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00:00As-salamu alaykum, dear viewers, welcome to the program, I am your host, Khawar Gulman.
00:17Today, we have 4-5 stories in our program, on which we will talk about Sher Afzal Marwad
00:25and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:27As you know, he entered the party with a lot of enthusiasm.
00:31Today, we have news that he has been dismissed from the party.
00:34Why has he been dismissed from the party? We will talk about that.
00:37There has been another meeting of the Opposition Alliance.
00:40And Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is once again trying their best
00:44to take over the leadership role of the Opposition Alliance.
00:52Will they succeed in this effort? We will talk about this as well.
00:57Today, we saw a news in the newspapers.
01:01Respected Rana Salawla is talking about two judges,
01:07that some of their recent statements or some of their acts
01:14are having an effect on the smooth functioning of the judiciary.
01:19So, there is a possibility that a reference file will be filed against him.
01:22Hassan Ayub said yesterday that Article 209 is going to be used extensively in the coming days.
01:31If anyone disobeys the discipline, especially in the judiciary,
01:35then he will be scrutinized.
01:39But today, our first story is that the IMF delegation is present in Pakistan.
01:47There are meetings going on.
01:49I think this meeting is being discussed by the media for the first time.
01:59There is a lot of debate going on.
02:01But our Prime Minister, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
02:04was on a tour of the UAE two days ago.
02:07He met the head of the IMF there.
02:12The people of his cabinet are very happy about this meeting.
02:20Yesterday, I met the MD of the IMF.
02:23I would like to repeat the words of the MD of the IMF.
02:42I took a pause and said,
02:43Prime Minister, I took a risk.
02:45I took this decision.
02:47And I wanted to convey that,
02:49well, past is past.
02:51This time, it will be different.
02:53I said, thank you very much, Managing Director.
02:56Together, we have proven them wrong.
03:00And then she praised Team Pakistan most lavishly.
03:06I have not heard such words from the head of an international forum in recent years.
03:15This appreciation does not come that easily.
03:19You have earned it through your hard efforts and untiring efforts.
03:24So I would like to applaud your efforts.
03:26Shahbaz Sharif praised the efforts of his government in this regard.
03:36Kristalina Georgieva, the MD of the IMF, tweeted today.
03:44She said,
03:45Wonderful to meet PM Shahbaz and his team.
03:51I am encouraged by their strong commitment to Pakistan's IMF-supported reforms
03:55and support their decisive actions to pave the way for higher growth and more jobs for Pakistan's youth population.
04:04She also admits that Pakistan is acting in a letter-in-spirit manner on all its commitments with the IMF,
04:14which is good for Pakistan's youth population, their future and their jobs.
04:20Shoaib Nizami, our Special Rapporteur, who covers finance, knows that
04:24how many meetings of the IMF mission have been held and how many meetings are left.
04:31Shoaib, thank you very much.
04:32Yesterday, I met with the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
04:36The next important meeting is with the Chief Election Commissioner.
04:40The other meetings are with the Audit General of Pakistan and the Finance Department.
04:49These are the meetings with the Chief Justice of Pakistan and the Chief Election Commissioner.
04:56How many meetings are left and how many have been held?
04:59We met with the Audit General of Pakistan.
05:04We discussed the audit system of all the public sector institutions and ministries of the government.
05:11The IMF delegation has not made a statement on the non-compliance of the PSC decisions.
05:20This was a very important point.
05:22The PSC decisions are not in compliance with them.
05:24This is a breach of privacy.
05:26This was discussed in the meeting with the AGP.
05:30We met with the FBI.
05:32We discussed the details of the FBI and the corruption.
05:36We discussed the issues related to tax theft.
05:41We discussed the issues related to smuggling.
05:44We discussed the issues related to the corporate sector in the Security Action Commission of Pakistan.
05:49We discussed the difficulties of the corporate sector.
05:51We discussed the difficulties of the corporate sector in the stock market.
05:56We met with the Ministry of Law.
05:59We met with the other parties.
06:02We did not know when the meeting with the Election Commission was scheduled.
06:07We did not know when the meeting with the Election Commission was scheduled.
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08:28We did not know when the meeting with the Election Commission was scheduled.
08:29We did not know when the meeting with the Election Commission was scheduled.
08:30We did not know when the meeting with the Election Commission was scheduled.
