LIVE Mailbag: Who Will Be the Next Patriots OC? | Patriots Daily - video Dailymotion

CLNS Media Sports Network

Taylor Kyles and Mike Kadlick answer your questions about the state of the Patriots coaching staff hunt! Tune in for the latest on the OC and DC search and get your questions answered!  ************************************************ Patriots Content Brought to you by.... 💰 Prize Picks - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CLNS Download the app today and use Code CLNS at PrizePicks.com/CLNS & Get $50 instantly when you play $5!  🎫 Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Terms apply. What time is it? Gametime!  Merch Store - https://shop.clnsmedia.com  Social Media!!!! 🏈 Patriots Twitter- https://twitter.com/patriotsclns 🏈 Patriots Instagram-  https://www.instagram.com/patriotsclns/ 🔵 Facebook- https://facebook.com/clnsmedia 🔵 LinkedIn- https://www.linkedin.com/company/clnsmedia/about/ 💟 Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@clnsmedia ********************************************************* 🏈 ABOUT PATRIOTS COVERAGE ON CLNS: 🏈  Welcome to the CLNS Media Network’s YouTube channel for New England Patriots 🏈 football.  CLNS Media is the leading online provider of audio/video coverage for the 6X Super Bowl Champions.  Get complete inside access to the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro and everywhere on the road. CLNS Patriots credentialed insiders Greg Bedard, Andrew Callahan, Tayler Kyles, John Zannis, Alex Barth and Mike Kadlick provide instantaneous news and analysis all in real time, as well as full access to complete videos from the players, coaches, ownership and everyone else inside Patriots Place.  If you enjoy CLNS’ Celtics 🍀 All Access and are craving more Boston sports content, you head over to CLNS’ Patriots 🏈 Press Pass at  🔴 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqX7G3pEDTseNxtoDU27PEg?sub_confirmations=1 🔴  __________________________________________________________________________ 🍀 For Celtics Content:  🔴  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1 🔴 🔴 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmp3kivpOg3lzoJC7yV7VjQ?sub_confirmations=1 🔴 🏀 🍀 Celtics Twitter - https://twitter.com/CelticsCLNS 📸 🏀 Celtics Instagram - https://instagram.com/celticsCLNS 🔵 Twitter Main- - https://twitter.com/clnsmediaCLNS 📸 Main Instagram - https://instagram.com/clnsmedia ******************************************************* Check out over dozens of sports podcasts from CLNS Media here: https://clnsmedia.com/ OR for all 200 shows, go to https://northstationmedia.com

Transcript

00:00I am joined by Robert Griffin III, James Whitefield, Yates Mena Kimes.

00:08All right, so first play we're going to look at, second and two, one of the Patriots' first

00:11offensive plays.

00:16What's going on, everyone?

00:18Mike Kadlik here.

00:19Taylor Kyle's right here.

00:20Good timing.

00:21I wanted to do the Collinsworth slide.

00:22I was trying.

00:23I was going to say.

00:24That was perfect.

00:25That was perfect Collinsworth slide timing.

00:26I don't know if it was perfect timing, but we are here.

00:29We apologize for the delay and we are here, Taylor, for what is sort of our first feels

00:36like offseason edition of Patriots Daily because the reaction to Vrabel, that still felt like

00:42in-season wrapping up, you know, putting a bow on last year and now we are here.

00:46It is the 2025 offseason for the New England Patriots and as we do and as we will try and

00:52do on Wednesdays throughout this offseason, we're bringing you a mailbag.

00:55So we have a ton of questions loaded up from Twitter.

01:00Feel free to throw them in the comments.

01:01We'll get to as many as possible over the next, you know, half hour, 45 minutes.

01:06Everyone's saying in the chat that it was you that was late and that's why we were late.

01:09No, it's just.

01:10I can't hear you.

01:15Technical difficulties.

01:16I wasn't late.

01:17I just need to work on my slide timing.

01:18That's all.

01:19There you go.

01:20Yeah, exactly.

01:21And we were figuring out those technical difficulties too.

01:22So, but no.

01:23Not to turn these into, obviously, sometimes our pods are all segmented and feel like they're

01:31planned, but mailbag day feels like a conversation and we're going to try and hit all of this

01:35stuff going on with the team.

01:37The title is coaching staff hunt.

01:39The title on the pod and on YouTube is who will be the Patriots next OC.

01:44So I feel like it's necessary that we start there because that's kind of where the talks

01:49are settling in here.

01:50Yeah.

01:51Mike Vrabel spoke with WEI yesterday morning and mentioned that the Patriots were starting

01:57their coaching search yesterday.

01:59He was asked about Josh McDaniels and I've already gotten this, the feel for how Mike

02:04Vrabel does these kinds of things, Taylor.

02:06And he answers questions without really answering them.

02:09He's kind of ace to the Belichick mold of things.

02:12It's perfect.

02:13He was asked about, he was asked by Karen during his initial press conference about

02:19if he's spoken with Drake may.

02:20And he said, yeah, I've spoken with a lot of players and it's like, but you didn't really

02:24answer if you spoke with Drake may, but you kind of did.

02:27So you can take it both ways.

02:28And he did that yesterday with a coach who's wise to the, uh, the media game.

02:34Exactly.

02:35Sure.

02:36I did not recognize your game.

02:38Back to normal.

02:39Exactly.

02:40But, uh, he did the same thing yesterday when asked by Greg Hill, uh, about Josh McDaniels,

02:44he said, is Josh on that list?

02:45And he goes, yes, I have a long list.

02:47And it's like, well, you said yes, but did you mean Josh it's it's good stuff, but it

02:51leaves it up to speculation.

02:52The other thing he said, it's going to take a couple of weeks.

02:55So I ask you, where are you at?

02:58What do you think they should do?

03:00What do you think they will do?

03:02Let's just have an open conversation about the candidates.

03:04Uh, Gabe Pats asked, do we think we're going to, they're going to cast a wide net?

03:07Do you think it's going to move quickly?

03:09Will it be done in a few days?

03:11Um, I will say that from what Vrabel said in general, it sounds like they're going to

03:17take things relatively slow and he mentioned the playoffs.

