his kids.

00:29:07So we created

00:29:07this show called

00:29:08Seventh Heaven

00:29:09and we needed

00:29:10someone to produce

00:29:11the show.

00:29:13Well, I think a show

00:29:14we did called Family

00:29:15that was about

00:29:15a real family.

00:29:16Aaron Spellings

00:29:17had been such

00:29:18a prolific producer

00:29:19already in his career.

00:29:21You know,

00:29:22Fantasy Island,

00:29:23Love Boat,

00:29:23you know,

00:29:24Hotel,

00:29:25Dynasty.

00:29:26And of course,

00:29:26you always love

00:29:27your last baby

00:29:28so Beverly Hills

00:29:2990210

00:29:29is very close to me.

00:29:31We worked with him

00:29:32at Fox first

00:29:33with 90210

00:29:34and then

00:29:36when we went

00:29:37to WB

00:29:38we knew

00:29:39he was a very,

00:29:40very reliable

00:29:42commercial producer

00:29:43but the thing

00:29:44with Aaron is

00:29:45I didn't think

00:29:45he'd done a show

00:29:46about a minister

00:29:47of family before

00:29:48but when you've

00:29:49done so many shows

00:29:50that you're

00:29:50the most prolific

00:29:51producer

00:29:51of the entire era

00:29:53I started to believe

00:29:56that you have

00:29:57to do something

00:29:57that he's never

00:29:58done before

00:29:59to get him

00:30:00to stretch

00:30:01creatively.

00:30:04Honestly,

00:30:04at the end of the day

00:30:05all scripted programming

00:30:06is about the writing

00:30:07first

00:30:07and then,

00:30:08of course,

00:30:09casting has to be great

00:30:10and so that was

00:30:11the chemistry

00:30:12we had to get right.

00:30:13And I remember

00:30:15with 7th Heaven

00:30:16we cast the kids

00:30:16first because

00:30:17casting the kids

00:30:18in the show

00:30:19was a little easier

00:30:20than casting the adults

00:30:21because the adults

00:30:23of that role

00:30:24needed someone

00:30:25who was believable

00:30:26as a minister

00:30:27and the people

00:30:28we kept looking at

00:30:29were just not

00:30:30quite cutting it.

00:30:32We kept

00:30:32swinging and missing

00:30:34and I then

00:30:36said to Aaron

00:30:37I know this is

00:30:38a long shot

00:30:38but there's a guy

00:30:39I remember

00:30:39from Tales

00:30:41of the Golden Monkey

00:30:41on ABC

00:30:42which is an adventure show

00:30:45but the guy

00:30:46seems to have

00:30:47that sort of

00:30:48the minister

00:30:49vibe going on

00:30:51so Aaron

00:30:53watched it

00:30:54and said

00:30:56I get it

00:30:57that works

00:30:58and we cast him.

00:31:00He's fantastic

00:31:01and he's really fantastic.

00:31:05When we cast

00:31:07Steven

00:31:07for the lead role

00:31:09in 7th Heaven

00:31:10there's obviously

00:31:11no way

00:31:12we would have ever

00:31:12imagined

00:31:14what would be

00:31:16coming down the road

00:31:17after the show

00:31:18was over.

00:31:24The opening credits

00:31:26of 7th Heaven

00:31:26are just iconic.

00:31:28It's also

00:31:29so typical

00:31:30of the 90s.

00:31:31It's like

00:31:31the guitar

00:31:32and like

00:31:33the

00:31:33and it's just

00:31:35cheesy.

