📣 CRIPTOGATE: LA PALABRA DE DAIANA FERNÁNDEZ MOLERO Y CAROLINA LOSADA
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00:00Do you think this definition will have an impact or a rethinking by the government?
00:05What do you expect from the PRO?
00:07Look, I don't think this necessarily changes our relationship with the government
00:12because the truth is that our place has always been very clear.
00:15We are here to bank the institutions,
00:19to bank the macroeconomic order and our relationship with the world.
00:23If you want, you talk about the iron triangle.
00:25For us, the iron triangle is that.
00:28Macro normalization, normalization of the institutions
00:31and normalization of our relationship with the world.
00:34We will always be in that place
00:36and if the government runs away, we will be trying to get them back in order.
00:41In this case, for example, institutionally,
00:43it seems to us that, as they said, it is a matter of investigation.
00:47This has to be investigated seriously.
00:49It is not appropriate to make a political or media show with such delicate things
00:53to affect what we say is the normalization of the economy for the Argentines.
00:58Very clear.
00:59Diana, allow me to include Senator Carolina Lozada in the conversation.
01:03We have her connected.
01:05Carolina was key yesterday in the Senate.
01:07You know very well that Kirchnerism wanted to move forward
01:10with a request for investigation, a commission of investigators,
01:12as Diana said, to make a show.
01:14Kirchnerism suddenly remembered republicanism,
01:17remembered the institutions,
01:19remembered transparency,
01:22the importance of transparency
01:24and wanted to move forward with a commission of investigators.
01:27Carolina, how are you?
01:28What do you think about this option of investigating in the Senate?
01:36Let's see, I can't hear you.
01:38I can't hear you.
01:39I can hear you well.
01:40There we are, there we are.
01:41Yes?
01:42Yes, perfect.
01:43I think it's good that everything is transparent,
01:47that the government clarifies what needs to be clarified.
01:51It wasn't a commission of investigators
01:53with the aim of making fun of Kirchnerism,
01:56who are the ones who are looking to overturn it.
01:59Rather, the will of everyone,
02:03I think of all the parties that are there,
02:05is to support, to push the government as far as possible,
02:09because precisely pushing the government
02:12and that the government doesn't fall
02:14and that my law regains the credibility it always had,
02:17is what will make us move forward as a country.
02:22What you are proposing is to investigate justice,
02:25to advance justice, but to investigate.
02:27Investigate everything that needs to be investigated.
02:29For me, honestly, I don't support anything.
02:31Investigate everything that needs to be investigated.
02:33The issue is,
02:35what I emphasized is moral authority
02:38and clarifying.
02:40It was a moment when I didn't even think of speaking,
02:42but listening to them speak
02:44about issues related to corruption,
02:47being republican.
02:49It's what you are in the moment,
02:51it boils your blood,
02:53because they seem like terrible scoundrels.
02:552014, voodoo processed by Zicón,
02:57Kirchnerism defended it.
02:59Right there, in that same place,
03:01José Mayanz, head of the Union por la Patria block,
03:04defending voodoo.
03:06Well, there are a lot of examples of Kirchnerism
03:08blocking investigations against corruption.
03:10Even Cristina, vice-president,
03:12when she was condemned,
03:14she didn't ask for anything either, right, Carolina?
03:16And she was condemned
03:18presiding over the Senate.
03:20And they are the same people who don't want a clean slate.
03:22Because they don't pass it.
03:24They say it's against Cristina,
03:26a clean slate.
03:28A clean slate is against corruption.
03:30Cristina, it's such a coincidence
03:32that the most powerful
03:34and disgusting corruption
03:36that you see,
03:38they have it.
03:40It's against them.
03:42It's not against Kirchnerism.
03:44It's against anyone.
03:46What happens is that voodoo,
03:48Debido, López, Cristina,
03:50and at the time so many others,
03:52are Kirchnerism.
03:54So, evidently, they all got together
03:56in the same group for some reason, right?
03:58Dayana, you referred to, well,
04:00not hindering the economic direction,
04:02the direction and the confidence
04:04that there is still about President Milley.
04:06The position of the pro that was seen yesterday
04:08is the one that the deputies also share,
04:10Mauricio Macri even,
04:12the head of the political party that you integrate.
