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00:00Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
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00:14Let's welcome in Dan Dibley, Mark Willard.
00:17This is The Crossover.
00:19Hello.
00:20And nice job yesterday on the Steve Kerr interview.
00:23We ended up playing pretty much all that sound.
00:26I thought it was extremely interesting.
00:29And I texted Dibs in the middle of it with just a, wow, because I did feel like he had
00:35some interesting things to say about where they think this organization is right now,
00:42which I feel is a new piece of news, which essentially begs the question, why did I not
00:48get a text?
00:49You have my number.
00:52That got awkward in a hurry.
00:54Yeah.
00:55Well, you famously didn't want a cookie from him.
00:57I'll tell you what it was.
01:04Dibs had texted me.
01:06So he was only four down on my text list.
01:08I'm probably 133 down as far as like, I don't know.
01:14Have you ever texted just me?
01:17Yes.
01:18Yeah.
01:19I have.
01:20I have.
01:21Okay.
01:22Anyway.
01:23Anyway.
01:24Yeah.
01:25Good.
01:26Good interview with Kerr.
01:28Yeah.
01:29Just so we can move on.
01:30Organizational white flag.
01:32Is that what it felt like yesterday?
01:33No.
01:34What I said was it was an organizational yellow flag.
01:37Like it's caution.
01:38It's a cautionary situation.
01:41As you head to the deadline, you're not going to go for the big swing for the big fish.
01:45And you may not go for the medium swing for the medium fish.
01:48Although I do think what you said earlier, Stiney, and I'll go ahead and elaborate when
01:52I have your full attention.
01:53Sure.
01:54I think you were mentioning the idea of if you were to acquire somebody at this deadline,
02:00the import of it being a younger player because you have an aging core.
02:06So does it really make sense to bring in Vujovic who I revealed yesterday, guys, which I caught
02:12my partner flat footed when I pointed out that he's actually higher on the all time
02:16points list than Klay Thompson, Nikola Vujovic has scored more points in this league in our
02:22league than Klay Thompson has.
02:25That's a fact.
02:26Well, Draymond has more threes than Larry Bird, so that one is number one for me.
02:30I know, but it's like.
02:31Yeah.
02:32Yeah.
02:33But wow, I would have never thought that.
02:34That's stunning.
02:35He's stunning.
02:36You could dive into basketball reference and probably find all kinds of surprises, but
02:37that's why.
02:38And I do.
02:39And there's some neat ones.
02:40And the three point one is especially poignant.
02:41And Steve Kerr, as you know, is number one all time in three point percentage.
02:45And we all know why.
02:47It's because he got fat during the three years where the three point line was basically like
02:51the college three, including one year where Steve shot 51 percent from three.
02:57And also, Steve barely qualifies in threes attempted.
02:59But that's not the point of this.
03:01The point of this is, I agree with you, Stiney.
03:04It makes more sense to if you're going to make a trade in February here, acquire somebody
03:08who is younger and more athletic, somebody who will be around next year as opposed to
03:15making a big swing for a thirty five year old Jimmy Butler.
03:17I'm also really with you guys, though, where maybe that maybe for some, the more interesting
03:22conversation here is not what they're saying.
03:26It's why no doubt that's been the whole show that that to me is a very and something's
03:33up with her.
03:34And I think it's why you and many others sort of got that white flag vibe, because it's
03:40why like what did you all say to each other behind the scenes that had you collectively
03:47come tell us all this time a campaign almost?
03:50Yeah.
03:51Actually, we're done here.
03:52And, you know, like, let's just start talking about how fun it is to watch Steph and Stiney
03:58use the word.
03:59It was perfect.
04:00It was weird.
04:01Well, and we had BJ's Armstrong earlier today, but it was weird and still, we'll never know
04:06what's said behind the scenes.
04:07But I get it.
04:08If you feel like they got together and when we got no answers, we're not good enough.
04:17But when you've gotten together before, too, if you if you really if you're doing the calculus,
04:22wouldn't you have, you know, what felt like this because this thinks they're you know,
04:26they were done coming into this season as far as wanting to chip.
04:29Did it really take you to get 19 and 20 for you to have that?
04:32I don't know.
04:33You know what?
04:34Take it from.