00:31:37I loved

00:31:407th Heaven

00:31:40growing up

00:31:41I felt like

00:31:41I was part

00:31:42of the family

00:31:42I really wanted

00:31:43to be

00:31:44this is when

00:31:45I would imagine

00:31:46Rob Anderson

00:31:47in here

00:31:48like squeezed

00:31:49in maybe before

00:31:50like Simon

00:31:51the main characters

00:31:53were Reverend Camden

00:31:55who was the head

00:31:57of this family

00:31:57five kids

00:31:59Catherine Hicks

00:32:01is Mama Bear

00:32:02she's the mom

00:32:03on the show

00:32:04she loves

00:32:05her kids

00:32:06but always

00:32:07overworks

00:32:07oh she just

00:32:08has a lot

00:32:09going on

00:32:10when you look

00:32:11at someone

00:32:11like Catherine

00:32:12you have to realize

00:32:12there need to be

00:32:14experienced actors

00:32:15on the set

00:32:16Catherine Hicks

00:32:17had been on television

00:32:17since she graduated

00:32:18college

00:32:19and she was

00:32:20recently on a

00:32:20short-lived

00:32:21Aaron Spelling

00:32:21soap opera

00:32:22everyone else

00:32:23in the cast

00:32:23they're almost

00:32:24always fresh faces

00:32:25Barry Watson

00:32:28seemed like

00:32:29kind of a little

00:32:30more shy

00:32:31reserved

00:32:31as

00:32:32the boy

00:32:34and the family

00:32:35Jessica Beale

00:32:36plays

00:32:37Mary Camden

00:32:38Jessica Beale

00:32:39played a typical

00:32:40girl in school

00:32:42who didn't know

00:32:43how pretty she was

00:32:44she had grown

00:32:44into her looks

00:32:45and she was

00:32:46a little awkward

00:32:47given her height

00:32:47and

00:32:49that made her

00:32:50more vulnerable

00:32:50even though she was

00:32:51very pretty

00:32:52Seventh Heaven

00:32:53is the reason

00:32:54we know Jessica Beale

00:32:54that is the show

00:32:55that put her

00:32:56on the map

00:32:56every scene

00:32:58she was in

00:32:59she lit up

00:33:00and ended up

00:33:01being the great

00:33:02actor that she became

00:33:03so if you have

00:33:05Jessica Beale

00:33:05then Beverly Mitchell

00:33:06becomes more of

00:33:08the girl next door

00:33:09who wasn't as tall

00:33:10as her sister

00:33:11but probably was

00:33:12everyone's best friend

00:33:13David Gallagher

00:33:16plays Simon

00:33:17he's the youngest son

00:33:18and

00:33:19most of the

00:33:20absurd lessons

00:33:21happen to him

00:33:23for example

00:33:24he flips off

00:33:26his friends

00:33:27at school

00:33:27they act like

00:33:30it was murder

00:33:31the girl who plays

00:33:34Ruthie is

00:33:35Mackenzie Rosman

00:33:36Ruthie's a real

00:33:37bitch in the show

00:33:38honestly

00:33:38like she is

00:33:39a real brat

00:33:40and in one episode

00:33:42has anyone ever

00:33:43hijacked a plane

00:33:43fitting my description

00:33:44and Stephen Collins

00:33:47played Reverend Camden

00:33:48he was

00:33:49the god

00:33:50of the show

00:33:51he was the savior

00:33:53he fixed all

00:33:54the problems

00:33:54Stephen Collins

00:33:56as the father

00:33:57of that show

00:33:57is the heart

00:33:58of the show

00:33:59he is the core

00:33:59of it

00:34:00it is his

00:34:01performance

00:34:02of these ethics

00:34:03that really make

00:34:05seventh heaven

00:34:06they told us

00:34:07you had your friend's

00:34:07baby at their house

00:34:08and there was a beer

00:34:09sitting on the table

00:34:10I don't know

00:34:10that sounds like trouble

00:34:11he was

00:34:12just

00:34:13the pinnacle

00:34:15of what a father

00:34:16should be

00:34:16I think having

00:34:17your joint

00:34:18is trouble

00:34:18it's a soft-spoken

00:34:19nature

00:34:20with like

00:34:21a little bit

00:34:21of judgment

00:34:22underneath

00:34:23have you tried

00:34:24smoking marijuana

00:34:25I don't think

00:34:25we ever mentioned

00:34:26what kind of

00:34:28minister he was

00:34:29specifically

00:34:30I don't think

00:34:31any of us

00:34:31ever thought of it

00:34:32as a religious show

00:34:33we thought of it

00:34:33as a moral show

00:34:35you know

00:34:36teaching

00:34:36you know

00:34:37right and wrong

00:34:38to people

00:34:38through

00:34:39credible

00:34:40parent figures

00:34:41we weren't worried

00:34:42about how it'd be

00:34:42received

00:34:43because we were

00:34:43doing a morality show

00:34:44about raising kids

00:34:46if you think about

00:34:47the kinds of shows

00:34:48that were coming

00:34:49before seventh heaven

00:34:49the dads in those

00:34:51other shows

00:34:52that you were watching

00:34:52they weren't always

00:34:53approachable people

00:34:54this is different

00:34:55this wasn't just

00:34:57changing the way

00:34:57we looked at fatherhood

00:34:58in a pop culture lens

00:34:59but it was also changing

00:35:00how we look at fathers

00:35:01culturally

00:35:02look at how functional

00:35:03this family is

00:35:05every episode

00:35:07they dealt with some

00:35:09issue that happens

00:35:10in America

00:35:11there was issues

00:35:12on gangs

00:35:13and there was

00:35:14issues on racism

00:35:16there was

00:35:17drugs

00:35:18kids huffing paint

00:35:19in the hallway

00:35:20that made you feel

00:35:24good about your own

00:35:24life

00:35:25because you weren't

00:35:26addicted to drugs

00:35:27and you weren't

00:35:27huffing paint

00:35:28in the hallway

00:35:28and your neighbor's

00:35:29not a gang member

00:35:30as I got a little bit

00:35:33older

00:35:34then the 20s come along

00:35:35and I was determined

00:35:36not to allow this one

00:35:38thing to hold any kind

00:35:39of sway over my life

00:35:40so I didn't bother

00:35:43to give him

00:35:43too much of my energy

00:35:45but in and around 1996

00:35:47I was made to understand

00:35:49that he was playing a role

00:35:51of a preacher

00:35:52pastor

00:35:52in a show

00:35:54and he was a family man

00:35:56it did bug me

00:35:57I think we all kind of understand

00:36:01when a show starts to get

00:36:03into the stratosphere

00:36:04there's no escaping

00:36:05the PR for that show

00:36:07I mean you can't

00:36:08not see a commercial

00:36:09you can't not hear a blurb

00:36:12on Entertainment Tonight

00:36:13or Extra

00:36:14you can't not see

00:36:16a magazine cover

00:36:17and the fact that he was

00:36:19on a show

00:36:20with a bunch of children

00:36:22really concerned me

00:36:23congratulations

00:36:25come up to you

00:36:25thank you

00:36:26thank you

00:36:26the actresses were 14

00:36:2813 and 7

00:36:29was red flag for me

00:36:30we hang out

00:36:31we're buds

00:36:32you have your father

00:36:32and daughter on the show

00:36:33but only on the show

00:36:34this is where

00:36:35self-awareness of

00:36:37me keeping my silence

00:36:38started to wear on me

00:36:40we've always had this bond

00:36:41somehow

00:36:42the two of us

00:36:43that's pretty good

00:36:45oh go ahead

00:36:46it's not quite

00:36:47father and daughter

00:36:48it's not quite

00:36:48older brother

00:36:49and little sister

00:36:50because I'd be

00:36:50a way older brother

00:36:51now I'm starting

00:36:52to become worried

00:36:54that it wasn't just me

00:36:56am I the starting point

00:37:00to a marathon

00:37:01when I was in my 20s

00:37:11I was a script supervisor

00:37:12in Hollywood

00:37:13it was more along the lines

00:37:15of following in Cindy's footsteps

00:37:16because of her connections

00:37:18I was determined

00:37:20not to allow this one thing

00:37:21to hold any kind of sway

00:37:23over my life

00:37:24but now he's got a show

00:37:26with a bunch of other children

00:37:28everything is changing

00:37:30so it's time to tell Cindy

00:37:33what really happened

00:37:34I sit down with Cindy

00:37:39and I tell her

00:37:41first of all

00:37:42the instances

00:37:43and she was livid

00:37:45she said

00:37:46if I had known back then

00:37:47I would have gone

00:37:48immediately to the police

00:37:49and I said

00:37:52here's my dilemma

00:37:53here's my biggest problem

00:37:54he's on a show

00:37:56with a lot of children

00:37:58do I say something

00:38:00and both of us

00:38:03understood immediately

00:38:04when we talked about it

00:38:06if I said something

00:38:06first of all

00:38:07I would be called a liar

00:38:08I would not have been believed

00:38:09and I would have lost

00:38:10my entire career

00:38:11people are in love

00:38:14or infatuated

00:38:16with a persona

00:38:17that they've seen

00:38:18scripted out

00:38:20so I kept my mouth shut

00:38:22I kept my mouth shut

00:38:23did you see Stephen

00:38:24working with the young girls

00:38:25and what that was like

00:38:26he's a father figure

00:38:27I never saw him

00:38:29working with the young girls

00:38:30because I wasn't there enough

00:38:32I directly work with

00:38:36all the women on the show

00:38:38so that would be Catherine

00:38:39that would be Beverly

00:38:40McKenzie

00:38:41and Jessica Biel

00:38:43all the women guest stars

00:38:45that came on the show

00:38:47the environments have really

00:38:48always been pretty happy

00:38:50and easy going

00:38:51it felt like family

00:38:52that's what we are

00:38:53we are family here

00:38:54well let's be real

00:38:55most actors

00:38:56bring a lot of themselves

00:38:58into their characters

00:38:59that's part of why

00:39:01you're casting them

00:39:01and you know

00:39:03Sunday you're always