03:20So that tells me that there's some guys in the playoff cycle that they want to bring

03:23in, not just for OC, but everything.

03:25So, uh, talk about it.

03:27What do you think about OC?

03:28Where do you think they should go with Drake Bay and company?

03:30It definitely sounds like they're trying to go for somebody who's currently in the playoff

03:34race because when answering the questions, I don't think it's insignificant that the

03:39Josh connections, there's two sides of this.

03:44He can't just say, yeah, I love Josh McDaniels.

03:47I really want Josh McDaniels because as much as ownership has tried to make this, you know,

03:54this rebuild 3.0 look like a total sham.

03:59I think that Mike Vrabel understands we can't just be going out here and making it very

04:03obvious that we have certain candidates that we strongly prefer.

04:06So he has been very smart about this and been like, yeah, no, you know, almost like he's

04:11done it before.

04:13What do you know?

04:14Isn't it?

04:15Isn't it?

04:16Uh, and like the drafts have not really had to respect the Rooney rule, but you know,

04:19we're not going to go into that, uh, any snipers around?

04:23No.

04:24Uh, but no, in all seriousness, uh, with the offensive coordinator search, it does sound

04:27like he's looking for somebody who's currently in the playoffs because the way he's kind

04:32of deferred to being like, Hey, we're going to take our time.

04:35Could take a week, could take a few weeks.

04:37And it's like, Oh, you mean like, depending on how long it takes someone to get eliminated

04:41from the playoffs.

04:42Right.

04:43Well, that's kind of a little like ring a ding, ding, kind of a bell right there.

04:46So the names that pop up, obviously Nick Haley is one of them.

04:50Patriots interviewed him last year.

04:52I think Nick Haley understood the situation that the Patriots are maybe in because we

04:55heard so often from reports that came out recently that the Patriots process when they

05:01interviewed offensive coordinators, wasn't terribly impressive.

05:04Um, they land on Alex van Pelt, of course, but he wasn't in a great spot himself having

05:09been fired from, uh, the Browns unceremoniously, obviously really probably didn't deserve

05:14to be fired.

05:15If he does get fired from the Patriots, it's another situation where it feels like he kind

05:18of got the short end of the stick.

05:19Um, but they really stumbled into a guy who wanted another opportunity.

05:24And this year it seems like Mike Vrabel may want somebody who is kind of closer to that

05:30only because he's waiting for these playoff teams to finish.

05:33Maybe somebody from like the McVeigh tree.

05:35So full disclosure, I've tried to been watching tape of, to catch up my, on the Titans defense

05:42and what they look like, uh, the Patriots offense, even with like Josh McDaniels, how

05:46they tried to play against, uh, Mike Vrabel when they played Brady and also how obviously

05:51the Titans played him.

05:53And also I've been trying to get ahead on the senior bowl because newsflash CNS at least

05:58Taylor Taylor's going to be at the senior bowl.

06:01That's going to be a lot of fun.

06:02So I've been trying to get ahead on that as well.

06:04Um, so for the coaching stuff, especially because so much of this is tied to connections,

06:08right?

06:09Like you could go through the entire Titan staff and a lot of people have, and I respect

06:13it, but my priorities have been elsewhere.

06:15So I'm kind of deferring to Mike Reese, who we know is plugged in as anybody has done

06:20a fantastic job.

06:21Um, and he pointed out a couple of names.

06:23Obviously Tommy Reese has been promoted to Brown's offensive coordinator.

06:28Great for him.

06:29Somebody who people thought Mike Vrabel would potentially try to bring to the Patriots.

06:33I thought he was going to come to the Patriots because why would you want to be the offense

06:36coordinator for the Browns when they're quarterback positions completely unsettled, but Hey, Kevin

06:42Stefanski does a great job.

06:44I think he maybe just wants to be another system that he's comfortable in and it's already

06:47been solidified.

06:48Josh McDaniel's obviously at the top of the list.

06:51Another guy, Dave Ragon, uh, first, uh, Tennessee Titans wide receivers coach from 2011 to 2012

06:58was promoted to quarterback's coach in 2013.

07:01So experience with different positions, very important.

07:04He was with the Washington, uh, he was in Washington offensive quality control coach

07:08in 2015, moved on to be the quarterback's coach for the bears from 2016 to 2019 promoted

07:14to passing in coordinator for the bears in 2020, then moved on to be the Falcons offensive

07:20coordinator for 2021 to 2023 under of course, Arthur Smith, who was the offense coordinator

07:25for the Titans.

07:26And then he was the Rams quarterbacks coach from 2024 until the present.

07:32We'll see what happens with him.

07:34Another coach to watch out for Tim Kelly.

07:36Now he was with the Titans as the passing and coordinator back in 2022 was also the

07:42offensive coordinator for the Texans back in 2021 and the offense coordinator and quarterbacks

07:46coach in 2020, pretty extensive history in Houston.

07:50So clearly overlap with both Bill O'Brien and Mike Vrabel.

07:55Offering the passing game coordinator in 2022 to the offensive coordinator in 2023.

08:00Currently he is the giants tight ends coach.

08:03So if Mike Vrabel wants to bring a guy who was already an offensive coordinator in that

08:08Tennessee offense, obviously it wasn't an offense coordinator under him, but could potentially

08:11bring in Tim Kelly.

08:13So those are some names to kind of throw out there.

08:15Defensive coordinators are a little bit more shaky.

08:16I'll come out tomorrow with some of those because they're not quite as clear cut, but

08:20there's a question about the DCs in here too.

08:23We can hit it quick at, uh, but like you said, we'll talk more about that tomorrow

08:27as well.

08:28Exactly.

08:29So really Josh McDaniel still at the top of my list, but if you're talking about familiarity,

08:33Dave Ragon, Tim Kelly seemed like names definitely look out for a couple more.

08:37I'll throw it there.

08:38I mentioned Chad O'Shea originally.

08:39Um, I don't remember if he was the play call.

08:42He must've been the play caller in Miami when he got, he was there as OC under Brian Flores

08:47for a year.

08:48He ended up getting fired.

