En una entrevista exclusiva, habla una de las detenidas por la desaparición del menor de cinco años, Loan Peña en Goya, Corrientes. La mujer que cumple prisión domiciliaria, cuanta lo que ella vivió el día en que fueron al naranjal el 13 de junio del corriente año.
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00:00Why did you decide to give an interview?
00:05I decided to give the interview because I am hopeful, just like the Loa family,
00:19the whole country is waiting for an answer, waiting for an answer from the justice system.
00:26Because I hope that they know what happened to Loa, where she is.
00:37What happened that June 13th in the Aranjal? Tell me everything in detail.
00:45Well, yes, it's true that I went with one of my children, but I also took two nephews.
00:59Hello.
01:02We can hear you. You took two nephews.
01:05Yes, two nephews. It was not planned for me to take my nephews.
01:18She asked me to take my nephews when I got there.
01:30Yes, continue, Monica.
01:31Take a break there, Monica. Take a break there.
01:35Who invites you? Tell me that. Who invites you to the Aranjal?
01:38Why are you going to a plan that you had not planned?
01:42No, I actually accompany my husband.
01:46The invitation was made to him. He wanted to take his family.
01:55And that's where I decide to accompany him.
02:01Mrs. Catalina, I understand.
02:07Mrs. Catalina with Benitez, I understand that they made the invitation to my husband.
02:17Catalina with Benitez.
02:19Catalina with Benitez invites your husband.
02:23Yes, I understand.
02:25To lunch, yes, clearly.
02:27To lunch, yes.
02:30Yes, as I told you recently.
02:36But what do you remember about that lunch? What do you have in your retina?
02:46Speak to Diego's microphone. Speak to Diego's microphone, Negro.
02:49Take it. Come here.
02:52Can you hear me, Monica?
02:54Hello.
02:57Hello.
02:58Yes, we are listening to you.
03:01I want to ask you.
03:04My question is, what is left in your retina from that day 13 to noon?
03:11What is left in your gaze?
03:15Look, everything that happened was so fast.
03:19We arrived very late, about the time, to eat directly.
03:25It is known that we finished eating, we got up.
03:31Benitez went first to the mountain.
03:36My husband followed him.
03:38Then we followed.
03:41I remember that Audelina invited me to go.
03:43We went out with Camila.
03:46All the creatures followed us.
03:50The one who took out...
03:52What was the plan, Monica?
03:55No, go look for oranges.
03:59That was...
04:01Good.
04:02Who comes up with the plan to go look for oranges?
04:07I heard that Benitez invites my husband to go look for oranges.
04:16But my husband didn't go right away.
04:18Who invited you?
04:20Audelina invited me.
04:25Audelina, what does Audelina tell you?
04:27Do you remember the text?
04:29I remember that my son said,
04:32we are also going to look for oranges.
04:41And they go with Macarena.
04:43But in a moment...
04:44No.
04:45They turn around.
04:46With Camila.
04:49Camila, Audelina and me.
04:56But they don't get to the orange orchard.
04:58She, in the middle of the way...
05:00She turns around and goes back.
05:02In the middle of the way, where the truck is,
05:06we found my husband there, who was lost, looking for the orange orchard,
05:10because he didn't know where it was.
05:12Audelina tells him where he has to go.
05:16And my husband goes ahead.
05:20We used...
05:21But your husband doesn't go with Benitez?
05:24No, he doesn't go with Benitez.
05:26And Benitez already knew the orange orchard?
05:28Ah, he doesn't go with Benitez.
05:29No, he doesn't go with Benitez.
05:30Benitez goes ahead first.
05:35And he loses sight of him, let's say.
05:37Yes.
05:38Yes, yes.
05:39After a while, my husband comes out.
05:42And we are still behind.
05:43And didn't it catch your attention that,
05:45I mean, after Lohan's disappearance,
05:47that Benitez takes the lead and loses sight of him
05:51when he had invited him,
05:52with, let's say, what justification,
05:54if he had no hurry,
05:55he, let's say,
05:58leaves your husband behind?
06:01Yes, no, I don't know.
06:02The truth is that...
06:04I don't know why so immediately
06:09the issue of going to look for oranges,
06:11that my husband was right, yes,
06:13that we were full,
06:14we had just finished eating on the table.
06:18That's why he didn't want to go right away.
06:20Of course.
06:21Then he got up, said, well, yes, I'm going,
06:25and he left.
06:30And we are still behind.
