"If You Claim to Have Fixed Everything, Why the Need for 20-25 Ministers" Rauf Klasra
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00:00Mr. Kalasarath, I would like to ask you about the numbers of inflation and all these things.
00:06One reason for the decrease in inflation could be that the purchasing power of people
00:11is not increasing much in this period.
00:14If people reduce their purchasing power, their purchasing power will not be so strict
00:18or their salaries will not increase accordingly,
00:20then that also impacts on how much they go out and try to buy.
00:25So, do the government officials keep this in mind when they talk about the CPI?
00:31This needs to be understood.
00:33When the government says that the rate of inflation has decreased,
00:37as Mr. Gareeda was saying,
00:40the common man does not understand it in the same way
00:42that what the government is saying and what the common man is understanding.
00:44There is a huge gap between the two.
00:46The government says that the speed at which inflation was increasing,
00:49we have controlled that speed.
00:51They do not say that inflation is decreasing.
00:53They are not saying that.
00:54It is a very delicate point.
00:55It needs to be kept in mind.
00:57They talk about the rate.
00:58It increased by 10% every day after a week.
01:02It increased by 20% or 40%.
01:03But the public is given this impression initially
01:06until its explanations come from the economic experts.
01:09The public does not understand this.
01:11They say that there is inflation.
01:13They think that things are getting more expensive.
01:14The public is right.
01:16If the rate is 3% every day,
01:18then it needs to be differentiated.
01:21It is tricky.
01:22The problem is that inflation is not decreasing.
01:26It is increasing.
01:27It is increasing by 3%, 5%, 40%.
01:30It is multiplying.
01:32The government claims that
01:34it was increasing by 40% initially.
01:37It was increasing by 40% initially.
01:38Now it is decreasing.
01:39Now they say that it is increasing by 3%, 5%, 6%.
01:43The common man understands.
01:44When you say that inflation is decreasing,
01:46the common man does not think that it is decreasing.
01:48The common man understands that
01:50the samosas used to cost Rs.10.
01:51Now it has increased by Rs.11.
01:54The inflation has decreased.
01:55What does the government say?
01:56They say that it was supposed to cost Rs.15.
01:58We have increased it by Rs.11.
02:00It means that one rupee has increased,
02:01not four rupees.
02:02So that is the extent of inflation.
02:05The second thing is what Mr. Gareeda just said.
02:08You do certain things for the public.
02:12You do messaging.
02:13It is a complex.
02:14I still do not understand IMF.
02:17They tell us very good things.
02:19They make us do good things
02:21which are necessary for us.
02:24You spent one year and claimed
02:26that we have spent the whole year very well.
02:29It was a difficult year for you.
02:30Despite this, you have brought stability.
02:33It is your claim.
02:34We have rectified the government.
02:35We have rectified things.
02:36We have rectified everything.
02:37Then why do you need 20-25 ministers here?
02:39Why does IMF not object to them?
02:41You got your salary from Rs.2.25 lakhs
02:43or Rs.1 lakhs.
02:44You got it done for Rs.5 lakhs.
02:46Why does IMF not object to you?
02:48You got 20-25 new ministers.
02:50Now you want more.
02:52Why does IMF not object to you?
02:53I raised this question.
02:54They were saying that
02:55we are not drawing the salaries.
02:57We are not taking the salaries
02:58from the government treasury.
02:59Who is not taking?
03:00Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary.
03:01How many are not taking?
03:02You should have asked.
03:03How many are not taking?
03:04Yes, yes, please.
03:05Not 5, not 10, not 40.
03:08I doubt that not all are taking.
03:10All are taking.
03:11There must be some people.
03:122, 4, 5.
03:13There are people in every cabinet
03:14who say that we are not taking salaries.
03:15I can tell you the names of people
03:16who are not taking salaries.
03:17And then they put up news.
03:18There are big scandals.
03:19They are not taking.
03:20You should take.
03:21I am not in favour
03:22that you should not take salaries.
03:23There are a lot of people
03:24with salaries.
03:25And their explanation is that
03:26first they bring it immediately.
03:28Do you remember
03:29that it should be 11% size
03:30after the 18th amendment
03:31which was fixed.
03:32Sir, there is one more thing.
03:33And then there is
03:34the issue of austerity.
03:35No, no.
03:36What is cruelty?
03:37Cruelty with this country
03:38and ruling elite
03:39which we do not tell.
03:40Cruelty is that
03:41you renovated the Thakur.
03:42You renovated it and played drums,
03:43danced, sang,
03:44that we have given
03:45the authority of the province
03:46and the powers of the whole centre
03:47to the provinces.
03:48Now all the powers
03:49have gone to the provinces.
03:50The ministry has gone.
03:51This centre
03:52will only keep
03:537-8 ministries.
03:54Do you know
03:55how many ministries
03:56Pakistan needs
03:57to run this centre?
03:588-10.
03:59You need
04:0050 people
04:01at a distance of 24 km.
04:02You need
04:0380 people at a distance of 24 km.
04:04You need federal ministers.
04:05In one ministry
04:06you see
04:07there is one federal minister
04:08and then there is the minister of state
04:09and then there is the advisor
04:10and then there is the parliamentary secretary.
04:11You make four ministers sit.
04:12The work
04:13that is the work
04:14of a section officer
04:15in your deputy commissioner's office
04:16you have made ministers
04:17for that.
04:18You have kept
04:194-4 ministers
04:20in the ministry.
04:21And even after that
04:22you see
04:23the quorums will not be complete.
04:24The quorums will not be complete
04:25because the minister
04:26or Sadiq Sahib
04:27has written letters
04:28and he is tired
04:29that the minister
04:30does not come to answer
04:31during question hour.
04:32This is against his pride.
04:33You...
04:34This is corruption.
04:35I mean
04:36what work did you do
04:37on 18th of November?
04:38Gareeda,
04:39did you want to add something?
04:40If you want to,
04:41then go ahead,
04:42I am at least a fan of their talks
04:44But the thing you are asking
04:46They say that the government is saying that the minister will not take salary
04:49Okay, don't take salary
04:50Like Qaid-e-Azam, take one rupee or don't take one rupee
04:53Make whatever statements you want
04:55But the optics were not appropriate
04:58They were not good
05:00And whether a minister takes salary or not
05:02But expenses are available to his ministry
05:04On the other hand, the government is saying that we are right-sizing
05:08We are downsizing
05:09We are doing austerity
05:11We are doing austerity measures
05:13So the austerity measures on which we used to criticize the government of Imran Khan
05:17The same is the case here
05:19You are saying that we have deducted 10 rupees from one place
05:22But put 100 rupees in another place
05:24So you are hiding 100 rupees
05:26And you are highlighting the deduction of 10 rupees
05:29So even if the cabinet ministers or advisors do not take salary
05:34But their ministries have expenses
05:36They will increase the expenses
05:37And if you are saying that one minister had two ministries
05:41So from there you are taking two different ministers
05:44Is this right-sizing or downsizing?
05:46Is this austerity or you are increasing the cost?
05:50If 8-10 ministers are needed, then what is the need of the government?