Aiteraz Hai | Aniqa Nisar | ARY News | 16th March 2025
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
00:20In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
00:50In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
01:20In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
01:50In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
02:20In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
02:50In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
03:20In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
03:50In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
04:20In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
04:50In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
05:20In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
05:30In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
05:40In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
06:10In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
06:40In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
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07:40In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
08:10This is clear, Mr. Laghari. This is a matter of the future.
08:13But I am still stuck on this figure of 150 billion rupees.
08:17You said that if you go towards net metering, then you get rid of the burden of capacity payments.
08:23That is, if someone, by doing something, by installing a solar panel,
08:27gets rid of the burden of the government's wrong decisions,
08:31the burden of IPPs' capacity surcharge,
08:35then why does this become a problem for him, Mr. Laghari?
08:38He did the right thing by getting rid of the burden of the government's wrong decisions.
08:45That's a very good question.
08:48When he got rid of the burden, he did the right thing by investing.
08:52When he got rid of the burden by investing,
08:55the profit that he got from investing,
08:59which was initially given on the basis of 27 rupees,
09:02and now will be given on the basis of 10 rupees,
09:05that was a windfall profit that he was getting on the basis of 27 rupees,
09:09which he rationalized and brought on the basis of 10 rupees.
09:12In our future planning, we have assumed that 10,000 more megawatts,
09:178,000 more megawatts will be installed in the next 8 years.
09:23And with that, with that assumption,
09:26if these rates were not revised,
09:29the burden on you, the difference in that price,
09:32about 3,000 and a few hundred billion rupees in the next 8 years,
09:36the government would have paid more because of the owners of these solar net meters,
09:41which was not fair.
09:43My 200-unit person, 300-unit person,
09:47or even a 700-unit person,
09:50who is not on a solar net meter,
09:53why should he carry the burden of an undue profit on his head?
09:57And for my people, why should a 3.5-unit electricity be expensive?
10:01But, Anika, please, I am saying this again and again,
10:04the 2,83,000 consumers of today will not have any difference.
10:09The remaining consumers who will come in the future,
10:12they will also come in the system,
10:14and you will see that there will be no shortage of solar net meter installations, God willing.
10:20Okay, Mr. Laghari, you are saying that we have estimated 8,000 megawatts,
10:24and it will come back to the grid of solar net metering,
10:27and it will become a part of the system.
10:29So, Mr. Laghari, these 8,000 megawatts,
10:31we were talking about installing some more power plants,
10:35and talking about producing more electricity.
10:37So, after these 8,000 megawatt consumers,
10:40do we need to install any other power plant,
10:43or make any other scheme from where we can produce energy?
10:49Anika, when I came to the ministry a year ago,
10:52for the first time in the history of Pakistan,
10:55there is an IG, who plans for the future,
10:58which you are saying,
11:00that what kind of generation should be taken,
11:02who should buy it, at what rate,
11:04at what part of the country should it be installed.
11:07So, let me inform you today,
11:09that the burden of buying another 17,000 megawatts was on us,
11:14the burden of buying another 17,000 megawatts was on us,
11:17we have reduced that burden of 17,000 megawatts,
11:20through our planning,
11:22and we are taking a new program of IG,
11:24to the Prime Minister,
11:26at the end of next week,
11:28in which,
11:30and if we would have stayed on that program,
11:33if we would have stayed on the old rates of solar net metering,
11:37then you know,
11:39that in the next 8 years,
11:41your people,
11:43will have to spend another 4,500 billion rupees,
11:46on unnecessary electricity,
11:48and 5 to 6 rupees per unit,
11:50your electricity cost,
11:52will be even more expensive.
11:54So, we have not only crushed,
11:56that 17,000 megawatts,
11:58out of 10,000 megawatts,
12:00but in the future,
12:02the government will not buy electricity,
12:04and open competitive markets,
12:06which I am introducing,
12:08through ISMO,
12:10which will operate,
12:12and through that,
12:14business people,
12:16and consumers,
12:18will buy and sell,
12:20electricity,
12:22through an electricity exchange,
12:24and its effect,
12:26will forever,
12:28benefit you,
12:30us,
12:32and the people in the future.