06:31And did you hear the part,
06:33okay, did you hear the part
06:35where there are two warnings
06:39that Lohan had appeared?
06:41Are you one of those who heard?
06:45That when we were at the police station on July 9th,
06:50yes, that there was a warning
06:52that Lohan had appeared.
06:54I even remember that
06:56I described my son,
06:58because my sons are the two youngest,
07:02they were left alone at home.
07:04I remember that
07:06when I brought my son
07:08and my nephews to the town,
07:10I told my son, take care of your sister,
07:13that I'm coming.
07:15And I never got home,
07:16because I was at the police station in Morada,
07:20they were,
07:21I remember when I received that call,
07:24I wrote him right away
07:26that he had already appeared,
07:28that we were already going home.
07:30I asked him about my daughter.
07:32And who was the, who,
07:34who made that call?
07:36Who received it?
07:37Was it by cell phone
07:39or was it by a,
07:41an HT, it's called,
07:42by a police handy?
07:43Yes, it wasn't a cell phone.
07:44It wasn't a cell phone.
07:46It was that,
07:48yes,
07:49a radio,
07:50I don't,
07:53I don't remember well.
07:54The police radio?
07:56Yes.
07:58And did you recognize the person
08:00who said that Lohan had appeared?
08:02The most faithful police officer,
08:04I went out with another person.
08:09The most faithful police officer
08:11with another person,
08:12and the voice of the other person,
08:13who was it?
08:15The one who called on the radio,
08:17no,
08:18but the one who was with the most faithful,
08:20I do see him,
08:21I recognize him.
08:23But,
08:24as I am recently,
08:27when I was recently out,
08:29I was
08:32in custody
08:34for a long time,
08:35I was
08:36uncommunicated.
08:37I,
08:38that,
08:39that day,
08:40June 3rd,
08:41I am,
08:42I don't watch television,
08:43I don't listen to the radio,
08:44now,
08:45recently,
08:46they gave me the benefit of the...
08:49Now I am...
08:50Now you are going to tell us your days,
08:51your days in jail,
08:52because,
08:53of course,
08:54logically,
08:55you were detained
08:56for a crime that
08:58is one of the worst seen,
08:59isn't it?
09:00Inside a jail.
09:01But I stay with that fact that
09:02if I see
09:03the police officer
09:04who went out with Maciel
09:06in front
09:08of that
09:09false alarm,
09:10if I see it,
09:11if I have it in front of me,
09:12I,
09:13I recognize it.
09:14Marcelo,
09:15is there more information?
09:16How can it be that it is not recognized
09:17until today?
09:18Look,
09:19look,
09:20that is a procedural issue
09:21that we have been saying,
09:22the same thing happened
09:23with verifying
09:24the illness
09:25of the husband,
09:26of the husband's brother,
09:27Javier Ramirez,
09:28we had to do it,
09:29despite
09:30the fact that
09:31it is a task
09:32of the prosecutor's office
09:33and,
09:34in his case,
09:35also of the Kremlin,
09:36to verify the words
09:37of the defendant,
09:38the discharge of the defendant,
09:39we had to do it,
09:40we did it
09:41and,
09:42obviously,
09:43we are also going
09:44to do this,
09:45now that
09:46Monica can see
09:47images,
09:48that she has more freedom,
09:49and can show her
09:50the photo
09:51of the different
09:52police officers
09:53to see
09:54who recognizes
09:55was at that time.
09:56We have also asked,
09:57but
09:58recently,
09:59because
10:00it was not done,
10:01it was not done,
10:02the checkup
10:03of,
10:04when the voyage returns,
10:05the property
10:06of Ramirez
10:07and de Millapi,
10:08passes through the corral
10:09Díaz,
10:10however,
10:11they have not taken
10:12the job
10:13of verifying
10:14in the cameras,
10:15nor
10:16have we asked
10:17the owner
10:18of the supermarket
10:19there,
10:20where he bought
10:21the batteries,
10:22to verify
10:23the words
10:24of the defendant,
10:25which is a task
10:26of the prosecutor's office
10:27that has to do it.
10:28I understand that,
10:29Marcelo,
10:30what he does is,
10:31well,
10:32defend his clients
10:33and try to
10:34excuse him,
10:35because they were arrested
10:36six months ago,
10:37although now
10:38he has stopped
10:39being deprived
10:40of his freedom.
10:41It is fundamental
10:42not to lose
10:43that call,
10:44because I think
10:45that is where
10:46the secret is,
10:47that is where
10:48the break is.
