👉 Un video viral muestra a una reclusa, conocida como 'La Queen', realizando un tour por su celda y pabellón, destacando la permisividad del sistema penitenciario. La grabación ha generado controversia sobre el acceso de los presos a teléfonos móviles y redes sociales. Además, se discute la inversión de valores en la sociedad carcelaria, donde lo que antes era vergonzoso ahora es motivo de orgullo. El caso se agrava con el testimonio de una madre que perdió a su hijo en un crimen reciente, mientras el asesino pública videos desde prisión burlándose de la víctima.
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00:00Now, the tour around the prison. Share it, watch it.
00:05And nothing, I send you a kiss.
00:08What's up, people? Well, so disheveled as I am, I'm going to give you a tour around the prison.
00:14Well, I'll show you. This is my cell.
00:18It's here.
00:20Here is my bed.
00:22Here is my ranch.
00:25Here, well, some sweet things that they brought to my ranch. Their love.
00:31And now I'm going to show you the pavilion.
00:35This is the pavilion. We're going to take a walk.
00:39We're going with her to take a walk that's going to make me dizzy.
00:42I'm all disheveled, ignore that, but hey.
00:44I'm going to give you the tour that everyone wants to see around the prison.
00:47These are the cells.
00:50Uff!
00:52Here is the maison, the refrigerators.
00:56There is the kitchen, there are the bathrooms.
00:59I'm going to show you the patio.
01:02For this video and others, we're going to see, Cecilia just brought us, in a moment we're going to put it on the screen,
01:08the last video that the Queen uploaded to TikTok.
01:12We're going to see it now, in a moment.
01:14But it really impacts, among other things, Dr. Sole, the delay of the prison service
01:21in removing the cell phone from this prison that you are showing.
01:23I have a question for you, Rolo.
01:25Did they remove the Queen's cell phone if it didn't appear on television?
01:28The answer is no, doctor. We will transfer it to you.
01:31Would they have removed the cell phone from this prison if we didn't show it?
01:34No, of course not, because if not, well,
01:39for them to remove it, they would have to go through 43,000 programs, precisely.
01:43Of course, of course.
01:44There are 43,000 people connected.
01:47But what I would like, please, if you allow me to add to this,
01:53is that we are observing many times that the scale of values of this type of society has been inverted,
02:01of the prison society, the prison society.
02:05And why do I say that it has been inverted?
02:07Because what happened many years ago, I am 54 years old,
02:11what happened in my neighborhood when I was a kid,
02:14which was to have a prisoner family member, was a shame.
02:19Yes, that's true.
02:21It was a shameful situation.
02:22You were hiding it, obviously.
02:23A situation in which there were people who moved from the neighborhood, right?
02:27Yes, Hugo, there were also people, I remember, who said,
02:29no, the father went inside to work and was actually in prison.
02:33It was a shame for the last name, you said.
02:36No, now it is part of life, right?
02:38Because it is part of the lives of these people who grow up in these environments.
02:41Because, in addition, it is, let's see, they continue it.
02:44For them, that's why we say so much that we have to review what the prison service is.
02:49One continues, the people who are linked to the criminal world,
02:53continue what they do outside, inside.
02:56Because they are the same people, they know each other.
02:58There is a, let's see, very recently in Santa Fe, in Rosario,
03:04there is the case of Los Monos.
03:06Well, Los Monos, the old man, the old man, as they call him,
03:09the head of the Cantero clan, organized barbecues inside the prison.
03:14He organized barbecues in which people from the penitentiary service also participated.
03:19This, with this they met.
03:21And this also happens in the Bonarense prisons and surely in many provinces.
03:25That what one lived outside is continued inside.
03:28So it is not a punishment, it is to follow a little, a couple of years inside,
03:32what one did outside.
03:34And these videos show it.
03:36Doctor, you were going to that point, right?
03:38The subject of a culture that has changed a lot.
03:41Precisely in concordance with what Cecilia pointed out a moment ago,
03:46is that, well, today that scale of values has been reversed, right?
03:51So what used to be a shame, today happens to be a pride.
03:54I want to tell you something, I want to tell you something, Doctor, and you.
03:57We were telling a few days ago, because really sometimes one counts this with a lot of anger,
04:02the numbers are cold, but I want to bring it down to a specific story.
04:06And it is the one that we mentioned at the beginning of the show,
04:09the driver of Didi, whose name was Leandro Omar Jiménez.
04:12Yesterday I had the opportunity to talk to the mother.
04:15Let's see, this boy who is called for a trip, which was his source of work,
04:21and they shoot him in the back.
04:23I want to emphasize this, because the killer directly puts the gun on the back of the seat,
04:31because he was in the back seat, and shoots him and blows him up.
04:35This boy gets out of the car screaming for help,
04:38but he doesn't get to warn anyone because he falls dead to the subway.
04:42The first family cannot reconstruct what happened, because only the killer knows.
04:49The killer who is arrested.
04:51And the killer who, on yesterday's day, uploads a video,
04:55telling him, people asked him, how are you?
