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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Riasat Ali Azad (Lawyer)
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Fawad Chaudhry (Senior Leader)
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
"IHC Judges Ka Qasur Yeh Hai Kay...", Riasat Ali Azad's Reaction
"Govt Nay Bas Kisi Tariqay Say CourtsKo Control Karna Hai", Salman Akram Raja Criticizes PMLN Govt
Opposition Grand Alliance - PTI Kya Karnay Jarahi Hai? - Salman Akram Raja Reveal Insiders
PTI's backdoor talks...? Muhammad Zubair Shocking Revelations
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Riasat Ali Azad (Lawyer)
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Fawad Chaudhry (Senior Leader)
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
"IHC Judges Ka Qasur Yeh Hai Kay...", Riasat Ali Azad's Reaction
"Govt Nay Bas Kisi Tariqay Say CourtsKo Control Karna Hai", Salman Akram Raja Criticizes PMLN Govt
Opposition Grand Alliance - PTI Kya Karnay Jarahi Hai? - Salman Akram Raja Reveal Insiders
PTI's backdoor talks...? Muhammad Zubair Shocking Revelations
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman and today's top stories is that the judges of Islamabad
00:15High Court have written an important letter and we will focus on the significance of it
00:19and will also take a look at its legal and political perspective in the first part of
00:23the program.
00:24After that, should the negotiations be with the government or should they be free?
00:27Tariq-e-Insaf wants to talk to the government and the government wants to talk to Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:33How serious is this offer?
00:34We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:36In the end, the sanitary workers in Pakistan always get their salaries late and every year
00:41they protest against this.
00:43This is also happening this year.
00:46Let's start the program.
00:48Some time ago, the judges of Islamabad High Court have written a letter to the President
00:52of Pakistan and the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
00:55Let's quickly tell you what is being said in this letter.
00:58The judges of Islamabad High Court have written a letter to the President of Pakistan and
01:02the Chief Justice of Pakistan on the possibility of stopping the appointment of the Chief Justice
01:06from the second High Court.
01:08The letter has come to light when, according to sources, the junior judge of the Government
01:12of Lahore High Court wants to nominate the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.
01:18The letter was written on behalf of the five judges of Islamabad High Court, in which
01:22Justice Mohsin Akhtar Qiyani, Justice Tariq Mehmood Jahangiri, Justice Babur Sattar,
01:27Justice Sardar Ijaz Ishaq Khan and Justice Saman Rifat Imtiaz are included.
01:33While Justice Mia Gul Hassan, Justice Aurangzeb and Justice Arbaab Mohammad Tahir are not
01:38included in the list of judges who wrote the letter.
01:40Their names are there, but the signature is not there.
01:44What is said in the letter written on behalf of the judges of Islamabad High Court?
01:48The letter says that the Chief Justice should not be brought to Islamabad High Court from
01:52the second High Court.
01:54According to the letter of the judges, one of the three senior judges from Islamabad
01:58High Court should be made the Chief Justice.
02:00It is also written in the letter that it is also necessary to give reasons to bring a judge
02:03from the second High Court.
02:05It was also raised in the letter that how can the continuing seniority list be changed
02:09on behalf of Islamabad High Court?
02:12A copy has been sent to the Chief Justice of Sindh High Court, Lahore High Court and
02:16Islamabad High Court.
02:18The situation at the moment is that the bars are already raising objections on this issue.
02:25Before the program, Mr. Salman Akram Raje is present.
02:28The Secretary General of Pakistan Law and Justice will also take legal advice from him.
02:31But quickly, with your permission, if we talk to Mr. Riyasat Ali Azad, who has joined us,
02:35the President of the Islamabad High Court Bar Association, and take his reaction to this
02:39letter, then the conversation will move forward.
02:41As-salamu alaykum, Mr. Riyasat.
02:42Can you hear me?
02:43As-salamu alaykum.
02:44How much weight do you see in this letter?
02:46This letter has come to the public view of the five judges of the Islamabad High Court.
02:51Not all of them are present.
02:53We saw that some names are not even included.
02:56So, this is of the same level as we were seeing that there was an agreement in the last letter.
03:02Maybe that is not in it.
03:04But do you see its weight or is it still there?
03:08Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
03:10Maria, this is not the case.
03:12All the judges of the High Court Bar are on the same page with regards to this.
03:17And they have expressed their reservations.
03:19I have also had a meeting with them.
03:21And all the judges of the Islamabad High Court are getting this concern.
03:26And I think that we have also expressed our reservations on this.
03:30Maria, the reason for this is one.
03:32Look, there should be one law in Pakistan.
03:35Give me one example.