00:39:04playing a version of yourself

00:39:05so for example

00:39:09I used to have Oscar parties

00:39:10at my house every year

00:39:11so Stephen was here one time

00:39:14and my nephew

00:39:15who was then pretty young

00:39:17was kind of doing

00:39:18crazy things out of sight

00:39:19because he's mischievous

00:39:21and Stephen came to me

00:39:23and said

00:39:23I need to talk to you

00:39:25about something

00:39:26and he just like

00:39:27was the father figure

00:39:30saying you know

00:39:30your nephew's

00:39:31doing some things

00:39:32I think you should know about

00:39:33and he did very nicely

00:39:35it was not

00:39:36with any attitude

00:39:37or anything

00:39:38and it was in my house

00:39:39so that was who he was

00:39:42Seventh Heaven

00:39:44aired on the WB

00:39:46the first season

00:39:48it was averaging

00:39:49about 3 million viewers

00:39:50which is not a lot

00:39:51it wasn't a hit that fast

00:39:54it's also not

00:39:54the kind of show

00:39:55that people

00:39:56like oh did you see

00:39:57that episode

00:39:58it's not the kind of show

00:39:59that people would talk

00:39:59about in Los Angeles

00:40:00but that's okay

00:40:01but remember

00:40:02there's a vast audience

00:40:03out there that has

00:40:04lots of different

00:40:04points of view

00:40:05and takes

00:40:06and you're programming

00:40:08for all of them

00:40:09not just for yourself

00:40:10and so people

00:40:14started to recognize

00:40:15this is a special show

00:40:16my name is

00:40:20Melissa Henson

00:40:21I'm the vice president

00:40:22of programs

00:40:22for the Parents Television

00:40:24and Media Council

00:40:25the Parents Television Council

00:40:26it's like a watchdog group

00:40:29started in response

00:40:31to a growing recognition

00:40:32that TV was becoming

00:40:35increasingly unfriendly

00:40:37to family audiences

00:40:38by mid to late 90s

00:40:40we started to have shows

00:40:41like Friends

00:40:42during the family hour

00:40:43you know

00:40:44where they had episodes

00:40:45where the guys suddenly

00:40:46get free pornography

00:40:47and they're afraid

00:40:48to turn off the TV

00:40:49because they won't get

00:40:49the free porn anymore

00:40:50and so it was increasingly

00:40:51difficult to find programs

00:40:53that parents would feel

00:40:54comfortable watching

00:40:55with their kids in the room

00:40:56let alone watch

00:40:57with their children

00:40:58but in 1996

00:41:01Seventh Heaven debuted

00:41:02on the WB network

00:41:03it was on our radar

00:41:06from the fact

00:41:07that they were

00:41:08a religious family

00:41:09a religious household

00:41:10the father was a pastor

00:41:11that alone made it

00:41:12somewhat unique

00:41:13the fact that

00:41:14the dad was a character

00:41:15that was worthy of respect

00:41:16and not a clown

00:41:17someone that the kids

00:41:19would go to

00:41:19for advice

00:41:20and guidance

00:41:21in looking at

00:41:22Seventh Heaven

00:41:23you sort of asked

00:41:23yourself

00:41:24how many shows

00:41:26in the history

00:41:27of television

00:41:27have had morality tales

00:41:29there was

00:41:30Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman

00:41:32there was

00:41:33Touched by an Angel

00:41:34but they weren't

00:41:35necessarily geared

00:41:36toward kids

00:41:36so Seventh Heaven

00:41:37was something

00:41:38that kids actually

00:41:39did seek out

00:41:40and want to watch

00:41:41on their own

00:41:41it wasn't just

00:41:42oh mom's going to

00:41:43make me watch

00:41:43this stupid show

00:41:44it was

00:41:45oh this is

00:41:45something I want to see

00:41:47and of course

00:41:48it didn't hurt

00:41:49that they had

00:41:50Jessica Biel

00:41:51who probably brought

00:41:52in a lot of teenage boys

00:41:53and it was a Barry Watson

00:41:55who probably brought

00:41:56in a lot of teenage girls

00:41:57the parents TV council

00:42:03loved Seventh Heaven

00:42:05we would periodically

00:42:07release our ranking

00:42:09of the top 10 best

00:42:10shows for families

00:42:11and Seventh Heaven

00:42:12was often

00:42:13number one

00:42:14on our top 10 best list

00:42:15TV Guide to cover

00:42:16on it

00:42:17cover was

00:42:19the best show

00:42:19on TV

00:42:20you're not watching

00:42:20and then finally

00:42:22the second season

00:42:23of the show

00:42:23got a million Emmys

00:42:25and so everyone

00:42:26sort of said

00:42:27oh maybe I should

00:42:28watch that show

00:42:29and then suddenly

00:42:30the show

00:42:31had such an intensity

00:42:33around how many

00:42:34people were watching it

00:42:35the audience

00:42:35once they tune in

00:42:37they just love us

00:42:38and they never tune out

00:42:39and the premiere

00:42:41of season two

00:42:41actually was

00:42:42WB's most watched hour

00:42:45it had over 12 million viewers

00:42:47I have never heard

00:42:49of any show

00:42:49being in prime time

00:42:51twice a week

00:42:52it became increasingly

00:42:53an anomaly

00:42:55on the broadcast landscape

00:42:56most people

00:42:58want these kind of shows

00:42:59that's why

00:42:59we're growing so fast

00:43:01it's got humor

00:43:01it's got an edge

00:43:02it was just

00:43:03real

00:43:04and it was simple

00:43:06and

00:43:07those are your

00:43:08next door neighbors

00:43:09Steve I love that

00:43:10I love your show

00:43:10thank you so much

00:43:12great thing about this show

00:43:13it can teach a lot

00:43:14but it doesn't reach

00:43:15they did deal with

00:43:17very weighty issues

00:43:18at times

00:43:18but they always handled it

00:43:20in very responsible ways

00:43:22that's a good big shot

00:43:23about the last eight months

00:43:247th Heaven's been

00:43:25a top rated show

00:43:26on the WB

00:43:27cast as far as I'm familiar

00:43:29is our family

00:43:30and I love them all

00:43:32they were certainly

00:43:32recognized

00:43:33and I think Stephen

00:43:34did become

00:43:35true of America's dad

00:43:37you know

00:43:38sometimes the biggest monsters

00:43:42have the prettiest faces

00:43:43you can't just trust

00:43:46that people

00:43:47that are nice to you

00:43:48and kind

00:43:48and charismatic

00:43:49not everybody

00:43:51that's nice to you

00:43:52has nice intentions

00:43:53I didn't realize

00:43:57when I first moved

00:43:58out to Hollywood

00:43:58and started working

00:43:59in the industry

00:44:00Stephen Collins

00:44:01I didn't expect

00:44:02to see him again

00:44:03because mainly

00:44:04I worked on

00:44:06TV commercials

00:44:06sometime around 1997

00:44:09I was asked to do

00:44:10the affiliate promos

00:44:12for CBS

00:44:13I'm sitting at the

00:44:15craft service table

00:44:16and doing my job

00:44:17and they give me

00:44:18a shot list

00:44:19and oh my god

00:44:20oh my god

00:44:21Stephen Collins

00:44:22is coming on

00:44:23to do promos

00:44:24he was a person

00:44:27that I hadn't seen

00:44:28for like 14 years

00:44:30I was like

00:44:33what can I

00:44:34there's nothing

00:44:34that I can do

00:44:35I mean

00:44:36I'm sitting there

00:44:36thinking

00:44:37oh my gosh

00:44:37should I say

00:44:38something to the

00:44:39producers

00:44:39no because

00:44:40I'm dead

00:44:41I mean

00:44:42I'm just stuck

00:44:43I'm sitting at the

00:44:47table

00:44:47at some point

00:44:48he sees me

00:44:50and the moment

00:44:55he saw me

00:44:56he knew

00:44:56I mean

00:44:59you could see

00:45:00his face

00:45:00you could see

00:45:01the whole

00:45:01countenance

00:45:02he knew

00:45:03who I was

00:45:03well

00:45:04at a break

00:45:05when he was done

00:45:09he waited

00:45:11until nobody else

00:45:12was at the table

00:45:13and he came up

00:45:14to me

00:45:14and he said

00:45:15I want you

00:45:18to know

00:45:18what I did

00:45:20was extremely wrong

00:45:22I feel terrible

00:45:23about it

00:45:24please forgive me

00:45:26all of a sudden

00:45:30I thought

00:45:32I don't have to worry

00:45:33about this anymore

00:45:34he's

00:45:34he is sorry

00:45:36he is

00:45:37contrite

00:45:38so

00:45:39I kept my mouth shut

00:45:40I kept my mouth shut

00:45:41looking back

00:45:46I don't think

00:45:46it was sincere

00:45:47I think it was

00:45:48damage control

00:45:49because all of a sudden

00:45:50here is one of my

00:45:52little indiscretions

00:45:53that I shouldn't have done

00:45:54that actually could

00:45:55put words to it

00:45:56and hurt my career

00:45:57I don't know

00:45:59Stephen Collins

00:46:00but I just have this

00:46:02deep concern

00:46:03that he doesn't care

00:46:04about the people

00:46:05he has power

00:46:06and control over

00:46:07he's manipulative

00:46:08he plays on

00:46:10people's affections

00:46:11and it's far worse

00:46:13than April realized

00:46:14the problem

00:46:20with 7th Heaven

00:46:21the cast

00:46:22the arc

00:46:22of all these people

00:46:23who have never been

00:46:25TV stars before

00:46:26is

00:46:27they come in

00:46:29they're very happy

00:46:30to have the opportunity

00:46:31and

00:46:32as the show

00:46:33becomes more and more

00:46:33popular

00:46:34they may

00:46:35want to do

00:46:36other stuff

00:46:37so in the year 2000

00:46:41while she was still

00:46:42on the show

00:46:42Jessica Biel

00:46:43posed for a magazine

00:46:45called Gear