08:49Um, but he is now, he was now with Cleveland, uh, as a, an assistant there works with Rabel.

08:55He was here for a long time, their wide receivers coach, uh, wouldn't be surprised if they brought

08:58in him, brought him in for at least a discussion on the staff, whether that's OC or not.

09:03Uh, the other name in LA, Mike Lafleur, uh, is their OC right now.

09:08And now that's one where you'd have to give him an upgrade, a title change, or have him

09:15convince McVay.

09:16I want to go here and give him the opportunity to call plays.

09:20Cause right now he doesn't call plays with McVay at the helm.

09:23So I look at this as, um, you know, those, those two Rams guys, Lafleur and Ragon as

09:29two guys who.

09:31That's what makes it sound like that's where they want to go with OC guys in the playoffs.

09:35I would like an experienced play caller, right?

09:38So that's Josh.

09:39That's Tim Kelly.

09:40Ragon as OC in Atlanta, didn't call plays because Arthur Smith was there.

09:45He was a play calling head coach in Atlanta.

09:47So that makes me a little bit hesitant.

09:49I do like his history with quarterbacks.

09:51Um, anyone you will, when anyone that comes in, I either need quarterback development

09:57in their, in their, um, repertoire in their history or a Nick Kaley, along with somebody

10:03who we know can work with quarterbacks and be like an a-plus quarterbacks coach.

10:07Uh, the other thing on, um, and I want to see, well, someone already asked about Ragon.

10:12So that question doesn't really matter.

10:14Cause we just touched on him a little bit.

10:15Um, I'll add this and I'll throw this into this conversation updates about assistant

10:20head coaches or assistant coaches, excuse me, in general, we talked about Brabel's comments

10:25on EEI yesterday about waiting for the playoffs to end.

10:29I rewatched it and re-listened this morning because that's the only bit of on the record

10:33stuff we have from Brabel that we can kind of parse through a nitpick.

10:37He mentioned the playoffs ending before he mentioned Josh McDaniels and OC kind of felt

10:43like he was asked about coordinators in general.

10:46And he mentioned that.

10:47So my mind actually goes to John Stryker, the game management guy.

10:52Uh, they call him stretch.

10:54He was everybody like Taylor Luan is joked about it.

10:58Like everyone's like, yeah, stretch is going to be coming to new England.

11:02Taylor Luan texted stretch right as Brabel got fired and said, congrats on your move

11:06to new England.

11:07And so like, that's one of the ones that tells me they're waiting for LA to get booted so

11:12that variable can go get his guy stretch in here.

11:14So that also goes into that Ram sort of a cycle that I think that has been connected

11:20to the Patriots.

11:21Uh, so that's another name I think of not necessarily an OC, but he's been sort of dubbed

11:26at least on Twitter as variables, Ernie Adams, his sort of inside ear game management helps

11:33him know what to do in certain situations for able mentioned all the analytics stuff

11:37yesterday on EI as well.

11:39So that's one name to look out for.

11:41Um, and then other than that, we'll kind of touch on DCS, um, later in the week, later

11:45in the show, some quick names, maybe Patrick Graham is one, um, Jim Schwartz, he worked

11:51with in Cleveland.

11:52I don't know if it's going to be hard to pry him out of there.

11:54Um, but those are some of the names to think about there.

11:57Um, any other thoughts?

11:58Oh, Brian Hartline's in the question as well.

12:00Brian Hartline, co-offensive coordinator, Ohio state, obviously a solid receivers coach.

12:05Um, Wes Welker's another name.

12:06If Josh came, he just got fired in Miami.

12:09So there's a ton of connections, webs, uh, things to digest and they're all speculation

12:16right now, but I also think it's pretty exciting hearing the type of staff that they could

12:20potentially build here.

12:21Yeah.

12:22I don't think Wes Welker or Brian Hartline are necessarily offensive coordinator hire.

12:26No, no, no, no.

12:27Just assistant coaches.

12:28Yeah.

12:29Yeah.

12:30Assistant coaches for sure.

12:31And Brian Hartline still, that's going to be an interesting one because he's coming

12:34from college, so he wouldn't need a different title.

12:36He would just be able to come on.

12:37Correct.

12:38Whatever you want.

12:39Um, I would love Brian Hartline.

12:40Everything I've ever heard about him from players, they love, love him.

12:44And obviously his track record speaks for itself.

12:46Ohio state's receivers have been excellent.

12:49Excellent.

12:50And I would love that to be this year's version of, you know, Tyler Hughes and Jalen Polk.

12:53You get Brian Hartline as a wide receivers coach and then they can make a book or something

12:57like that.

12:58That'd be fricking sick.

12:59Um, but yeah, it's kind of nice having a head coach who's got connections because you can

13:03actually make these ties.

13:05It doesn't just have to be, you know, uh, the de facto general manager, it can actually

13:09be the head coach of people he's worked with in the past and has relationships with and

13:13trusts and all those things that are very, very nice to have for a new regime.

13:17So, um, with Wes Welker, that would be so cool.

13:21Also what I'm actually, no, I can't really lie.

13:24It's not like Miami's had a bunch of great receivers in recent history.

13:28It's like, well, it's not like, it's not like Wes Welker developed Tyree kill Tyree kill

13:33was already, I don't think Waddle is obviously a very good player, but he was your player

13:37in Alabama as well, but even still having a Welker, if, if Mike Vrabel in their experience

13:43sees like, Hey, this is a way that he can make our guys better.

13:46His experience being in championships, being a part of winning football programs, like,

13:50yeah, that would be awesome.

13:51So being a smart, being a smart, um, a smart player in McDaniel's offense and understanding

13:58where to go and how to read, you know, how to read the defense and what to do, where

14:01like having somebody who's played in that system before certainly helps that cause.

14:05And someone who's had success in it can help the slot can help the outside and understand

14:09what concepts, what you do, where, and things of that nature.

14:12So that is definitely an exciting one.

14:14I want to bring up this from, uh, first of all, commander Ray, we appreciate the super

14:19chat as we always do.

14:20He mentions AVP would AVP stay.

14:24Do you think it's possible?

14:25Could he stay with Josh?