10:49And what are they
10:50waiting for?
10:51Well, I don't know.
10:52That's the question.
10:53So many questions
10:54that one wants to ask,
10:55but they don't
10:56want to answer,
10:57because,
10:58unfortunately,
10:59they don't want
11:00to receive us.
11:01At the time,
11:02I said it
11:03and I ratify it,
11:04all the police
11:05of that police station
11:06are very afraid,
11:07because they
11:08don't know
11:09who they are.
11:10Well,
11:11it's very important.
11:12I imagine that
11:13the doctor
11:14just said
11:15that he is
11:16in a condition
11:17to recognize
11:18which is the
11:19policeman who
11:20went out with
11:21Maciel
11:22in search of
11:23the false alarm,
11:24because there were
11:25two,
11:26remember it well,
11:27that were never
11:28clarified.
11:29We cross the street
11:30and let's go
11:31and he tells us now,
11:32if they call us,
11:33let's go.
11:34If they call us,
11:35it would be great,
11:36but the problem
11:37is that
11:38when they ask you
11:39for an ambulance,
11:40one who was
11:41in the police station,
11:42when you arrive
11:43at a place,
11:44it's known
11:45to a person,
11:46to find a person
11:47who is well,
11:48bad,
11:49whatever,
11:50it doesn't matter,
11:51they don't give it
11:52or anything,
11:53when you
11:54ask for an ambulance,
11:55it's because
11:56the person
11:57is in front of you.
11:58It's not that
11:59before going to the call,
12:00the ambulance has already been asked.
12:01No.
12:02When I find myself
12:03with what I have in front of me,
12:04I make an ambulance request.
12:05In fact,
12:06they mention
12:07a hospital.
12:08So,
12:09if you ask for an ambulance,
12:10it's because
12:11you have it in front of you.
12:12Monica,
12:13did you see Maciel
12:14return from
12:15the supposed
12:16false alarm,
12:17I mean,
12:18to try to
12:19pretend it,
12:20to say
12:21what his behavior
12:22was like,
12:23in the hours
12:24after Logan's
12:25disappearance?
12:26To return?
12:27I don't
12:28have
12:29any memory.
12:30As you can see,
12:31that happened
12:32at dawn,
12:33we were,
12:34from the moment
12:35that Logan
12:36disappeared,
12:37we were looking
12:38non-stop
12:39for Logan.
12:40The time
12:41at dawn
12:42came,
12:43we were
12:44super tired,
12:45I was
12:46nervous
12:47for my children,
12:48who were
12:49alone at home.
12:50There are
12:51things
12:52that I can
12:53remember.
12:54Are you
12:55afraid of
12:56Maciel?
12:57Yes,
12:58I'm afraid
12:59of him.
13:00I'm afraid
13:01of him.
13:03I'm not afraid
13:04of Maciel,
13:05I don't know him.
13:08No,
13:09no,
13:10no,
13:11no,
13:12the truth is
13:13that I feel
13:14safe here
13:15in my house,
13:16in Neuquén.
13:17I know I've been
13:18living in Corrientes
13:19for a long time,
13:22but I don't
13:23want to return
13:24to 9 July,
13:25I feel
13:26safe,
13:27safer,
13:28and for
13:29my children's
13:30safety,
13:31I feel
13:32safe,
13:33and that's
13:34why I
13:35want to
13:36be here.
13:37I don't
13:38usually know
13:39the people
13:40of the town,
13:41people know
13:42that I
13:43don't
13:44have
13:45contact
13:46with
13:47the people
13:48in the town,
13:49even though
13:50it's a small
13:51town,
13:52I hardly
13:53go out
13:54of the house,
13:55I know
13:56every person
13:57that I
13:58know
13:59more than
14:00of some faces.
14:03Well, I'm sure you'll do that in court with Hanson.
14:07Did you see that mothers have that sixth sense
14:11that goes far beyond any investigation?
14:14Yes.
14:15What do you think happened?
14:19I ask myself that question many times.
14:25I say, what happened to Loan?
14:28Yes, as you say, that mother's instinct
14:33many times made me fall a lot.
14:37Because I felt like a great responsibility
14:40that fell on me.
14:42Even though I didn't know Loan,
14:48I felt like, how can it be that in a second,
14:52in a moment, the creature disappears?
14:58The truth is that I don't know what happened to Loan.
15:01I'd like to know, I need to know what happened to him.
15:06All of us, all of us, all of us need that.
15:09But I need to know, because you're not answering me.