12:34So, Mr. Lagari,
12:36the estimate of 8,000 megawatts,
12:38is a kind of liberal estimate.
12:40But, for example,
12:42people say,
12:44what is the benefit of,
12:46grid net metering,
12:48we are not benefiting,
12:50so we go towards batteries,
12:52instead of grid,
12:54people go towards,
12:56energy sharing,
12:58then this 8,000 megawatt system,
13:00will not benefit us,
13:02right Mr. Lagari?
13:04First of all,
13:06the slide I have given you,
13:08if we give the grid,
13:10the benefit will be less,
13:12look at the slides carefully,
13:14when you and the people,
13:16will study it,
13:18this will also be proven.
13:20Secondly,
13:22this 8,000 megawatt,
13:24this means that you are encouraging,
13:26people to install their own batteries,
13:28and not to do net metering.
13:30Ultimately,
13:32when the price of the battery will come down,
13:34and will be economically feasible,
13:36at this time,
13:38the government of Pakistan,
13:40has never stopped people,
13:42from installing off-grid.
13:44This net metering,
13:46is around 4,000 megawatt,
13:48in Pakistan,
13:50around 10,000-12,000 megawatt solar panels,
13:52are installed outside the system of net metering,
13:54which are not in the net metering,
13:56they are off-grid,
13:58they are installed on tube wells,
14:00which are not in the net metering system,
14:02and we and Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
14:04and the Prime Minister,
14:06are encouraging it,
14:08with no tax, no custom duty,
14:10with all exemptions,
14:12and we are proud of it,
14:14that our grid is also producing 55% clean energy,
14:16which is a very good activity,
14:18in our region,
14:20Alhamdulillah.
14:22So Lagari Sahib,
14:24apart from the solar policy,
14:26our energy mix,
14:28because your government,
14:30has another 3.5 years,
14:32how much coal, solar panels,
14:34how much solar power,
14:36how much hydel?
14:38Anika,
14:40in the base load,
14:42European countries,
14:44like Germany,
14:46and all other countries,
14:48still depend on the base load of fossil fuels,
14:50and in the near future,
14:52I think,
14:54this dependence will not end
14:56in any country,
14:58but today,
15:00our grid is producing
15:0285-90% clean energy,
15:04on the grid,
15:06and we think,
15:08in the next 7-8 years,
15:10we will leave our planning,
15:12InshaAllah,
15:14till the end of our government,
15:16in the next 7-8 years,
15:18our grid will be producing
15:2085-90% clean energy,
15:22which will be providing
15:24hydel, solar, wind,
15:26and nuclear power,
15:28which will be providing
15:30hydel, solar, wind,
15:32and nuclear power,
15:34which will be providing
15:36hydel, solar, wind,
15:38and nuclear power,
15:40which will be providing
15:42hydel, solar, wind,
15:44and nuclear power,
15:46which will be providing
15:48hydel, solar, wind,
15:50and nuclear power,
15:52which will be providing
15:54hydel, solar, wind,
15:56and nuclear power,
15:58which will be providing
16:00hydel, solar, wind,
16:02and nuclear power,
16:04which will be providing
16:06hydel, solar, wind,
16:08and nuclear power,
16:10which will be providing
16:12hydel, solar, wind,
16:14and nuclear power,
16:16which will be providing
16:18hydel, solar, wind,
16:20and nuclear power,
16:22which will be providing
16:24hydel, solar, wind,
16:26and nuclear power,
16:28which will be providing
16:30hydel, solar, wind,
16:32and nuclear power,
16:34which will be providing
16:36hydel, solar, wind,
16:38and nuclear power,
16:40which will be providing
16:42hydel, solar, wind,
16:44and nuclear power,
16:46which will be providing
16:48hydel, solar, wind,
16:50and nuclear power,
16:52which will be providing
16:54hydel, solar, wind,
16:56and nuclear power,
16:58which will be providing
17:00hydel, solar, wind,
17:02and nuclear power,
17:04which will be providing
17:06hydel, solar, wind,
17:08and nuclear power,
17:10which will be providing
17:12hydel, solar, wind,
17:14and nuclear power,
17:16which will be providing
17:18hydel, solar, wind,
17:20and nuclear power,
17:22which will be providing
17:24hydel, solar, wind,
17:26and nuclear power,
17:28which will be providing
17:30hydel, solar, wind,
17:32and nuclear power,
17:34which will be providing
17:36hydel, solar, wind,
17:38and nuclear power,
17:40which will be providing
17:42hydel, solar, wind,
17:44and nuclear power.