04:14Yes, clearly.
04:16We all believe that it's good for Argentina.
04:18It's our responsibility too.
04:20And we work for that.
04:22We don't work for a government.
04:24We don't work for President Milley.
04:26We work with the same mandate
04:28that the Argentines gave us.
04:30And one of the things we have to do
04:32is normalize the economy,
04:34lower inflation,
04:36but we don't have to forget
04:38the institutional part,
04:40and as I was saying, our relationship with the world,
04:42and keep, let's say,
04:44the institutions working.
04:46So that's why we're going to be
04:48accompanying and reorienting
04:50when those things don't happen,
04:52but from the healthy thing, as I would say.
04:56The healthy thing is that
04:58it doesn't happen that it is used
05:00immediately, because there are some
05:02who are waiting with a knife and fork
05:04to be able to destabilize the government.
05:06Of course, the older brother
05:08responsible, you say.
05:10Yes, yes, sometimes I say it too much.
05:12Carolina, is there a risk
05:14that this episode
05:16is transferred to politics,
05:18that is, the political is accentuated,
05:20and then affects the economy,
05:22or you as a position, in quotation marks,
05:24a dialogist, also responsible,
05:26as Diana raised,
05:28well, are you seeing it with concern?
05:30Look, obviously
05:32there is a concern,
05:34because if this
05:36prospers negatively,
05:38it can affect, obviously.
05:40Without a doubt, in the long run, yes,
05:42but I think the government is
05:44in a very good moment,
05:46where people continue to trust the government,
05:48where the economy
05:50is getting better, I heard it from Diana,
05:52and the truth is that the economy is getting better.
05:54We are there to point out everything
05:56that is good and try to
05:58push it forward.
06:00Let's see, here are two types of country,
06:02right?
06:04Those who want to go back
06:06and bring back the country
06:08that gives you the bicycle,
06:10but you don't even know where the bicycle comes from,
06:12or we know.
06:14Yes, the populist country,
06:16the one of the inauguration of canals,
06:18exactly.
06:20Or to inaugurate roads
06:22that are not made later,
06:24with the works of Rosa Bernal,
06:26Nazaro Báez, and all that,
06:28to build a platform
06:30that is solid enough
06:32so that from now on,
06:34Argentina,
06:36or Mille,
06:38or whoever,
06:40whoever we choose,
06:42Argentines, whatever,
06:44is built on a platform.
06:46And those who seek
06:48populism,
06:50who seek to give away
06:52the little,
06:54quick,
06:56and not what is long-term,
06:58well, that has been left behind.
07:00Because I think today people have already realized
07:02and the ticket has stung them.
07:04Today people, populism, the ticket has stung them.
07:06The ticket has stung them, that's strong.
07:08That's it, do you think that,
07:10even though these episodes don't make sense,
07:12because society looks back and says,
07:14hey, I don't want to go back to that,
07:16despite the fact that it coincides that it has to be investigated,
07:18despite the fact that this was not good.
07:20Well, a bit like what I did in the polls,
07:2255% of positive image
07:24of Mille, but also with a reproach
07:26for that tweet.
07:28Well,
07:30this is common sense.
07:32This is pure common sense,
07:34which is what people have.
07:36People have common sense, which is the one that sometimes
07:38lacks when one gets inside
07:40and the only thing it does is to be locked up
07:42among politicians, right?
07:44The common sense that tells you,
07:46yes, let's see, what happened? Well, yes, we want to know what happened.
07:48It's okay if you follow me. Obviously it's okay.
07:50I, personally,
07:52I believe the president, because I've known him for many years.
07:54He's a friend of mine.
07:56You believe the president?
07:58Beyond your relationship, do you believe the president?
08:00I believe him
08:02because I know him.
08:04And I know that he didn't come for the gold,
08:06but for the bronze, as he always says.
08:08He was never a person who was
08:10interested in...
08:12Well, what Carolina is saying is strong,
08:14because there is a sector of radicalism
08:16that is going to accuse you, I don't know,
08:18of being functional to Mille.
08:20No, no, because everyone knows what I think and everything.
08:22Now,
08:24someone else, you ask me,
08:26do you want it to be investigated?
