En LAM, Ángel y las angelitas discutieron sobre la falta de participación de Carlos en GH, a quien se le acusó de ser una "planta" en el programa. Además, se abordó la importancia de la representación LGBTQ+, con Luciana siendo instada a ser más activa en su papel como representante de esa comunidad. La conversación también tocó temas personales, como la relación de Carlos con su hijo gay y su apoyo a la comunidad, y la doble vida que mantuvo durante 20 años.
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00:00I ask Carlos to eliminate the genie.
00:02What's your name, Carlos? Welcome.
00:04Welcome, Alain.
00:06Don't call me genie, because I'm going to kill you anyway.
00:08It doesn't matter, kill me.
00:10She said, I'm going to kill Carlos.
00:12Why did you want to kill him?
00:14He's very nice.
00:16Don't you like him?
00:18No, it's not that I don't like him.
00:20I think he's a person who doesn't play anything.
00:22I think that, apart from being a plant,
00:24beyond being a plant,
00:26cactus, pothos, whatever,
00:28if we saw you there, we couldn't believe
00:30that the only thing you did was clean your pothos.
00:32I didn't clean my pothos, I burned it.
00:34I was doing the barbecue
00:36and a ember jumped on me and I got burned.
00:38What an interesting content.
00:40At least it's a barbecue.
00:42The pothos got burned, what do you want me to do?
00:44I'm sorry, I'm going to sell it.
00:46No, no, no.
00:50No, I'm sorry.
00:52You were a good plant.
00:54There are plants that win and there are plants that don't.
00:56No, I didn't win.
00:58Can I tell you a little bit?
01:00I'll tell you how this is.
01:02I wasn't a big brother consumer,
01:04I didn't really consume it.
01:06My fanatic children,
01:08I've gone crazy as a big brother.
01:10Your son is a boss.
01:12A boss, your son, how did they defend you?
01:14Exactly, well, I'm a fanatic.
01:16They started to say, dad, dad, sad big brother,
01:18we want your personality, that you have to come in,
01:20I really had no idea.
01:22Well, the thing is that they made me do the casting,
01:24they made me do the casting,
01:26and here I am.
01:28And well, really, I tell you,
01:30not being a consumer,
01:32I didn't know,
01:34I tried to handle myself,
01:36imagine that I came out tenth.
01:38Yes, the truth is that you lasted a long time.
01:40That's why I tell you, without knowing how to handle myself.
01:42Well, light saved you, sorry.
01:44There was a bit of controversy, right?
01:46Of course, there was that controversy that you had with light,
01:48and that seems to me that it took you out of the plant.
01:50You treat it as a light plant,
01:52but it seems to me that it is the other way around.
01:54I'll explain to you how this is,
01:56because I really,
01:58they told me,
02:00when you come in, be you, be you,
02:02it's me, I'm a calm guy,
02:04but when they look for me,
02:06I show them the teeth.
02:08When I saw the first day, I said, what is this man doing here?
02:10With all these people.
02:12I said, what the hell?
02:14What did you want?
02:16You're going to make your guys kill each other and all that.
02:18That's why they gave me 700 votes,
02:20and I came out first on a negative sign.
02:22Well, what's up? I show up in there,
02:24and well, I'm really like that,
02:26I'm a calm guy.
02:28If they look for me, logically, I have to show them the teeth.
02:30The guys always had a lot of respect for me.
02:32Yes, the truth is that no one ever,
02:34they didn't even fight with me, they didn't even look for me.
02:36The truth is that I was very calm at home,
02:38and well, logically,
02:40people chose the people who play,
02:42the ones who know how to play.
02:44I showed up there, I was in Narnia.
02:46Yes, yes, but the program wasn't for you.
02:48What caught your attention was the double life.
02:50Yes, yes.
02:52How was that double life?
02:54And it was, well, something that I already
02:56explained several times,
02:58totally guilty,
03:00I have nothing to do with it.
03:02Because I say, as an interesting story,
03:04because we always see it in the novel, in the fictions,
03:06but someone who says, I had a double life,
03:08and takes care of it.
03:10A woman, a person like that, I, Bardiel,
03:12an excellent woman,
03:14when I was bad,
03:16I was imposter, she was next to me,
03:18with an iron.
03:20For a bad praxis, now I'm going to ask you that.
03:22Yes, two bad praxis, twelve operations in a year,
03:24and well, twelve screws in the neck,
03:26sixteen screws in the neck,
03:28two anchors, yes, well.
03:30She was very complicated, with an iron next to me.
03:32Where did that go?
03:34Where did they make you the bad praxis?
03:36They made me bad praxis in two places.
