Mumbai: in an exclusive conversation with musicians Bickram and Taufiq where they discuss the rise of electronic beats and AI-generated music, and how traditional rhythm artists are undervalued. They open up on the importance of live performances, where human emotions and creativity create a unique experience. In the last, they reacted to Udit Narayan's Controversy.
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00:00Yet mainstream Bollywood often sidelines it for electronic beats, so the usual traditional rhythm artists are undervalued.
00:30They make it heavy by making it multi-track, triple-track, or even copy-paste it.
00:37The truth is that computerization is happening a lot.
00:40And it is visible.
00:42In earlier songs, when 4 rhythm artists used to play at the same time, there used to be a sluggishness in it.
00:50I am saying the same thing.
00:51The sluggishness, which is a law of playing, which is a live, even if it moves a little, but there is a fun in moving.
00:59That is missing these days, sir.
01:00It is human quality.
01:01It is human quality.
01:02Absolutely.
01:03It has become a computer.
01:04That is why emotions are decreasing.
01:06Yes.
01:07Sir, streaming platforms have changed how people consume music.
01:11So do you think they help or hurt artists like you who create intricate and layered compositions?
01:19Look, this is a double-edged question.
01:21One advantage in this is that today music can easily reach a very wide place through a streaming platform.
01:31If you put a streaming platform like Spotify, iTunes, Gana, Sawan, wherever you put it, it becomes available worldwide.
01:43Earlier, you had to take a CD to a store and deliver it.
01:50Suppose an Indian album does not reach South Africa overseas.
01:56But in today's world, you can reach there through the internet and streaming.
02:02But its disadvantage is that I think the fun of a physical product is that you bought it, brought it home, opened the packaging,
02:17then you put it in a CD player or LP record player or cassette player and you are sitting to listen to it.
02:25You are taking that experience.
02:27I think there was a ceremony in it.
02:29The ceremony that was there has now left.
02:33And it has become very superficial that let's listen to it in the car or in the headphones.
02:41I think this attitude should come back a little.
02:45Similarly, people should go to the film hall and watch it.
02:50That ceremony is important.
02:52Your attention is not diverted.
02:55Because we have seen all eras.
02:58We miss that thing.
03:00Our CD came out, their rhythm came out, my rhythm came out.
03:03So many CDs came to the house.
03:07There was fun in it.
03:09Someone opened the packet, someone came and took an autograph on it.
03:13Now where will you give the autograph in Spotify?
03:16This is the change.
03:18Sir, Bollywood versus independent music.
03:21So where do you feel percussion is more representative?
03:24In both places, percussions gain respect.
03:27It is not like that at all.
03:28Percussion is used in both places.
03:30See, as I said, the use of percussion is decreasing.
03:33The use of percussionists is also decreasing.
03:36But what is happening, it has its own value in both places.
03:39It is not like that.
03:40They are showing a song, it is a drum, it is a tabla, it is drums or whatever it is.
03:47They are picking up that song.
03:49See, rhythm lifts the song many times.
03:52It depends on what kind of song it is.
03:54If it is a Punjabi song and if you listen to it without drums,
03:58unless and until it is a very slow song.
04:00But if it is a groovy number, you need a drum.
04:03So the drum player is showing it there.
04:05So the importance of percussionists is still there.
04:08It is just that maybe it is not playing as much as it should.
04:13It is playing less than that.
04:15Sir, what is your take on AI-generated music?
04:18Do you think it can ever replace human rhythm and emotion?
04:21No, I don't think it can replace.
04:24I feel that AI is doing a lot now.
04:27You can listen to Ustad Bolly Gulam Ali's Raag in the voice of Lata Mangeshkar.
04:31Definitely, there is no doubt about it.
04:33But when we do a live performance, there is a slight downshift.
04:41That will never happen with AI.
04:44Tafiq Bhai, I feel that a wave of AI has come and is coming.
04:52Now this wave will have a replacement.
04:56It is already happening.
04:58AI-generated songs are coming.
05:01AI-generated voices are coming. Everything is happening.
05:03But one thing will remain.
05:07This is my thought.
05:09If you think about stage, live performance.
05:16Why will we go there to see AI?
05:19You cannot replace the stage with AI.
05:22Because if you put AI there, no one will leave the house.
05:26They will not go to the stage.
05:27They will not buy a ticket.
05:28They will not go there.
05:29They will sit at home and listen to AI in headphones.