04:35I don't think we got it.
04:36I don't take it from a human being who has been in the party of last to know on on things
04:41throughout life.
04:42At times, I'll tell you all fair what some of them are.
04:44But anyway, like sometimes you're too close to to a situation.
04:49And when you are the particular in the situation, when you are the person that everyone else
04:54is watching and going, oh, he doesn't know that he's not as good anymore.
04:59I get it.
05:00You might be the last to know.
05:01That's a pretty hard pill to swallow.
05:05And when you start twelve and three, it's easy to look at that with a win over OKC and
05:09a win over Boston.
05:10You look at that and you think, you know what?
05:12Maybe we still have action in this West, in this season.
05:16And it's funny because I listen to the whole B.J. Armstrong.
05:19It was a classic driveway moment when something is so good on the radio.
05:23You stay in your driveway.
05:24I was at BART.
05:25So not really my driveway, but listening to you.
05:28And actually, I got to the point where you guys had dinner and I almost turned it off.
05:31But I was fascinated by you and I was fascinated by your body.
05:35Well, that actually hit me, too, like I've known standing for 17 years and not once as
05:40he told me he loves me.
05:41At least he texts you.
05:44Just listening to B.J. talk about how the way dynasties end and how they always end
05:50and they always end a certain way.
05:52He's right.
05:53But I just didn't think that it would be this sudden and this year.
05:57I thought maybe it would be OK next year or the year after the chef is thirty nine and
06:01all the rest of it.
06:02It feels like this is happening more abruptly than what many people thought.
06:06And maybe I'm the only one in the room that thinks Steph Curry has more left and I don't
06:10want to speak for you because I think he has something left.
06:13Michael didn't get the opportunity.
06:15Magic was dealing with the HIV like dynasties in when the main guy is is really done.
06:23And I just don't feel that way with Steph.
06:25So and maybe Willard, I'm late to the party, Stiney.
06:28Maybe the dynasties over.
06:30But when you have the same players and, you know, the number ones, I'm still thinking
06:35you got action.
06:36And if we're going to go back to back years and I know we're not there yet of this team
06:41not making the playoffs.
06:42It's not just a Bay Area.
06:44It's TV.
06:45Everybody's mad that Steph Curry is not going to be performing in May and June in the playoffs.
06:51Like that's not good for anybody.
06:53NBA related.
06:54And I'm just looking at every day of my own life.
06:57But man, nobody wants that to happen.
07:03What do you mean?
07:05Networks don't want that to happen.
07:07Oh, but if they're not good enough, they're not good enough.
07:09Like they're either going to make the playoffs or not.
07:13Right.
07:14And that's why fundamentally, I just said to you and Willard, you guys weren't listening.
07:17I get what Stiney saying and anybody about the attrition of Steph and the separation
07:22and just getting older.
07:25But the bottom line is what's around him is so dire that it makes his slippage become
07:31more of an issue.
07:34And that's why it's not go get a new Steph, but can we get something better to help Steph?
07:40That's all.
07:41Well, what if I said this, though, because I do hear and I heard a lot of callers on
07:44your show today start talking about and this is natural.
07:48I think you go back in time and start looking at the spots where the Warriors could have
07:52done better.
07:53Right.
07:54Because Steve Kerr said it yesterday.
07:55This is no fault of anyone.
07:58Right.
07:59And I bet there's some people like, wait a minute, Wiseman and Draymond and he punched.
08:04Sure.
08:05You can point to all the little missteps.
08:07Here's where my mind went.
08:08What if I asked all of you, what's the decision?
08:11Go back five years, if you would like anywhere in the last five years.
08:15What's the decision the Warriors made that you would have made differently at the time?
08:20And we have hindsight drafting James Wise.
08:24OK, no.
08:25But at the time, did you not want James Wiseman then?
08:28You wanted LaMelo Ball?
08:29No, I wanted his family was considered like a problem.
08:32I love that.
08:34The best basketball player should have been drafted.
08:36And did you think at that time that that person was not James?
08:40Yes.
08:41You did?
08:42Yeah.
08:43OK, then to me, if you if you had that insight, I'm being real.
08:45Yeah, I agree.
08:46I have no way of knowing.