00:46:46on the cover

00:46:47she's topless

00:46:48that was one of those

00:46:49weird blips

00:46:50on the radar

00:46:51of my career

00:46:52that I just feel like

00:46:52like

00:46:53it was a photo shoot

00:46:54that I did

00:46:56it was totally exposed

00:46:57it wasn't a non-purpose

00:46:59thing at all

00:46:59it was you know

00:47:00I'm a woman now

00:47:01sure I can wear

00:47:02that bikini

00:47:03those kinds of things

00:47:04when you're young

00:47:05just sort of

00:47:06it rolls out

00:47:07in a way

00:47:07that you do not expect

00:47:08I never thought

00:47:09that was a big deal

00:47:10at the WB

00:47:11all of our shows

00:47:12had really strong

00:47:13female leads

00:47:14and so

00:47:15she's on a show

00:47:16that's all about

00:47:17growing up

00:47:18and morality

00:47:18and so

00:47:19seeing her

00:47:20a little less

00:47:21clad

00:47:21than she would be

00:47:22on an episode

00:47:23of 7th Heaven

00:47:24probably was a bigger deal

00:47:25however

00:47:26Stephen Collins

00:47:27had something

00:47:28to say about it

00:47:29actually

00:47:29he says

00:47:30the press

00:47:32has gotten

00:47:32Jessica Beale's

00:47:33age wrong

00:47:34in their recent

00:47:34stories about her

00:47:35she's not 18

00:47:37as been widely reported

00:47:38she's 17

00:47:39a minor

00:47:40and as such

00:47:42Jessica's photo spread

00:47:43was

00:47:43child pornography

00:47:45I don't want

00:47:46my kid

00:47:47to get the message

00:47:47that that's okay

00:47:49out of the mouths

00:47:50of babes

00:47:51Stephen Collins

00:47:52is right

00:47:52now is that

00:47:54a smokescreen

00:47:55for his own behavior

00:47:56Stephen Collins

00:47:57wants to be associated

00:47:58with being on

00:47:59a good guy

00:47:59on the right side

00:48:00of this issue

00:48:00to make sure

00:48:01no one has any hint

00:48:02of any trouble

00:48:03Jessica Beale

00:48:05still had two more years

00:48:06on her contract

00:48:06with 7th Heaven

00:48:07but Jessica

00:48:08is essentially

00:48:08written out

00:48:09of the show

00:48:10she's portrayed

00:48:10as a troubled teen

00:48:12who is sent away

00:48:13to go live

00:48:13with the grandparents

00:48:14Jessica Beale

00:48:16she was becoming

00:48:17such a big star

00:48:17on the show

00:48:18she wanted

00:48:19to do other stuff

00:48:20so you know

00:48:22you're trying to

00:48:23protect what's great

00:48:25about the show

00:48:26while being respectful

00:48:27to the actors

00:48:28Jessica would return

00:48:30for a few episodes

00:48:31here and there

00:48:32to fill out her contract

00:48:33our character

00:48:34was popping in and out

00:48:35she wasn't a big part

00:48:36of the show

00:48:37but the show

00:48:38was still a hit

00:48:39Jessica Beale's

00:48:39departure happened

00:48:41on episode 95

00:48:42and reaching 100 episodes

00:48:44is a milestone

00:48:44it's a success

00:48:45I want to thank Aaron

00:48:48on behalf of the cast

00:48:49when you're on

00:48:50a spelling show

00:48:51you can bet that

00:48:52things will go

00:48:54as smoothly

00:48:55and be as professionally

00:48:56run as they are

00:48:57anywhere in the business

00:48:58it feels great

00:48:59it feels great

00:49:00especially when you

00:49:01have a cast

00:49:02like people like this

00:49:03and the rest of the cast

00:49:04it's fun to work with

00:49:05it's a big number

00:49:06of episodes for a show

00:49:07and by today's standards

00:49:09how many shows

00:49:10hit 100 episodes

00:49:11almost none

00:49:12this is my favorite show

00:49:14I have ever been

00:49:16a part of

00:49:17I'm speechless

00:49:18I'm just so honored

00:49:19to have been

00:49:19you know

00:49:20a part of such

00:49:20a wonderful show

00:49:21having 100 episodes

00:49:23means the show

00:49:23can go on

00:49:24in syndication

00:49:25being replayed

00:49:26indefinitely

00:49:26and go on

00:49:27to be exposed

00:49:27to future generations

00:49:28and this potentially

00:49:29means more revenue

00:49:30for all the producers

00:49:32writers actors

00:49:33everyone involved

00:49:34in the production

00:49:34I don't know

00:49:35how long the show

00:49:36will go

00:49:36and if you can

00:49:38keep going

00:49:39and keep the show fresh

00:49:41that's marvelous

00:49:43but in season 6

00:49:45Barry had

00:49:46somewhat of a brush

00:49:48with cancer

00:49:49and he couldn't

00:49:50do all the episodes

00:49:51so producers

00:49:53were very good

00:49:54by introducing

00:49:54new characters

00:49:56fresh cast members

00:49:57to introduce

00:49:59fresh stories

00:50:00with different characters

00:50:01we'd introduce

00:50:01new neighbors

00:50:02the show actually had

00:50:05a good amount

00:50:06of cameos

00:50:06hi

00:50:07Mary-Kate

00:50:07and Ashley Olsen

00:50:08were in it

00:50:09Ashley Simpson

00:50:11was a regular character

00:50:12for two seasons

00:50:13one of the characters

00:50:14that really stood out

00:50:15who I loved

00:50:16so much

00:50:17was George Stoltz

00:50:18I'm baking you a cake

00:50:19now what kind of cake

00:50:20whatever kind of cake

00:50:21you want

00:50:21it's your birthday

00:50:22George

00:50:24and his brother

00:50:25they were a riot

00:50:27I'm Jeremy London

00:50:29Mallrats is what

00:50:31people know me

00:50:31the most from

00:50:32and playing Griffon

00:50:33on Party of Five

00:50:34and coming off

00:50:35of Emmy Award winning

00:50:36shows and Golden Globe

00:50:37winning shows

00:50:37and stuff like that

00:50:38but the 7th Heaven fans

00:50:40are people that

00:50:41like it means so much

00:50:41to them

00:50:42in season 7

00:50:43Jeremy London

00:50:44comes in

00:50:45as a new young minister

00:50:46and then Jeremy

00:50:47plays that role

00:50:48for two seasons

00:50:49Chandler

00:50:50it was a breath

00:50:52of fresh air

00:50:52it just was

00:50:53its own little piece

00:50:54of I don't say heaven

00:50:55but that's cheesy

00:50:56it was its own little piece

00:50:57of serenity

00:50:58my name is Kyle Searles

00:51:01and my friend

00:51:02Tyler Hackman

00:51:03he got booked

00:51:03as a series regular role

00:51:05on 7th Heaven

00:51:06for the role of Martin

00:51:08and I played

00:51:09his quirky best friend

00:51:11Mac

00:51:11who was the girl

00:51:13the blonde

00:51:13that was no girl

00:51:14that was a woman

00:51:16you know

00:51:17he was the one

00:51:17that was getting

00:51:18into trouble

00:51:18and stirring stuff up

00:51:20if you know what I mean

00:51:21hey I read your chapter

00:51:23from your English

00:51:24Lewis Ivan

00:51:25so nice job

00:51:26I also gave my instructor

00:51:29Margaret's paper

00:51:30only it had my name on it

00:51:32why would you do that

00:51:33I don't know

00:51:33that's textbook dad

00:51:35right there

00:51:36before getting cast

00:51:39on 7th Heaven

00:51:40I was your

00:51:41regular

00:51:42struggling actor

00:51:44so once

00:51:46I got the role

00:51:47to play Mac

00:51:48on 7th Heaven

00:51:49I'm coming on

00:51:50to a set

00:51:50where all of the actors

00:51:52for the most part

00:51:52are basically family

00:51:54at this point

00:51:55they're so tight knit

00:51:56and it was nerve wracking

00:51:58for me

00:51:58because I'm like

00:51:59they're not going

00:52:00to accept me

00:52:00but I remember

00:52:02my first day on set

00:52:04and Stephen

00:52:05immediately came

00:52:05straight up to me

00:52:06offered out his hand

00:52:08for a handshake

00:52:08introduced himself

00:52:10I'm like

00:52:10I know who you are

00:52:11you don't have to

00:52:12tell me your name

00:52:13he just

00:52:14was so good

00:52:15at

00:52:16disarming people

00:52:17and

00:52:18you just

00:52:19you immediately

00:52:20feel like

00:52:21accepted

00:52:22Stephen Collins

00:52:23was most certainly

00:52:24America's dad

00:52:25I mean I wanted him

00:52:26to be my dad

00:52:27I still want him

00:52:28to be my dad

00:52:28he would drive

00:52:31to work

00:52:32in a beat up

00:52:32old Toyota Prius

00:52:34every single morning

00:52:35when the man

00:52:36was making enough money

00:52:37that he could have

00:52:38been driving up

00:52:38in a Bentley

00:52:39he could have been

00:52:40decked out

00:52:40dressed to the nines

00:52:41but he was wearing

00:52:43what Jay Leno

00:52:44typically wears

00:52:45with the blue jean shirt

00:52:46and jeans

00:52:47you know

00:52:47I always felt like

00:52:50I want to be like that

00:52:51I need to model

00:52:52myself after him

00:52:53more

00:52:54in between takes

00:52:57Stephen would go over

00:52:58and he would

00:52:59strike up conversations

00:53:00with extras

00:53:01and that's another thing

00:53:03that you didn't

00:53:04really see very often

00:53:05or at least I didn't

00:53:07with main principal actors

00:53:08even associating

00:53:10themselves with extras

00:53:11you know

00:53:13women wanted to

00:53:14talk to him

00:53:14that actually worries me

00:53:16he seems to go

00:53:18out of his way

00:53:19to bring people

00:53:21into his sphere

00:53:22and that

00:53:24that sometimes

00:53:25speaks of sociopathy

00:53:26I don't know him

00:53:27but I worry

00:53:29that that's what's

00:53:29going on here

00:53:30I can't say

00:53:33that working on

00:53:347th Heaven

00:53:34was a very positive

00:53:35experience for me