08:28Of course. But why?
08:30Who cares who I believe?
08:32Who cares if I believe or not?
08:34What matters is that
08:36society believes it,
08:38that markets believe it,
08:40that the investor believes it.
08:42Do you understand? That's what matters
08:44to build a country.
08:46Wait for me a little bit there.
08:48I'm going to Carolina because I want to consult
08:50Diana Fernández Molero, the national deputy
08:52of the PRO, one of the deputies with the highest profile
08:54of the technical block,
08:56technical profile, economist.
08:58Well, if this can have an impact
09:00on the economy, on the macro,
09:02and on the link with the monetary fund
09:04and with international organizations.
09:06Diana.
09:08Look, the foundations for Argentina
09:10to be recovering, for me at this moment
09:12are very solid.
09:14I mean, it has to do with the fiscal adjustment
09:16has to do with how
09:18inflation is going down
09:20and I think it is done on solid foundations.
09:22And besides
09:24the expertise that I think the economic team
09:26has, there is also
09:28a very responsible opposition,
09:30which has not abounded
09:32in the history of Argentina
09:34and today that is in front.
09:36So I think all that gives solidity
09:38also to the economic plan
09:40and well, hopefully
09:42a deal with the fund will be quickly reached
09:44that can come to Congress
09:46that can be approved.
09:48We can continue to move forward,
09:50we can continue to remove the strain
09:52and transmitting confidence to the markets
09:54and that Argentina really begins to recover
09:56and can be seen more tangibly
09:58in jobs and others.
10:00Do you see the government, Diana,
10:02with the virtue
10:04or with the ability to learn from this?
10:06Hopefully, the truth is that
10:08I don't like to put myself in the place
10:10of giving indications to people
10:12that you have won.
10:14But you are the older brother.
10:16Well, we put ourselves there,
10:18but I can't tell you
10:20the truth that they won the elections,
10:22they communicate as they communicate.
10:24Now, it seems to me that it is good
10:26to protect ourselves because
10:28we also came from a party that
10:30at one point won the elections,
10:32I don't know if you remember, in 2017,
10:34the map was painted yellow,
10:36we were very, very confident,
10:38in December we wanted to pass a law,
10:40then in 2018 things happened.
10:42The experience of the brother.
10:44No, but not only that,
10:46the world today is much more turbulent,
10:48Argentina is not convenient
10:50in such a turbulent world
10:52and Trump adds a lot of noise
10:54to the world
10:56and that can also be factors
10:58that suddenly you come well
11:00and things happen
11:02and those things that happen can be dramatic.
11:04Very clear, very clear.
11:06Well, let's remember
11:08why the prosecutor investigates
11:10Javier Milei,
11:12why the prosecutor investigates Javier Milei,
11:14a key decision of Eduardo Tayano,
11:16it seems to me, if I can,
11:18my opinion, it seems good to me
11:20that the prosecutor wants to advance
11:22with a serious investigation
11:24to clear doubts,
11:26so that it does not fly over,
11:28so that no one blames more or less,
11:30you have to investigate seriously,
11:32you have to do justice
11:34with all the letters.
11:36Let's go to Colorado Hyde, Mark Davis,
11:38Julian P, who are the developers
11:40of Libre and the platform
11:42that housed, this is Mauricio Novelli,
11:44this is Manuel Terrones,
11:46the local part, the creators of Techforum
11:48and Sergio Morales,
11:50who has connections
11:52with the National Commission of Values.
11:54I want to tell you a word
11:56that is very important and that appears
11:58in the Dictate of the Prosecutor,
12:00and it says, in the wake of the case.
12:02Oops.
12:04What does it say there?
12:06In the Dictate it says,
12:08in this sense, and in virtue
12:10of the wake of the case,
12:12is that on the day of the date
12:14this investigation begins.
12:16Reiterate it, underline it.
12:18Before the wake of the case
12:20the investigation begins
12:22and there it signs a series
12:24of test measures.
12:26It is important, here the prosecutor
12:28Tayano, you correct me,
12:30you are the one who knows, Lucia, please.