08:47I have no reason to think you're like if that was your thought at the time, then I think
08:51that that's a fair thing to do.
08:54I don't look at any decision they made in the moment it was being made and really think,
09:00boy, I was screaming from the mountaintops.
09:03Don't do that.
09:04In other words, when I look at now, there are things about the Warriors development
09:09process of young players that have frustrated people.
09:13But I understand why they did that.
09:15Like they probably have the title three years ago because they slowed young player development.
09:23And then the following year where you could argue, oh, you should have gone more in on
09:28Kaminga or you should have gone away from Draymond the second he punched a teammate.
09:34Yeah, but we all thought they were still contenders in that moment.
09:38And they won a playoff series, went to the conference semifinals, took it to game six.
09:42We were all in the same boat that they were in, thinking they were a real competitor.
09:49Only starting last year did it start to look kind of silly.
09:53And that's precisely when they did start to hand the reins over to Jonathan Kaminga or
09:57at least let him play 25, 30 minutes.
09:59And that, to me, is the answer to your question, which is when Draymond punches Poole.
10:04And it was, you know, whatever happened, nobody knew.
10:07Although our colleague, Bonte Hill, told me off the air, he's like, it's worse than just
10:11because I thought it might have been a classic like face wash.
10:13And he's like, or the video came out, right?
10:15I'll never forget that.
10:16Bonte told me.
10:1724 hours.
10:18Remember that?
10:19Friday morning.
10:20He's hearing that it's worse than that.
10:21And I said, OK, maybe it was a slap or whatever.
10:23And then we see the video and then it's ring night.
10:26And you don't suspend Draymond Green.
10:28So that for me, if you want to talk about the one thing, because if you would have appropriately
10:32suspended him and that would have made Jordan Poole feel better, maybe the Jordan Poole
10:37year and that whole exit works out in a different way.
10:40They made the playoffs in that year, though, maybe.
10:43But I still look at even even Jordan Poole now and now shooting better and whatnot.
10:50And there's no way for us to know emotionally what was the effect of the punch or whatever.
10:57I still don't look at him now.
10:58I know the Warriors need bucket getters, but I don't look at that the way he plays basketball
11:03as something that, quote unquote, fits with stuff and what the Warriors do.
11:09It fit when he was off of the bench.
11:12In theory, now you're asking for someone to come in and be a two.
11:16I don't think that's Jordan.
11:18You got no two.
11:19So I mean, I guess it was kind of becoming the two.
11:22But he was and then he wasn't.
11:24And now he's hurt until, you know, the next couple of weeks.
11:26I mean, I'll I'll give you this because you and I were doing the show at the time.
11:31You were among those screaming from the mountaintops at the time.
11:35Like Draymond needs a bigger punishment.
11:37I couldn't go.
11:38Yeah.
11:39Would that have done?
11:40I don't know.
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11:49The one I thought about and I'll admit, like, I can't remember what I was thinking at the
11:54time.
11:55But, you know, the Durant Draymond thing, like, why did Durant have to go?
12:04And now maybe he wanted to go.
12:06Yeah.
12:07But do you think do you think there's something the Warriors could have done to make him stay?
12:12Well, yeah.
12:13I think.
12:14What if the Warriors would have said, look, KD, we'll get him out of here again?
12:19Again, I'm not saying that was an easy decision they blew at the time, but did he leave just
12:24because of Draymond?
12:25It's a great question.
12:27I got to believe he was a factor.
12:29Maybe a factor.
12:30The other thing that I think hit this organization the wrong way was when they won a title.
12:35And they and they extended Wiggins and Poole.
12:39And then we found out later that Klay and Draymond wanted extensions that year.
12:44So I think that was like, why did they extend Poole when he came up, but not Kuminga when
12:52he came up?
12:53I mean, look.
12:54And Poole felt like a no brainer at the time.
12:56Totally.
12:57I mean, remember, he and Wiggins are sitting there yelling, we're going to get a bag.
13:00They knew it was a done deal.
13:02Like I sort of do look at it like this, and this is not to just give everybody a free
13:07pass through the whole experience.
13:09But at a certain point when they win that championship, and you still have Steph, Dray,
13:15and Klay on the team, and they're four time champs, and then you have others who are coming
13:21up and making names.