15:13Do you think he was stolen?
15:15That he got lost?
15:16That a alligator ate him?
15:18That the firefighter took him?
15:19That there was an accident?
15:20That there was an accident?
15:21What do you, as a mother,
15:25think about having been there?
15:29I'd like to give a safe answer,
15:36but Pomperito didn't go,
15:40that a bug ate him, he didn't go either.
15:43Loan had to have been taken by someone from there.
15:47I don't know if they took him...
15:49From what was on that table?
15:51By an accident, or by something else,
15:54but someone took him,
15:56because he looked for him right away,
15:58he looked for him very quickly.
16:02He should have found him.
16:06Do you remember anything strange,
16:08any movement that caught your attention that afternoon?
16:12I don't know.
16:13For example,
16:17Pérez and Caizaba drinking mate,
16:19while everyone was looking for Loan,
16:20they were drinking mate with Catalina.
16:22The photos that Loan was shown,
16:24and only Loan,
16:25none of the other minors, right?
16:28I didn't see those things.
16:32What seemed strange to me
16:35was that when we got to Catalina's house,
16:37there were people there,
16:39because we had been there before.
16:43They were counted the times we went,
16:45but there are never people in the field.
16:49The lady is always alone.
16:53How many times did you go to Catalina's grandmother's house?
16:56Five times.
17:00Did you go the day before Loan's disappearance?
17:08Yes, we had gone a few days before.
17:10I don't know if it was Sunday,
17:11but we had gone a few days before.
17:15And at that moment,
17:17that meeting prior to Loan's disappearance,
17:19why did you go?
17:23I don't know why,
17:26but I know that we went.
17:29It wasn't for anything in particular,
17:32but the same thing happened.
17:35Benitez invites us to go to the field.
17:40And who else goes besides Benitez?
17:44Benitez is always with Adelina,
17:47with the children.
17:49There is Mrs. Catalina,
17:55Camila.
17:57The times we have gone,
18:01Camila with her husband.
18:05With Huevo Peña.
18:06Not Huevo Peña,
18:07the husband of Macarena.
18:09Yes, Huevo Peña.
18:11And is it true that you go to the field that day?
18:18No, that day that we went before.
18:22The times I went to that house,
18:25I never left that place,
18:28that house.
18:29I never went to the field.
18:32That day is the first time I go,
18:35because Adelina invites me.
18:39Adelina.
18:40And what did they talk about,
18:41do you remember?
18:42Because if one thinks that Adelina and Benitez
18:44were planning Loan's disappearance,
18:48except that they have very cold blood,
18:50one could notice some tension,
18:52some nervousness,
18:54that they look at the place to see
18:56where they could take him.
18:58Yes.
18:59Did any of that happen?
19:01No, I remember that when we were going,
19:03apart from talking about the creatures,
19:06that they were running very fast
19:08and that they should be careful,
19:11she was showing me the place,
19:13because I did not know that way,
19:15I did not know that it was a street before,
19:17it was a traffic road,
19:19because everything was already eaten by the forest,
19:23I never paid attention
19:25that there was a road there.
19:27This episode that you are telling,
19:29because it is not clear to me,
19:31is it from the day Loan disappears
19:33or from this meeting a few days before
19:35in Naranjal?
19:36No, the day Loan disappears.
19:38The day Loan disappears.
19:40Good.
19:41When we were going through ...
19:42Can I ask you ...
19:45Yes.
19:46On the way to Naranjal.
19:47I want to ask you,
19:48because up to here in the story you made
19:50that day of the disappearance of Loan,
19:53you did not mention anything about Loan.
19:55Can you remind me in detail
19:59everything that comes to mind
20:01about Loan,
20:02since you arrived,
20:03where did you see him,
20:04where was he,
20:05with whom was he,
20:06at what moment did he get up from the table,
20:08why was he separated from the boys,
20:10with which group is he going to Naranjal?
20:15As I tell you,
20:16we arrived very late.
20:20It was a little while
20:22that I could see Loan.
20:26I don't have many memories of him.
20:28There are times when I told my husband,
20:32I try to remember Loan's face
20:34and I can't.
20:35I know that his face is in all the media,
20:39there are photos of him all over the country.
20:42But we were locked up,
20:44we had no communication,
20:46we couldn't see anything.
20:48I tried to remember his face,
20:51I don't remember,
20:52because it was so little time that we saw him.
20:56Was it the first time you saw him?
20:59Yes, it was the first time I saw him.