14:27Could he, and that's different systems.

14:28There would be some overlap there, but, um, would you welcome AVP back?

14:34I think I know the answer to that.

14:36Would he come back as a demotion?

14:38Um, I would welcome him back, but as an offensive coordinator, I don't know.

14:45I really don't know.

14:47Um, I think that last season we tolerated a lot of subpar coaching, play calling.

14:58And I think with Alex van Pelt, like it feels rude to say subpar because there were stretches

15:04where when people were doing the right things, the offense looked fine, right?

15:09It's not like this guy was incompetent.

15:10We talk about, Oh, we want all the most forward-thinking play callers and all that, but like, it's like

15:14people wanting, you know, a top 10 quarterback.

15:18There's only so many in the NFL, as much as people want the most cutting edge person.

15:22He got what you got in last year for what the Patriots were, especially in hindsight,

15:27the fact they got somebody like Alex van Pelt is a GD miracle.

15:31He did a really great job with this offense.

15:33I think all things considered, he had a ton of young receivers.

15:36He had a rookie quarterback.

15:37His veteran quarterback couldn't do a whole lot because of his offensive line and the

15:41offensive line kind of kept Alex van Pelt from trying to run the balanced offense.

15:44And I think he had in mind, um, so with all those things considered, I would absolutely

15:51consider Alex van Pelt in some kind of role.

15:54But if Rable has an offensive coordinator that he's comfortable with, that he trusts,

15:59I'm sorry that Alex van Pelt is going to have to take it to motion and he doesn't even need

16:02to take it to motion.

16:04The guy doesn't have to even coach this year.

16:05He can go to the bills, right?

16:07In media.

16:08He's obviously, we loved our press conferences with Alex van Pelt.

16:12He was always transparent.

16:14He said as much as he could without being a headline.

16:17Not once was Alex accountability that was like a headliner on NBC sports, Boston, or

16:22God forbid national media.

16:24You know, he didn't say anything out of pocket.

16:26He told us things that made our job easier, helped us understand better and all those

16:31things.

16:32So he was fantastic.

16:33Um, but at the same time, I just, you know, that's how these things work when you get

16:36a new regime.

16:37Sometimes it just doesn't really fit as well as you'd like.

16:40I hope that Alex and Pelt can find some role on this team because I think him and Hunter

16:44Henry and the tight ends and the veterans and Drake may and Joe Milton, I think they

16:48all worked well together, but you have to be accommodating to the new staff.

16:51So, um, I think our fingers are all crossed at Alex and Pelt, TC McCartney.

16:55Those guys are back, but we have to be open to the idea and the reality that they may

16:59not be.

17:00Yeah.

17:01I'm with you.

17:02I'm with you on the OC search to close out the topic.

17:05Jason in the chat says left, which would be a nice addition.

17:07Maybe he says just not at OC.

17:09He adds relative success at OC in Tampa, but this goes back to the skirting, the Rooney

17:14rule fact finding mission argument of these searches because it wasn't a big deal.

17:21Well, yeah, it's, you wonder what they found out in those conversations and yes, they,

17:30you know, they, they skirted it and it felt like it was really fast.

17:33Now I look at the Dallas Cowboys, uh, head coaching situation as even more malpractice

17:40than the Patriots because they waited so long and now they have no one to talk to.

17:45And it's like, like they waited a week.

17:48They did.

17:49They didn't get their calls in.

17:50They didn't get their interviews in.

17:51And now they're kind of skirting and scrambling.

17:53Um, and not to say that what the Patriots did is any better, but the Patriots rushed

17:57it and got their guy Dallas sat on their hands and now you never know what's going

18:02to happen with them.

18:03So anyway, back to the, back to the topic at hand, left, which pep Hamilton, they spoke

18:08to those guys.

18:09I'm sure they talked offense with those guys.

18:12Would you consider those guys on staff?

18:13What do you make of them sort of maybe coming in, maybe being the OC, um, thoughts on that

18:18in general.

18:19And if again, they, they looked at those and, uh, you know, you not just use them as checking

18:23boxes, but trying to pick brains on what they could do with Drake may in an office.

18:28I mean, Mike Rabel, as far as I know, like, does he know those guys?

18:32There's not overlap from what I know.

18:34The only overlap it's a stretch, but it's Vrabel and Brady are friends and left, which

18:39coach Brady.

18:40And that's about it.

18:41And that's where I'm I'll wait.

18:43If they bring them in, that would be such a weird look.

18:48Can you imagine bringing them back after the Patriots just got so much bad PR from bringing

18:53them in, having them on a joint announcement?

18:56I think that would be so, and then this, this team has already proven to be fairly

19:01tone deaf.

19:02Um, when it comes to, I'll say race relations, like publicly, um, so I don't, I know we talked

19:11about them coming on as like staff members and I hope that happens.

19:15You know, I hope that some part of those interviews was useful, but man, I just don't know how

19:20you bring them in for another interview.

19:23Good point.

19:25And then not hire them.

19:26Like you can't bring them in as the Rooney roll OC guys and then not hire them.

19:29That is a terrible, terrible, I'm literally getting like goosebumps at the idea of them

19:33doing that, but it's going to look real bad for the team.

19:35So I don't think, I don't think so.

19:37If they get, I think they, there's a possibility they get hired.

19:40They're not coming through for another round of interviews.

19:43I think that's like, yeah, yeah, that's what I think it is.

19:45That's fair.

19:46Um, all right.

19:47Well, that's the OC discussion.

19:48We'll get back, go a little bit more rapid fire here on the other end, but first a quick

19:52word from our friends over at prize picks.

19:55Prize picks is the best place to get real money.

19:58Sports action with over 10 million members and billions of dollars in awarded winnings.

20:03Prize picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all.

20:06All you got to do is pick more or less on at least two players for a shot to win up

20:11to 1000 times your cash to run your game all season long on prize picks.

20:16It is playoff time, which means it's now or never don't miss out on the last few weeks

20:20of football action with prize picks.

20:23The best place to win cash while watching the playoffs, you can now win up to 1000 times

20:28that money on price picks and they now offer mastercard for quick and easy deposits into

20:33your account.