00:53:36I left 7th Heaven

00:53:37because

00:53:37I got fired

00:53:39Jeremy is a

00:53:42really sweet guy

00:53:44he's super talented

00:53:45he's super open

00:53:46he had a bad

00:53:48drug problem

00:53:49while working

00:53:50on 7th Heaven

00:53:51my wife and I

00:53:52we were driving up

00:53:52from up to 405

00:53:54and things got stupid

00:53:55and we were

00:53:56yelling and screaming

00:53:57over something

00:53:58that we shouldn't

00:53:58have even been

00:53:59fighting over

00:54:00and that literally

00:54:02in that moment

00:54:02changed everything

00:54:04Jeremy's wife

00:54:15there's a question

00:54:16about whether

00:54:16she was using

00:54:17substances

00:54:17at the time

00:54:18as well

00:54:18saying that I

00:54:27beat up women

00:54:28that I was

00:54:28some kind of

00:54:29woman abuser

00:54:30but because of

00:54:33that

00:54:33I got turned

00:54:36into

00:54:36people were

00:54:37saying really

00:54:37horrible things

00:54:38about me

00:54:38and all of a

00:54:39sudden

00:54:40I was a bad

00:54:40person

00:54:41whenever I

00:54:42wasn't

00:54:43and so of

00:54:45course I started

00:54:45doing everything

00:54:46I could not

00:54:47to

00:54:47I'm sorry

00:55:17Hollywood abandoned

00:55:19me and chose

00:55:19to believe lies

00:55:20about me

00:55:21I think one

00:55:23of the strangest

00:55:24things about

00:55:25the business

00:55:26is the world

00:55:27is watching

00:55:28always

00:55:29and it wants

00:55:31to eat you

00:55:31and it wants

00:55:33you to fail

00:55:34that same year

00:55:36of this incident

00:55:37was Jeremy's

00:55:38last season

00:55:39of 7th Heaven

00:55:39it's very surprising

00:55:42to me actually

00:55:43that Stephen Collins

00:55:44didn't say anything

00:55:45about Jeremy

00:55:45publicly

00:55:46with WB

00:55:48we had learned

00:55:49through hard

00:55:50knocks

00:55:51that starting

00:55:52a network

00:55:52was really

00:55:53a completely

00:55:54different level

00:55:54of challenge

00:55:55the most prominent

00:55:56shows we did

00:55:57most of them

00:55:57had become

00:55:57part of the pop

00:55:58culture

00:55:58but then

00:55:59we did the

00:56:00merger

00:56:00with UPN

00:56:01to create

00:56:02a new brand

00:56:03from scratch

00:56:04it was entirely

00:56:05different team

00:56:05that was going

00:56:06to start

00:56:07the CW

00:56:08my job

00:56:09was to shut

00:56:09down

00:56:10the WB

00:56:11so we had

00:56:13internally discussed

00:56:15at WB

00:56:16wrapping up

00:56:177th Heaven

00:56:17at the end

00:56:18of the 10th season

00:56:19and so I went

00:56:20to see Aaron's

00:56:21villain

00:56:21and said

00:56:22I think

00:56:22you know

00:56:23we want to

00:56:24bring this

00:56:24to a natural end

00:56:25and he goes

00:56:26you're canceling

00:56:27my show

00:56:28I remember

00:56:29when they

00:56:31made the announcement

00:56:32that this was

00:56:33going to be

00:56:33the last season

00:56:34the seasoned veterans

00:56:36and the cast

00:56:37and the crew

00:56:38they were ready

00:56:39you know

00:56:39the worst part

00:56:41about doing

00:56:417th Heaven

00:56:42is a little bit

00:56:43of a groundhog day

00:56:43aspect of doing

00:56:44a show like

00:56:457th Heaven

00:56:45because you know

00:56:46we're in the

00:56:46here we are

00:56:47in the kitchen again

00:56:47here we are

00:56:48in the living room

00:56:49again

00:56:49they were ready

00:56:49for the next

00:56:50opportunity

00:56:51and the next

00:56:52stage in their

00:56:52life

00:56:53thanks everybody

00:56:54I think

00:56:54the newer actors

00:56:55we were having fun

00:56:56so why stop now

00:56:58because it's so tough

00:56:59to have that

00:56:59next big role

00:57:00when I left

00:57:02the show

00:57:03I did cry

00:57:04I felt

00:57:07a strong connection

00:57:08to the people

00:57:10that I work with

00:57:12it was

00:57:15in a very real sense

00:57:17the end of an era

00:57:18but there really

00:57:19hasn't been

00:57:21anything in terms

00:57:22of something that

00:57:23you know

00:57:23families can feel

00:57:24100% comfortable

00:57:25letting their kids watch

00:57:26I'm the mother

00:57:27of a 16 year old son

00:57:28and when he was

00:57:29in preschool

00:57:30it was really easy

00:57:31to find things

00:57:32that I was okay

00:57:32with him watching

00:57:33once I get to be

00:57:34about 8-9 years old

00:57:35it's really hard

00:57:37to find something

00:57:38that is

00:57:39clean

00:57:40and wholesome

00:57:41so the show

00:57:43actually was going

00:57:44to go off

00:57:45the next season

00:57:45but because

00:57:46the new network

00:57:47didn't have enough

00:57:48shows

00:57:48they made a choice

00:57:49to bring back

00:57:50the show

00:57:50after you already

00:57:51wrapped it

00:57:52so the 11th season

00:57:55was like

00:57:56an extra season

00:57:57it says a lot

00:57:58about the cast

00:57:59that the world

00:58:01sees and says

00:58:02we want more

00:58:037th Heaven

00:58:04went on for 11 seasons

00:58:06and the final show

00:58:08had an audience

00:58:09of 9 million people

00:58:11who were sorry

00:58:12to see it go

00:58:13it's the longest running

00:58:15family show in history

00:58:16when I worked

00:58:19on 7th Heaven

00:58:20that kind of set

00:58:21the standard

00:58:21in my mind

00:58:22as to what

00:58:23a set

00:58:24should be like

00:58:26and when I look back

00:58:28on my entire experience

00:58:31and in the business

00:58:32there was only

00:58:34a couple people

00:58:35that I could look back on

00:58:36and say

00:58:37they taught me something

00:58:40Stephen was definitely

00:58:43right there

00:58:44probably number one

00:58:46right before

00:58:507th Heaven started

00:58:51I was

00:58:53I played a sort of

00:58:54string of

00:58:54bad guy characters

00:58:56and then along

00:58:57comes 7th Heaven

00:58:57and now it's like

00:58:59I wonder if I'll ever

00:59:00get to play

00:59:00a bad guy again

00:59:01after 7th Heaven

00:59:03Stephen Collins

00:59:03played a lot of dads

00:59:04he was in the office

00:59:06playing a dad

00:59:07he was in Revolutions

00:59:08J.J. Abrams

00:59:09TV show

00:59:10and he appeared

00:59:11on the second season

00:59:12on It's Always Sunny

00:59:13in Philadelphia

00:59:13are these

00:59:14my beautiful children

00:59:16when I saw him

00:59:17show up on screen

00:59:18I'm freaking out

00:59:20this is

00:59:20the exact opposite

00:59:22of 7th Heaven

00:59:23I really can't stress enough

00:59:25how bizarre

00:59:26the second season is

00:59:27there are entire episodes

00:59:28of It's Always Sunny

00:59:29in Philadelphia

00:59:29that are so offensive

00:59:31that you cannot

00:59:31find them anymore

00:59:32they are not available

00:59:33on streaming

00:59:34I just saw you

00:59:35on an episode of

00:59:36It's Always Sunny

00:59:36in Philadelphia

00:59:37and you are so funny

00:59:39are you going to be

00:59:40doing any more

00:59:40of this role?

00:59:41so to see him

00:59:43on that show

00:59:44now he is canonized

00:59:45in the same way

00:59:47to a completely

00:59:48different audience

00:59:48who probably didn't

00:59:49grow up watching

00:59:507th Heaven

00:59:50about seven years

00:59:56after 7th Heaven

00:59:57had wrapped

00:59:58I didn't do

00:59:59a very good

01:00:00job maintaining

01:00:02contact with

01:00:04anybody

01:00:04not even Stephen

01:00:06but I remember

01:00:08getting a phone call

01:00:09it was actually

01:00:11a reporter

01:00:12for TMZ

01:00:13and they said

01:00:17we wanted to

01:00:18interview you

01:00:19on the new

01:00:20Stephen Collins

01:00:20bombshell

01:00:21that just dropped

01:00:22I don't have

01:00:25the slightest clue

01:00:25when you say

01:00:26bombshell

01:00:27I'm assuming

01:00:28you mean

01:00:28something bad

01:00:30right?

01:00:32and they were like

01:00:33oh yeah

01:00:33I read it

01:00:39in the paper

01:00:39I thought

01:00:40oh my god

01:00:41my heart

01:00:42hit the floor

01:00:42how could

01:00:43something like

01:00:43that happen?

01:00:46and within

01:00:4724 hours

01:00:48I spoke

01:00:48to Tom Green

01:00:49and the first

01:00:52things out of his

01:00:52mouth was

01:00:53did you hear?

01:00:57and I said

01:00:58hear what?

01:00:59and he said

01:01:00about Stephen

01:01:00on October 7th

01:01:032014

01:01:04TMZ put out

01:01:05a recording

01:01:05an audio

01:01:06of him speaking

01:01:08in a therapy session

01:01:09with his wife

01:01:09so the audio

01:01:10was actually

01:01:11taken from a

01:01:11session in 2012

01:01:12which is two years

01:01:13before it leaked

01:01:14it was clear

01:01:14that it was

01:01:15a session

01:01:16between

01:01:17Stephen

01:01:17his wife

01:01:18and their therapist

01:01:19and it was

01:01:19a session

01:01:20that was

01:01:20secretly recorded

01:01:21without his

01:01:21consent

01:01:22by his wife

01:01:22at this point

01:01:25he's having

01:01:26some marital

01:01:26discord

01:01:27with his wife

01:01:28Faye

01:01:28in this recording

01:01:32Stephen recounts

01:01:33his experience

01:01:34with a young girl

01:01:35he allegedly

01:01:36abused

01:01:37before April

01:01:37and you exposed

01:01:38yourself to

01:01:3910 year old

01:01:40sister

01:01:40did you have

01:01:41an erection?