21:03Did you know he was the son of José and María,
21:05that he had brothers?
21:06Did you know who Loan was?
21:08I didn't know who Loan was.
21:11I don't know Loan's mother either,
21:15I don't know his brothers either.
21:18I am now informing myself little by little.
21:25And what do you remember of the key moment
21:27when you go to Naranjal?
21:30What memory do you have of Loan?
21:31Although you don't remember his face,
21:33I imagine you have identified the minors.
21:36What did Loan do?
21:37Remind me in detail about that,
21:39until the moment he disappears.
21:42Yes, the children were all running.
21:46There were several children.
21:48I took three, my daughter and two nephews,
21:51and there were three when we arrived.
21:53There were six in total.
21:56And they were all playing, screaming,
21:59running, shaking everywhere.
22:03When I arrived...
22:05And do you know that...
22:07Yes.
22:10No, no, continue, please.
22:12No, when I arrived at the tanker,
22:17with Camila and Macarena,
22:20I also remember that the boys were passing above the tanker,
22:24that is, they were going up and waiting for you at the wire fence.
22:28And I was saying,
22:29be careful, boys, they are going to hit us.
22:34Everyone was running.
22:36You can't look at everyone.
22:43And do you know that when...
22:44I didn't know that Loan was following me.
22:48I didn't know that Loan was following me to Naranjal.
22:52I...
22:53That Loan was following you and Camila...
22:55You didn't know?
22:56That Loan was following you, you didn't know?
22:59I didn't know that he was not following me,
23:02but he followed the group of boys.
23:04That is, he stayed with all the creatures
23:07and followed the group of boys.
23:08He didn't come back with the aunts,
23:10that it was Laudelina who took Loan out.
23:14And Loan was...
23:16She was the one he knew, he didn't know me.
23:21That is, he didn't come back with his aunts.
23:24You told us that you had another opportunity
23:28with Catalina.
23:30Were there boys that day too?
23:36The only boys who were always there
23:39were Joaquin, Benitez's son,
23:43and Camila's daughter.
23:45If you are minors, don't give me the names.
23:47And Camila's daughter.
23:50Those are the only creatures
23:52that were always there in the field.
23:56Never another creature.
24:00Do you think that of the accused
24:02or of those who are detained,
24:04one of these knows something
24:07about what happened to Loan?
24:09Yes, I think that someone has to know
24:12what happened to him.
24:15And you, from the perspective
24:17of the place where you were,
24:19do you think that they can steal him
24:22or take him without someone
24:24who is there seeing him?
24:34Someone had to have seen something.
24:36Did you hear me?
24:38Someone had to have seen something.
24:41Why...
24:43I have a loose end here.
24:45Why didn't Audelina and Macarena
24:47get to the farm?
24:49And when did they decide
24:51to go back to Grandma Catalina's house?
24:54I don't know why they went back.
24:57They didn't tell me anything either.
24:59They didn't tell me,
25:01let's not go back, nothing.
25:03I took a distance,
25:05a little further ahead of them,
25:07and when I looked back,
25:09they were already going back.
25:12They were going back.
25:14And that didn't catch your attention?
25:16It didn't catch my attention.
25:18The truth is that at that moment
25:20I stayed there because I was
25:22looking at my husband who was...
25:28It's cut off.
25:30It's cut off, guys.
25:32It's cut off.
25:34It's interesting everything
25:36Monica is telling us.
25:38Is there anything you want to add?
25:40No, look, I know that my
25:42defendant, Monica,
25:44but I have heard her say
25:4680 times the same story,
25:48it has never changed,
25:50and if she had done it,
25:52she would have noted it
25:54and asked her why.
25:56I mean, I think that
25:58both she and her husband
26:00don't know what happened to Loan
26:02and they are very sorry
26:04to have been there at that time.
26:06She doesn't remember
26:08in what context or why.
26:10What do you mean?
26:12She said she had been
26:14at Catalina's house.
26:16Yes.
26:18She says that because
26:20she has been there five times,
26:22six, seven, eight,
26:24she has been at Catalina's house
26:26before, but I'm going to
26:28take you to Catalina's house
26:30so you can see how it is.
26:32The only way to understand
26:34is to go to Catalina's house
26:36on the right.
26:38I would be the way,
26:40on the other side is the path
26:42and the mountains,
26:44and crossing the path
26:46and the mountains,
26:48you have to follow another
26:50mountain, which is what
26:52Monica was trying to explain
26:54at the end, so that she
26:56wouldn't get lost,
26:58because she knew
27:00by the indication of
27:02Monica that she was
27:04going to the countryside
27:06only with her husband.