04:58And do you know what he answers? Better than the dead.
05:01Sure.
05:02Better than the dead, he answers.
05:03He made fun of him.
05:04And the mother was crying bitterly saying,
05:07you imagine for me that I had to take my grandson to school,
05:11to start first grade, and that it was the dream of my son,
05:14and that he just lost it because of this son of a bitch,
05:17who is now on social media saying, I'm better than the dead.
05:20We are living this madness.
05:23We are living this madness.
05:25It's really outrageous.
05:27But they even have tags.
05:29I mean, they identify themselves.
05:30You can find them very easily.
05:32So you can search on Instagram or TikTok,
05:35without knowing the name of the account,
05:37you can find these videos.
05:38How do you do it, Ceci?
05:39Sure.
05:40We don't want them to look for it, but we're going to tell them.
05:42This is for the penitentiary service.
05:44Yes, I ask the penitentiary service.
05:46It's the same.
05:47They don't know they're there.
05:48It's very easy.
05:49Prison, prison, prison.
05:51They look for them that way and they're going to find them.
05:53All the people who you say use their cell phones improperly,
05:58well, they can find them like that, inside, very easily.
06:01If they do a quick search, they can get them out.
06:04Ceci, if you don't mind,
06:05let's share the last material you brought us,
06:07which is the last TikTok post of La Queen.
06:11This prisoner, who was on a tour, a tomboy,
06:15who showed us prison.
06:16This is her last video.
06:17Listen to it.
06:35There's La Queen dancing.
06:37Let's see.
06:38This video was posted three days before her cell phone was taken out.
06:41It was the last thing she uploaded, let's say.
06:43It was the last thing she uploaded.
06:44Yes, and before that, laughing at the news.
06:46Yes.
06:47No, that's also what matters.
06:48When the news channels mark this, they say,
06:50let's see, this is dedicated to the news channels
06:52that care so much about my cell phone.
06:54It's not her cell phone, it's everyone's cell phone.
06:56That's the issue.
06:57I wanted to ask Dr. López Carribero,
07:01how can it be that a prisoner who works in prison
07:05charges 296,832 pesos per month
07:09when the minimum penalty is 279,121 pesos,
07:15plus the 70,000 bonus, obviously,
07:17it goes to 340,000.
07:19We don't know it.
07:20But the penalty is 279,000 pesos.
07:23And the prisoner charges 296,000 pesos.
07:26How can it be, doctor?
07:27What is the legal justification for charging?
07:30I was thinking about that.
07:32I didn't want to interrupt if you didn't give me the word.
07:34But precisely, my father is a widower
07:39and charges my mother's pension.
07:41My mother's pension is less than the prisoner's salary.
07:46The pension that your father charges, who is a widower,
07:49is less than what a prisoner charges.
07:51Yes, more or less.
07:52I mean, your father would be better off
07:54having been a criminal and being in prison.
07:56He would have a better life.
07:57Correct.
07:58We are in a country where a prisoner earns more than a retiree.
08:02This is what we all need to be clear about.
08:04We are in a country where a prisoner earns more than a retiree.
08:07Yes, yes.
08:08We are talking about the pension of the elderly,
08:10the common pension.
08:11Yes, that's fine, doctor.
08:12The minimum, of course.
08:13The one that receives the most income.
08:15The one that goes from there to the PAMI.
08:18Well, anyway.
08:20Now, how is it justified, doctor?
08:22It's not a special box.
08:23No, but I ask you because you are a specialist, doctor.
08:26How is this payment to prisoners justified legally?
08:31This payment, which we reiterate,
08:33292,000 pesos, plus holidays, plus Aguinaldo.
08:38Yes, look.
08:39I mean, prisoners' holidays.
08:41Of course.
08:42We are talking about a periodometer.
08:44Of course.
08:45I don't know how to say it, as you point out, the justification.
08:49I don't know how to say it, but I understand the content of your concern.
08:53What I can tell you is that when the law was sanctioned,
08:57which accompanies the penitentiary service in terms of the remuneration of detainees,
09:03the spirit of the law, or the foundation of the reasons,
09:06were made to encourage the detainee to resocialize
09:10and to comply with the prison regulations.
09:14That is, one of the sanctions established by the penitentiary law
09:18is the withdrawal of the salary when the detainee does not comply with the prison regulations.
09:23I make it easy for you, doctor.
09:25Never.
09:26Never.
09:27Never did Rolando comply with that.
09:29This has to do with the votes, guys.
09:31Sorry.
09:32But this has to do with the votes.
09:33Because the prison population votes.
09:35So I do this nonsense of paying a prisoner holidays
09:38when a retiree has to be doing accounts and taking the medicine one day,
09:42yes, another day the medicine, no, because it is not enough.
09:45It seems crazy to me.
09:47I was talking to you about the publication of the murderer of Didi's driver, Leandro.
09:51Look at it.
09:56Things that are on social media.
09:58Here I am, Toti, more comfortable than at home.
10:02No trace, a video.
10:04Here we are better than him.
10:06And the emoticon.
10:07Of the dead.