17:50So, in the country,
17:52you will also be helping
17:54in the production of electricity,
17:56and it will be attached to the grid,
17:58and the net metering will also be done.
18:00Now, there is another issue,
18:02and a very interesting argument
18:04is going on between Mr. Mifta Ismail
18:06and Mr. Vaiz Lagari on Twitter,
18:08and Mr. Mifta Ismail is saying
18:10that the government is ready
18:12to cut the electricity rate,
18:14sorry, but not the rates
18:16at which it sells us electricity,
18:18Mr. Mifta Ismail is with us,
18:20Mr. Mifta Ismail, thank you very much,
18:22you are a former minister of finance,
18:24and secretary general of the
18:26Pakistan People's Party,
18:28and at this time, you have
18:30also made a voice
18:32for the solar panel beneficiaries.
18:34Mr. Lagari was saying
18:36that there will be a problem
18:38for the new beneficiaries,
18:40and the contract with the
18:42previous beneficiaries
18:44will remain as is.
18:46Let's go to Mr. Mifta Ismail.
18:48Yes, thank you.
18:50Let me clarify this point
18:52of my brother, Mr. Hawez.
18:54He has done gross metering
18:56from net metering.
18:58For example,
19:00he used to sell 500 units
19:02to a beneficiary,
19:04and he used to buy 200 units,
19:06and he used to put a sale tax
19:08on 300 units.
19:10Now, what has happened
19:12is that the units
19:14that he will sell
19:16will cost around Rs. 9.
19:18Now, he is saying that
19:20he will put a sale tax
19:22on all the 400 units
19:24that he will sell.
19:26After that, he said
19:28that he will put a sale tax
19:30on the units that he will buy.
19:32He will buy units worth
19:34Rs. 22.
19:36He will not buy units worth
19:38Rs. 27, he will buy units
19:40worth Rs. 22.
19:42The second thing is
19:44that he will put a sale tax
19:46on all the units.
19:48He will put a sale tax
19:50on units worth Rs. 44
19:52and put a sale tax on them
19:54worth Rs. 9.
19:56So, there will be a substantial
19:58difference in your bill.
20:00You will get a sale tax
20:02of Rs. 9 on every unit
20:04that you sell.
20:06Similarly, he bought
20:08units worth Rs. 8.
20:10He will put a sale tax
20:12on units worth Rs. 8.
20:14He will put a sale tax
20:16on units worth Rs. 8.
20:18He will put a sale tax
20:20on units worth Rs. 8.
20:22He will put a sale tax
20:24on units worth Rs. 8.
20:26He will put a sale tax
20:28on units worth Rs. 8.
20:30He will put a sale tax
20:32on units worth Rs. 8.
20:34He will put a sale tax
20:36on units worth Rs. 8.
20:38He will put a sale tax
20:40on units worth Rs. 8.
20:42He will put a sale tax
20:44on units worth Rs. 8.
20:46He will put a sale tax
20:48on units worth Rs. 8.
20:50He will put a sale tax
20:52on units worth Rs. 8.
20:54He will put a sale tax
20:56on units worth Rs. 8.
20:58He will put a sale tax
21:00on units worth Rs. 8.
21:02He will put a sale tax
21:04on units worth Rs. 8.
21:06He will put a sale tax
21:08on units worth Rs. 8.