03:37If a judge has been appointed in Sindh, Balochistan or Punjab.
03:43If he has been picked up from the High Court of some other province.
03:46We do not get such examples.
03:48The second thing is that you have made the 26th amendment.
03:52On which we are still shouting.
03:54There is also an All Pakistan Lawyer Convention in Lahore.
03:58You have buried the principle of seniority.
04:03We say that you have made the 26th amendment.
04:06You have to accept it.
04:08It has been held that the Chief Justice will be appointed from among the most senior judges.
04:14Now tell me, what is wrong with these judges?
04:17They are incompetent.
04:19It is their sin that they wrote that letter.
04:21The six judges.
04:23It is their sin that they talk about law and order.
04:26It is their sin that they are free people.
04:28The other side says that there is no tradition.
04:33This is true.
04:34But is there no legal basis?
04:36Is this also true?
04:38The other side says that the law does not stop.
04:40The law does not stop.
04:41If there is no tradition, it does not mean that it can never happen.
04:45Look, Maria, the intention and the methodology matter a lot.
04:50If you are doing such a transfer posting.
04:53Is it with Mela FIT or Bona FIT?
04:56You want to bring the serial number on the 15th from Lahore to the seniority judges.
05:02The cannons they have fired there for justice.
05:06In Lahore High Court.
05:08And the justice that could not be given there.
05:10There is a lack of it in Islamabad and they want to give it.
05:13I think it is like this.
05:15Because it is based on Mela FIT.
05:17And it is on the basis of maneuvering the courts.
05:20And then it is necessary to have meaningful consultation in it.
05:24Like the Al-Jihad Trust was held.
05:27Versus the Federation of Pakistan.
05:29Which is the judgment of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
05:31Maria, this is not the case.
05:33Tell me.
05:34You want to bring the judge from outside the Islamabad High Court.
05:38This is the capital.
05:41Wouldn't it be hateful?
05:43Towards Punjab.
05:45You want to make the Islamabad High Court inheritance.
05:48You want to bring your will in it.
05:50Why do you want to bring it?
05:52If they are incompetent.
05:54Then send them home through the Supreme Judicial Council.
05:57So that you have a reason.
05:59A justification.
06:00Why are we bringing the judge from outside?
06:02Now you have said this.
06:04Don't give much ideas to the government.
06:06That they start acting on your advice.
06:08Thank you very much.
06:09Riyazat Ali Azad.
06:10Thank you for coming to the program.
06:13By the way, we invited you.
06:15To talk about the negotiation process.
06:17But before that, this news came out.
06:19Legally.
06:20You talked about justified and unjustified.
06:22Riyazat Ali Azad.
06:24There is also a legal issue.
06:26Can't you bring the judge from somewhere else?
06:28In some other High Court.
06:30And even if they come on the seniority principle.
06:32Can't you elevate them and make them Chief Justice?
06:34What does the constitution say about this?
06:36Look, there are two things in this.
06:38The whole constitution is on some scale.
06:40The constitution is not just a piece of paper.
06:42On which black words are written.
06:44There is a value system in the constitution.
06:46Now it is visible.
06:48The constitution is a system.
06:50It has lost its mental balance.
06:52There is so much fear.
06:54That in a judge.
06:56In a High Court.
06:58Such a person should not be Chief Justice.
07:00Who does not fix the case according to his orders.
07:02Avoid cases.
07:04The work he has to give to the judges.
07:06He does not give according to his will.
07:08So this is a whole effort.
07:10To control justice.
07:12It was done through the 26th amendment.
07:14Now in Islamabad High Court.
07:16This judge.
07:18We know in the past.
07:20He has shown courage.
07:22He has shown that he is impartial.
07:24He has shown.
07:26That he has the power in his body.
07:28To tell Jabir that you are forcing.
07:30Now to remove them from the way.
07:32This is absolutely clear.
07:34And there is no reason.
07:36But the Chief Justice.
07:38Has to deal with administrative matters.
07:40There is no need for much philosophy.
07:42To say that.
07:44You will not be Chief Justice.
07:46We are from outside.
07:48We will bring someone.
07:50To make Chief Justice.
07:52This is an announcement.
07:54That we need a reliable High Court.
07:56That's why we are bringing.
07:58Your question is.
08:00Can this be done legally?
08:02When the law is made.
08:04There is a reason.
08:06You think there is a shortage in the High Court.
08:08And you are not getting a judge for some reason.
08:10Not being able to apply.
08:12Two new judges have been appointed in Islamabad.
08:14And in Lahore.
08:16As it is written in this letter.
08:1840% of the facilities are vacant there.
08:20So to bring a judge from there.