08:31Meghna who stayed with you didn't agree to anything about how the meeting with the
08:41Election Commission was scheduled.
08:48How has she not been told in response to you.
08:56Did you talk to her about that?
08:58Only when it was cancelled.
08:59ortion.
09:30they might say that we should also benchmark this as a structural issue.
09:34Rana, we were also asked about the IMF's mission,
09:39the way it is being reported, the way it is being discussed,
09:43so what is your opinion on that?
09:45The IMF's mission has been met with Chief Justice Yahya Faridi.
09:49Now, what are their expectations from us,
09:52or what assurances do they want from our judicial system?
09:56This meeting was due in April or last September.
10:02Despite the fact that it could not happen, and now it is happening,
10:05the media has given it an out-of-proportion importance.
10:09There is no such thing in it.
10:12This is a routine matter, where the IMF's program takes place,
10:17they get awareness on these things as well.
10:22Mr. Iblamsen, the way I was watching,
10:26the MD, Ms. Kristalina, she has also praised it,
10:29the Prime Minister himself has also expressed his opinion on that incident.
10:33Along with that, it is obvious that the IMF is in the 23rd program,
10:36they have also had various meetings in the past.
10:39So, there is so much debate on meetings, on the media,
10:43for no reason, as Mr. Rana Sanalo is saying.
10:46Mr. Chaudhary, do you think that there is a storm in it,
10:50that there is no such kind of a meet in this story,
10:53as much as they are trying to find something in it?
10:58No, if the head of the IMF is praising that you have acted on our conditions,
11:05then what do you mean by that?
11:08Don't bring that into the discussion.
11:10Let it be like that.
11:12But this visit of the Supreme Court, of this delegation,
11:17and the mention of good governance, corruption, and all these things,
11:22in fact, the name of its mission is such.
11:25So, if you ignore that, then it means that
11:28the loot that you have created,
11:30or the darkness that has been created in Pakistan,
11:34you should be worried about that,
11:37that if you cannot bring good governance,
11:41then today or tomorrow, they will hit you on the face,
11:44as the gamblers give you money.
11:47But today they have praised,
11:49so one must acknowledge that the IMF chief has appreciated Pakistani effort
11:56to fulfil the requirements for getting further tranches of loans from IMF.
12:05So, that is understandable.
12:07But if you want to keep corruption and looting at bay,
12:11then I am sorry, this won't work.
12:15Okay, Shoaib, tell me,
12:17obviously, they will prepare a comprehensive report on this,
12:22because they are meeting with various institutions.
12:25So, in your view, you have been looking at the finance ministry for a long time.
12:30This time, the benchmark that will be decided,
12:33as you have said,
12:34the aim is that a new benchmark will be decided,
12:37which we will have to fulfil.
12:39As a Pakistani, I think we need reform.
12:41If the IMF tells us something good,
12:43then there is nothing wrong in implementing it.
12:46So, why are we hearing some noise about this for no reason?
12:52The thing is that in 2018, the IMF introduced the GCDA.
13:00This is happening in Pakistan right now.
13:02There was a report on Mali,
13:04and in that report, they have removed the skin of the hair.
13:07The situation in Pakistan right now,
13:09if they had compiled this report,
13:11then there is a possibility that it will be documented
13:14and will be historical.
13:18Because they are going to do this in 20 countries.
13:20So far, they have published four reports,
13:23of Sri Lanka, Mauritania, Zambia, and Mali.
13:27The reports that are coming out,
13:29as I said, they have removed the skin of the hair.
13:33So, if a report like this comes out about Pakistan,
13:36and if such things come up in these circumstances,
13:40then in the coming times,
13:42it will affect the other donors of Pakistan.
13:44Because the issues of governance are not only for Pakistan,
13:47but also for the ADB, the World Bank,
13:50because the issues of transparency will also go there.
13:53So, the government of Pakistan is trying to
13:56provide all the information they are asking for,
14:00so that there is no doubt in their minds.
14:04Mr. Chaudhary wants to ask a question.
14:07Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
14:09Mr. Nizami, this Supreme Court visit is a routine matter of IMF.
14:16How many visits have been made to the Supreme Court before?
14:19Mr. Chaudhary, this security has never been requested by the IMF.
14:31The diagnostic assessment of corruption and governance came in 2018.
14:38So, this is the first time that it is coming to Pakistan.