13:22Jordan Poole.
13:23And Andrew Wiggins.
13:24Okay.
13:25Like that changed his profile that whole year.
13:27When you have all of that and contractual situations on the table for four out of those
13:32five names that we just said, Steph being the only one who was already all locked up
13:36for a while, it does kind of feel like a rock band that just had to break up.
13:41I don't know.
13:42I don't know how.
13:43Like, it's not like the Warriors could just be like, sure, there you go, all four of you.
13:47You all get exactly what you want.
13:49That's not possible.
13:51And that's why I talk about, would you have made a decision differently in that moment?
13:56I would absolutely argue there are very few, if any, Warrior fans who would have advocated
14:03in that moment, at the parade, time to move off Draymond and Klay.
14:10That doesn't feel realistic to me.
14:11No, it came down.
14:12I'm sorry, Stiney.
14:13It came down to where it was extension time, and Draymond reportedly dashed to the owner's
14:18house and got his bag, and then Klay was kind of left holding the bag.
14:23But when it came time for them to get extensions, the Wiggins one was easy because he came in
14:28under market.
14:29And the Poole one I think was easy, too, because it became a tradable piece, Stiney.
14:33The thing about Wiggins now that I look back on that's just kind of wild to me.
14:38So he wins a title, and he's played the best basketball of his career for the longest stretch.
14:45Two months.
14:46And he, like, he was really good.
14:48He had one more year left in his deal, and he took a low ball offer.
14:53Four years and 109.
14:55Or he took a, like, Jimmy Butler right now is 35, and you could say he's making a mistake.
15:03He's walking away from 52.
15:05More than double.
15:06Because he thinks he's going to get more if he opts out.
15:10I think it speaks to who Andrew is more than anything we've ever watched on the court.
15:14I agree.
15:15He was so comfortable, and there's no, nobody's sitting there.
15:18I got the most money I need.
15:20But no one's staring at him being like, dude, go be our dog.
15:25No one would ever, and he knew that.
15:27No one was ever going to ask him to be that.
15:31And sometimes he can be, but it felt, it feels to me like he's only comfortable when
15:37it's like, you're not demanding that of me, right?
15:39Like, I can do it sometimes, but I just feel like so often an NBA player will bet on himself.
15:46And I think he was set to make 33 the following year.
15:50And I remember thinking, gee, he puts together another year like last year, he's going to,
15:56right.
15:57And then he took 26 or 25, and I'm like, wow.
16:00So he, he has a player opt in two years for 30.
16:04And you know, he'll probably, he walks away after that.
16:07I walked away from the game, the Warriors, no retire.
16:10Maybe I got him retiring.
16:12Maybe.
16:13Yeah.
16:14I'm not going to bet against that.
16:15Look, he's different.
16:16He's different.
16:17And nobody's been able to crack the code of getting them.
16:19If you haven't settled with that yet, that's on you.
16:22But it's hurt the team though, Willard.
16:24You could argue that it's helped the team also, right?
16:27Yeah.
16:28That score's 10 to one.
16:30Maybe.
16:31You know, he did it in 2022.
16:32They got the chip.
16:33You would have said he, at that point, he earned a contract.
16:36And then when you need them most.
16:37That's fair.
16:38But couldn't I argue that that role that we want him to step into is largely already taken
16:43on this organization.
16:45You want him to be.
16:46And that would be by who?
16:48Well, Stephan Draymond.
16:50Like if you want him to, right.
16:51He was drafted number one overall.
16:54We're asking that guy to come in and be the face of a franchise.
16:57You don't got to do that here.
17:00And no one's asking you to.
17:01And then on certain nights we want him to be, but it's like, no, that's that job is
17:05taken here.
17:06But to me, it made it more frustrating because you were, let's just say the third name on
17:10the marquee, but basketball talent wise, you were second, but we'll say third.
17:15We're really not asking you to do that much, but just be ultra aggressive.
17:19And that's what hurts when we talk about the enigma, because that's what he is.
17:23Andrew Wiggins, man.
17:24All the talent.
17:25He was the number one pick.
17:26Yeah.
17:27I know why.
17:28But if that guy was really that guy, more nights than not, where would this team be?
