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  • 4/11/2025
At Wednesday's House Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Bob Onder (R-MO) spoke about illegal immigration and sanctuary cities.

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00:00conclude and recognize Mr. Onder. Thank you Mr. Chairman and thank you for all the
00:08witnesses here today. You know less than a week after I was sworn in as a new
00:14member of Congress one of my 18 year old constituents was sexually assaulted on a
00:19lift ride which was driven by an illegal alien who had overstayed his tourist
00:26visa. Five days later this same illegal alien again kidnapped and assaulted
00:33another one of my constituents this time while we're driving an uber. Thankfully
00:38our local St. Charles County Missouri Police Department arrested him two days
00:43later and this violent illegal alien faces multiple felony charges including
00:50second-degree sexual assault and third-degree kidnapping. And while he is
00:55being held on a two hundred fifty thousand dollar bond, ICE could issue a
00:59detainer requesting St. Charles County PD to notify ICE before he's released from
01:05custody so that ICE can take him into custody. And I have no doubt that in St.
01:11Charles County the police department will cooperate. In addition Missouri has a law
01:18which I actually passed in 2008 banning sanctuary jurisdictions and at the same
01:25time requiring local police to cooperate with ICE in enforcement of
01:32our immigration laws. But of course, and that's why we're here today, in other
01:35states and jurisdictions some police departments routinely deny these ICE
01:39detainers returning violent illegal aliens like this rideshare driver back
01:44into our communities. Sanctuary cities are dangerous because they release
01:49really safety threats to our back into our communities. And of course, Tom, our new
01:56immigration star, Tom Holman recognized that he will make fighting this a priority. Mr.
02:02Holman, if a sanctuary city ignores or denies an ICE detainer, does ICE eventually
02:09apprehend the criminal alien? It obviously depends on the situation and obviously ICE has resource
02:17constraints and their ability to comply with, you know, to issue every request and how it works. I
02:22mean, the operational roadblocks that ICE is currently hitting based on the accounts that are
02:29running dry, the money they have in the backfill, they're not even close when it comes to capability at
02:35the moment. So that would be sometimes called an at-large arrest. And why is that more dangerous to
02:43ICE offener officers and to the aliens and to the community than if the jurisdiction simply honored
02:51an ICE detainer? I mean, because they have to go out in the field and conduct a removal effort that
02:56is complex. You're already seeing it too, the other side of groups on the left were out there leaking
03:01pending operations of them going to raid a house because they don't want it to happen when they're
03:06putting them at risk. Every enforcement operation that happens out there is at risk for them. 98%
03:13of illegal aliens are currently Roman free. We can't even track them with a monitoring device
03:16or they're not even in our custody or just, you know, like going out into the abyss and trying to
03:21find these people and putting their lives at risk. It's dangerous. And do these illegal aliens who are
03:27released, do they sometimes reoffend? Oh, of course. Absolutely. I mean, there's,
03:34and then the thing too, it's when it comes to any crime that's committed by an illegal alien is 100%
03:39preventable. We could have prevented every single one. You cannot compare them to US citizen crime
03:45rates. It's impossible. And, you know, proponents of sanctuary jurisdictions sometimes argue that
03:51honoring ICE detainers cooperating with ICE will erode confidence in the community
03:58and the local law enforcement, make people afraid to come forward and report crimes. What say you to
04:05that? Show me one example of it. I want to hear one example of a person that was arrested for reporting
04:13a crime. We have legal immigration pathways that do protect witnesses and things like that. Show me
04:18one example of it. I still have not heard one from any law enforcement officer. Thank you.
04:25And Mr. Chairman, I would, without objection, I'd like to offer in for the record,
04:33three, three studies, one quote, another fatally flawed study on illegal alien crime from the Cato
04:41Institute. Another SCAP data suggest illegal aliens commit crime at a much higher rate
04:47than citizens and lawful immigrants. And a third, Cato Institute's analysis on illegal alien crime,
04:54latest in a long history of poor scholarship. I think there's sometimes this narrative that illegal
05:00aliens are more law abiding than American citizens. And I think that is truly false.
05:05Without objection. Thank you. I yield back.
05:06Mr. Gill.

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