14:40Yesterday, Hassan Ayub was also discussing in the program
14:44that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is not only CJP,
14:48but he also has other responsibilities,
14:50because of which he had to meet.
14:52The finance minister has asked him to meet CJP himself.
14:58Mr. Chaudhary, please stay with us.
15:00I would like to ask Hassan about this further.
15:04Obviously, not less than his own MD is saying that
15:08the commitment that Pakistan has made with us,
15:10I am looking at it from a different angle.
15:12There is a need for reforms in Pakistan.
15:14If there is a question, there is a need for reforms.
15:16There is a need for radical changes in the structural reforms.
15:21There is a need to solve the problems in justice in Pakistan.
15:26There is a need for protection of property rights.
15:30There is a concern about property rights.
15:32The reason for the meeting is that the head of NJPMC,
15:35which is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
15:37which is a district committee of the Law and Justice Commission,
15:41and the chairman of the Law and Justice Commission
15:43is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
15:45When he becomes the Chief Justice,
15:47when he gets the constitutional post,
15:49then automatically, the head of all these institutions
15:51is the Chief Justice, the chairman,
15:53sometimes the president, sometimes the head.
15:55That is, if you look at the Supreme Judicial Council,
15:57its head is also the Chief Justice.
15:59The head of the Judicial Commission is also the Chief Justice.
16:01Similarly, the head of NJPMC,
16:03the National Judicial Policymaking,
16:06is also the Chief Justice.
16:08Now, he has to explain what policymaking work is being done,
16:11what reforms are being done.
16:14Now, there are issues of property,
16:16there are litigations,
16:17then there are some litigations of FBR,
16:19where whatever things are there,
16:21that is, the structural changes that are coming,
16:23he mentioned about that,
16:24mentioned accountability.
16:25So, he did not meet as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
16:29This meeting, you understand this a little technically.
16:32Now, whatever color you want to give it,
16:35but this kind of meeting has never happened in the past,
16:37but as Shoaib is telling in other 20 countries,
16:40this thing is also being replicated there.
16:42So, he has picked 20 countries,
16:44Pakistan also falls in that, unfortunately.
16:46Now, the reforms that should be done in Pakistan,
16:48the IMF discipline is very strict,
16:50the belt tightening is there,
16:51but for whose betterment is that?
16:53For our own betterment.
16:54And what the head of the IMF said,
16:56that is very good.
16:58One more thing is very important.
17:00We, as Pakistanis,
17:03have to see that if Pakistan is getting a loan from the IMF,
17:09the rest of the donors are also clubbed.
17:12So, if we support this or do something against this,
17:16then it will not be democratic.
17:18The guidance given by Bani Chairman Tariq Khan,
17:20which is a dozier made up of 400 pages,
17:24this is basically an effort to defame Pakistan internationally.
17:29In this regard, the letters that are being written,
17:31sometimes to the Chief Justice,
17:33sometimes to the Chief Army Staff,
17:36the purpose of these letters is also that
17:38the propaganda that they have to do,
17:40the campaign against Pakistan,
17:42they are basically giving fuel to that.
17:44This is the objective.
17:46First, they had to write a letter to the IMF,
17:48that how to give to Pakistan,
17:49that Pakistan should default like Sri Lanka.
17:51Alhamdulillah, Pakistan has become stable today.
17:53The IMF is also praising.
17:54That thing is not being digested by them.
17:56Okay, Shoaib, thank you very much for giving all the details.
17:59Okay, Mr. Ghulam Hussain, let's take a little break.
18:02After the break, we will talk.
18:04A statement by Mr. Rana Sanawal has come forward.
18:07Some news has also been published about his statement,
18:10today on the media,
18:12that two senior judges in the Supreme Court,
18:16there are some concerns about them.
18:19And they are saying that this is my personal view on this,
18:22this is not the view of the government.
18:24And why are they talking like this?
18:26And yesterday, you will remember,
18:28there were some remarks of the Islamic High Court,
18:30a judge of the Islamic High Court,
18:32was also reacted by the Speaker of the National Assembly.
18:35So, we will talk about all these issues after the break.
18:42Welcome back.
18:43He is the political advisor of the Prime Minister.
18:46He is a former law minister,
18:47because this time he could not win the election from Faisalabad.
18:50Mr. Rana Sanawal,
18:51he is the President of Pakistan Muslim League Noon Punjab.