17:32He was set to make 33.6 and instead he said, tear it up and give me four years for one
17:38oh nine.
17:39Wow.
17:40I mean, and I think Mark's right about the psychology and I don't know Andrew at all,
17:43but nobody feels to me like he's happier being a wallflower, not making huge money because
17:49if he plays for the 33 and then he goes full Jimmy Butler and wants four and 160 now you're
17:55in the crosshairs.
17:56If you're making that much money, when you guys argue that, that, that is actually the
18:00whole flaw with drafts in sports is you can look when someone's like that, we're like,
18:06cause Wiggins, I don't know how big of an NBA fan everybody is who's, who's listening.
18:10But Wiggins was one of the few people you heard about him well before the NBA draft.
18:14LeBron didn't want him.
18:15We knew about it.
18:16We knew about him before Kansas.
18:18We knew about him in high school.
18:20He was the damn thing.
18:23Maple Jordan.
18:24When somebody has that amount of talent, the only way you can be wrong about him in the
18:29draft is if he's wired a little bit differently than others.
18:34And that's what you can't figure out.
18:37You can't figure out that stuff to me in a draft.
18:40Like you can talk to a guy and then you can sort of think, Oh, we pull it out of him or
18:45whatever, but he's just, he's wired different.
18:49He's completely wired different than all, almost all of his teammates it seems.
18:53Yeah.
18:54I would, I would, I would agree with that.
18:55It feels like he's an old soul who, um, thinks there's more important things in basketball
19:01than life.
19:02Imagine that.
19:03Well, and he's already done pretty well in total career earnings.
19:08So, I mean, he's going to pull through, but to Mark's point, if you look at the number
19:12one overall picks since Wiggins, Carl Anthony Towns, Ben Simmons, Wiggins has had a better
19:18career.
19:19Markel Fultz, you take Wiggins, Deandre Ayton, you take Wiggins, Zion Williamson, you take
19:25Wiggins right now.
19:26As far as career, Anthony Edwards, Edwards trending toward a better career, Cade Cunningham,
19:31I think he's trending toward having a better Paolo Bankaro early.
19:36He's hurt, but he looks like he's going to be a baller.
19:39And then you get Wenbinyama and Risha Shea, who is obviously a rookie now, but this is
19:44the way I think about it as we, we look at like elongating dynasties.
19:50It's almost impossible to do that unless you are the Lakers and you get Kobe Bryant on
19:55a platter because he makes it clear he only wants to play with you and you're the number
19:59one destination.
20:01And the other one is the Spurs.
20:02If you look at how they bridged from Duncan all the way to Kawhi, they hit on their Wiseman.
20:08They didn't draft Kawhi.
20:10They traded for Kawhi.
20:11The Pacers drafted Kawhi and they traded George Hill to the Pacers and they got Kawhi Leonard.
20:19But in the years right after their first title, I was just looking it up.
20:23They drafted Manu Ginobili second round and they drafted Tony Parker in three years.
20:28So if the Warriors would have found those type of players, which I know is a big ask,
20:33then we're talking about different conversations other than 19 and 20.
20:37When was Parker drafted?
20:38Parker was drafted in, I think, 99.
20:40Was he a first rounder?
20:42Oh, no, I'm sorry.
20:43It was Ginobili in 99, the 57th pick.
20:47Tony Parker was the 28th pick, end of the first.
20:51And then after that, they didn't do, I mean, they did get Pino Ujja, but they traded George
20:58Hill for Kawhi Leonard on a draft night trade, which again is, you know, that's what you
21:03do.
21:04Chestnut checkers.
21:06I mean, you've probably all talked to coaches who will say this.
21:09I think the hardest thing, because we could all look at tape and we're doing it right
21:12now.
21:13College football playoff.
21:14You know, you watch Notre Dame play Penn State and everybody's lined up to be like, you see
21:19this guy?
21:20Tyler Warren.
21:21It's like, okay, I can see that.
21:23But what's the dude like?
21:24Do y'all remember Bryce Love at Stanford?
21:27Yeah, the running back.
21:29Fourth lead rusher in the history of Stanford.
21:31He was little though.
21:32Right.
21:34He's incredible, but you could tell in college, he's one that I would argue, he sent signals
21:38to the league because he would talk about like, I want to be a pediatrician and great
21:46football talent.
