PTI, Plagued by Factionalism, How Will It Form an Opposition Alliance?
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00:00These things are not an alarm for us, that what will happen.
00:03These backdoor contacts, whether they will remain in the hands of a party or not,
00:07we had put this in the first reservations and said that this will not happen.
00:12If someone has contacts, then he will decide the order of the alliance.
00:16That alliance has not been formed yet, or even the old alliance,
00:20I think even its order does not know about this matter.
00:22And this is going on, so in this way, it will become difficult for us.
00:29There is another stakeholder of the alliance, Mr. Haqan Abbasi.
00:33He is also not happy with the way things are going.
00:35What is he saying? Listen to this.
00:37In PTI, the issue is that every person speaks differently.
00:41And Imran Khan himself says that he has said this to me.
00:44So there is a lot of contradiction in those things.
00:46That is why when he speaks, it is not permanent.
00:48You cannot make a decision on it with confidence.
00:51If the Chief Minister of KP starts a personal attack on Mr. Mulana,
00:54starts various things, then the atmosphere becomes bad.
00:57So this matter has not been resolved yet.
01:00Okay, so you have seen that in this matter,
01:02there are cases of allegations,
01:04which were also filed by Ali Amin Ghandapur.
01:07And Asad Kaisar, Shehram Tarqai, Atif Khan,
01:10they were also accused.
01:11So these cases are also present in their place.
01:13By the way, what do you make of it?
01:16I mean, the concerns of the JUI,
01:18and where is this boat going?
01:20Look, PTI is now fighting the movements,
01:25they have been divided into different groups.
01:28And sometimes they try to get real freedom from the American Congressmen.
01:34Sometimes they want to get real freedom by fighting the Oxford election.
01:40Sometimes they want to get real freedom by writing letters to the Chief of Army Staff.
01:44And now these people are trying to backdoor diplomacy.
01:48In which they are trying to involve journalists.
01:53So PTI is in utter confusion.
01:55The issue is that they are not taking their allies on board.
01:58Look, I think, we thought that if this Grand Alliance is formed,
02:03then it will not be a bad move, it will be a good move.
02:06Because PTI itself has been doing the politics of dissolution,
02:10and will continue to do so, as per their mood.
02:12So it will be a trump on them,
02:15that when these allies will come,
02:17then maybe some sense will prevail because of them.
02:20Because of JUIF or other parties,
02:23their dissolutionary politics will not be a part of it.
02:27This is what we thought.
02:28But now the dissolution is within PTI.
02:31And there is a fight going on,
02:34and they are fighting each other.
02:36Sometimes one is running, sometimes another.
02:38So now I think this phase of the Grand Alliance has gone a little far.
02:44Mr. Nasir, you are from the Noon League.
02:48Mr. Rana, you are from the People's Party.
02:51So they often call it the beauty of democracy,
02:54that there are differences of the party,
02:56so what if they come forward and talk.
02:58Do you think that this is the right way,
03:00that you are giving a statement like this on the podcast,
03:03then you are giving other statements,
03:05then even if someone is keeping quiet.
03:07So what should be the mechanism in the parties
03:09to co-operate with such things?
03:11If there is an increase in the number of people,
03:13then these issues come out.
03:17Are you talking about PTI?
03:19Yes, I am talking about PTI.
03:21What should be the mechanism?
03:23The issue with PTI is that,
03:25everything revolves around Mr. Khan,
03:30and it is obvious that he is not out yet,
03:33so only a few people are meeting him,
03:36and then he comes forward and says,
03:38we talked about this.
03:40But they say that revolving around a central figure
03:44is the same in your party.
03:46If we talk about the Noon League,
03:48it is the same there as well.
03:52But look, we have some other things as well,
03:54that there are other senior leaders,
03:56no one goes to Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
03:58he also has a position.
04:00Similarly, there are some other people
04:02who are outside or inside,
04:04but then that confusion is arising,
04:06for example, what is being discussed now,
04:08on the statement of Mr. Sawati,
04:10if he wants to talk to the army chief,
04:12then what is the harm in that?
04:14He is the army chief of Pakistan,
04:16he is not talking to the army chief of India.
04:18There should not be any confusion in this.
04:20Secondly, you talked about the unity,
04:22the unity of the opposition,
04:24in which Mr. Maulana is also there,
04:26it is obvious that PTI has an important role,
04:28there will be other people as well.
04:30I am talking about the unity
04:32of the opposition,
04:34there will be other people as well.
04:36I am seeing that the day this protest
04:38will take place,
04:40how will there be slogans being raised,
04:42because Mr. Maulana,
04:44when he talks about the election,
04:46he says that I have been scolded,
04:48in that 90% of the seats are those,
04:50which were won by the people
04:52supported by PTI.
04:54So on one side,
04:56PTI will be raising slogans
04:58against PMLN, PP and others,
05:00and on the other side,
05:02PTI will be raising slogans
05:04against PMLN, PP and others,
05:06and on the other side,
05:08PTI will be raising slogans
05:10against PTI as well.
05:12And that too,
05:14standing with Mr. Gandapur.
05:16These things,
05:18will be very surprising.
05:20Now I will take the answer
05:22from the Senator.
05:24Mr. Waleed,
05:26how does it make you feel,
05:28when you see that the things
05:30are being talked about
05:32in the form of an interview,
05:34and if Bani was outside,
05:36he wouldn't have appreciated that.
05:38Do you think so?
05:42What Mr. Shah said,
05:44that Mr. Imran Khan
05:46has very limited access,
05:48and he is being limited.
05:50In this,
05:52I totally agree with him.
05:54And what is further,
05:56I want to say two things.
05:58Number one,
06:00when the access is limited,
06:02because of that,
06:04all kinds of challenges
06:06are faced.
06:08Now, there was a meeting,
06:10about which no person
06:12said anything.
06:14But in the newspapers,
06:16people are saying,
06:18one newspaper is saying,
06:20that Mr. Khan gave this idea,
06:22and the other two people
06:24who went to meet him,
06:26and this is a well-known newspaper,
06:28the other newspaper is saying,
06:30sources,
06:32it is not taking the name of sources,
06:34that the two representatives
06:36of PTI went to meet him,
06:38and they convinced Mr. Khan,
06:40that we should have this discussion.
06:42Now,
06:44whoever makes a narrative,
06:46whoever leaks out the narrative,
06:48there is no truth in it,
06:50I consider it as a storm in a cup of tea.
06:52Now, in KP,
06:54where PTI is in power,
06:56people are fighting each other,
06:58and there is no equality.
07:00Thank you very much,
07:02Senator Waleed Iqbal,
07:04Nasir Hussain Shah,
07:06Rana Hassan Afzal.