20:34This football season price picks also puts their members first.

20:38So all withdrawals are fast, safe, and secure.

20:41And when your picks hit, you get your money in as little as 15 minutes.

20:44All you have to do is download the prize fix app and use code CLNS to get $50 instantly

20:50after you play your first $5 lineup.

20:52That is code CLNS on the prize fix app to get $50 instantly after you play your first

20:59$5 lineup prize picks, run your game.

21:02All right, Taylor, prize fix.

21:04That's prize fix.

21:05You know what we're going to do actually before we get into these questions is first of all,

21:07I'm going to throw this up there because if you do download prize picks, just mentioned

21:10it get 50 bucks instantly after you play your first $5 lineup and we're going to make a

21:15prize picks lineup for Saturday's Chiefs versus Texans game.

21:19I'm going to ask you if you think Travis Kelsey will have more or less than 53 and

21:25a half receiving yards against the Houston Texans.

21:28Let me see who his season stats are.

21:32Now remember it's playoffs and Kelsey turns it on in the playoffs.

21:35True.

21:36Uh, 53 and a half 53.

21:41I'll do more.

21:42I shouldn't.

21:43I'll do.

21:44Okay.

21:46Cause dude, he has not had 50 yards.

21:48Super.

21:49Oh my gosh.

21:50Dude.

21:51His season totals have actually been pretty terrible.

21:52Yeah.

21:53He hasn't had a hundred yard game since November 4th.

21:55The day after my birthday was when he had a hundred yards.

21:59He has.

22:00Oh my God.

22:01He has 100 yard game this season.

22:04And uh, he only had one, I think he had one touchdown on Christmas day and his, I think

22:09that was only like a second or third touchdown of the entire year.

22:12He's been pretty slow.

22:13Yep.

22:14Yeah.

22:15He has three touchdowns.

22:16Oh yeah.

22:17It was December 25th.

22:18He had a touchdown.

22:19It was his third.

22:20Yeah.

22:21But it's the playoffs and it's the homes and it's Kelsey.

22:22Frank would never.

22:23Fair point.

22:24But I'm going to, I'm going to agree with you.

22:25I'm going more there.

22:26The other one, CJ Stroud, more or less than 227 and a half passing yards.

22:32I think this is going to be a relative, what'd you say?

22:35Who they playing?

22:36Texans.

22:37Uh, Houston's are playing the chiefs.

22:39Same game.

22:40Oh, right.

22:41My bad.

22:42Oh, I think more.

22:43I'm going to go less, less spags, spags, 227 receiving option.

22:51I'm going less.

22:52All right, we'll go less.

22:53That's our lineup.

22:54Travis Kelsey, more than 53 and a half receiving yards, CJ Stroud, less than 227 and a half

22:59passing yards.

23:00We'll tweet it out on Saturday and we'll see if we win.

23:03That's prospects.

23:04Again, download the app code CLNS.

23:06If you want to play with us, you get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup.

23:11We're going to continue on with the mailbag here.

23:14And I have a question for you, Taylor, about your thoughts.

23:18What'd you say?

23:19I said, what up?

23:20Oh, I thought you said what's up.

23:21Sorry.

23:22It's some New York slang.

23:23Yeah.

23:24Yeah.

23:25Sorry.

23:26I'm mocking vernacular.

23:27Yeah.

23:28I don't understand what you're saying, but anyway, thoughts on the AJ Brown comments

23:29from yesterday.

23:30I actually loaded them in, so I want to play them.

23:33If anybody else hadn't heard them, uh, Mike Vrabel was asked about potentially adding

23:37AJ Brown to the Patriots yesterday on the Greg Hill show.

23:39Maybe if you provide, uh, free books on the sidelines, you might be able to get a certain

23:44wide receiver here.

23:45Yeah, we'll see.

23:46But was he a big reader back when you guys were together?

23:50I think AJ is just trying to find ways to, to at least, uh, I'm proud of his development,

23:55his personal development and, and working on himself and working on controlling his,

23:59um, and getting back to center.

24:00And then again, he's a passionate player and I, and I love him to death and I have a very,

24:05very close relationship with him.

24:07Yeah.

24:10That was pointed.

24:11That was, I like AJ Brown.

24:12We worked really well together.

24:14And when he, he mentions the, the mental aspect and the mental side and how he kind of knows

24:19that he can, he's made developments and he's, um, worked on the mental side of things where

24:25you've seen it.

24:26He's kind of blown up in Philly and things like that.

24:28And he comes back to earth, but Vrabel is the perfect, I know what to do to get something

24:33out of you, but I also care about your mental health and that aspect of things.

24:38Vrabel wasn't the reason he was traded out of, uh, Tennessee.

24:41So look, I know it's probably going to be hard to pry him out of Philly, but what do

24:45you make of it?

24:46Cause those were, I guess if, if he didn't think that there was a chance that AJ Brown

24:52could come here, I don't think he would talk him up like that.

24:55I don't think that's true.

24:56I think I, I think that Vrabel was very honest.

25:00He trapped in AJ Brown.

25:02He helped AJ Brown.

25:03He saw AJ Brown from the time he was in the league and watched him mature and become one

25:09of the best wide receivers in the national football league.

25:11I Vrabel is a coach.

25:13I think we can take it as work.

25:15I'm sure that we will learn our lessons when it comes to, okay, this is when he means this.

25:19This is when he says this, but actually means that I'm still, I've seen a few Vrabel Tennessee

25:25press conferences.

25:26I'm still catching myself up.

25:27So I'm not quite there yet, but I think he would say this regardless.

25:30I think he really does want to, anytime he gets a chance, hype up AJ Brown, because I

25:36think they are first relationship.

25:38I also think that if things were to go poorly in Philadelphia, if they go to the, you know,

25:43if they're in the playoffs, they lose next round, or if they go and they win and he feels

25:47like he's accomplished what he needs to in Philly, or if he feels like he hasn't accomplished

25:51what he needs to in Philly and doesn't really want to be part of what they're doing and

25:56would rather reunite with Vrabel and also have a quarterback with a higher ceiling.