21:10He will put a sale tax
21:12on units worth Rs. 8.
21:14He will put a sale tax
21:16on units worth Rs. 8.
21:18He will put a sale tax
21:20on units worth Rs. 8.
21:22He will put a sale tax
21:24on units worth Rs. 8.
21:26He will put a sale tax
21:28on units worth Rs. 8.
21:30He will put a sale tax
21:32on units worth Rs. 8.
21:34In a government,
21:36a person's thinking
21:38is based on the government.
21:40You are killing people.
21:42Why are you selling electricity
21:44worth Rs. 50 to someone
21:46who can make electricity
21:48worth Rs. 10?
21:50People who have installed
21:52solar panels are saying
21:54that they will not face any problem.
21:56But the fact is that
21:58if sales tax is imposed
22:00while buying and selling,
22:02will they go off-grid?
22:04Will they start installing
22:06batteries instead of net metering?
22:08The truth is that
22:10in 2-3 years,
22:12in Pakistan,
22:14batteries will start coming.
22:16Sodium will come.
22:18Chinese are making it.
22:20It will cost you Rs. 5-6.
22:22If you put 1 kW of electricity
22:24in a battery
22:26and take out 1 kW,
22:28it will cost you Rs. 5-6.
22:30It will cost you Rs. 10.
22:32If you make solar panels
22:34worth Rs. 10-12,
22:36it will cost you Rs. 10.
22:38You will get electricity
22:40worth Rs. 22.
22:42I am requesting you
22:44that the way a mobile phone
22:46has ended the PTCL deal
22:48and the landline
22:50may not be at your home
22:52and you may not even know
22:54the phone number.
22:56I really don't know
22:58if you have a mobile phone or not.
23:00I will ask my wife after the show.
23:02The truth is that
23:04the way the PTCL deal
23:06has ended,
23:08now there is a reform in the world.
23:10There is a technological revolution
23:12and it will end.
23:14Your generation,
23:16people will install solar panels
23:18in their homes.
23:20Now the grid will be
23:22that if I go on leave,
23:24I will get more electricity
23:26for my neighbor.
23:28If her child is getting married,
23:30she will get more electricity.
23:32Everyone will have their own batteries.
23:34It will be borrowing.
23:36The system in Pakistan
23:38is that everything is in the hands
23:40of the government.
23:42They are state-owned enterprises
23:44which should not be.
23:46We were going to privatize
23:48discourse.
23:50We wanted to open up
23:52and pull back the government
23:54You have encouraged
23:56and now you are discouraging.
23:58Will it be easy to trust
24:00any policy of the government?
24:02No.
24:04Three months ago,
24:06Mr. Shahbaz said
24:08publicly
24:10that
24:12Sardar Awais Khan Lagari
24:14said that solar is the way to go.
24:16If we install 5,000, 6,000, 10,000 megawatt
24:18solar panels in homes,
24:20our problems will end.
24:22To add to your point of view,
24:24on June 9, 2023,
24:26solar panels and batteries
24:28were exempted from
24:30custom duty.
24:32Yes,
24:34they were exempted from
24:36sale tax.
24:38They did it anyway.
24:40My request is
24:42that
24:44the Pakistani government
24:46should give
24:48a little discount to the poor.
24:50In India,
24:5286% of the electricity
24:54sold
24:56is less than 200 units.
24:58In 200 units,
25:00you run two fans and a refrigerator.
25:02After 400 units,
25:04if an AC is installed
25:06in someone's house after 500 units,
25:08the rate is Rs. 40.
25:10You are selling them for Rs. 40
25:12when your variable cost is Rs. 9
25:14and the average cost is Rs. 18 or 19.
25:16You are killing
25:18middle-class people.
25:20The subsidies and inefficiencies
25:22that you have to give
25:24are being given to middle-class people.
25:26This is not the burden of the government.
25:28It is the burden of the people.
25:30I was talking to a journalist
25:32today.
25:34He was asking me how the economy is.