01:01:44no

01:01:44partial erection

01:01:48in 1973

01:01:51this child

01:01:52was 10 years old

01:01:53Stephen was 25

01:01:53he was living

01:01:54in New York

01:01:55at the time

01:01:55at first

01:01:59I was hearing

01:02:00some buzzings

01:02:00of it

01:02:01but I wasn't

01:02:01putting it

01:02:02with my

01:02:03Stephen Collins

01:02:03because there's

01:02:05not a chance

01:02:05in hell

01:02:07my Stephen Collins

01:02:07is being accused

01:02:09of these things

01:02:09you don't accuse

01:02:11saints of things

01:02:11my defense

01:02:13was coming

01:02:14from a place

01:02:14where I was

01:02:15put in the same

01:02:16position

01:02:17and I didn't

01:02:17do anything wrong

01:02:18how did you talk

01:02:22to her

01:02:22what kinds

01:02:24of things

01:02:25did you

01:02:25the exposure

01:02:29happened

01:02:30a couple

01:02:32of times

01:02:33a couple

01:02:34of times

01:02:34with a 10 year

01:02:35old

01:02:35okay

01:02:36well

01:02:37you know

01:02:38she was 11

01:02:39and then

01:02:39like 12

01:02:40and 13

01:02:41there were

01:02:43like 3 incidents

01:02:44over about

01:02:453 years

01:02:46he admits

01:02:48to exposing

01:02:49himself

01:02:49two times

01:02:50to this victim

01:02:50and then

01:02:51the last time

01:02:52the worst thing

01:02:53that ever happened

01:02:53there was one

01:02:55moment

01:02:56of touching

01:02:56where

01:02:57her hand

01:02:59I put her hand

01:03:00on my penis

01:03:01you put her hand

01:03:02on my penis

01:03:02he seems

01:03:08a little irritated

01:03:09that he has to

01:03:10tell these stories

01:03:11with Faye

01:03:12that was

01:03:15in the disclosure

01:03:15that was also

01:03:16I also told you

01:03:18that

01:03:18when

01:03:19before that

01:03:21when we were

01:03:21in the hotel

01:03:22she knew

01:03:23something was

01:03:24bad

01:03:24and she was

01:03:25on it

01:03:26and that's

01:03:26what he was

01:03:27irritated about

01:03:27that she was

01:03:29blowing his cover

01:03:30and then

01:03:31Steven goes on

01:03:32to describe

01:03:33another alleged

01:03:34victim

01:03:34which sounds

01:03:35like April

01:03:36what were the

01:03:36other girls

01:03:37names

01:03:37was the niece

01:03:40of the woman

01:03:40who lived

01:03:41across the way

01:03:42even though

01:03:43it was beeped

01:03:43out obviously

01:03:44I knew

01:03:44that it was

01:03:45my name

01:03:45that he was

01:03:46saying on

01:03:47that taped

01:03:47confession

01:03:48and this has

01:03:49gone national

01:03:50how many times

01:03:51once

01:03:52oh it was so

01:03:54disgusting

01:03:54and then his wife

01:03:56said did you date her

01:03:57and that was so

01:04:03icky to me

01:04:04to hear her ask

01:04:05did you date her

01:04:06I wanted to

01:04:07almost vomit

01:04:07but what was

01:04:09even worse

01:04:09what the gut punch

01:04:10on that was

01:04:11was finally hearing

01:04:12that there wasn't

01:04:13just me

01:04:13it's also sad

01:04:18but there's a

01:04:19there's a

01:04:19third girl

01:04:20he admits

01:04:21to perpetrating

01:04:22against the

01:04:24babysitter

01:04:25of his children

01:04:25and then this

01:04:27recording

01:04:27ends abruptly

01:04:28I don't know

01:04:33why

01:04:34Faye taped it

01:04:35some people

01:04:35think it's

01:04:36because

01:04:36she

01:04:37just was

01:04:38taping her

01:04:38sessions

01:04:39to listen

01:04:39to them

01:04:39later

01:04:40and maybe

01:04:40reflect on

01:04:41them

01:04:41other people

01:04:42think that

01:04:42she recorded

01:04:42them

01:04:43because she

01:04:43knew

01:04:43that he

01:04:43had done

01:04:44this

01:04:44and wanted

01:04:45proof of

01:04:46it

01:04:46there's a

01:04:48third theory

01:04:48that she

01:04:49taped it

01:04:49because she

01:04:49was trying

01:04:50to get a

01:04:50settlement

01:04:50out of him

01:04:51in their

01:04:51divorce

01:04:51and this

01:04:52was a

01:04:52good way

01:04:52to blackmail

01:04:53him

01:04:53what we

01:04:53do know

01:04:54is he

01:04:54and his

01:04:55team

01:04:55has not

01:04:56come out

01:04:56and denied

01:04:57that it's

01:04:57him on the

01:04:57tape

01:04:58Aisha is

01:04:58completely

01:04:59right

01:05:00the way

01:05:03this was

01:05:03recorded

01:05:04and the

01:05:04fact that

01:05:05it was

01:05:05released

01:05:06unfortunately

01:05:06is reprehensible

01:05:07it's a

01:05:08terrible thing

01:05:09this is

01:05:10not okay

01:05:11but neither

01:05:12is the

01:05:13behavior

01:05:13that was

01:05:14uncovered

01:05:14it's like

01:05:15if I have

01:05:15videotape

01:05:16of you

01:05:16murdering

01:05:17somebody

01:05:17it doesn't

01:05:18matter

01:05:18why I

01:05:19want you

01:05:19to get

01:05:20in trouble

01:05:20you still

01:05:21murdered

01:05:21somebody

01:05:21she sees

01:05:22this clearly

01:05:23and she's

01:05:23correct

01:05:24I don't care

01:05:24what the

01:05:24circumstances

01:05:25were of how

01:05:25it comes up

01:05:26in a courtroom

01:05:27that's one

01:05:27thing

01:05:28but in the

01:05:28court of public

01:05:28opinion

01:05:29it is what

01:05:30it is

01:05:31knowing

01:05:37knowing that he

01:05:37has admitted

01:05:38to these

01:05:40accounts

01:05:41especially

01:05:41one in

01:05:42particular

01:05:42touching

01:05:43with a

01:05:4410 year

01:05:44old

01:05:44how do you

01:05:45feel about

01:05:45that

01:05:46it actually

01:05:46does not

01:05:47line up

01:05:47with the

01:05:48Stephen

01:05:48Collins

01:05:49I knew

01:05:51at all

01:05:51by the way

01:05:52I didn't know

01:05:52all those

01:05:53details

01:05:53about

01:05:54you know

01:05:54the recording

01:05:55did you

01:05:56listen to

01:05:57the recording

01:05:57yeah

01:05:58I don't

01:05:59think that

01:06:00I

01:06:00listened to

01:06:01the recording

01:06:02I think

01:06:02it was just

01:06:03me just

01:06:04trying to

01:06:04you know

01:06:05stick your

01:06:05head in the

01:06:05sand

01:06:06kind of

01:06:06thing

01:06:06walk me

01:06:10through

01:06:10first hearing

01:06:11these rumors

01:06:12whatever

01:06:13something

01:06:14happened

01:06:14I don't

01:06:15know what

01:06:15happened

01:06:15you're

01:06:16messing with

01:06:17somebody I

01:06:17love and

01:06:17care about

01:06:18and to

01:06:19see anybody

01:06:19messing with

01:06:20him

01:06:20it still

01:06:22makes my

01:06:23blood boil

01:06:23so

01:06:25Stephen

01:06:26in the

01:06:27recording

01:06:27he says

01:06:28that there

01:06:28were three

01:06:29incidences

01:06:30which I'm

01:06:38sorry to

01:06:38like

01:06:39put you

01:06:39through

01:06:40it's tough

01:06:40it's hard

01:06:41I'm a

01:06:42dad

01:06:42first and

01:06:45foremost

01:06:45above

01:06:47everything

01:06:47else

01:06:48and so

01:06:50my first

01:06:51um

01:06:52thoughts

01:06:54always

01:06:54go to

01:06:55the

01:06:55children

01:06:55Stephen

01:06:56Collins

01:06:56would be

01:06:57a

01:06:57dead

01:06:57man

01:06:57if

01:06:58that

01:06:58was

01:06:58my

01:06:59child

01:06:59after

01:07:05Faye Grant

01:07:06recorded

01:07:06Stephen Collins

01:07:07in the

01:07:08marriage

01:07:08therapy

01:07:09session

01:07:09she emailed

01:07:10the victim

01:07:11from 1973

01:07:12the same

01:07:15victim

01:07:15made a police

01:07:16report

01:07:16to the NYPD

01:07:17during the

01:07:18investigation

01:07:19the 10 year

01:07:19old girl

01:07:20revealed to

01:07:21police on

01:07:22the record

01:07:22that there

01:07:23was quite a

01:07:24bit more

01:07:24that went

01:07:24on with

01:07:25that

01:07:25contact

01:07:25it was

01:07:27not merely

01:07:28that he

01:07:29grabbed her

01:07:29hand and

01:07:30placed it

01:07:31on his

01:07:31genitalia

01:07:32he moved

01:07:34her hand

01:07:34until he

01:07:35completed

01:07:36the NYPD

01:07:46opened up a

01:07:47case against

01:07:47Stephen Collins

01:07:48they started

01:07:49an investigation

01:07:50and they brought

01:07:51Stephen Collins

01:07:52in for an

01:07:52interview

01:07:53and the

01:07:56information

01:07:56contained in

01:07:57those cases

01:07:57is not

01:07:58available for

01:07:59public information

01:07:59because it

01:08:01involves a

01:08:01minor

01:08:01but I

01:08:03can tell

01:08:03you

01:08:03the detective

01:08:04that had

01:08:04the case

01:08:04thought that

01:08:05Stephen was

01:08:06very weird

01:08:07but there

01:08:11was a problem

01:08:11already

01:08:11with the

01:08:12case

01:08:12because there

01:08:13were

01:08:13statute

01:08:13of limitations

01:08:14statute

01:08:15of limitations

01:08:15is the

01:08:17amount of

01:08:17time

01:08:17after you

01:08:18report a

01:08:19crime

01:08:19whether you

01:08:20can make

01:08:21an arrest

