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00:00Today, I'm in Saga Prefecture.
00:02I'm here with a special guest.
00:04Here she is.
00:06Hello.
00:08Hello, Ken-chan.
00:10I'm Hada Mishiko. Nice to meet you.
00:12Nice to meet you, too.
00:14Today, she's going to film with me
00:16because she loves making things
00:18so much that she's visited
00:20craftsmen from all over the country.
00:22This is Hada Mishiko,
00:24an actress,
00:26and she's going to film
00:28with me today.
00:30Hada Mishiko is an actress.
00:34I think it's amazing
00:36that people can create things.
00:38There are a lot of people
00:40who come to Saga,
00:42and there are many
00:44traditional craftsmen
00:46with a long history.
00:48Hada-san is perfect for this segment.
00:50Why didn't you invite me earlier?
00:52We've just started.
00:54I'm sorry.
00:56I'm going to film with Hada-san.
01:00The kimono of a gorgeous
01:02and glittering Hina doll.
01:06In addition,
01:08Saga's traditional kimono
01:10that gives color to
01:12the accessories
01:14such as name plates and accessories.
01:16Saga Nishiki.
01:20The precise technology
01:22based on experience
01:24has been passed down
01:26from our ancestors.
01:28It's the source of our feelings.
01:34This building is very nice.
01:36It says Saga Nishiki.
01:38I feel motivated.
01:42The entrance
01:44is very traditional.
01:46Today, we're going to
01:48talk to a craftsman here.
01:50Let's go.
01:52We came to a historical building
01:54where Saga Nishiki's exhibitions,
01:56sales, and performances are held.
02:02Excuse me.
02:04Hello.
02:06Thank you for coming.
02:08I'm Aoki from Toregate.
02:10I'm Michiko Hada.
02:12Nice to meet you.
02:14I'm Miki Matsumoto.
02:16Nice to meet you.
02:18This time,
02:20our guest is Michiko Matsumoto.
02:22She's 75 years old.
02:26She's been weaving Saga Nishiki
02:28for more than 40 years.
02:32First,
02:34let's see
02:36what Saga Nishiki is like.
02:38Wow.
02:40Please take a look.
02:42I'm so excited.
02:44Gen-chan,
02:46look at the pink floor
02:48in front of you.
02:50That's Saga Nishiki.
02:52It's so shiny.
02:54I want to see the pink floor.
02:56As soon as she entered the room,
02:58Hada-san
03:00made her eyes shine.
03:04Saga Nishiki
03:06was created
03:08after the Edo period
03:10when Lady Kashima Nabeshima
03:12was sick.
03:14She designed it
03:16using
03:18finely cut Japanese paper
03:20with gold and silver
03:22as a vertical thread.
03:24She used the dyed silk
03:26as a horizontal thread
03:28to weave it.
03:32If you look closely,
03:34there are patterns.
03:36Yes, there are.
03:38There are fireworks
03:40inside the azure.
03:42The more I look at it,
03:44the more I'm drawn to it.
03:46I'm drawn to it.
03:48Hada-san's eyes
03:50are shining.
03:52It's reflecting.
03:54It's sparkling.
03:56She's interested in the reflection.
03:58It's very interesting.
04:00It's amazing
04:02that such a beautiful thing
04:04existed since the Edo period.
04:06Hada-san
04:08visited the next room.
04:10Excuse me.
04:12Hello.
04:14It's so cute.
04:16It's so cute.
04:18What is this?
04:20It's a doll.
04:22This is a kimono
04:24that Lady Hina wears.
04:26Yes, it's made by Saga Nishiki.
04:28Saga Joka Hina Matsuri
04:30was the 24th year
04:32that Lady Hina started making kimonos.
04:34This year is the 24th year.
04:36After two or three years,
04:38Lady Hina of Saga Nishiki
04:40started participating
04:42in Saga Joka Hina Matsuri.
04:44It's been 20 years.
04:46It's important
04:48that traditional techniques
04:50change and evolve.
04:52It matches
04:54modern life.
04:56Recently,
04:58there are many houses
05:00that don't have big Hina dolls,
05:02so small and sparkling
05:04Saga Nishiki dolls
05:06are in demand.
05:10How is Saga Nishiki
05:12made?
05:16This is folded.
05:18That's right.
05:20The yellow one is vertical.
05:22That's right.
05:24This is the one
05:26with gold leaf on it.
05:28It's a vertical thread.
05:30The pattern is picked up
05:32with a spatula.
05:34This looks difficult.