25:36I asked the journalist
25:38that you read the newspaper every day
25:40and you watch TV every day.
25:42Can you tell me
25:44if the government has taken
25:46any steps to improve the economy?
25:48The government
25:50has not taken any steps
25:52to improve the economy.
25:54If Mr. Raghari was here,
25:56he would have disagreed with you
25:58and said that the government
26:00has not taken any steps
26:02to improve the economy.
26:04There are so many things
26:06that they would count.
26:08My question is that
26:10you are on the government side
26:12and you are on the people's side.
26:14If you are on the government side,
26:16what will be the way out?
26:18If you are being burdened
26:20by people's solar panels,
26:22but it is easy for people
26:24to go to solar panels,
26:26there should be a way out.
26:28First of all, people have to admit
26:30that they are standing here
26:32because of the wrong policies
26:34of the government.
26:36This is not the fault of the people.
26:38It is our fault.
26:40Mr. Raghari said that we cannot
26:42satisfy the whim of the elites
26:44and all that.
26:46I requested him that the people
26:48should not decide on their whim.
26:50Politicians like me and others
26:52decide on their whim.
26:54After that, think that
26:56all your policies are wrong.
26:58You have given subsidies
27:00to poor people up to 100 units
27:02and then 200 to someone.
27:04One unit is used more,
27:06you put a penalty on it.
27:08You should encourage
27:10people to buy it.
27:14Won't the IMF come?
27:16No, it won't come.
27:18My request is that
27:20who has stopped you
27:22from privatizing?
27:24Reform is not about
27:26spending a lot of money
27:28on people.
27:30This year,
27:32they have invested
27:34855 billion rupees
27:36to subsidize electricity.
27:38Yesterday, they levied
27:4070 rupees for petrol.
27:42They did not do the 10-20 rupees
27:44which could have been less.
27:46They said that they will
27:48subsidize electricity.
27:50Was it necessary to invest
27:521100 billion rupees in PSGP?
27:54Was it necessary
27:56to invest 700 billion rupees
27:58in MNREG and MPS?
28:08Thank you very much, Mr. Mifta
28:10for joining me in the program.
28:12On one hand,
28:14it is about economy
28:16and on the other hand,
28:18we have to talk about Balochistan.
28:20Today, another sad incident
28:22took place in Noshki.
28:24Three F.C. drivers and two civilians
28:26were arrested.
28:28Welcome back after the break.
28:38On one hand,
28:40we are playing politics
28:42and we are thinking
28:44how our politics will be
28:46and when our turn will come.
28:48On the other hand,
28:50terrorists and enemies
28:52are fighting each other
28:54to harm them
28:56and to destroy their country.
28:58On one hand,
29:00we are playing politics
29:02and on the other hand,
29:04we are thinking
29:06how our politics will be
29:08and when our turn will come.
29:10On one hand,
29:12we are playing politics
29:14and on the other hand,
29:16we are thinking
29:18how our politics will be
29:20and when our turn will come.
29:22On one hand,
29:24we are playing politics
29:26and on the other hand,
29:28we are thinking
29:30how our politics will be
29:32and when our turn will come.
29:34On one hand,
29:36we are playing politics
29:38and on the other hand,
29:40we are thinking
29:42how our politics will be
29:44and when our turn will come.
29:46On one hand,
29:48we are playing politics
29:50and on the other hand,
29:52we are thinking
29:54how our politics will be
29:56and when our turn will come.
29:58On one hand,
30:00we are playing politics
30:02and on the other hand,
30:04we are thinking
30:06how our politics will be
30:08and when our turn will come.
30:10On one hand,
30:12we are playing politics
30:14and on the other hand,
30:16we are thinking
30:18how our politics will be
30:20and when our turn will come.
30:50On one hand,
30:52we are playing politics
30:54and on the other hand,
30:56we are thinking
30:58how our politics will be
31:00and when our turn will come.
31:02On one hand,
31:04we are playing politics
31:06and on the other hand,
31:08we are thinking
31:10how our politics will be
31:12and when our turn will come.