12:32Tayano is saying
12:34this requires that justice
12:36be in accordance with what society
12:38is asking for, which is justice,
12:40that an investigation be initiated
12:42to determine whether there is or there is no crime.
12:44Especially if there is no crime,
12:46the president can also say,
12:48did you see that I was right?
12:50And if there is a crime, obviously,
12:52that justice, society, can have
12:54an answer as it should.
12:56Exactly, it is the word
12:58that the prosecutor Eduardo Tayano chooses.
13:00Maria Servini, in Comodoro Pi,
13:02who already has the alleged cause,
13:04today, 24 hours after that meeting,
13:06signs this decree
13:08that opens the investigation
13:10and uses this word, the word
13:12premura, and also speaks
13:14of the need to clarify
13:16these facts for society, Nacho.
13:18Well, let's see,
13:20Dayana, Mauricio Macri,
13:22in the statement of the PRO
13:24that the PRO drew before this case,
13:26said, at least for now,
13:28that we are not going to accompany
13:30the political trial.
13:32Do we have to read something in that sentence,
13:34at least for now, of what Macri said?
13:36I don't know if we have the tweet
13:38to situate the people,
13:40Dayana knows it, because she was there,
13:42she is in the kitchen of the PRO.
13:44Do we have to read a second intention
13:46in that sentence or not?
13:48Or is it from a bad journalist?
13:50No, the intention is to be,
13:52I mean, if later things happen
13:54that we find out that very strange things
13:56are happening, opening the possibility
13:58of political trial. Again, because sometimes
14:00I also hear, as it happens to Carolina
14:02in the Senate, that you hear
14:04that, I don't know, Kirchner's sister
14:06comes to give moral lessons
14:08or they tell you, how are they making us
14:10face international markets?
14:12But I was out when they killed a prosecutor.
14:14Do you understand? They killed Nisman.
14:16And now they say, how do we stay
14:18among international markets?
14:20So there is a lot of political exploitation
14:22and here what must be reaffirmed
14:24is on the side of doing the right thing
14:26and what has to be done.
14:28At this moment, what has to be done
14:30is that justice investigates
14:32and if the investigation of justice does not advance,
14:34we can say from the Congress, hey, investigate.
14:36Sure. Well, I saw you feel, Carolina,
14:38when Dayana was talking about
14:40the appearance of the Alicia Kirchner,
14:42of the Oscar Parrilli,
14:44of the Jose Mayans.
14:46Look, it seemed incredible to me
14:48that Parrilli dares
14:50to even talk about
14:52trial in absentia.
14:54I swear, he talked about each of the issues.
14:56It seems to me that what matters,
14:58first, nothing matters less to people
15:00than Parrilli's opinion,
15:02that he will really have to give
15:04better opinions to justice
15:06regarding his own actions.
15:08And yesterday, let's not forget that
15:10three very important laws were treated
15:12that have to do with security.
15:14Yesterday it was about
15:16trial in absentia,
15:18they talked and did not agree.
15:20Yesterday it was about reiteration,
15:22so that there is no turning point.
15:24Sometimes people do not know because they are technical issues,
15:26but it is so that there is no turning point,
15:28which is what we are all tired of.
15:30They did not agree that they came to add
15:32I don't know what, they approved such and such thing or not.
15:34Obviously, so that the deputies go later
15:36and bring you again and everything is slow.
15:38And finally,
15:40it was about the anti-mafia law,
15:42which the truth is very important to go against the mafias,
15:44not to talk about what happens in my province,
15:46but in the province of Buenos Aires
15:48everything is happening.
15:50We already know the level of insecurity
15:52that there is,
15:54the drug trafficking gangs,
15:56which have nothing to do with drug trafficking,
15:58but with other issues that are also harassing people,
16:00that people are afraid and get inside.
16:02It seems to me that we have to
16:04be working
16:06in the face of what society cares about.
16:08And the crisis has an agenda
16:10that looks only at its navel,
16:12as it always did.
16:14At the time it was for Cristina,
16:16but now they prescribe,
16:18according to them, to Cristina.
16:20Very clear. Carolina,
16:22we thank you very much for this little time
16:24and we will meet again at another time.
16:26Thank you Nacho, thank you guys.
16:28Well, Diana, wait for me, don't go.