At today's House Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) questioned witnesses about sanctuary city policies and the federal government.
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00:00It seems to me that the problem here is we have people not doing their jobs in Washington and they want to blame local governments and put the pressure on them. I yield back to you, Mr. Chairman.
00:11Thank you, gentlemen. Chairman Jordan.
00:13Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Sheriff, are you familiar with the Department of Homeland Security Immigration Detainer Notice of Action Form? Are you familiar with these forms?
00:21I've heard of them, yes.
00:23Yeah. OK. And these forms down about halfway down the page, it says it is therefore requested that you this is going to local law enforcement request that you notify DHS as early as practicable, at least 48 hours, if possible, before the alien in your custody is released.
00:38All right. Is that is that partisan or is that just common sense?
00:42It depends on who you ask, but it is the ranking member said we got we need to function in a bipartisan way.
00:49I don't think that's partisan. That's just saying, hey, you got a bad guy, at least someone who's been charged with crime in your possession.
00:55He's also an illegal migrant. Can you give us a 48 hours heads up before you release him to the streets?
01:01Sure. That makes sense to me. Right. I don't I don't think that's partisan.
01:04I think that just use common sense. Mr.
01:06Holman, are you familiar how this form of this form works that this detainer process is supposed to work?
01:11All right. The next line says maintain custody of the alien for a period not to exceed 48 hours beyond the time.
01:17Again, this is we're requesting you do. They're not demanding.
01:20We're just requesting you help us out law enforcement working with other law enforcement to protect the safety of law enforcement.
01:25And of course, the public at large beyond the time when he or she would otherwise have been released from your custody to allow DHS to assume custody.
01:32Again, that seems like common sense to me. But sanctuary policies prevent these two requests from taking place.
01:38Is that right? If you're a sanctuary state, sanctuary city, you don't comply with these.
01:43You may give them like we're going to give you a 10 minute notice.
01:46We're going to release them and then tell you we already released them.
01:48That's how it works in these sanctuary cities in these sanctuary states.
01:51Is that right, Mr. Holman?
01:52That's correct, too. It's even interesting, too.
01:54Under the Biden administration, you have a lot of state and local law enforcement who think that they're not going to comply with ICE based on their experiences under the Biden administration.
02:05ICE had policies in place that made it so hard for enforcement and removal officers to actually work with these jails.
02:14Yeah.
02:15They made it next to impossible.
02:16So you have all of these jails that think, oh, I don't know if I'm going to comply.
02:19I may get penalized if a state puts an aggressive restriction on that.
02:22But everything is going to be streamlined.
02:24If they want to comply, it will be a good process.
02:26Yeah.
02:27Let's put up on the screen.
02:28Are you familiar with the name Abraham Gonzalez?
02:30Mr. Holman, do you know this guy?
02:32Abraham Gonzalez?
02:33I do not.
02:34OK, this guy was really just this year, February 28, 25.
02:38He was released.
02:39Look and look at what the sheriff's department put here.
02:41This is a ICE notification.
02:43They put the stamp on there being released to the streets.
02:46And this guy had been in custody for 345 days.
02:50And ICE had sent this very form asking, hey, can you give us a 48 hour heads up before this guy who was charged with aggravated assault,
02:58charged with stealing an automobile, charged with menacing.
03:01Can you just give us a heads up?
03:03And guess what Denver, Sanctuary City, Denver did.
03:06They called him one hour before and ICE couldn't get there.
03:09And they released this guy to the streets as they stamped on the form.
03:12Now, what I find interesting, can we put that back up again?
03:14What I find interesting is under the section flag seat over there on the right hand side, it says he's cleared.
03:21But then look what it says, violent to staff.
03:24So the very people who released him to the streets knew this guy.
03:28He'd been charged again with aggravated assault, stealing a car.
03:31But he'd also been violent to the very people in the jail who were holding him.
03:35And they still wouldn't give notice to ICE.
03:37And then, as I said in my opening statement, this guy is released to the streets.
03:41ICE goes out to arrest him.
03:43The officer gets hurt.
03:44They had to tase the guy so the migrant gets hurt.
03:47Tell me how that is not.
03:50Tell me why that we should have that kind of policy happen, Mr. Holman.
03:54Well, we shouldn't.
03:55It doesn't keep our communities safer in any sense.
03:57And again, what they're trying to do here is they say, hey, at least we tried an hour heads up or whatever.
04:03But how can they look at that man to release him on the streets, knowing the crimes that have been committed, knowing that risk?
04:09How can they say, hey, we'll see you later as he goes off and could potentially commit another crime down the line?
04:15I mean, is it worth it to instill trust with the immigrant community?
04:18How about, you know, the citizens?
04:21And how about the harm that they could face due to the unknown of releasing a dangerous criminal alien to the streets?
04:27They knew this guy had a propensity to be violent to law enforcement because he had done it in their very jail.
04:32And they can't give federal law enforcement a heads up.
04:36Sheriff Wagner, would you have given him a heads up?
04:39I think in that circumstance, I would.
04:41Yeah, you certainly would.
04:43But for people who do what you would do, you're now getting sued for that, right?
04:48Your attorney general is coming after you.
04:50And as the gentleman over here said, you know, we should stay out of local business, right?
04:55And so here I am with the state attorney coming down on me for trying to juggle the whole mess.
05:02Because that's how law enforcement you're supposed to work with other law enforcement when you can and not violate the Constitution.
05:07Just be in good common sense way to make sure people are safe, law enforcement safe, public is safe.
05:11And frankly, as I said before, even the migrant is safer when you do it that way, when you do it the common sense way versus the sanctuary city way.
05:18And that's what we really have to.
05:19I think that's really the decision here.
05:22Common sense or sanctuary city way.
05:25I think common sense wins out every time.
05:28That I yield back.
05:30Gentleman yields back.
05:31Mr. Nadler.
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