18:55His statement has been published in the newspapers today.
18:58Yesterday, he gave an interview to a television channel.
19:00In the news, there is a story,
19:02reference possible against two Supreme Court judges,
19:05Mr. Rana Sanawal,
19:07alleges their action disrupting smooth functioning of apex courts,
19:11clarifies it is his opinion,
19:13matter not discussed in cabinet.
19:15He is saying that the actions of two judges,
19:20are damaging the smooth functioning of the court.
19:27Therefore, it is possible that a reference can be filed against him.
19:31But he has also clarified that it is his opinion,
19:34matter not discussed in cabinet.
19:37Similarly, this news has also been published in Urdu,
19:40that the actions of two judges of the Supreme Court,
19:43could be a reference.
19:45What did he say in his statement,
19:47in the interview that he gave?
19:50The government is in favor of making more references.
19:55Two senior judges of the Supreme Court,
19:59in some cases,
20:02their style of action,
20:04with utmost respect,
20:07and keeping in mind their position,
20:11this is my opinion.
20:12Whether a reference is being made or not,
20:15I have no knowledge about it.
20:17But some cases are such that it can be made.
20:22He said that some cases are such that it can be made.
20:26Yesterday, Justice Mohsin Akhtar Kiani,
20:29gave some remarks,
20:31on which Speaker Iyaz Sadiq,
20:33of the National Assembly,
20:35gave a comment.
20:37What did he say?
20:39Today, I saw a report in the media,
20:42Mr. Law Minister,
20:44in which an honourable judge,
20:46of Islamabad High Court,
20:48commented that,
20:50he has used the name of the Parliament.
20:54He has collapsed the Executive and Judiciary.
20:58Nobody has a right to give a statement,
21:00against the Parliament of Pakistan.
21:03This is our prerogative.
21:05If this is true, I hope this is not true.
21:08If this is true, please convey to that honourable judge.
21:11It is, please convey to the honourable judge,
21:15this is not acceptable to the Parliament.
21:18This is not acceptable to the Parliament.
21:21This is not his prerogative.
21:23Whatever we are doing in the Parliament,
21:25we will do as we please.
21:27This is what Speaker Iyaz Sadiq had to say.
21:29You have been giving news for a long time.
21:31Yesterday, you also talked about it,
21:33that Article 209 of the Constitution,
21:35is going to be active.
21:37Viewers, Article 209 of the Constitution,
21:39says that in Pakistan,
21:41the High Court Judges,
21:43or Supreme Court Judges,
21:45if they want to fire someone,
21:47if they want to sack someone,
21:49if they want to fire someone,
21:51if they want to determine a misconduct,
21:53then the Supreme Judicial Council,
21:55will decide that,
21:57according to Article 209.
21:59That will be decided,
22:01by the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
22:03and his other members,
22:05the five senior judges.
22:07So, this is the whole matter.
22:09So, how soon are you going to activate
22:11this Article, this Supreme Judicial Council?
22:13Mr. Rana Salawat has already given
22:15a reference to your story.
22:17Mr. Rana Salawat used to comment on it.
22:19Now, you are asking me to comment
22:21on Mr. Rana Salawat's statement.
22:23Your story is linked to Mr. Rana Salawat's statement,
22:25and then you are getting it back.
22:27Are you upset about this too?
22:29The thing is, Mr. Rana is talking about
22:31two senior judges of the Supreme Court.
22:33According to me, before that,
22:35two judges of the High Court
22:37will come into play.
22:39Two?
22:41So, the total is four?
22:43No, according to me,
22:45before that, two judges of the High Court
22:47will come into play.
22:49As far as the Supreme Court is concerned,
22:51there is nothing on the table.
22:53There are two judges of the High Court.
22:55Two judges of the High Court?
22:57Yes, two judges of the High Court.
22:59Do you have any information about them?
23:01Yes, about the High Court of Istanbul.
23:03Are the two judges of the High Court
23:05included in the letter?
23:07Yes, they are included in the letter.
23:09I understand.
23:11But we cannot talk about
23:13the Supreme Judicial Council's
23:15proceedings.
23:17But in the past,
23:19the case of Chief Justice Qazi Faisal
23:21had a lot of comments on it.
23:23At that time,
23:25it was pushed back.
23:27But now,
23:29the other judges are coming.