03:38Two different places.
03:40Did that take you away from the sport?
03:42Yes, I was directing, I was playing football,
03:44I had already directed before,
03:46but I was going away, because I came with a column problem,
03:48really, I came with a column problem,
03:50this ended up leaving me in a wheelchair,
03:52I couldn't walk anymore.
03:54Well, suddenly I recovered,
03:56the force of will, well.
03:58But now I tell you, well, and I, having a good dance,
04:00you see, the issue was complicated.
04:02The night, the night.
04:04I had everything very close to hand, and well, Bardiel.
04:06And did you start dating one or several women?
04:08No, no.
04:10Because double life is having a parallel family.
04:12Yes, yes, well.
04:14But one thing is infidelity, and another thing is having ...
04:16Two houses.
04:18Or two houses, three.
04:20Did you have another house?
04:22No, no, no.
04:24Another relationship?
04:26We were separated, we slept in separate rooms,
04:28but I tell you, no.
04:30I lived there at home with my children,
04:32which, well, the problem was that too,
04:34very careful with my children, well.
04:36But I tell you ...
04:38In other words, all this took you away from the family at one point?
04:40Obviously, obviously.
04:42Yes, you recomposed with your children, at least.
04:44How?
04:46I am struck by how you recompose such a story
04:48with your children, let's say,
04:50because luckily ...
04:52And my children really ...
04:54How was this process of forgiveness?
04:56Because my children logically do not justify me,
04:58they do not justify me at all,
05:00but well, they understand the situation.
05:02And they accept you as a father?
05:04As a father, they respect me, they love me,
05:06in fact, they have come here,
05:08so well, really with them
05:10the relationship is very good.
05:12Well, more than anything,
05:14I tell you, I want to free her
05:16from all concepts,
05:18because here the only bard was me,
05:20I admit it, total mess.
05:22Do you still live with your children's mother?
05:24What?
05:26Do you still live with your children's mother?
05:28No, no, no more, I'm already with the other person.
05:30Ah, you went with another woman.
05:32With this person you had infidelity.
05:34The second.
05:36Exactly.
05:38How long has it been?
05:40I've been living with them for a year and a half.
05:42Ah, nothing, sorry.
05:44Ah, but then you mean that the story is from now?
05:46No, I had years, so I did not tell you.
05:48I had been coming for a while.
05:50Ah, you kept her for many years.
05:52Don't give him the dates, don't ask him anymore.
05:54No, no, no, I ask because ...
05:56Maybe he separated and then realized
05:58that he wanted to continue there.
06:00But nothing, guys,
06:02you want to understand what I want.
06:04Don't explain so much to me.
06:06Well, nothing, and with respect to the game,
06:08as I was telling you ...
06:10What did you get into, big brother?
06:12I got in because I was going to play.
06:14To play.
06:16Well, although I didn't understand much,
06:18I mean, how was the thing,
06:20I said, well, inside I'm going to handle it.
06:22What happens? I realize now,
06:24just when I leave, that I started to see
06:26people who suddenly
06:28I consider it quite cachivache.
06:30Like who?
06:32Like Sandra.
06:34Like Petrona, for example.
06:36Petrona?
06:38I love Petrona.
06:40What Petrona has ...
06:42Petrona is a bit of a mess,
06:44she goes where the wind goes,
06:46we already know her personality,
06:48she's funny, she must be the owner of all the memes.
06:50But it's a game too.
06:52It's okay, well, logically.
06:54But she tells you, for example,
06:56Hello Carlitos, yes, yes, well,
06:58you're not going to go, I trust you,
07:00it's a game.
07:02But Carlos, did you come into my hand?
07:04Logically, it's fine, it's perfect,
07:06but well, I'm telling you,
07:08now I'm seeing, right?
07:10The issue of the game, really, how it was,
07:12and well ...
07:14And you regretted not having done the same.
07:16Exactly.
07:18In fact, I want to go back,
07:20but already knowing how to play,
07:22and now I'm understanding,
07:24as if I'm starting,
07:26I mean, one day I'm out,
07:28I don't know if it occurred to you to watch videos of reality
07:30on the radio, so as not to waste time
07:32and do like ...
07:34Yes, but it's not the same,
07:36it's not the same to watch videos than to be inside.
07:38No, it's not the same, but you get an idea
07:40of how to play.
07:42Of course, it's not a game,
07:44nor is it to study something for years.
07:46Carlos, and with the story of Luciana,
07:48that I saw, obviously you had,
07:50as you said, with her story,
07:52at some point,
07:54what happens to you?
07:56Maybe there was a moment
07:58where she rejected you from that situation.