08:22To increase the facilities there.
08:24I don't understand this at all.
08:26And now this whole matter.
08:28Chief Justice of Pakistan.
08:30Or in the hands of Mr. Afridi.
08:32If he does not agree.
08:34Then this will not happen.
08:36The President of Pakistan has also been made a team.
08:38This is interesting.
08:40What do you think?
08:42The President of Pakistan has also been addressed in this.
08:44Why not?
08:46Because this matter.
08:48The President of Pakistan has to initiate.
08:50He has to consult.
08:52With the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
08:54With both the Chief Justices.
08:56In whose courts there will be exchanges.
08:58From Lahore High Court.
09:00If you want to come to Islamabad.
09:02You will have to talk to the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court.
09:04You will have to talk to the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.
09:06He has addressed everyone.
09:08That all of you.
09:10The character of the law.
09:12Keep them.
09:14Which is a plan.
09:16Not to become a part of a High Court.
09:18Are you looking at something different from the previous letter?
09:20Or do you have any other speculation?
09:22Look.
09:24It is relatively easy.
09:26In the last letter.
09:28It was that an investigation should be done.
09:30Who was doing this?
09:32We know who was doing it.
09:34But anyway.
09:36What should we do?
09:38In such a situation.
09:40When we have high status in our homes.
09:42But here.
09:44The Chief Justice of Pakistan.
09:46Or the other two Chief Justices.
09:48Who are involved in this matter.
09:50If they refuse.
09:52Then the matter will stop.
09:54They have to refuse.
09:56They have to say.
09:58That we will not let the honour of our institution be diminished.
10:00It is a relatively simple matter.
10:02And less controversial.
10:04Look.
10:06I don't know if it is controversial or not.
10:08But it is easy to do it.
10:10You just have to refuse.
10:12Let's come to the negotiation process.
10:14As the Secretary General of Pakistan.
10:16The Minister of Justice.
10:18He is saying that he will form a Parliamentary Committee.
10:20Don't you consider his offer sincere?
10:22Not at all.
10:24Look.
10:26It was also said.
10:28That we will start from 2014.
10:30Or from 2008.
10:32Tomorrow someone will say.
10:34You start from 1954.
10:36Why was the assembly of Tameez-ud-Din launched?
10:38What we have said.
10:40That you have mocked us.
10:42After the 9th.
10:44By saying that we are corrupt.
10:46So let's see.
10:48Get it checked by a good side commission.
10:50Get an investigation done.
10:52So that the matter comes to light.
10:54Whoever is at fault.
10:56Similarly.
10:58On 26th November.
11:00We have picked up.
11:02We are filling the wounds of the injured.
11:04We meet them daily.
11:06You say that the bullet did not go.
11:08So let someone investigate it.
11:10So who is better than this.
11:12That there is a non-partisan commission.
11:14On the judges.
11:16On whom both sides agree.
11:18They sit and decide this.
11:20So that we move towards the truth.
11:22But you got upset quickly.
11:24I am saying that on 31st.
11:26You set the deadline for yourself.
11:28You did not honour it yourself.
11:30You would not have been able to govern.
11:32You would have been more exposed.
11:34Someone is still exposed.
11:36But you have set your deadline.
11:38It was not like that.
11:40The deadline was ours.
11:42We changed it ourselves.
11:44There was a reason to change it.
11:46The first deadline is sacred.
11:48The second deadline is not sacred.
11:50We changed the deadline.
11:52After the third session.
11:54We saw that there is no sincerity.
11:56They attacked Hamid Reza's house.
11:58They attacked the Madrasa.
12:00They came on TV.
12:02They started giving statements.
12:04They will not do it.
12:06It cannot be done legally.
12:08Was there a need for all this?
12:10Between the third and the fourth session.
12:12If the attitude of sincerity was adopted.
12:14If the attitude of seriousness was adopted.
12:16It would have remained silent.
12:18We would have done whatever it was in the fourth session.
12:20But they attacked us.
12:22With words and actions.
12:24Civil disobedience.
12:26They are asking us not to send remittances.
12:28They are giving statements.
12:30They are asking us to talk.
12:32No.
12:34After the third session.
12:36No.
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16:08We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:10We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:12We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:14We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:16We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:18We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:20We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:22We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:24We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:26We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:28We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:30We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:32We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:34We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:36We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:38We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:40We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:42We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:44We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:46We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:48We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:50We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:52We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:54We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:56We have seen a new alignment in the party.
16:58We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:00We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:02We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:04We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:06We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:08We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:10We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:12We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:14We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:16We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:18We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:20We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:22We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:24We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:26We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:28We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:30We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:32We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:34We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:36We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:38We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:40We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:42We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:44We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:46We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:48We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:50We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:52We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:54We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:56We have seen a new alignment in the party.