23:31They were the judges of Uthman,
23:33and now they are the judges of Alia.
23:35Now, if they have a matter,
23:37they will have to deal with it.
23:39This is also a double standard of the media.
23:41When the statement comes,
23:43I remember that Qazi Faisal
23:45issued a gag order
23:47regarding the Hudaibiyah case.
23:49I don't think it was discussed.
23:51If you can recall.
23:53But there is no restriction
23:55in the newspapers.
23:57Why is there a restriction on television?
23:59There is an order
24:01where there is a restriction on television.
24:03Sir, I am telling you.
24:05The news that Rana Sanala
24:07is telling you,
24:09he is talking about two judges
24:11of the Supreme Court,
24:13and Hassan Ayub
24:15is talking about two judges
24:17of the Salamat High Court.
24:19There are four in total.
24:21So, those who are accusing
24:23the courts
24:25with their own people,
24:27those who they consider as opponents,
24:29should be removed.
24:31This is very much in their plans.
24:33No one knows what will happen.
24:35No one knows what will happen.
24:37Let them do it.
24:39If they have done so much,
24:41this is also a step left.
24:43They should take it to the end.
24:45So that when they go against them,
24:47they don't cry.
24:49That we didn't do such a thing.
24:51Viewers,
24:53in the Supreme Judicial Council,
24:55supposedly,
24:57the news that is coming,
24:59will there be a reference file
25:01or a complaint against them?
25:03They will be given a chance
25:05to defend themselves.
25:07They will be given a chance
25:09to present their lawyer.
25:11So, of course,
25:13the Supreme Judicial Council
25:15takes the form of a judge
25:17and then a decision is given.
25:19You have seen in the past,
25:21two or three decisions in recent days.
25:23Let's move on to the next story.
25:25The efforts to become
25:27the Opposition Alliance
25:29First of all,
25:31the Prime Minister or the government
25:33reaches Maulana Fazl-e-Rehman's house.
25:35We met last time.
25:37The Prime Minister went.
25:39We met again yesterday.
25:41And in that meeting,
25:43Khakhan Basi, Maulana,
25:45Achak Zahid,
25:47and all the leaders of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
25:49were present.
25:51So, the efforts are being made
25:53to form an alliance
25:55that gives tough time
25:57to the opposition,
25:59to the government.
26:01In this regard,
26:03when Rana Sanawar was asked,
26:05he gave a very interesting answer.
26:07He welcomed the fact
26:09that it is a good thing
26:11that they are roping in Maulana.
26:13When they go to him,
26:15they will learn
26:17from his experience
26:19in politics.
26:21I think
26:23if they become
26:25a part of the opposition,
26:27they will learn
26:29from him.
26:31They will learn wisdom
26:33and wisdom.
26:35They will learn
26:37how to do things
26:39in a better way.
26:41I am in favor
26:43of them
26:45becoming a part of the opposition.
26:47Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin,
26:49are you
26:51taking Maulana
26:53as a
26:55lead role
26:57of the opposition alliance?
27:03His experience
27:05and his standing
27:07throughout the country
27:09can be seen
27:11in the following
27:13of his party
27:15in lakhs and thousands.
27:17He is acceptable
27:19to everyone.
27:21He had a bad relationship
27:23with PTI.
27:25Now, it has improved.
27:27His late father,
27:29Mufti Mehmood,
27:31you may remember
27:33his opinions against
27:35Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's
27:37Peoples Party.
27:39His leadership
27:41was with Mufti Mehmood.
27:43It is a fact
27:45that Fazl-ur-Rehman
27:47has a position
27:49with Mufti Mehmood.
27:51It is possible
27:53that he will
27:55like to lead
27:57the movement
27:59for the next election.
28:01What do you think?
28:03Maulana is a genuine leader.
28:05If PTI
28:07will be under his leadership,
28:09it will be beneficial.
28:11The decision will be Maulana's.
28:13When Maulana makes a decision,
28:15he has experience
28:17and experience is reflected.
28:19There is no politician
28:21who is more experienced
28:23and sensible than Maulana.
28:25We have to see
28:27whether PTI's
28:29chairman will
28:31allow his party
28:33to follow Maulana
28:35and accept him as a leader.
28:37If they accept Maulana as a leader,
28:39Maulana will support them.
28:41If PTI does not accept Maulana as a leader,
28:43they will lead.