31:20Across the line,
31:22all the political forces
31:24take a unified position
31:26on terrorism.
31:28And just like
31:30after APS,
31:32against TTP,
31:34a by and large support base
31:36was seen,
31:38the same kind of support base
31:40is needed.
31:42On ground,
31:44as far as kinetics is concerned,
31:46I am absolutely sure
31:48that
31:50they will eliminate
31:52this threat
31:54provided that
31:56we provide
31:58that support base.
32:00I am sorry,
32:02I have to cut you short over here.
32:04The problem is,
32:06the kinetics base
32:08is one point of the National Action Plan.
32:10The rest of the points
32:12are to be done by all the politicians
32:14including you and Balochistan.
32:16All the politicians of Balochistan
32:18are ready to join
32:20the National Action Plan.
32:22All the terrorists,
32:24are ready to join
32:26the National Action Plan.
32:28We will not allow
32:30this kind of activity in Balochistan.
32:32Enough is enough.
32:34I am putting this point
32:36in front of you
32:38and your listeners.
32:40The National Coercion
32:42is not about
32:44uniting the army.
32:46The police, the F.C.
32:48and the army are saying different things.
32:50Obviously,
32:52my point is
32:54for your opinion makers,
32:56for your social leadership,
32:58for your political leadership.
33:00This is not only for the politicians.
33:02This confusion is present in the media.
33:04It is present in the opinion makers.
33:06Mr. Kakar, we will come to the opinion makers later.
33:08You are related to politics,
33:10so I will talk to you about politics.
33:12Who will take the first step?
33:14Who will bell the cat?
33:16Who will start this?
33:18If you are asking specifically,
33:20I think that
33:22for the past 14 years,
33:24we have been
33:26continuously accepting this
33:28and we have been expressing it
33:30on different forums.
33:32Whether it was the first time
33:34when I was in the Senate,
33:36or when I was a translator
33:38for the government,
33:40my opinion has not changed at all.
33:42We have been continuously saying
33:44that the terrorists
33:46should be treated
33:48as terrorists.
33:52The rationalization of social
33:54and political theories
33:56and the attempts of violence
33:58will harm you.
34:00The results will not be good.
34:02I think that is evident now.
34:04The rest of the politicians,
34:06I am not speaking on their behalf.
34:08The need is that
34:10whether it is from any party
34:12or any thought,
34:14this is the point.
34:16The number of travellers on this train,
34:18whether it is a PTI voter,
34:20a Noon League voter,
34:22a People's voter,
34:24an Akhtar Mangal voter,
34:26a Pashtun Khan Naib voter,
34:28a Baab Party voter,
34:30irrespective,
34:32they have targeted all the people.
34:34They have not separated anyone
34:36on the basis of caste and religion.
34:38Irrespective of which political
34:40group we follow,
34:42or which leader we consider
34:44to be our leader,
34:46at least we need
34:48unanimity on this.
34:50There is absolutely no other way.
34:52Dr. Abdul Malik Balot
34:54was saying that
34:56many things were going well
34:58during his time.
35:00There is absolutely no doubt
35:02about that.
35:04What is happening
35:06to educated women
35:08going to such activities
35:10including Maharang Baloch
35:12or those women
35:14who are partying?
35:16Who is brainwashing
35:18educated women
35:20whose lives are bright
35:22to go to such activities?
35:24When you look at
35:26different moments of violence
35:28or insurgencies,
35:30the young boys
35:32and girls
35:34are more concerned
35:36about gender.
35:38Overall,
35:40regardless of their
35:42gender,
35:44women have not become
35:46a part of violent movements.
35:48Look at the Kurdish movement.
35:50Who are the Pashmira fighters?
35:52They are all Kurdish women.
35:54There was a woman
35:56who killed Rajiv Gandhi.
35:58She was not a man.
36:00She was a Tamil woman.
36:02You can see these tendencies.
36:04Whenever violence
36:06reaches its final phase,
36:08it mostly
36:10radicalizes
36:12the youth
36:14to the extent
36:16that they take extreme steps.