17:58We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:00We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:02We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:04We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:06We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:08We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:10We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:12We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:14We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:16We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:18We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:20We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:22We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:24We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:26We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:28We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:30We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:32We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:34We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:36We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:38We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:40We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:42We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:44We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:46We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:48We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:50We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:52We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:54We have seen a new alignment in the party.
18:56No, I will not say that it is over.
18:58No, I will not say that it is over.
19:00We are in contact.
19:02We will stay in contact.
19:04We will stay in contact.
19:06We will stay in contact.
19:08We will stay in contact.
19:10We will stay in contact.
19:12We will stay in contact.
19:14We will stay in contact.
19:16We will stay in contact.
19:18We will stay in contact.
19:20We will stay in contact.
19:22We will stay in contact.
19:24Mr. Tariq-e-Insan is giving the impression
19:26Mr. Tariq-e-Insan is giving the impression
19:28that backdoor negotiations are also taking place.
19:30Meanwhile, the government says
19:32that according to them,
19:34there is no backdoor.
19:36Negotiations are far away.
19:38Meanwhile, the government says
19:40that there are no backdoor negotiations.
19:42Meanwhile, the government says
19:44that there are no backdoor negotiations.
19:46Please note this.
19:48As long as the leadership of the current
19:50establishment is there,
19:52there will be negotiations through the front door
19:54and not through the backdoor.
19:56This is their wish.
19:58This is their dream.
20:00But the people of Islamabad
20:02who are my sources
20:04tell me that there is no such thing.
20:06There was no negotiation with them
20:08from any other institution
20:10and neither did they accept it.
20:12and neither did they accept it.
20:14Our panel is very interested
20:16in the topic of the program.
20:18We have invited Mr. Zubair,
20:20who has been associated with PMLN.
20:22Especially when there were negotiations
20:24and conversations,
20:26Mr. Nawaz Sharif had to leave the country.
20:28Mr. Zubair played a key role
20:30in creating the space for his politics.
20:32We also have Mr. Fawad Chaudhry
20:34who was the government minister at that time.
20:36Does the government always remain
20:38unaware of such things?
20:40Do negotiations take place through the backdoor?
20:42Does the government know about such things?
20:44Does the government know about such things?
20:46Does the government know about such things?
20:48Mr. Zubair, let's start with you.
20:50The government is saying that
20:52there are no backdoor negotiations.
20:54Are they right?
20:56Or do they not know about it?
20:58Or are they giving a political spin
21:00to the whole matter?
21:02What do you think?
21:04As somebody who was in the heart
21:06of those negotiations
21:08and the government at that time
21:10claimed that they were ignorant.
21:12Do you think the government is ignorant
21:14or do they know?
21:16According to me,
21:18there is an assessment
21:20of 100%.
21:22There are 100% negotiations
21:24through the backdoor
21:26with the establishment of PTI.
21:28It is my assessment.
21:30The government must also know
21:32that there are negotiations.
21:34But the government will definitely
21:36try to give an impression
21:38that there is no such thing.
21:40Because the government wants
21:42to give an impression that
21:44PTI is a battlefield
21:46and there is no possibility
21:48of negotiations.
21:50There is no space from the establishment
21:52towards PTI.
21:54It is obvious that
21:56the government's narrative
21:58is good that PTI should forget
22:00that such a thing is going to happen.
22:02The PMLN will also give
22:04such an impression to its supporters.
22:06But my impression is
22:08that there will definitely be negotiations.
22:10I am not saying that
22:12there will be a breakthrough.
22:14Because I think that
22:16there is a lot of intensity
22:18and distance between PTI
22:20especially between Imran Khan
22:22and the establishment.
22:24Till the time Imran Khan
22:26remains that popular
22:28and his popularity
22:30is increasing,
22:32if there is a lack
22:34then there can be a chance
22:36of a breakthrough.
22:38From personal experience,
22:40do you think that
22:42the government was aware
22:44of the conversations
22:46between you and Nawaz Sharif?
22:52As far as I know,
22:54there is one thing
22:56that I can't reveal
22:58because it is confidential.
23:00But when I was
23:02sitting there,
23:04I got a phone call
23:06from an important
23:08person.
23:10At that time,
23:12the General said
23:14to his staff officer
23:16that I am
23:18having a conversation.
23:20Later, the General
23:22told me that
23:24the Prime Minister also said
23:26that why do you get involved
23:28in such things.
23:30Mr. Fawad, let's flip
23:32the conversation.
