"You Bloody CLOWN!" Simon Jordan & Martin Keown's HEATED CLASH On Liverpool And Arsenal 'BOTTLING'

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00:00We're talking about the outcome of the Canberra Cup final yesterday at Wembley.

00:0388,000 were there yesterday.

00:06Great chat beforehand with Rob Lee, former Newcastle player,

00:09with Jan Molby, former Liverpool player,

00:13who were talking to many, many fans in the Great Hall with me beforehand.

00:16And it was a terrific experience all round.

00:19I mentioned that I was in touch with Eddie before the game yesterday.

00:22There's one.

00:22Jim, did you text Slot?

00:24Good luck yesterday before the game.

00:25Just in the interest of unbiased broadcasting.

00:28No, I didn't.

00:29Have you got Slot's number?

00:30Not yet.

00:30You'll need to give me it.

00:31Yeah, I'll need to get that.

00:33And then I'll text Arne the next time.

00:35Well, when they win something.

00:36They're going to win the Premier League.

00:37So I should have it by then.

00:38And then, yeah, I'll text him.

00:40In the meantime, Slot was asked post-match.

00:43Well, what actually happened out there?

00:46Was it a simple case of Newcastle wanted it more?

00:49This was Arne.

00:50It's 70 years since they've last won a trophy, maybe.

00:53But that's for the fans.

00:55And the players have 15 years to play football.

00:57And they want to win every single trophy.

00:59They are competing for.

01:00That's also what we want.

01:01But it was a game that went the way they wanted it to go.

01:07And they got, just before halftime,

01:10some extra energy with the goal, which they probably

01:12deserved after the first 45 minutes

01:14because they were threatening us more than we threatened them.

01:19And so, yeah, I don't think there was more hunger for them.

01:26The game went the way they wanted it to go.

01:29And they are stronger in that part of football than us.

01:34And that's why they beat us.

01:36Martin Keown, alongside Tamin and myself this morning.

01:39How about it, Martin?

01:41Were Liverpool a no-show?

01:42Or were they forced to go missing by Newcastle?

01:46It was very much about Newcastle and the way

01:48that they stopped Liverpool from being successful.

01:50So they denied the press.

01:52So a lot of what Liverpool do is about winning the ball

01:55high up the pitch.

01:56And it creates an energy and a fever in their play.

01:58And that was missing.

01:59And they couldn't really settle because they

02:01kept playing the ball long.

02:02And then they exposed Liverpool in that area.

02:05I think the physicality of the three midfield monsters,

02:09I call them, I mean, they really are physical specimens.

02:12Tonali is such a good player.

02:15He's a workhorse.

02:17I think it was really clever to put him just

02:19in front of the back four.

02:20Because the distances he covers, high intensity runs,

02:23it's all under the bonnet.

02:25We see a lot of Bruno either being fouled or fouling.

02:29I think there's something in that.

02:30McAllister does this for Liverpool.

02:31Indulging us here, we're praising people.

02:33And he took the game away from Liverpool.

02:37They did it really well.

02:38I understood his logic, the manner,

02:40I thought he explained it really well, Slott, after the game.

02:42The zonal marking thing for set pieces,

02:45I wouldn't agree with him.

02:46If I was in his staff, I'd have to question it.

02:48So what he said, we have five players in a zonal area.

02:51And we have three that mark.

02:52But you have to mark somebody of Dan Byrne's size in your zone.

02:58We did this at Arsenal, and we marked in our zone.

03:01If you're seeing something manifest itself in the game,

03:03surely you have to change.

03:04By the way, you should praise Tonali.

03:06And it's the least he can do for the football club,

03:07given the circumstances he's put them in.

03:08So he should be out there doing his job.

03:10I would agree with that.

03:11I would agree with that absolutely wholeheartedly.

03:13What about Joe Linton-Martin?

03:15A guy who, it never seemed he was

03:17going to make it at Newcastle.

03:18Changed his position, and is now a favorite

03:22of all favorites.

03:23They love the guy.

03:25Do you know what?

03:26Incredible energy, up and down the pitch.

03:28He's strong.

03:29He handles the ball well.

03:30I think there is something in that.

03:32So I think you've got two there that are really

03:35very good under pressure.

03:36Bruno's very good in tight situations, so is Tonali.

03:39And another one that's more leggy, powerful player.

03:41It's a nice combination, that midfield three.

03:44I felt sorry for Willock a little bit,

03:46because the way that they put Arsenal away,

03:49I think it was a good preparation for the final.

03:51That they could show that they could actually

03:53take the ball away from the team that passes the ball.

03:55I mean, PSG-Liverpool was a fantastic game of total football.

03:58And here we are now, we had a different side to the game.

04:00It was a throwback.

04:01It was nice to see, if you're a coach, you're watching,

04:03and say, okay, maybe this works to go long a little bit.

04:06I'm conscious of the fact that off the back

04:07of talking about Liverpool, we're back on Newcastle.

04:09Let's get back to Liverpool.

04:11Has the shining Simon been taking off slots

04:13perfection in any way over the last week?