26:01Obviously I think we now know that the Patriots have become the team to connect to AJ Brown.

26:07If you were ever legitimately involved in trade talks, that's as far as I'm going to

26:11go, I'm not doing anything more because that's as far as I think we can take this.

26:15We can say, yes, it's very fair to say that with Drake May and Mike Vrabel, which I think

26:19is really, I've yet to think of another duo that's better when you look at it long-term

26:24or within like an NFL contract.

26:26Yeah.

26:27Like that tweet, Chad tweeted the other day, right?

26:28Yeah.

26:29In the next like three or four years.

26:30Who's better, what like 10 other coaches and quarterbacks are better than Mike Vrabel and

26:36Drake May on paper?

26:38We don't know what they are yet.

26:39Of course, these are all projections.

26:40We're in the off season, baby.

26:42It's actually projection season.

26:44So yeah, I think that if anything were to happen and they were, you know, another Tyree

26:48situation, not, nah, it's not fair to say that, but if there were another situation

26:52where AJ Brown was like, you know what, I don't really want to be here.

26:54I'd like to go somewhere else.

26:56The Patriots are one, a, B and C. But you know, that's, that's about as much as we know

27:02right now.

27:03Yeah, I agree.

27:04He's under contract.

27:05He had an extension in Philly this year, uh, on a three-year extension.

27:07He's under contract until 2029.

27:10So you'd have to trade for them unless they caught him.

27:12It looks like there's an out after 2027, but I mean, look, you send some things over there.

27:17You have the cap space to make it work.

27:20If you wanted to, you certainly could.

27:21And I, it's a good point where he may just want to stay there because he's had success

27:26there and there was a team, right?

27:29Exactly.

27:30So like, why would you want to leave?

27:31The only thing is him and Hurt seemed to kind of go back and forth in their relationship,

27:35It's so weird.

27:36Like we got to talk to somebody from Philly because I know like Hurt seems like the most

27:41inoffensive person ever.

27:43Like I have a crush on Jalen Hurts.

27:45He seems like a very lovable guy and AJ Brown doesn't seem like he's like a headcase.

27:51Like we know why receivers can sometimes be a little nutty and seem like he's really out

27:55there.

27:56It just seems like he wants to win.

27:57He gets very frustrated when he's not a part of that success, which obviously is part of

28:00the diva thing a little bit for receivers.

28:02But I don't know.

28:03I just, I would love to hear some more insights.

28:05So bizarre that this has been happening with him this year.

28:08I never would have expected it.

28:09Yeah.

28:10I'm with you.

28:11All right.

28:12Let's move on to the offensive line.

28:13Is there an offensive tackle in free agency that you think is worth targeting for the

28:16longterm?

28:17Not just a quick fix.

28:20Long term.

28:21The only guy really is a Larrick Jackson.

28:22I hope I'm saying that right.

28:23Larrick, Larrick Jackson.

28:24I think it's a Larrick.

28:25Yeah.

28:26I think it's Larrick too.

28:27But I believe he's had soft tissue injuries.

28:29And I, uh, I'm hoping at some point we get a chance to ask my Grable exactly how much

28:37soft tissue injuries affect him because now a friend of the pod, Paul Kowarski mentioned

28:42that Grable, it's one of those things that he just doesn't have a lot of tolerance for.

28:47Um, it's consistent soft tissue injuries.

28:50So Flair Jan Jackson has them.

28:52He's a younger guy.

28:53He would be signed to probably the biggest contract for any of these, uh, left tackles

28:58if he did make the open market.

29:00And if he did, that's a lot.

29:02That's like what T Higgins, where you're talking about offering a huge deal to somebody who

29:07might not be able to provide that for you.

29:09So that's the only guy, but you know, I'm not so confident that he can.

29:13What about Jedrick?

29:14If you're in the pause, because I said the crush on another man, Hey, you can have a

29:20crush on another man.

29:21It's fine.

29:22I will not say I refuse Jedrick Wells.

29:27That's my Jedrick Wells is on my list.

29:29Why played with Cleveland, played in Cleveland, Vrabel knows him.

29:34He's only 26.

29:35As the chat says, everything I've, everything I've heard about him scares me.

29:40Like anytime I talk to somebody from Cleveland, it's just the consistency is an issue.

29:45I just, I'm sorry.

29:46No, I just, I could definitely do more research.

29:49And once we get to actual for agency, I will, I promise there are certain players that just

29:53when the season got bad, I kind of like attach myself to like Patrick McCurry, Josh sweat.

29:59I know the last Milton Williams, Josh, those are my boys right now, but like Jedrick Wills

30:06is someone who every time he comes up in the back of my head, I'm just like, I feel like

30:10I've heard something bad about him.

30:11And I don't think that for a lot of players and I, especially for offensive line help,

30:15like I'm pretty flexible, but he doesn't seem like one that's going to hit it.

30:18And also I see somebody in the chat saying Ronnie Stanley.

30:20I would love it.

30:22Ronnie was mine too.

30:23He's Stanley and Patrick Stanley on the same side of the offensive line.

30:25That would be sick.

30:26I don't think Ronnie Stanley, I think they'd rather franchise tag.

30:29The guy he's 30 years old.

30:31You either franchise tag him or he'd probably rather just go back to the Ravens and finish

30:36on a high note and make his money or make a lot of money rather than making a ton.

30:42Right.

30:43Yeah.

30:44Sorry.

30:45Yeah.

30:46No, you're good.

30:47Good player on a good team franchise tag.

30:49run it back.

30:50Henry, one more year type of thing.

30:53It's not the same, but it reminds me of like everyone wanting the Patriots to sign Tyron

30:57Smith last year, where, why do you want to be 30, 31 years old going to try and rebuild

31:03an offensive line when you're kind of just like not a stopgap measure because Stanley's

31:07a little bit younger, but I just, I don't see it.

31:09I think it's Jackson.

31:10And I think, again, I still look at Jedrick Wills as somebody with the familiarity, especially

31:16you never know if a guy like Scott Peter sticks around.

31:19He was with him last year in Cleveland.

31:21So we'll see there.

31:22We do have another super chat from Jeff 10 bucks.