08:00No, never. I don't know if you saw the conversation
08:02I had with Luciana.
08:04About your son?
08:06Precisely, I have a son who lives,
08:08and well, he's wrapped in the same flag.
08:10He's gay.
08:12Yes, but one thing is to be gay.
08:14I told Luciana that she had to activate,
08:16because she is representing all those people,
08:18she is representing everyone.
08:20Today the flag is
08:22very high, at the top of the world,
08:24and well, I think
08:26she would have to
08:28activate a little more with respect to that,
08:30show herself a little more.
08:32That is, tell more,
08:34make it more theme, tell more, develop.
08:36I don't know, yesterday was an important day.
08:38No, yesterday was important,
08:40but she was also questioned a lot at the beginning.
08:42She doesn't communicate, she communicates little.
08:44And she doesn't find the moment either.
08:46What?
08:48She doesn't find the moment inside the house.
08:50Maybe she finds it, because for me today
08:52is a very important day.
08:54Yes, and well, with yesterday, more.
08:56With yesterday, with the freezing, I think it added.
08:58You would have to penalize her.
09:00I met Ana,
09:02I met her.
09:04Today I saw her with Verón Lozano.
09:06We were talking for a long time.
09:08And well, the truth is that it is a first agent.
09:10Well, Luciana was told better.
09:12Do you have it in the freezing of yesterday?
09:14Because it was for me, so far, one of the best moments.
09:16The freezings, the truth, are good.
09:18They always generate something.
09:20No, I say at the beginning, everyone was behind
09:22who was the trans, what happens with her.
09:24You, at one point, said, look, if you see her face,
09:26you realize it's her.
09:28I say, there's something about that,
09:30I'm not telling you not to be bothered.
09:32You say it generated rejection, Luciana?
09:34No, no, but I say, sometimes, let's see,
09:36I tell you one thing, I know a lot of trans people.
09:38There are people who do not know, and it may be that,
09:40first, in a measure, it generates a rejection impact.
09:42And it does not mean that you are a bad guy or bad.
09:44It's just that, maybe you never shared
09:46with a person
09:48of those conditions, an environment.
09:50No, but I never had rejection towards her, never.
09:52I even spoke...
09:54You never had comments towards her,
09:56as the youngest you did.
09:58She encouraged, she approached me,
10:00she put me on the microphone.
10:02Sorry, but it's not what you feel,
10:04it's what the others feel.
10:06It's what she feels.
10:08It's the first time she presents herself as a woman
10:10in an environment where she is living.
10:12So, she is the one who is going to show
10:14how she is going to move,
10:16it's not you who are the problem,
10:18it's herself.
10:20She encouraged me, we talked for a while.
10:22She must be afraid,
10:24because she will be afraid of rejection.
10:26Totally.
10:28It's her first steps.
10:30Obviously, that's the problem,
10:32it's not you.
10:34It's her first steps.
10:36Very difficult for her, but look,
10:38today she is at the top, she is very well considered.
10:40So, well, nothing,
10:42she is a goddess.
10:44Everything that is happening to her is happening to her.
10:46Some audios, one for you, Cintia de Alfa,
10:48that I will show you later.
10:50And one for you, from Silvia Suller.
10:52Oh, look at that.
10:54Do you have it, Silvia?
10:56Do you like Carlos? I'm dying, Silvia.
10:58I don't know if she likes him or hates him.
11:00Maybe she doesn't know him.
11:02Did you have a story with Suller?
11:04Did you have a story with Silvia?
11:06No, I don't know, I don't know.
11:08No, I don't know her.
11:10No, I don't know her.
11:12Let's see what Silvia says.
11:14No, no, no.
11:16Hello, Angel. How are you?
11:18Silvia Suller.
11:20Looking at you, as always.
11:22And I think this Carlos Tocco
11:24is minimizing
11:26the double life he had.
11:28It wasn't a short time.
11:30It was 20 years.
11:3220 years of a double life.
11:34And, well,
11:36things I see very badly.
11:38Since he came in,
11:40I wanted him to leave
11:42and luckily he left.
11:44So, well, a kiss for everyone, guys.
11:46I always see you. Bye.
11:4820 years.
11:5020 years of a double life.
11:5420 years is a long time.
11:56Silvia, 20 years.
11:5820 years of a double life.
12:00It seems to her that if she wanted you to leave quickly
12:02because she didn't like your story.
12:04Well, I'm out of here.
12:06Okay, if she didn't like it,
12:08it's totally understandable.
12:10She says you said it was a short time.
12:12No, I never said it was a short time.
12:14I never said it was a short time.