36:18Secondly,
36:20there is no need
36:22to romanticize it.
36:24I do not think
36:26that a woman
36:28is a role model.
36:30The world is creating
36:32artificial intelligence.
36:34The world is doing start-ups.
36:36This is a
36:38bad act.
36:40It is a bad act.
36:42It is a bad act.
36:44It cannot be called
36:46a civilized
36:48human society
36:50or a civilized
36:52political activity.
36:54We need a multi-pronged strategy.
36:56We cannot tolerate
36:58terrorism
37:00even if it is done
37:02by terrorists.
37:04We cannot end it
37:06even if it is done
37:08by opinion makers
37:10and politicians.
37:12For a multi-pronged strategy,
37:14we need a singularity
37:16of goal of nation.
37:18Do you see that?
37:20This is the challenge.
37:22No matter how complicated
37:24the threat is,
37:26it is questioning
37:28your existence.
37:30When someone questions
37:32or challenges your existence,
37:34no matter how complicated
37:36your political environment is,
37:38no matter how toxic it is,
37:40you have to come to a point
37:42for your co-existence.
37:44I believe that
37:46sooner or later,
37:48all these
37:50groups will realize
37:52and the situation
37:54will change.
37:56You will have to
37:58sit down
38:00and make a decision
38:02in both these areas.
38:04There is no other way
38:06but to take a unified stand.
38:08Let the representatives
38:10of the people be elected.
38:12Don't make puppets.
38:14If the representatives of the people
38:16come to Balochistan,
38:18they will be able to
38:20speak freely
38:22instead of being
38:24cut off from the people.
38:26They don't even know
38:28the requirements of the people.
38:30Isn't this the need, Mr. Kakar?
38:32This is my problem.
38:34Whenever such incidents occur,
38:36instead of focusing on the killers
38:38and how to confront them,
38:40the debate is turned
38:42to genuine representation
38:44and non-genuine representation.
38:46Is that not an issue, Mr. Kakar?
38:48Democracy is a big issue in Pakistan.
38:50Not just in Pakistan,
38:52throughout the region.
38:54We are not a settled democracy.
38:56Let's admit that.
38:58Such groups were formed
39:00during the time of Ayub
39:02in Punjab.
39:04Did people start violent movements there?
39:06Mr. Kakar, it is absolutely not allowed
39:08to take up arms against the state.
39:10Let me tell you that
39:12when you are unified
39:14to confront that issue,
39:16governance,
39:18democracy,
39:20representation,
39:22I will have a debate with you
39:24about the people
39:26who are in the assembly
39:28with four or five members.
39:30They understand the elections
39:32of those six members,
39:34but they don't understand
39:36the elections of the other members.
39:38This is debatable,
39:40but it can be debated.
39:42It will be settled gradually.
39:44I think that
39:46this argument is used
39:48as a smokescreen
39:50to unite Pakistan
39:52with the other parties.
39:54Representation should be
39:56right in all of Pakistan,
39:58not just in Balochistan.
40:00Why doesn't this argument
40:02come up in KPK?
40:04Let me accept this argument.
40:06The opposition party
40:08in KPK
40:10has a claim
40:12that they have
40:14a genuine mandate.
40:16Even under that mandate,
40:18violence will not end.
40:20This means that
40:22there is no direct connection
40:24between the mandate and violence.
40:26That makes sense,
40:28but I have to wrap it up.
40:30There are many areas
40:32of Balochistan.
40:34There is the area of the Pakhtuns,
40:36the Makran belt,
40:38the area of the Balochs.
40:40In the North,
40:42you don't see the situation
40:44that you see in the South.
40:46This situation is exploited
40:48by our neighbour.
40:50We know that the money
40:52is coming from there.
40:54Without them,
40:56the Balochs cannot
40:58sit in the mountains
41:00and kill our people.
41:02How can we cut off the lifeline?
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44:52Anika Nisar, take care of yourself.
44:54Allah Hafiz.