27:08Those of us who grew up
27:10in Corrientes are used to
27:12walking through the mountains
27:14and the perception is different.
27:16My question is not to make a reproach,
27:18but it is...
27:20Yes, she is like
27:22covered, covered.
27:24Last day of the program
27:26and she keeps challenging me.
27:28It will be like this for the rest of her life.
27:30Well, people agree
27:32that Pecharski is brave.
27:34I would not like to have her
27:36as my wife.
27:38Here it is.
27:42Wouldn't it be a trap
27:44for many people
27:46to go there?
27:48Today you asked
27:50Monica something that we have
27:52talked about with her and Ramirez
27:54and that obviously after this
27:56happened, they realized
27:58that maybe
28:00they were invited for some reason,
28:02but they are all conjectures
28:04that if they found
28:06the whole situation very strange
28:08and also what happened
28:10before and after, that they
28:12perfectly reported all the attitudes
28:14of some of the people, and I
28:16will not say much because it is in the cause,
28:18but they have
28:20cleared their suspicions
28:22of some attitudes.
28:24Do you think that next week
28:26there will be
28:28testimonial statements
28:30in this court?
28:32Can there be any change
28:34in the cause? Can something new arise?
28:36I hope so,
28:38at least that's why I came
28:40early this morning to read
28:42the statement that we never had access to.
28:44Now it is just being loaded,
28:46which are from the witnesses who are going to declare
28:48what they did during the summary secret
28:50and in prosecution, and in the system
28:52we did not have access to the defenses.
28:54And well, I already took
28:56mental notes and with
28:58virome of the question
29:00I have to ask you.
29:02Did you have access to that reserved file,
29:04those reserved inquiries, which are
29:06psychological inquiries
29:08about Camila and Macarena, which I imagine
29:10are fundamental, not to
29:12ask the questions?
29:14No, there is something that caught my attention
29:16regarding the reserved file.
29:18I am not very interested
29:20in that report.
29:22I will read it when
29:24that reserved file is raised,
29:26but what I noticed is that they returned
29:28all legajo 1, the prosecutors,
29:30that is, the investigation
29:32for them is over.
29:34That is, they are still looking for us at the OAM,
29:36so I understand if they returned
29:38the complete legajo 1, they are not looking for it anymore.
29:40This is live journalism
29:42with the public
29:44live, which is not common
29:46if you are not in the studio,
29:48and when you just said
29:50I have a feeling, because of the experience
29:52that Hanson has, who is a
29:54criminal lawyer who has decades of experience,
29:56that is, the prosecutors
29:58already completed their work
30:00and the people said no,
30:02he was outraged. Is this sure
30:04what you are saying?
30:06Yes, yes, yes, yes, because
30:08if you return your
30:10file so that people understand,
30:12and with what are you going to work?
30:14But the judge did not say that 50% is missing,
30:16I heard it the other day, with Pablo Ponzone,
30:18Anauel said
30:20it is still necessary to produce
30:2250% of the
30:24probationary measures.
30:26How much is this bottle missing?
30:30Of liquid, 80-20.
30:32Well, they are percentages
30:34and the appreciation we have
30:36for a sedentary person, this is 100%.
30:40That is, it does not tell me anything,
30:42and what is missing is the
30:44pseudo group that came later,
30:46all those experts are missing, but
30:48of the first there is practically nothing missing.
30:50And what about Codazzi,
30:52Pellegrini, and all the politicians?
30:54I just saw Dr. Codazzi.
30:56To whom? To Codazzi.
30:58Where is Codazzi?
31:00I went to the café and he was giving a
31:02journalistic note. With what cause?
31:04I don't know, I don't know him,
31:06I met him for this cause.
31:08Did the issue of the lagoon already be estimated?
31:10I estimate that the Querella stopped
31:12insisting on that proof, they were the ones
31:14who put this proof into motion
31:16three months ago.
31:18I don't know if they will ask for anything else.
31:20For now, no lagoon has been exhausted,
31:22so I understand
31:24that there is no indication to
31:26do it, and well,
31:28we hope to continue with the rest of the
31:30evidence, which I am interested in doing,
31:32which are the testimonials of this week.
31:34On Monday, 23,
31:36there are two more testimonials
31:38that were added, and there is
31:40one pending, with what
31:42I explained today,
31:44with Alondía, the camera, and
31:46the merchant who sold the batteries.