05:32But what will be the value of the human element at one time?
05:35It will become special.
05:37AI will spread so much.
05:38Then you will promote a concert or a song that it is live.
05:44Its value will suddenly increase.
05:47And AI will not even take money to do it.
05:50Here you will have to spend lakhs of rupees to listen to a live musician.
05:55So there is a limit to everything.
05:58If you replace a human being with a robot.
06:03We are a live human being.
06:09At one point, we will have a protest.
06:12A protest will come as a human being.
06:15Now we want live.
06:17And that is going to happen very soon.
06:19It is very important that there is spontaneity in a live concert.
06:25Which cannot be in AI.
06:27AI cannot catch spontaneity.
06:30We went somewhere and saw that it is not working.
06:34We can change it spontaneously.
06:36AI will not be able to do it.
06:38At least it is not able to do it yet.
06:39Maybe 3-4 years down the line, they may be able to program it as such.
06:43Sir, if we talk about live concerts.
06:46We see that in live concerts, the public gets nervous.
06:52And sometimes singers and performers also get nervous.
06:56Sometimes singers get angry.
07:00Singers tend to love more.
07:03Is it due to this kind of case?
07:05What I would say is that the audience.
07:09What do we say?
07:12If there is a loving audience, they will not lose their self-esteem.
07:18It depends on the situation and condition there.
07:21Sometimes it happens that so many people fill up.
07:24And the audience shout so much that you cannot hear the music.
07:28So sometimes people lose their self-esteem.
07:32Although these stories are not so much.
07:35There are only a few stories.
07:37But still, it happens in today's times.
07:40If a rowdy crowd has come, then they will start thinking.
07:44Why is this music? We don't want to listen to this, we want to listen to that.
07:47All this keeps happening.
07:49Nowadays, there are bouncers with Bollywood people.
07:54Fortunately, this does not happen in our music.
07:57Our music is such that there is a limited audience.
08:01There are more than 2000 people.
08:03There are 10-10,000 people there.
08:05Because of the limited audience, people have to listen to music in peace.
08:10And people like to listen to music in peace.
08:13In this case, the chances of this happening are less.
08:16There is a big story.
08:18There was a concert of Pandit Jasraj in Bhopal.
08:23It was written there that Pandit Jasraj will sing vocals.
08:27So people came and created a riot there.
08:30They said, give our money back.
08:32They said, why?
08:33They said, we have written today's ticket.
08:35It is written there that Pandit Jasraj will sing vocals.
08:39So this also happens sometimes.
08:41But usually, in our music, which is connected to classical or fusion,
08:45have you ever experienced this kind of thing?
08:48No, Taufiq bhai.
08:49I feel that our environment is that of a concert venue.
08:55And there is very little rowdiness in it.
08:58Almost never.
08:59So those who come to the auditorium, they come with a feeling,
09:04they come with a mentality.
09:07The better we listen, the better the artist will play.
09:12Reciprocation.
09:13Reciprocation.
09:14If he is a good listener, then we will do better.
09:18Because our music is improvised.
09:20And improvisation, as I said earlier, has a risk.
09:24So if you maintain peace, then we will be able to give you better.
09:29So the price of the same ticket, you will get better at that price.
09:34You will get better.
09:36So that's why we don't have much in it.
09:50We don't even know what happened.
09:52No, the fan kissed, so he also kissed.
09:55What will you say about it?
09:57What will we say about it?
09:59It has nothing to do with us.
10:02We will tell you about it.
10:08No, we will not give you any moral viewpoint about it.
10:11Because this question is for them.
10:14And only they will know the answer to it.
10:18And why should we comment on it?
10:20Because it has nothing to do with our album.
10:23Nor does it have anything to do with our music.
10:26Lastly, sir, what message would you like to give to your fans?
10:29First of all, I would like to say that Ramta has been released.
10:33It is available on all audio platforms.
10:34Two videos have been released.
10:36Please watch it.
10:37Look, this is not Bollywood.
10:39These are not Punjabi songs.
10:41They are good in their own right.
10:42Our music is also good.
10:44So encourage this music too.
10:46Listen to it.
10:47And share it.
10:49It has reached a very large audience.
10:53And it will reach a large audience only when you spread it.
10:58When you share it.
11:00So if you like the music, give us your blessings.
11:03And please share and like this music.
11:05Same from me.
11:07And we are doing Ramta shows in every city.
11:10Please come and enjoy its live experience.