12:16I don't remember how long, really.
12:18But you said it at home.
12:20Don't you remember how long it was?
12:22Calculate, yes.
12:24More or less 18, 20 years.
12:26And for you,
12:28Cintia Alfa.
12:30Oh, I love it.
12:32And tell Cintia Fernandez
12:34that I never have that
12:36drunk accent.
12:38The day of the party,
12:40the only thing that happened
12:42was that I was with a friend of mine
12:44who is a fan to death of Cintia Fernandez.
12:46I came there and we took a picture
12:48of Cintia Fernandez.
12:50We took a picture with
12:52I love her, I want to see her.
12:54It was everything.
12:56I said, Cintia, this is a friend of mine
12:58from Bariloche who wants to meet you.
13:00You turned your face.
13:02You turned your face.
13:04I thought she was a very bad actress.
13:06She wasn't drunk, she was a whore.
13:08For you to be clear.
13:10Second, you didn't do it to me alone,
13:12you did it to a lot of women.
13:14I ask my colleagues who were witnesses
13:16who were at that party.
13:18Matilda, were you at that party?
13:20No, but he did it to all the women.
13:22He wanted to pay homage to Troyes.
13:24Oh yeah?
13:26He took a picture with everyone.
13:28Here with a friend of mine.
13:30You were recording something and he got involved.
13:32The man who lives in me.
13:34He lives in chairs in the shows.
13:36He's a bit like that.
13:38A bit what?
13:40He's a bit like that.
13:42He shows his friends where he is.
13:44He's a bit like that.
13:46He's a youtuber.
13:48He's a bit like that.
13:50He's a bit like that.
13:52It's a shame.
13:54Let's go back to the present.
13:56Not to the past, but to the present.
13:58Because yesterday was one of the best moments
14:00Yes, it's true.
14:18Thank you, big brother.
14:20Good afternoon, big brother.
14:30Hello, boys and girls.
14:32How beautiful you all are.
14:34Beautiful, divine.
14:40Where is my daughter Luciana?
14:42Where is my baby?
14:44Where are you?
14:46Don't move, daughter of my soul.
14:48Don't move.
15:00I missed you so much.
15:04I love you, my baby.
15:12I love you, baby.
15:14I missed you so much.
15:16I missed you so much.
15:18I missed you so much.
15:28I missed you so much.
15:48I missed you so much.
15:54I missed you so much.
16:12Well, so far it's one of the best moments of this year.
16:14Yes, it's true.
16:16And the words generate this kind of situations.
16:18Because 10 weeks have passed, we said?
16:2040 days, 45 days.
16:22Yes, but also today I tell you that
16:24Diego Pocci in Bondi told
16:26that Luciana had been given
16:28the possibility to record a presentation
16:30as Luciana or a presentation
16:32as, let's say, as a man.
16:34As Jorge.
16:36He recorded both, obviously then he made the decision
16:38to present her as Luciana.
16:40But also at the same time the transition
16:42that she never saw herself with her mom
16:44and it's the first time she meets her
16:46and that the mother validates her and tells her daughter
16:48that she enters saying daughter,
16:50sometimes it's hard for the parents to make the change, right?
16:52And also people don't know it,
16:54but I say to gay people,
16:56to trans people, to lesbians,
16:58they kick them out of the house,
17:00they say, you're sick, I kick you in the ass,
17:02and they say, don't come back.
17:04Trans girls today live up to 40 years.
17:06Listen to me, remember, of course,
17:08because the only way of life
17:10they get more easily is prostitution.
17:12But remember that when she faces the camera
17:14for the first time, she says,
17:16I don't know how my family will be taking it
17:18because it's the first time they see me in the transition.
17:20So this is really...
17:22She probably spent these 45 days
17:24thinking about that too, right?
17:26Thinking about that, obviously.
17:28That's why I think it's a big brother thing,
17:30this happened yesterday, right?
17:32And also a detail, the preparation of the family's words
17:34because she had already had an indication
17:36that there was an acceptance
17:38and I think that for a situation as overwhelming
17:40as this, at least she...
17:42A few days ago, Santiago came in
17:44with a few words for everyone
17:46and there the mother and daughter
17:48tell him that everything was fine.
17:50It was still very emotional,
17:52very exciting.
17:54Very true.
17:56Sometimes the freezing is strong.
17:58Imagine this.
18:00It's terrible.
18:02It's the most difficult moment there, right?
18:04Don't touch, don't hug.
18:06Yes, besides, I think it also
18:08turns the person...
18:10I don't want to treat her as a character,
18:12but it turns Luciana into something very important
18:14inside the house.
