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00:00If I lose my current speed, I'll retire.
00:04It's no fun.
00:07Tadao Ando is a Japanese architect.
00:11He was born in Osaka and grew up there.
00:15He always surprises people with innovative ideas.
00:19He is still making his name known from Osaka to the world.
00:25100 years of his life.
00:27He lives his youth like an unripe apple.
00:31Mr. Ando, who has a life of his own,
00:34talks to top runners from all over the world.
00:37Tadao Ando's Youth Talk.
00:41This week's guest is Toru Hashimoto.
00:46It's a huge apple.
00:49Even from a distance, it's huge.
00:52It's a very interesting structure.
00:59Mr. Ando and his friends talk to each other.
01:01They send a message of encouragement to those living in their 100 years of life.
01:07Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:22Grand Green Osaka
01:26Grand Green Osaka opened in the middle of the city last September in front of JR Osaka Station.
01:35A large green park was built here, which is said to be the last city in Kansai.
01:43Mr. Ando will talk about new city planning with his cultural device, VS.
01:52Tadao Ando's Youth Talk
01:57In 2008, I had a meeting with Mr. Sakai.
02:06Mr. Sakai told me to make Mr. Hashimoto the governor and make the Midosuji Parade more grand.
02:14Mr. Hashimoto said,
02:16If I win, I will quit the Midosuji Parade.
02:25I thought it was amazing.
02:27He said it was interesting and I wanted to do it.
02:32It's a good start.
02:35Mr. Sakai supported me with a challenge that I had never done before.
02:45I became the mayor and Mr. Matsui became the governor.
02:49Mr. Sakai and I talked about Osaka Banpaku.
02:57At that time, the Tokyo Olympics were decided in 2020.
03:01I thought that the Tokyo Olympics and Osaka Banpaku would be one set.
03:06In the same way as the Tokyo Olympics in 1964 and the Osaka Banpaku in 1970,
03:11Mr. Matsui said that he wanted to make the Tokyo Olympics and Osaka Banpaku one set.
03:17At that time, no one was interested in Osaka Banpaku.
03:23Gradually, people in Osaka announced the change of Osaka Castle, Tennoji Park, and Umekita.
03:33Mr. Matsui told me to do Osaka Banpaku while I felt it.
03:37That was this year.
03:42Mr. Sakai said that he understood me because I supported him from afar.
03:51Of course, there are many people who are against it.
03:55For example, that huge ring.
03:59Even if you look at it from afar, it's huge.
04:05There are people who are against it even among architects.
04:10But I think it's a very interesting structure.
04:16It's not just a structure, it's a huge structure.
04:29I've been using this Grand Green for hundreds of millions of yen.
04:33If you ask me if it's useless, no one will say it's useless.
04:38I don't think I'll get tired of making cities all over Japan in three years.
04:43I don't get tired of it.
04:45It's getting bigger and bigger.
04:47If I dare to criticize Tokyo, I think I'll get tired of making cities that are salt-free.
04:54It's like the skyscrapers are crowded.
04:57Bankpaku also cost 3.5 billion yen.
05:02It's purely an investment.
05:05If various technologies and people from all over the world come together and mix them,
05:12if various value-added new things are created,
05:15Bankpaku will cost 2.3 billion to 3 trillion yen.
05:24I think it's a plus for Osaka and Kansai.
05:29I don't understand whether Japan is stagnating or investing.
05:37In 1978, Japan was about a month ahead of the United States in terms of economic power.
05:45Overwhelmingly, people from all over the world were against Japan.
05:50Japan is now in the 30th place.
05:53Japanese people don't realize that.
05:56They want to go bolder.
05:58Mr. Sakai, you said you were going to build a pool in Dotonbori.
06:03I've been listening to you for a long time.
06:05In the end, I couldn't do it.
06:08Mr. Sakai, you were serious about working for people around you.
06:13You didn't go to the end.
06:15Now, the water in Dotonbori is getting cleaner.
06:19I don't know if we'll be able to realize Mr. Sakai's wish in the future.
06:25The Dotonbori pool.
06:27Mr. Sakai's idea is very Osaka-like.
06:33It's something you can't say in Tokyo.
06:38Mr. Hashimoto came to me in 2009.
06:42He said,
06:44Let's swim in the river in Nakano Island.
06:48I said, Are you okay?
06:51I said, I can't swim.
06:56I said, Mr. Hashimoto, you'll be able to swim.
06:59I don't know if I can swim now.
07:03I don't recommend it, but it's pretty clean.
07:06It's clean.
07:08When that was done,
07:10Mr. Shintaro Ichihara came to see me.
07:13He said, Mr. Ando, the Sumida River is like this.
07:16He said, Let's make the Sumida River like this on the river in Nakano Island.
07:22People come to Sumida River.
07:25He was a very considerate person.
07:32When I arrived in Osaka in 2008,
07:34Osaka, the capital of water, was launched.
07:38Mr. Ando and other people from the economic community were on the boat.
07:43I think there was a ferry.
07:46But I felt it was pitch black.
07:50At night.
07:52Even if it's a sweet Osaka, it's not interesting at all.
07:57I'm glad to hear that.
07:59I went back to the office and asked them to light it up.
08:05I was against it.
08:07What are you going to do with the light on the bridge?
08:11What are you going to do with the light on the bridge of Hanshin Expressway?
08:14Anyway, I told them to make it beautiful and bright.
08:18I lit it up.
08:20This was also done with the help of various people.
08:23The building started to face the river.
08:26There was a terrace over there.
08:28Until then, the back of the building was the river.
08:32The front door of the building was facing the river.
08:36It was the same in Dotonbori.
08:38There were many restaurants.
08:40It was the first sweet Osaka.
08:43The boat was bustling.
08:45It was interesting, exciting, and lively.
08:48I think that's what made me where I am now.
08:53I'll have to call Mr. Sakagaya and show him again.
08:57I want you to see that.
08:59I can't do that politically.
09:03I couldn't do it because there were various laws.
09:07If you use the TOC system and do it with the special treatment system only in Osaka,
09:12Sumidagawa will apply the system nationwide.
09:16Sumidagawa is also doing it now.
09:19The way to make a city in Osaka is
09:24to imitate Tokyo in Osaka.
09:29The park that spreads all over the country should be a profitable place.
09:34Urban development centered on green.
09:38Making a river terrace.
09:41I think it's a very proud thing to make a city like that in Osaka.
09:47When I was trying to make a park like this,
09:53the mayor, the governor, and the people involved had to oppose it.
09:59We didn't say anything.
10:03The people who opposed it said it was amazing.
10:11I think the answer was to stop it if you input the story of Grand Green into the AI.
10:20But in the end, it's human power to go beyond that.
10:25If it wasn't green, it would have been the worst.
10:30At first, it was an idea to fill this place with skyscrapers.
10:35It's all green, but there's a top-of-the-line station down here.
10:41It's a straight line to Kansai International Airport.
10:44Please continue to bring Ando-san to the city of Osaka.
10:49I wonder if I can still breathe.
10:52Next week's guest is data scientist Hiroaki Miyata.
10:57Miyata-san's face is coming to life.
11:01Really?
11:03The Ando Tadao store will be held this spring.
11:07It's an exhibition where you can see the vision of the future from the miracle of challenge from Osaka to the world.
11:14Tickets are on sale.