01:08:21or not

01:08:21so in

01:08:23sex crimes

01:08:24it's usually

01:08:26five years

01:08:26from the

01:08:2718th birthday

01:08:27the victim

01:08:28in 1973

01:08:29had until

01:08:30basically

01:08:31approximately

01:08:321986

01:08:32to make

01:08:33a report

01:08:34that we

01:08:34could prosecute

01:08:35and she

01:08:36didn't

01:08:36and she

01:08:37still made

01:08:37the report

01:08:38in 2012

01:08:40no charges

01:08:41were filed

01:08:42against

01:08:42Stephen Collins

01:08:43because of

01:08:43the statute

01:08:44of limitations

01:08:44had passed

01:08:45but it was

01:08:47still going

01:08:47to be

01:08:47investigated

01:08:48because you

01:08:49might find

01:08:49other cases

01:08:50that you

01:08:50can't prosecute

01:08:51there were

01:08:54like 10

01:08:54years between

01:08:55each incident

01:08:55that Stephen

01:08:56Collins admits

01:08:57to abusing

01:08:57these children

01:08:58there absolutely

01:08:59could be more

01:09:00victims

01:09:00after I heard

01:09:04the recording

01:09:04the very next

01:09:05morning I called

01:09:06the Los Angeles

01:09:07Police Department

01:09:07because I knew

01:09:08that they had

01:09:09an ongoing

01:09:09investigation

01:09:10and when I

01:09:12called

01:09:12and I said

01:09:14I'm calling

01:09:15about the

01:09:16Stephen Collins

01:09:16tape that aired

01:09:17last night

01:09:18and I gave

01:09:19them my name

01:09:20I said I know

01:09:20that he said

01:09:21April

01:09:21and I know

01:09:22that the name

01:09:23of the apartment

01:09:24complex was

01:09:25on Havenhurst

01:09:26and immediately

01:09:26they knew

01:09:28I was right

01:09:29and after that

01:09:30Los Angeles Police

01:09:31Department

01:09:32sent a detective

01:09:33to come talk

01:09:34to me

01:09:35they took

01:09:35a full statement

01:09:36and the New York

01:09:37Police Department

01:09:38sent two detectives

01:09:39to come to speak

01:09:40to me

01:09:40and they took

01:09:41a full statement

01:09:42but I knew

01:09:43from the beginning

01:09:44when I was giving

01:09:45the reports

01:09:46to the police

01:09:47departments

01:09:47that the statute

01:09:48of limitations

01:09:49had run out

01:09:49the investigations

01:09:53into him

01:09:54all kind of

01:09:55fell apart

01:09:55one case

01:09:57the girl

01:09:58in question

01:09:58in 1994

01:09:59did not come forward

01:10:01so there was

01:10:02nothing to prosecute

01:10:03how are you guys

01:10:09Mr. Collins

01:10:10how you doing

01:10:11good to see you

01:10:12good to see you

01:10:13I didn't hear much

01:10:15about those young girls

01:10:16but the thing

01:10:17that I noticed

01:10:18was

01:10:187th Heaven

01:10:20was off the air

01:10:21for a period of time

01:10:22well how do you feel

01:10:23about a lot of networks

01:10:24that you know

01:10:25took it off

01:10:26he stepped down

01:10:27from SAG too

01:10:27but I understand

01:10:29he's the figurehead

01:10:30of the show

01:10:31I mean you have

01:10:31to have some sort

01:10:32of reaction

01:10:34around that time

01:10:35he had two movies

01:10:36he was going to do

01:10:37he had a series

01:10:38called Scandal

01:10:39all these things

01:10:40are happening

01:10:40and are all gone

01:10:42thanks Mr. Collins

01:10:43nice to see you

01:10:43thank you

01:10:44appreciate it

01:10:44Mr. Collins

01:10:45thank you so much

01:10:46when it comes

01:10:47to Stephen Collins

01:10:48I think most people

01:10:49would just duck

01:10:50go into hiding

01:10:51after something

01:10:52like that

01:10:52it's exposed

01:10:52but that

01:10:57has not been

01:10:58his style

01:10:58so in December

01:11:012014

01:11:02Stephen Collins

01:11:03decides to sit down

01:11:04with Katie Couric

01:11:05on 2020

01:11:06so you never saw that

01:11:08no

01:11:09all right

01:11:09I'm going to pull up

01:11:10the video

01:11:10okay

01:11:11okay

01:11:13whenever you're

01:11:18I know that

01:11:22other people

01:11:22are going to judge

01:11:24and doubt

01:11:25and I can't do

01:11:25anything about it

01:11:26all I can do

01:11:26is tell my truth

01:11:28looking at this

01:11:30it's hard to interpret

01:11:31what you're seeing

01:11:31right

01:11:32because no doubt

01:11:33there's PR

01:11:34and lawyers

01:11:35and people

01:11:36telling Stephen Collins

01:11:37what he should say

01:11:38or what he can say

01:11:39and what he can say

01:11:40and not put himself

01:11:42in harm's way

01:11:43so this is all

01:11:45carefully crafted

01:11:46I'm sure

01:11:47the first incident

01:11:49how old was the victim

01:11:51she was 10

01:11:53I noticed

01:11:56he doesn't look

01:11:56so hurt to say it

01:11:58I had no idea

01:12:00the first one

01:12:01was 10

01:12:02I mean

01:12:05it's

01:12:05all three are wrong

01:12:07don't get me

01:12:07don't get me wrong

01:12:08but

01:12:09like I'm kind of like

01:12:15shaking right now

01:12:16well in 1973

01:12:19there were

01:12:21two occasions

01:12:23when I

01:12:24exposed myself

01:12:27to this young woman

01:12:28isn't that interesting

01:12:30he calls her a young woman

01:12:32she's 10

01:12:33how many 10 year old women

01:12:35do you know

01:12:36I don't know any

01:12:37that's interesting language

01:12:38for someone

01:12:39arguably too young

01:12:41to even really have a period

01:12:42he is warping language

01:12:44so subtly

01:12:45it twists

01:12:47fundamentally

01:12:48what he's done

01:12:49and

01:12:50I

01:12:52took her hand

01:12:54and

01:12:55moved it

01:12:56in such a way

01:12:57that

01:12:57she was

01:12:58touching me

01:12:59inappropriately

01:13:00he said

01:13:01she was touching me

01:13:02inappropriately

01:13:03you are

01:13:04molesting a child

01:13:05she is not touching you

01:13:06inappropriately

01:13:07those are a lot of words

01:13:08to say

01:13:09I

01:13:09forced her to give me

01:13:11a handjob

01:13:11I think we both

01:13:14just sat there

01:13:15we really didn't

01:13:16move a muscle

01:13:17he says

01:13:19we realized

01:13:20something unfathomable

01:13:21happened

01:13:22like they're in it

01:13:24together

01:13:24a lot of times

01:13:25pedophiles see

01:13:26the victims

01:13:28as a participant

01:13:29then a kid

01:13:31is 10 years old

01:13:32there is no we

01:13:32it's a child

01:13:34and after about

01:13:37what I recall

01:13:38is about 45 seconds

01:13:39I

01:13:41took her hand

01:13:43and

01:13:43moved it back

01:13:45he was very

01:13:47precise

01:13:48like

01:13:48it only happened

01:13:49this many seconds

01:13:50there was no talking

01:13:52and it was very quick

01:13:5345 seconds

01:13:54that's his interpretation

01:13:55he's saying

01:13:56it's 45 seconds

01:13:57let's be fair

01:13:58and say it's 45 seconds

01:14:00I think you should

01:14:02take some time

01:14:02to count 45 seconds

01:14:04and you tell me

01:14:05that's not a long time

01:14:07for a 10 year old

01:14:08to have her hand

01:14:09on your penis

01:14:10there were

01:14:11two times

01:14:12in 1982

01:14:14when

01:14:1520 years ago

01:14:16a lot of men

01:14:17who are accused

01:14:17of sexual violence

01:14:18do this

01:14:19where they

01:14:20will frame it

01:14:21in how many years

01:14:21it's been since

01:14:22they did it

01:14:23what does that have

01:14:23to do with anything

01:14:24you didn't admit

01:14:25to it then

01:14:26you didn't say sorry

01:14:27you didn't have

01:14:29to present in court

01:14:30you didn't have

01:14:31to pay a fine

01:14:31you didn't have

01:14:32to do anything

01:14:33you're right

01:14:34you've had 20 years

01:14:35to just live free

01:14:36despite what you

01:14:37are admitting

01:14:37to have done

01:14:38the look on

01:14:41the one in 1982

01:14:42was such

01:14:43that it immediately

01:14:45just stopped

01:14:47everything cold

01:14:47that's not what

01:14:49happened

01:14:50the way he portrayed

01:14:52it that it only

01:14:53happened once

01:14:53and everything

01:14:54it sent me

01:14:55into a fury

01:14:56he's trying

01:14:56to save his career

01:14:57and he's downplaying

01:14:58it but on the other

01:14:59hand as the person

01:15:00that it happened

01:15:00to I was enraged

01:15:01I am not

01:15:03attracted to

01:15:04underage girls

01:15:05this is the first

01:15:06time

01:15:06that

01:15:09I've ever thought

01:15:12that he's full

01:15:12of

01:15:12no I'm not

01:15:15I'm not

01:15:15satisfied with this

01:15:18I had like a knot

01:15:23in my stomach

01:15:24my whole world

01:15:28changed when I had

01:15:30kids of my own

01:15:31a whole world view

01:15:33and certainly my

01:15:35tolerance for

01:15:36this

01:15:37I think that goes

01:15:39without being said

01:15:40but you know

01:15:41what I mean

01:15:42I just think

01:15:45that maybe I