28:45If PTI does not accept Maulana as a leader,
28:47Maulana will not support them.
28:49It is up to them to decide.
28:51If they support them,
28:53it will be beneficial for PTI.
28:55The next question is
28:57if Maulana becomes a party,
28:59as Mr. Mifta said,
29:01the minimum consensus is
29:03that we have to go for the fresh elections
29:05as soon as possible.
29:07Do you think Maulana
29:09will become a part
29:11of the minimum consensus?
29:13At the end of the day,
29:15Maulana will vote.
29:17He knows how to
29:19move things forward.
29:21The current system
29:23and the way
29:25the government is moving forward,
29:27Maulana,
29:29do you think he will be
29:31ready to lead
29:33an opposition
29:35with new elections?
29:37Yes, he will.
29:39But Maulana will have his own terms.
29:41PTI or other parties
29:43will have to come to his terms.
29:45Maulana will not take a dictation.
29:47But Maulana will take his input.
29:49He will make his own decisions.
29:51I am talking about the opposition alliance.
29:53If Maulana forms a working relationship,
29:55Maulana will be honest
29:57and sincere
29:59in taking the matter forward.
30:01You should not expect
30:03Maulana to deceive you.
30:05PTI has the potential
30:07to deceive you.
30:09I think the biggest hurdle
30:11in Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf
30:13was silenced by Maulana.
30:15Maulana's party,
30:17D.I. Khan,
30:19has the same constituency.
30:21They used to give statements
30:23against each other.
30:25But in KP,
30:27Junaid Akbar has the leadership.
30:29He is present in this meeting.
30:31The viewers think
30:33that PTI has
30:35endorsed Maulana.
30:37Irfan Siddiqui has agreed
30:39to take Maulana and Shahid Khan
30:41forward.
30:43But there were
30:453-4 meetings.
30:47I thought PTI
30:49would understand.
30:51But now it seems that
30:53that part is over.
30:55Irfan Siddiqui, what do you say?
30:57Do PTI invite him?
30:59No, they do not invite him.
31:01It is time to invite him.
31:03When he is satisfied
31:05with what he has done
31:07from 9th May to 6th November,
31:09he will understand
31:11that we want to have
31:13serious negotiations.
31:15Then he can join us.
31:17But we are not inviting him.
31:19We are not inviting him.
31:21We are not inviting him.
31:23Viewers,
31:25we were asked the same question
31:27by Barrister Gohar.
31:29It is said that
31:31weak is a long time in politics.
31:33Do you want to have negotiations?
31:35Tell me,
31:37the negotiations with the government
31:39are now closed?
31:41Negotiations are now
31:43a gone story.
31:45It is almost a history.
31:47But there is no
31:49point of no return in politics.
31:51Anything can happen.
31:53Do you have a point of no return?
31:55We announced earlier
31:57that there are no negotiations
31:59for the High Hall.
32:01Negotiations are on serious
32:03political issues.
32:05We were trying to find a solution
32:07for them.
32:09We wanted to hear
32:11everyone's point of view.
32:13We had two demands.
32:15Unfortunately,
32:17it did not happen.
32:19Mr. Ghulam,
32:21negotiations can
32:23resume anytime in politics.
32:25But
32:27in the parliament,
32:29we have seen
32:31and heard the meetings.
32:33Do you think that
32:35chapter is over for the time being
32:37and a new union
32:39will be formed?
32:41Will it decide
32:43to resume negotiations
32:45or move ahead?
32:47You have a lot of experience.
32:49You have seen different political movements.
32:51What do you say?
32:53I have felt
32:55two things.
32:57First, PTI has not received
32:59anything yet.
33:01But they themselves are very excited
33:03that we are
33:05about to achieve our goals.
33:07I still do not understand
33:09this.
33:11On the other hand,
33:13the IMF leaders
33:15have given a lot of praise.
33:17The government
33:19is very
33:21supportive of them.
33:23They are saying that
33:25the flags of success
33:27and the rivers of milk and honey
33:29will flow near.
33:31But I do not understand
33:33the sadness
33:35on their faces.
33:37Neither their optimism
33:39nor their
33:41disappointment.
33:43What is the problem?
33:45Mr. Khawar, please answer this.
33:47I will definitely answer.
33:49Do you understand
33:51that
33:53on one hand
33:55there is confidence
33:57and on the other hand
33:59there is no confidence?