18:16She validates a lot.
18:18Pepe told us about the presentation.
18:20Let's watch it.
18:22This was the presentation.
18:24I'm from the province of Santa Cruz,
18:26Pico Truncado,
18:28and I've been Luciana Martínez for more than 10 years.
18:32Now I want you to know me
18:34as Luciana Martínez.
18:36I came with my suitcase to Buenos Aires
18:38to do the casting.
18:40I have seven brothers,
18:42two of them were in prison.
18:44Thanks to them, they taught me what is not right.
18:46I'm a dancer,
18:48an image consultant,
18:50I'm an administrative,
18:52a mother of a dog named Teodoro,
18:54and I'm a dance teacher.
18:56Well, I'm in charge of children,
18:58young and adults.
19:00We teach folklore and more.
19:02I'm single, but I feel attracted by many men.
19:04I think I'm going to empathize a lot
19:06with the girls inside the house.
19:08Play, comb our hair,
19:10make up, dance.
19:12I just want to be with my feet on the ground,
19:14flow and be myself.
19:18How many careers does Luciana have?
19:20I'm getting dizzy.
19:22A dancer, an image consultant,
19:24an administrative.
19:26I wanted to ask Carlos if she told you
19:28or told you how she dreamed
19:30it was going to be that moment
19:32Did she tell you at home?
19:34Did she talk to you?
19:36No, no, no.
19:38I don't know.
19:40We didn't talk about
19:42what it would be like
19:44if she crossed her mother,
19:46but surely we all knew
19:48it was going to be very strong.
19:50After the little paper
19:52where it says daughter,
19:54we all started crying.
19:56It was impressive.
19:58There was not a person at the table
20:00who didn't talk about it.
20:02Beyond the reality.
20:04When you have to put it in words.
20:06It's very shocking
20:08because the students
20:10didn't know
20:12about this transition
20:14of Luciana.
20:16For them,
20:18Jorge was their teacher.
20:20And apart from that,
20:22he lives in Santa Cruz
20:24in Pico Truncado,
20:26which is a place of 25,000 inhabitants,
20:28everything is very quiet.
20:30And at the same time,
20:32he decides to tell his story on television.
20:34Because he also hides that part of her
20:36that we will see later.
20:38They also debated yesterday
20:40in the networks
20:42if she should be sanctioned
20:44for her movements.
20:46Diego said that the limit
20:48is if she is obviously born.
20:50It's not like she hugged her mother
20:52and danced.
20:54If she had moved
20:56her head a little
20:58to put her hand on her mother's head.
21:00You have a heart.
21:02I know, but if it's a freeze,
21:04there were movements.
21:06Almost the whole house was excited,
21:08except for the Uruguayan Santi,
21:10who was a robot.
21:12That's the winner.
21:14That's programmed to play.
21:16I don't know if to win,
21:18but to play it's programmed.
21:20I'm too bored.
21:22I like it a lot.
21:24I like it as a player.
21:26I think it was the first
21:28movement in the first week of the house
21:30where everyone criticized him,
21:32where he was a bad word.
21:34He's always alert.
21:36He's a bit sinister.
21:38And Rosina is in love.
21:42Carlos, who do you want to win?
21:44You said there were the Falsos,
21:46the Barriletes.
21:48I would like Luciana to win.
21:50I have a lot of faith in Ulises.
21:52But today I heard you said
21:54you would like Sandra to win.
21:56Sandra?
21:58You're watching another movie.
22:00No, no, no.
22:02I have a lot of faith in Luciana.
22:04Santiago is an excellent player,
22:06but I think the cover is Ulises.
22:08Look, he talks a lot.
22:10He started very high,
22:12then he realized he had to go down
22:14a couple of changes.
22:16He went down, now you can't even hear him.
22:18But at some point...
22:20But that happens in all editions.
22:22You hear him speak,
22:24the speech he has,
22:26he works in politics,
22:28he's very clear.
22:30You realize when he speaks,
22:32we were all sitting there
22:34and he looked us all in the face.
22:36And he exposed others.
22:38He's tremendous.
22:40For me, he's one of the candidates.
22:42Well, let's see how this ends.
22:44There are about five years left.
22:46There are a lot of people left.
22:48Thank you, Carlos, for coming.
22:50It was a pleasure to meet you.
22:52Thank you for being here at LAM.
22:54Give it up for Pepe.
22:56But Pepe, you said he was a horror as a participant.
22:58Why did you applaud him?
23:00You said I was going to kill him.
23:02No, that's Cata.
23:04She sits there and shoots everywhere.
23:06Listen to me, Pepe.
23:08We have...