31:24We love you.

31:25We appreciate you.

31:26I'll ask you this, Taylor.

31:28If you know, if you don't know, we can just use it as a jumping off point and to give

31:32Jeff some love in the chat.

31:33But does a cold, strange laden Robinson or Michael Menuh, how do they fit with Josh McDaniels

31:38blocking schemes, blocking schemes, excuse me, moving a step more, which tackled would

31:43fit said scheme.

31:45If they do end up hiring Josh, I have to defer on the tackles in the draft.

31:49I never want to lie to y'all.

31:50I never want to blow smoke.

31:51I have not watched them on enough to know.

31:54So I don't know yet deferring the draft question, but blocking seems for McDaniels.

31:58So we know what the Patriots and Tom Brady, specifically Tom Brady, it was all gap, right?

32:05There was some outside zone, especially with like James White, with Sony Michelle, they

32:08would switch things up because they didn't want to be predictable, but also they would

32:12mix in outside zone.

32:13They never majored in it, but they had a diverse run scheme.

32:16I actually went back and it's like they're top 10 and a duo top 10 in power, top 10 encounter

32:22top 10 in shrap.

32:24Like the duo stuff is where they lean, but you don't know what you're getting from play

32:28to play.

32:29And that's still significant, right?

32:31Like that's what Ben Johnson does.

32:32They don't really run the same stuff.

32:34They run everything because they have that diversity of offensive linemen, which Mike

32:37Vrabel, thank God he's thinking the same way.

32:40They want to probably major in outside zone, but he also understands you've got to run

32:43gap to punish defenses when they want to penetrate to stop you.

32:47Similar to what Scott Peters told us right after the first week of the season, we asked

32:50why just kind of get away from outside zone.

32:52Oh, they were running certain things.

32:53We had to go back to our, to our gap scheme.

32:55So that's kind of that, but for the outside zone scheme, because I think it's important

33:00to note that Josh is very flexible, very flexible.

33:04When he was in Vegas, his last season, the Rams were like 11 in the number of outside

33:08zone carries they had when they had Josh Jacobs who majored in that when he was in

33:13Vegas or not Vegas, sorry, he went to the Packers, my bad, but like he was obviously

33:18more of an outside zone runner.

33:20Josh McDaniels adjusted to his scheme.

33:22Also they had Jimmy Garoppolo was much more comfortable with the outside zone scheme and

33:25the ways that you beat that as a quarterback, et cetera, et cetera.

33:29So there's no one scheme for Josh McDaniels.

33:32He is more experienced in gap, but he's also shown that he can rely on outside zone.

33:39And also the things that you benefit from when you use outside zone and Mike and one

33:43who showed, he was my biggest concern when it came to the outside zone scheme.

33:48I thought he could be fine as a tackle because you can basically just block guys out as a

33:53guard.

33:54I'm worried.

33:55Okay.

33:56Can you get outside the guy and get the reach blocks and all that?

33:57He was fine.

33:58Most of their outside zone success came between DeMontre Jacobs and Mike and one who, so I

34:03think he's fine.

34:04I think Cole strange was literally born to block an outside zone.

34:07And Leighton Robinson, I think has the arm length and the explosiveness to really do

34:11either if he's coached well enough.

34:13Yeah.

34:14I'm sorry.

34:15I'm just trying to segue us into something else.

34:18And like you said, when you're going to defer to something and not completely understand,

34:23I, well, I understand the difference in blocking schemes and who runs what that is your wheelhouse.

34:28I will leave that to you, especially what Josh does.

34:32Like I said, I understand them.

34:33I know them.

34:34I can call them.

34:35Here's a question for you.

34:36What was, did you have a certain scheme for a play action that you preferred to run?

34:43Like a certain run fake.

34:45It was almost all zone run fakes.

34:47Okay.

34:48We basically always ran zone.

34:50There was never really like hat on a hat.

34:52So did you like the half boot or did you like the full boot?

34:57We never did we?

34:59Oh no.

35:00We did fake and then boot, but I liked a sprint out boot rather than having to roll

35:04and stop.

35:05We never really moved the pocket like that.

35:07We would do like, we were all guns, so we would fake action across zone action.

35:13And then you would just drop straight back or we would have a fake across, but then somebody

35:17would like, uh, I think it was center guard or two would follow on the sprint out or action.

35:23And I liked throwing on the run to the left.

35:25So that was kind of, we got to work this.

35:27I have a park by my house.

35:28We'll go and we'll practice some throws.

35:30I'll make a video versus with a straight boot.

35:33We'll make a video.

35:34Let's do that.

35:35That's a good idea.

35:36Uh, can you tell them about the idea that we had during the season?

35:41I don't know.

35:42I think we'll talk about it off air and see, but that, yeah, that, that ended pretty quickly.

35:49Um, okay.

35:51Let's continue on.

35:52Uh, where are we?

35:53Oh, offensive line.

35:54Let's go.

35:57I guess big picture, what position should they, or could they tackle in free agency

36:03versus the draft?

36:04I think Rabel even said this the other day, whether it was in his introductory press conference

36:09or on EI, but basically that free agency is going to dictate the draft, what you can fill

36:15or not fill there, um, will then sort of change when you get, uh, to the NFL draft.

36:21But I kind of want to ask you this and I'll loop it in with this.

36:23If they don't get T Higgins in free agency, what do they do at wide receiver?

36:29So general thoughts, sorry, just to kind of put it into one general thoughts on thoughts

36:35on player acquisition, what they should do, where, and also their answer at wide receiver

36:39if they don't land T. Did you just call me general thought?

36:42I'm just kidding.

36:43Yeah.

36:44Yeah.

36:45General thought.

36:46All right.

36:47Good answer.

36:48Um, this is such an unserious show, but that's what we do.

36:54We need here.

36:55We need to come on here and just have conversations sometimes when it's like, when it's film

36:59review and we're going to talk about this and hi, I'm Mike Cadillac and he's like, no,

37:02let's just grab the mic and hang out.

37:05That's what this is supposed to be anyway.

37:07So we're, people are learning actively in the show, but wait, I know, I'm sorry.