04:15Going to win the league, aren't they?

04:16Anybody that closed their eyes and said

04:18at the end of the season, Liverpool were going to win

04:20the Premier League, and would anyone suggest

04:21any shine at any particular point?

04:23Because there was an assumption that maybe you could win a treble.

04:26You could say, and I'm just hearing it in my ears now,

04:28you could say, I'm paranoid, paranoid again.

04:30If this was Arsenal losing two major games like that,

04:32you'd say they bottled it.

04:34To win the league.

04:34But I don't think, no, no, they've just gone out

04:36of the Champions League and they've just lost a top one.

04:38You'd be saying Arsenal have bottled it.

04:40No, I wouldn't, because they're going to win it.

04:41No, you would, because that would be the mischievous part

04:43to your personality.

04:44We're seeing all of it exposed here this morning.

04:46You've no love for the fact that a team has won a trophy

04:49after 70 years and you can't find it in your heart

04:52to see any joy in that.

04:53All done.

04:54But you want to aim, you want to aim at an easy target.

04:57All done.

04:57But I'm going to say, no, Liverpool, Liverpool,

05:00that was taken away from them by a very good Newcastle.

05:03And Liverpool haven't bottled it at all, they haven't bottled it at all.

05:05So let's get it right, right.

05:06You just asked the question, answered it yourself,

05:08created an added debate with yourself.

05:11I'm learning with you.

05:11I would not suggest, if Arsenal won bugger all,

05:14which is what they do do right now, I would say they bottled it.

05:17If Liverpool lose the league now, if Liverpool lose the league now,

05:22what do you think I'll say?

05:23Liverpool aren't going to lose the league.

05:23I'm talking about what's just happened.

05:25What have they just lost?

05:25So you can't make the argument they've bottled it, can you?

05:29And you can't compare it to the argument that I made with Arsenal,

05:32who were eight points clear in the one competition that they could win,

05:35the one competition they could win, and they didn't.

05:38Liverpool had three opportunities to win a competition.

05:39If they win one of them, I'm not going to turn around and say they bottled it.

05:42And by the way, I wasn't in the camp of saying they were going to do a treble either.

05:45What is the difference between what Liverpool have done this week?

05:47Because they're going to win something, unlike your lot, you bloody clowns.

05:51But they haven't done it yet.

05:51They get so close to winning something and they don't, and they're bottle merchants.

05:54I don't think that. I don't like that word.

05:56I don't like it aimed at anyone.

05:58I just think they've had a very difficult week, this PSG.

06:01PSG were absolutely remarkable in the way that they played.

06:04And Newcastle were exactly the same.

06:05You've got Arsenal derangements in there.

06:07I'll put it to you, to any degree.

06:10I mean, they went out to PSG.

06:13They lost in the FA Cup to Plymouth.

06:15They lost yesterday in the Carabao Cup final.

06:18I watched them trudge out of there yesterday.

06:20Now, of course, they've got the Premier League.

06:23But has the shine been taken off anything

06:26that Slot has tried to achieve or looked like trying to achieve?

06:29It was going to be, wow, it's now, yeah, Premier League, but brilliant.

06:34Yeah, but they've just lost two games on the belt.

06:36All the timing of when it's come and when the adjusting and it was going beautifully well.

06:39It does take the shine. Of course it does.

06:41And now you've got three players that haven't signed.

06:43They're contracts.

06:44Now, what does that tell us?

06:45So you've got Van Dijk, you've got Salah.

06:47The attention is now coming towards Liverpool.

06:49But I think it was almost...

06:50Are they going to win the league?

06:51Yes, they will.

06:52It's the most difficult thing in the world.

06:53But that makes it worthwhile that you've had to play...

06:55It's the most difficult domestic competition.

06:56It's everyone's bread and butter.

06:57Everyone starts, even Guardiola, starts with the principle of win the league.

07:00Of course.

07:01Are they going to win the league?

07:02Without doubt, they're going to win.

07:03Forget this little Arsenal derangement syndrome.

07:04They're going to win.

07:05I'm just saying, please don't go with this bottling thing because it doesn't make it...

07:09But they haven't.

07:10And no one did.

07:11You did.

07:12You put that label, because it's cheap journalism, on certain clubs.

07:16Arsenal!

07:17Correct.

07:18Not certain clubs.

07:19Your club, you loon.

07:20They bottled the league that season.

07:21So why haven't Liverpool bottled it this week?

07:23Because they're in cup competitions.

07:24You get knocked out in knockout games.

07:25If you win over 38 games and you're 12 points clear and you don't win the league, you bottled it.

07:29If you're 8 points clear when you get to the business end of the season and you choke, you choke.

07:33You can still be accused of...

07:34End of discussion.

07:35You can still be accused.

07:36And the fact of the matter is, Martin, Liverpool at the moment sit there this morning with

07:39a 12 point advantage.

07:4112 points more than Arsenal.

07:44If they were to choke at this stage, that would be choke with a capital check.

07:48And it would be big bottling.

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