21:47But it's like, dude, you're not going to last long in the league.
21:51And I think he knew that and he got drafted.
21:54He went to Washington.
21:55Guess how many years he played?
21:57Was it one or zero?
21:58One.
21:59One year gone.
22:00He's an angel investor now.
22:03He's wired like, I think maybe Andrew Wiggins.
22:05Well, and Andrew Luck is the other one because he was sending some signals, but he was so
22:10unbelievably talented that everybody looked beyond it.
22:12But he was clearly a guy who was very smart and had bigger ideas about his life.
22:18And he played, what, seven years and he was tired of getting sacked all the darn time
22:22and he just hung him up.
22:23Yeah.
22:24Thank goodness for Christian McCaffrey or we would just stay away from them, Stanford
22:26dudes.
22:27Yeah.
22:28How about Barry Sanders?
22:29Yeah.
22:30Although if you look, Barry Sanders actually played like 10 years.
22:32He went a long time.
22:33He just happened to retire like 31.
22:35He left when he was still really good.
22:36Yeah.
22:37Yeah.
22:38Not to bring the party down, but I almost got to tears when you guys asked him about
22:44the fires, Coach Kerr, and he said that he Ubered.
22:47His tradition was anytime they went down south to his mom's house, they would have the house
22:52he grew up in and they would have dinner.
22:55And that just hit me like, man, just that's gone.
22:57You know, the house that you grew up in, but that was your thing of no matter what
23:01it was, I'd go see mom's Uber and we'd have dinner.
23:05I was like, man, that hit me in the car.
23:06Yeah.
23:07Can you imagine being him right now?
23:08And I would, I would ask every warrior fan to think about it.
23:11Imagine this, right?
23:12This is all going down.
23:13Your mom has been displaced.
23:16The house you grew up in is gone.
23:18Probably half the people you grew up around, their houses are gone and you haven't even
23:22been able to go visit and you are coaching basketball and people are coming down your
23:27road.
23:28Oh man.
23:29Cause you're lost to the Raptors.
23:30Like that's, and I'm not saying that's wrong.
23:31That's life in pro sports.
23:32That's fine.
23:33But I just like, I'm with you.
23:35Yeah.
23:36He was agitated the other night too when you knew it was probably 90% of this.
23:40You wonder how much of it is this, but yeah, he said that you guys, I said, oh man, life.
23:44I mean, he sounds, he sounded to me in the conversation yesterday, sad.
23:48Yeah.
23:49And, and I get it.
23:50I get it.
23:51Work's not going well.
23:52Personal life's not going well.
23:53I get it.
23:54It's your whole like memories, your town.
23:57It's a, you know, Reading, Pennsylvania, it's union city, it's foster city, it's Fairfax.
24:02Imagine if your entire town is gone.
24:05Like the ice cream shop where you used to go and, and be bop around or the pizzeria
24:09where you used to get a slice and scary, man.
24:11All that.
24:12I mean that.
24:13So it's, it's multiple levels.
24:14It's yeah.
24:15His mom, it's all your friends, how houses, it's the entire town itself.
24:18Like Mark said, not even being able to go there and you know, at least go to your old
24:23house or go see how mom's is doing, you know, give mom a hug.
24:26Yeah.
24:27Yep.
24:28All right.
24:29Chance.
24:30Well, you did a great job with Kerr yesterday and you got Nick Friedel coming in for a whole
24:32hour in the room with us.
24:34It's also co-sell day.
24:36Oh man.
24:37The Niners are not, the Niners are done, but the NFL is not in exactly an hour and exactly
24:42an hour.
24:43And you know, those fireworks come when you never know where that's going to go.
24:47Oh yeah.
24:48Last week he gave me a, that's a good question.
24:50So, uh, I'm right.
24:51I was out there all year.
24:52Dude.
24:53What?
24:54You're not a relationship.
24:55You're not kidding.
24:56Yeah.
24:57I mean, 25 could be different.
24:58It was a high watermark for me.
24:59I'm riding high off that, but which means I'll be coming crashing down to earth here
25:02in an hour.
25:03No doubt.
25:04All right, Chance.
25:05Well, it's all happening right here on 95 seven, the game.