01:15:46put him up

01:15:47on a

01:15:48professional pedestal

01:15:50a bit too much

01:15:51are you a pedophile

01:15:54I do not fit

01:15:56the either clinical

01:15:57or dictionary

01:15:58definition of it

01:15:59that to me

01:16:00seemed like

01:16:00a prepared answer

01:16:01because

01:16:02we're just

01:16:03missing words

01:16:04pedophilia is a

01:16:05is a specific term

01:16:07that does refer

01:16:07to children

01:16:08but it's usually

01:16:09children under

01:16:09about 10 or 11

01:16:11what he is

01:16:12is a

01:16:12hemophiliac

01:16:13which is somebody

01:16:14who's attracted

01:16:14to prepubescent

01:16:16girls usually

01:16:17so 11 to 14

01:16:18so he's right

01:16:19there is a distinct

01:16:20word for what he is

01:16:21for him to know

01:16:22what the clinical

01:16:23definition is

01:16:24he knows the line

01:16:25to walk doesn't he

01:16:26the answer should

01:16:28have been

01:16:28doesn't matter

01:16:29what we call it

01:16:30what I did was

01:16:31I victimized

01:16:32young women sexually

01:16:33and I harmed them

01:16:34that's it

01:16:35that's what you did

01:16:41in seventh heaven

01:16:47there were three

01:16:48young women

01:16:48on the show

01:16:49from 7 to 15

01:16:50they're exactly

01:16:52the ages

01:16:52that

01:16:53a predator

01:16:54would love

01:16:55so did you ever

01:16:56witness anything

01:16:58with Stephen at all

01:16:58nothing

01:16:59it just didn't happen

01:17:00I would see

01:17:01I mean

01:17:01it may have happened

01:17:02but I wasn't

01:17:03I didn't see it

01:17:04what did you notice

01:17:05about him working

01:17:05with the young girls

01:17:06or with extras

01:17:07or anything like that

01:17:08what I noticed

01:17:08about Stephen Collins

01:17:10working with young girls

01:17:11and extras

01:17:11is that I never noticed

01:17:13a damn thing

01:17:13about Stephen Collins

01:17:14working with young girls

01:17:16and extras

01:17:16never crossed any lines

01:17:18of any

01:17:19any kind

01:17:21there's lots of safety rails

01:17:23when you have kids

01:17:24on a show

01:17:24for minors

01:17:25there are always

01:17:26people on set

01:17:27or teachers

01:17:28or monitoring

01:17:29situations

01:17:30got a sense

01:17:31that this was a

01:17:32really protected set

01:17:33I'm actually a personal

01:17:36friend of Beverly Mitchell

01:17:37she never reported

01:17:38any issues to me

01:17:39he was a nice guy

01:17:42he is a smart dude

01:17:43he is engaging

01:17:44and interesting

01:17:45and charming

01:17:47he is all of those things

01:17:48and he was engaged

01:17:50in some monstrous behavior

01:17:51after the child abuse scandal

01:17:567th Heaven

01:17:57became something

01:17:58that a lot of people

01:17:59didn't talk about

01:18:01but there were

01:18:04other actors

01:18:06on that show

01:18:06I love your show

01:18:07thank you so much

01:18:09this was their career

01:18:10and their lives

01:18:11it's honestly

01:18:12like just amazing

01:18:13and they're

01:18:14great people

01:18:15I'm actually

01:18:16very honored

01:18:17that I

01:18:17that I get to be part

01:18:19of this

01:18:19rare thing nowadays

01:18:21so one person's actions

01:18:22should that also

01:18:25take this piece of culture

01:18:27that we all have

01:18:28and destroy it

01:18:29do you feel

01:18:37that you can make

01:18:38a comeback

01:18:38as an actor

01:18:39oh you know

01:18:41I'm lucky enough

01:18:42to get past

01:18:43Stephen Collins' story

01:18:45broke a few years

01:18:46before similar stories

01:18:48about other Hollywood

01:18:49icons

01:18:49and well before

01:18:50the Me Too movement

01:18:51I'm so glad

01:18:55that there

01:18:55people saying

01:18:56how much

01:18:57the show

01:18:57means to them

01:18:58he just

01:18:59was able

01:18:59to fade away

01:19:00into obscurity

01:19:01over that

01:19:02I used to always

01:19:07say that

01:19:07memories are

01:19:08like they're

01:19:09all encased

01:19:09in little amber

01:19:10balls

01:19:12to keep them safe

01:19:14like the insect

01:19:15in Jurassic Park

01:19:16and the amber

01:19:16you don't put

01:19:18the memory

01:19:18on a table

01:19:19and get a sledgehammer

01:19:20and go

01:19:20and break it open

01:19:21I feel

01:19:24we all

01:19:25are angry

01:19:26the victims

01:19:27and the friends

01:19:28we all feel

01:19:29betrayed

01:19:30you can't change it

01:19:31the person

01:19:32and the thing

01:19:33that was in that amber

01:19:33was someone different

01:19:34and that's what you loved

01:19:36and when something

01:19:37now has happened

01:19:37here

01:19:38you don't defend them

01:19:40you don't say

01:19:41it's okay

01:19:42but you don't

01:19:43then destroy

01:19:44you know

01:19:45all of these

01:19:46bits of amber

01:19:47memories

01:19:47Stephen Collins

01:19:50now lives

01:19:51with a woman

01:19:52who is 40 years

01:19:53younger than him

01:19:53she was a super fan

01:19:55the age difference

01:19:57given what we know

01:19:58about his history

01:19:59does certainly

01:20:00raise an eyebrow

01:20:01let's hope

01:20:01he can commit

01:20:02to this woman

01:20:02and not

01:20:03perpetrate on others

01:20:04I'm sure

01:20:08Stephen Collins

01:20:09would hope

01:20:09that he is remembered

01:20:10for being an actor

01:20:12he is not

01:20:13and will not

01:20:13be remembered

01:20:13for that

01:20:14I know

01:20:15Stephen Collins'

01:20:17face

01:20:17from 7th Heaven

01:20:18but I know

01:20:19his name

01:20:19because of

01:20:20his scandals

01:20:21off screen

01:20:21and when you look

01:20:24back at Stephen Collins'

01:20:25career

01:20:26you can see

01:20:27some of these

01:20:28signs along the way

01:20:29he wrote

01:20:30erotic thrillers

01:20:31he was in that movie

01:20:33Babysitter Seduction

01:20:34two years after he

01:20:35admittedly exposed himself

01:20:37to a babysitter

01:20:38when I'm rewatching

01:20:407th Heaven now

01:20:41in one of the last few seasons

01:20:42Ruthie who's now

01:20:44basically like

01:20:45a teenager

01:20:46is dancing provocatively

01:20:48and her father

01:20:50is watching her

01:20:51it's actually so

01:20:52uncomfortable to watch

01:20:53so growing up

01:20:54you were my favorite

01:20:55preacher dad

01:20:56these things

01:20:58don't need to read

01:20:59as creepy

01:20:59they don't need to

01:21:00they shouldn't

01:21:01but they do

01:21:02because now we know

01:21:03what kind of a person

01:21:04Stephen Collins is

01:21:06I played a sort of

01:21:07string of

01:21:07bad guy characters

01:21:09so there's a scene

01:21:10and it's all of a sudden

01:21:11in Philadelphia

01:21:11save the children

01:21:14save the children

01:21:16save the children

01:21:17save the children

01:21:18just it's hard

01:21:20to listen to

01:21:21when these kind of

01:21:22stories come out

01:21:23how do you separate

01:21:24the work from

01:21:25the person

01:21:25and

01:21:27it's so hard

01:21:29for me to imagine

01:21:30anyone doing that

01:21:31Stephen Collins

01:21:32played dozens

01:21:33of different characters

01:21:34but perhaps his

01:21:35greatest acting job

01:21:36was transforming

01:21:38himself into

01:21:38the Stephen Collins

01:21:39we thought we knew

01:21:41as opposed to

01:21:42the Stephen Collins

01:21:43we now know

01:21:44does he offer

01:21:46real life

01:21:47playing 7th Heaven

01:21:48what's your message

01:21:49tonight

01:21:49for you

01:21:49and kids

01:21:50don't believe

01:21:53everything you

01:21:54hear on television

01:21:55don't believe

01:21:57everything you hear

01:21:58on television

01:21:59I rest it

01:22:09yeah

01:22:10he's not a Power Ranger

01:22:13he's people

01:22:14Power Rangers has

01:22:18a dark history

01:22:19he ran him

01:22:20through with the sword

01:22:21he started

01:22:24sending pictures

01:22:25of my house

01:22:26and of my car

01:22:28it's like

01:22:30okay

01:22:30this is getting

01:22:31serious now

01:22:31Sheriff's deputies

01:22:33found

01:22:33this is one family

01:22:35a single generation

01:22:36of six brothers

01:22:37and I'm the only one

01:22:39left now

01:22:39if there were ever

01:22:40a circumstance

01:22:41that looked like a curse

01:22:42it's this one

01:22:43you always hear

01:22:44with a child

01:22:44and it comes out

01:22:45all wild

01:22:46I don't know

01:22:46why you guys

01:22:47did this to me

01:22:48my friend

01:22:49just hang himself

01:22:50about to be sued

01:22:51I'm innocent

01:22:51I think the majority

01:22:53of people

01:22:53don't know

01:22:54the true story

01:22:55why did you decide

01:22:58that you wanted

01:22:58to speak now

01:22:59what is going on

01:23:02can I just have

01:23:04a moment

01:23:04I don't know

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