10:08Of the dead.
10:09Here we are better than the dead.
10:11He says, get me the graph for a moment.
10:13Because this is, a murderer has just committed the crime.
10:18It was last month, the murder of Didi's driver.
10:21It was one of the crimes of insecurity that moved us all, Ole.
10:24He has a phone, and he uploads a message on social media where he says,
10:28I'm better than the dead.
10:30You had to see, Rolot, I tell you because we interview victims.
10:35You had to see and listen to that mother.
10:39Ruined.
10:41Ruined like any of us.
10:43Because you know you want to go to jail and I don't know.
10:46Yes.
10:47The worst.
10:48Put yourself at his level.
10:49We all know what I'm thinking.
10:51You want to be at the level of the prisoner.
10:53And that mother saying, I went to take my grandson to the first grade,
10:57and my son lost it and was working.
11:00And this son of Remil, who is stealing and killing on the back,
11:04flower of traitor, flower of criminal, making fun of us.
11:10Ruined.
11:11How is that family going to be a duel?
11:13How is it for a victim, doctor, you who have represented so many victims,
11:17in the role of caretaker, yes?
11:20How is life for the victim?
11:22And on top of that, having to bear this,
11:24the guy who killed a son, a brother,
11:26filming a video saying, I'm better than the dead here in jail.
11:30Look, yes, those experiences are very interesting.
11:34And sometimes you don't want to have them,
11:37but as you point out, they are typical of the profession, right?
11:41And what we see many times is that,
11:43you saw that the legitimate defense has a component that is contemporaneity, right?
11:49That has to be at the same time.
11:51It can't be three days later, right?
11:53Yes, you have to defend yourself the moment they attack you.
11:55You can't defend yourself a month later.
11:57Exactly, there has to be a certain contemporaneity.
11:59However, many times, and we are seeing it with greater acidity,
12:05is that the victims or the families of the victims
12:08consider the possibility of defending themselves legitimately
12:11in the course of the days and months.
12:14And it's something very manageable.
12:16They say, no, no, look, if it's been two, three, four months, a year, two years,
12:20I'm still in a position to apply the legitimate defense of my dead relative.
12:27What you're saying is,
12:28the victims have a shock situation at first,
12:33an impact, a misunderstanding of what happened, a deep grief.
12:37But at some point they start to feel the need to,
12:41but how? They did this to me and I couldn't defend myself.
12:44I want to do it now, in a contemporary way, obviously.
12:47Of course, several months or several years, right?
12:50And I want to tell you something, I am not a supporter of revenge,
12:53but I don't share it, but I understand it, I understand it.
12:56And yes, do you know why?
12:57Because if you, as a relative of a victim,
13:00you say, he did this to my son, but he is rotting in jail,
13:04or he is deprived of everything, or he is a 20-year-old boy
13:08and he is going to spend 20 years in jail for what he did to my son,
13:11that is, he is going to pay for what he did, it is one thing.
13:14Now, if you see that that person is recording videos
13:17and he is laughing at you,
13:19obviously your quarrel, your quarrel and your feeling
13:23is going to be more hate every day.
13:25But it is logical, the issue is how,
13:28because I think about the suffering of that woman,
13:30and we owe it to two people.
13:32The first is this murderer,
13:34the second is the one who allows him to have a video
13:37so that the family can see it.
13:39The one who says, take the phone, no problem,
13:41record, connect to the internet.
13:43Doctor, there are many places in our country
13:46where there is no connectivity,
13:47where it is difficult to have the internet.
13:49Now, if you go to jail, you have no insurance.
13:51I raise it because this is another issue
13:53that we have discussed a lot,
13:55and it seems to me that it comes at the end of what we are talking about.
13:57While we continue to watch videos of prisoners,
14:00what we are seeing is not fiction,
14:02what we are seeing is how they show themselves
14:04on social networks, the prisoners.
14:06Doctor, how can it be that they have a Wi-Fi signal,
14:09the prisoners in jail, to connect to the internet?
14:12I mean, that they have telephony, I understand it,
14:14that they talk to the family, to the girlfriend.
14:17Now, listen to this, doctor.
14:31Heeey!
14:36Heeey!
14:45We have to cheer him up, the madman said,
14:48while we reiterate our telephone line,
14:5011 50 50 3,300,
14:52to tell us what they feel.
14:55We know it is exploding with messages of indignation.
14:57of indignation.
14:58Doctor, is there a way to avoid, at least from a technical point of view,
15:02since they don't dare to take out the phone?
15:05Yes, there is a way to avoid it, Soledad and Rolando, there is a way to avoid it.
15:14What happens is that the Penitentiary Service doesn't want to have rioters.
15:18Of course.
15:19In the end, rioting would be the same as blocking the signal and taking out the cell phone.
15:23They don't want to have problems.
15:25Let's give them more speed so they don't get angry.
15:28Exactly. As long as we don't have problems inside the Penitentiary Service,
15:34that this affects outside, it's a problem for those who are outside.
15:39Our problem.
15:40Doctor López Carribero, thank you very much.