23:34Tariq-e-Insaaf is claiming
23:36that there is no question
23:38of any contact.
23:40What is your take on this?
23:42Mr. Zubair said that
23:44he is almost 100% sure
23:46that a door is always open.
23:48What is your take on this?
23:50Well,
23:52there have been
23:54a few meetings.
23:56It is obvious that
23:58there was a conversation
24:00on the back door.
24:02But since I had
24:04such conversations,
24:06my impression is that
24:08Imran Khan will not
24:10back down.
24:12He is very firm
24:14in his stand.
24:16Mr. Zubair is right
24:18that the real issue is
24:20that Imran Khan is so popular
24:22at the moment that
24:24he has a fear
24:26that if he comes out,
24:28God knows what he will do.
24:30Because of this,
24:32I don't know
24:34if he will succeed.
24:36The truth is that
24:38there is no
24:40PTI structure
24:42that can enable
24:44such a situation.
24:46And Imran Khan
24:48is in jail.
24:50So, he needs relevant
24:52information, advice
24:54and a strategy.
24:56All these three things
24:58are not present
25:00on his table.
25:02And Imran Khan will not
25:04give such an impression
25:06that he will become
25:08Shahbaz Sharif.
25:10But,
25:12if I am the government
25:14or the establishment,
25:16there will be a desire
25:18that if Imran Khan
25:20comes out of the country,
25:22there will be stability
25:24and he will be free.
25:26This is the best case scenario
25:28for Imran Khan.
25:30This is what has happened
25:32in Pakistan.
25:34Earlier, Nawaz Sharif
25:36used to go out of the country
25:38and the government used to
25:40support him.
25:42Now, Imran Khan is out of the
25:44syllabus.
25:46He is not ready to
25:48step back.
25:50He wants an election.
25:52I think that
25:54there will be an election.
25:56It is like
25:58the commission
26:00and the release of prisoners.
26:02Everything falls on one point
26:04and that is a new election.
26:06Now, there can be a bargain
26:08that Imran Khan
26:10will give a few months
26:12for the new election.
26:14It can be 14 months,
26:16it can be 12 months,
26:18it can be 8 months.
26:20Now, this is the only situation
26:22on which there is a deal.
26:24You are talking about a deal.
26:26Who will be the guarantor
26:28and arbitrator?
26:30The problem is that
26:32there is a trust deficit.
26:34Even if there is an agreement
26:36on something,
26:38there is no trust.
26:40What is the need of a guarantor?
26:42What is the need of a guarantor?
26:44It is simple.
26:46You made an agreement
26:48with the government
26:50and they met.
26:52You made an agreement
26:54that political prisoners
26:56will be released
26:58and we will have an election
27:00in a month.
27:02Before that,
27:04a new chief election commissioner
27:06will come,
27:08a new amendment
27:10will be made
27:12and we will move forward
27:14like this.
27:16I don't understand
27:18if the government
27:20doesn't follow this
27:22after 6 months.
27:24Mr. Zubair, I want to bring you
27:26in this discussion.
27:28It is not possible.
27:30The implementation is
27:32in the hands of Imran Khan
27:34and not the government.
27:36I think any agreement
27:38made public is enough.
27:40Mr. Zubair, do you think
27:42that if an agreement is made
27:44public, we don't need
27:46a guarantor?
27:48If the government gives
27:50time to the government,
27:52it should stick to it.
27:54If the government gives
27:56guarantees for elections,
27:58it should stick to it.
28:00How is the government's
28:02attitude now?
28:06I agree with
28:08most of the things
28:10of Fawad Chaudhary.
28:12But I don't agree
28:14that there is no need
28:16for a guarantor.
28:18It is not difficult
28:20to back out the government.
28:22Why would the government
28:24put its head forward
28:26to ensure free and fair
28:28elections,
28:30a new election commission
28:32and everything else?
28:34Why would the government
28:36put its head forward
28:38and ask for a guarantor?
28:40Why would the establishment
28:42do it?
28:44I am not saying
28:46that they are satisfied
28:48and they don't care
28:50about Imran Khan's popularity
28:52or political instability
28:54which is not leading
28:56to the kind of economic revival
28:58that the government wants.
29:00The international community
29:02wants to see a positive change
29:04in Pakistan.
29:06All the government actions
29:08of the establishment,
29:10be it in the judiciary
29:12or in the judiciary
29:14have been taken
29:16into consideration.
29:18How can the government
29:20facilitate
29:22a new election
29:24in which they
29:26have their own seat?
29:28I don't think
29:30that such a thing
29:32is going to happen.
29:34How much pressure
29:36can there be
29:38without a guarantor?
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