34:01Were the negotiations
34:03not successful?
34:05The negotiations
34:07with PTI
34:09were said to be successful.
34:11Negotiations were said
34:13to be a matter of time.
34:15But the negotiations
34:17were not successful.
34:19I am asking you.
34:21Negotiations
34:23with the parliament
34:25were said to be successful.
34:27Mr. Khawar,
34:29I have never said
34:31that the negotiations
34:33were successful.
34:35Negotiations
34:37should have been successful.
34:39The political parties
34:41should have been in contact
34:43with each other.
34:45But now,
34:47the opposition
34:49is saying
34:51that there is
34:53some tension on their faces.
34:55This may be because of
34:57Maulana.
34:59Maulana has a street power.
35:01Maulana has a status.
35:03If Maulana is with PTI,
35:05other parties will get
35:07a face-saving.
35:09PTI's political
35:11grave was being dug.
35:13But to save it,
35:15Maulana will have to come
35:17up with a solution.
35:19Maulana has exhausted
35:21all his options.
35:23Negotiations,
35:25streets,
35:27gatherings.
35:29Swabi's gathering was
35:31very successful.
35:33After Swabi's gathering,
35:35why is there an inquiry
35:37between the two parties?
35:39Why is there an inquiry
35:41between the two parties?
35:43Why is there an inquiry
35:45between the two parties?
35:47Maulana will have to
35:49come up with a solution.
35:51The internal
35:53differences between
35:55Pakistan and Ishaq.
35:57We saw that
35:59Sher Afzal Marwad
36:01went to the stage
36:03and literally
36:05belittled
36:07the party's
36:09Secretary General,
36:11Mr. Barrister.
36:13We saw that
36:15Sher Afzal Marwad
36:17went to the stage
36:19and literally
36:21belittled
36:23the party's
36:25Secretary General,
36:27Mr. Barrister.
36:29We saw that
36:31Sher Afzal Marwad
36:33went to the stage
36:35and literally
36:37belittled
36:39the party's
36:41Secretary General,
36:43Mr. Barrister.
36:45We saw that
36:47Sher Afzal Marwad
36:49went to the stage
36:51and literally
36:53belittled
36:55the party's
36:57Secretary General,
36:59Mr. Barrister.
37:01We saw that
37:03Sher Afzal Marwad
37:05went to the stage
37:07and literally
37:09belittled
37:11the party's
37:13Secretary General,
37:15Mr. Barrister.
37:17We saw that
37:19Sher Afzal Marwad
37:21went to the stage
37:23and literally
37:25belittled
37:27the party's
37:29Secretary General,
37:31Mr. Barrister.
37:33We saw that
37:35Sher Afzal Marwad
37:37went to the stage
37:39and literally
37:41belittled
37:43the party's
37:45Secretary General,
37:47Mr. Barrister.
37:49We saw that
37:51Sher Afzal Marwad
37:53went to the stage
37:55and literally
37:57belittled
37:59the party's
38:01Secretary General,
38:03Mr. Barrister.
38:05We saw that
38:07Sher Afzal Marwad
38:09went to the stage
38:11and literally
38:13belittled
38:15the party's
38:17Secretary General,
38:19Mr. Barrister.
38:21We saw that
38:23Sher Afzal Marwad
38:25went to the stage
38:27and literally
38:29belittled
38:31the party's
38:33Secretary General,
38:35Mr. Barrister.
39:03We saw that
39:05Sher Afzal Marwad
39:07went to the stage
39:09and literally
39:11belittled
39:13the party's
39:15Secretary General,
39:17Mr. Barrister.
39:33We saw that
39:35Sher Afzal Marwad
39:37went to the stage
39:39and literally
39:41belittled
39:43the party's
39:45Secretary General,
39:47Mr. Barrister.
40:03We saw that
40:05Sher Afzal Marwad
40:07went to the stage
40:09and literally
40:11belittled
40:13the party's
40:15Secretary General,
40:17Mr. Barrister.
40:33We saw that
40:35Sher Afzal Marwad
40:37went to the stage
40:39and literally
40:41belittled
40:43the party's
40:45Secretary General,
40:47Mr. Barrister.
40:49We saw that
40:51Sher Afzal Marwad
40:53went to the stage
40:55and literally
40:57belittled
40:59the party's