05:36The yellow part
05:38is thin.
05:40I want to put it in.
05:42The thread goes in
05:44where the bamboo is visible.
05:46It's not wrong.
05:48That's right.
05:50The bamboo is in the pattern.
05:52The thread goes in here.
05:54The yellow part
05:56goes in here.
05:58After cutting the bamboo,
06:00a new thread
06:02went in.
06:04Then,
06:06I tied it up.
06:10But it's difficult.
06:14She uses a spatula
06:16to pick up
06:18the part she wants to put the thread in.
06:20She passes
06:22a horizontal thread through it.
06:24By repeating it,
06:26the pattern is made.
06:36Ms. Hada experienced
06:38how difficult it is
06:40to weave Saganishiki.
06:44Like this.
06:46The front thread
06:48goes in from the top.
06:50Lift and hold it.
06:52Lift and hold it.
06:54One thread at a time.
06:56Lift and hold it.
06:58It's difficult.
07:00It's hard to put it in.
07:02It's difficult.
07:04Ken-chan!
07:06Two threads went in.
07:08Ah!
07:10It's like a failure.
07:12It's like a failure.
07:14Two threads went in.
07:16It's like a failure.
07:18Hold it.
07:20This is
07:22the order of
07:24holding and lifting.
07:26Next, lift and hold.
07:28Lift and hold.
07:30Ken-chan, I don't understand.
07:32Next,
07:34lift and hold.
07:36Lift and hold.
07:40It's difficult.
07:42It's difficult.
07:44It's really difficult.
07:46This is
07:48what Ms. Matsumoto
07:50has to do.
07:52It's totally different.
07:54It's fast.
07:56Is it right?
07:58It's right.
08:02It's amazing.
08:04It's really fast.
08:06It's amazing.
08:08It's really fast.
08:10Is it right?
08:12It's amazing.
08:14It's the same, right?
08:16It's the beauty of hard work.
08:18It's the beauty of hard work.
08:20I didn't know.
08:22I didn't know.
08:24I didn't know.
08:26I understand the beauty
08:28and value of women,
08:30but I didn't know.
08:32but I didn't know.
08:36It may take a whole day
08:38to fold up 1 cm.
08:40It may take a whole day
08:42to fold up 1 cm.
08:44I didn't know
08:46it was such a precise folding
08:48that required concentration
08:50and patience.
08:52I didn't know
08:54it was such a precise folding
08:56that required concentration
08:58and patience.
09:00The color is beautiful.
09:02The color is beautiful.
09:04I admire it.
09:06I admire it.
09:08It's really beautiful.
09:10But isn't it the same
09:12in the same painting?
09:14Yes, but it's a geometric pattern,
09:16so the line is beautiful.
09:18so the line is beautiful.
09:20It's an original.
09:22It's an original.
09:24She took a break
09:26in the garden.
09:28She took a break
09:30in the garden.
09:32She took a break
09:34in the garden.
09:40How is it?
09:42It smells like cherry blossoms.
09:44It smells like cherry blossoms.
09:46It smells like cherry blossoms.
09:48I can taste the sweetness
09:50and the saltiness.
09:52It's delicious.
09:54The Saganishiki
09:56was originally a practice
09:58for the samurai.
10:00It's not like there's a large-scale workshop.
10:02It's not like there's a large-scale workshop.
10:04The craftsmen
10:06live in their own homes
10:08and find time
10:10to weave the threads.
10:14Mr. Matsumoto
10:16has been following the Saganishiki
10:18for over 40 years.
10:20He recently had a new idea
10:22about the Saganishiki.
10:24I hope that
10:26many people in the next generation
10:28will learn the Saganishiki
10:30and will weave
10:32the threads
10:34just like I learned.
10:36I hope that
10:38many people will learn the Saganishiki
10:40and will weave
10:42the threads
10:44just like I learned.
10:46In order to spread
10:48the Saganishiki
10:50めるため 初心者向けの構成会を開いて光景者育成にも力を入れている のです
11:08上での あの
11:11It's like a partner.
11:13It's not just about using it in everyday life,
11:16but through making it, your life expanded.
11:19That's right.
11:21As I got older,
11:24I started to feel the goodness of Japanese traditional culture.
11:30I'm looking forward to seeing how people in the past
11:35can match with the present.
11:39That's right.
11:41It must be a lot of fun.
11:44I don't think it's a lot of fun.
11:49It's beautiful, it's fun, and I'm happy when it's done.
11:55I don't think it's painful.