37:13Oh, you're right.

37:14I apologize.

37:15You can have a crush on men to each his own daily.

37:18We don't judge great stuff.

37:19We love to see it.

37:20All right.

37:22So as a West Hollywood resident, this means a lot to me.

37:26We're, we're showing growth.

37:27All right.

37:28But anyway, when it comes to the actual player acquisition, Taylor player acquisition, not

37:34personal preference, player acquisition, if they don't get T Higgins and that's pretty

37:38much a reality that I have accepted, right?

37:41The soft tissue injuries consistently, you're going to have to make him a top five, at least

37:46highest paid receiver in the NFL.

37:50Odds are under Mike Vrabel.

37:52He probably isn't going to prioritize that.

37:53Especially.

37:54I know that he has a certain type of receiver.

37:55He likes AJ Brown, but he's put a lot of emphasis on the trenches offensively and defensively.

38:01And for the Patriots, when you're a really bad team, a lot of the times you should probably

38:06look to the trenches and the quarterback position first quarterback for the Patriots is fine.

38:11The trenches on both sides of the ball are down horrendous.

38:15Now it's going to be very interesting offensively, how they handle the offensive line because

38:19left guard, you could do cold, strange first round pick.

38:23You can go late in Robinson, fourth rounder, right?

38:26Not as high of a ceiling, but he still did finish the season strong.

38:30Unfortunately, if you're Mike Vrabel, you're saying, okay, well, yeah, cold, strange ADHD

38:36comment in the chat also on brand distracted me, but cold, strange.

38:41You'd like him to be at center for the rest of his career, but it left guard.

38:44He's shown that he does struggle against power.

38:46He acknowledged it, right?

38:47There's still growth there late in Robinson.

38:51He finished strong, but there were still the issues that you had with him in the draft

38:54still showed up in this final few games.

38:57So if you're Mike Vrabel, are you saying, you know what?

38:59I trust my coaches.

39:01We're going to develop this guy.

39:03Or are you saying, Hey, I love my coaches.

39:05I trust them, but I want dominant trenches.

39:08I want guys who we can go into camp and I know exactly what I'm going to get.

39:13If that's the case, you prioritize Trey Smith.

39:16Patrick McCurry is maybe your second choice because I think Trey Smith is like, you got

39:20a dominant left guard.

39:21He played left guard in college.

39:23He's been a right guard for the chiefs.

39:24But if you have Trey Smith and Mike and when you at guard and Mike Vrabel has emphasized

39:30protection in the middle of the pocket, you're set.

39:34Whether it's David Andrews or cold, strange at center, I think you're doing pretty well

39:38tackles a little more difficult, right?

39:40Left tackle.

39:41Eric Jackson.

39:42Cam Robinson.

39:43Do you really want to pay Cam Robinson when you have a daring low?

39:46Their pass protection metrics are pretty even.

39:49Actually no.

39:50The area has been better.

39:51Camlo.

39:52Camlo.

39:53Cam Robinson was a nightmare on Monday night against the Rams and like Darian Lowe's been

39:56bad.

39:57There's only been two or three games where you were really like, Oh my God.

40:00Like the Darian outside of the mental errors, there were only two areas where you were just

40:05like, this is horrendous.

40:06Like you got to get out of there.

40:08So it's like, I would rather go with the Darian and a developmental guy, like a, an

40:12area onto a nursery or a Josh Connerly or like trade back into the, uh, back into the

40:17first or something like that to get one of those guys.

40:19I prefer that right tackles.

40:21Also kind of tricky.

40:22Caden Wallace was just horribly injured, horribly, horribly injured.

40:27Amazing that he was even able to play at the end of the year, but he's a guy who was, had

40:32a really big jump his last year and people were thinking, Hey, if he continues this,

40:36he can be a starter.

40:37So it's tough with the trenches, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

40:41But I think that's where the priority is going to be.

40:42And again, Trey Smith and Patrick McCurry are the names that I'm kind of putting up

40:46there and thinking, this makes a lot of sense.

40:48Jack Conklin, if he gets cut, if you can trade for him, something like that defensive line.

40:53Again, I'm consistent.

40:54It's Josh sweat.

40:55He's 28 years old, same age as Matt Judon when he signed to the Patriots, I think he

41:00gives you the edge rush, the experience, the winning presence that you need.

41:04Milton Williams has been one of the best pass rushers in football this season.

41:08He Christian Barmore, your top tackles, Devon Godshaw mixes in as your nose when you want

41:13to stop the run.

41:14But I really liked those two guys affecting the pocket.

41:16So those are the names I'm looking for.

41:18Also Aziz Ojalary with Ryan Cowden.

41:20He was just with the Giants.

41:21Maybe they've got a connection there.

41:24Some other names like Barron Browning, there's some decent edge rushers, but really Josh

41:28sweat is one of the guys that I'm really looking for in this.

41:30Like the connection you just made between Cowden and Aziz Ojalary, uh, you know, I,

41:35you wonder what they, you know, out and could have thought that he wasn't a great player

41:38and he could have thought differently about him, but there was a connection there.

41:41And those are the types of things that I like with the new coaching staffs or whatever.

41:45Um, either that, not that it's easy and not that, you know, like everybody makes the,

41:51um, Josh is different, but the, you know, the Michael Fleur because of this or Tim Kelly

41:56because of that, because there's all these connections, but there's also ones that we

42:00don't even know about that are going to come out, but it's just so nice that there's actually

42:05like a, a web of communication and coaching trees and things like that for the staff and

42:10for this, for this team.

42:11So, uh, that gets exciting.

42:13Uh, all right.

42:14Two things in the chat first and foremost, um, I also saw one really quick, really quick

42:19if I may.

42:20Um, I saw a question and now I can't find it about mocks.

42:26Oh, here it is.

42:27We will be doing mocks.

42:29So I talked to Alex about this actually, because that was like our whole thing last year.

42:33We did the box going to start doing those at least by next week.

42:36Um, I, I let out my first mock draft of the year.

42:39Who did I get?

42:40Actually, I got a, I'm going to go right through real quick.

42:43I think I kind of killed it to be honest.

42:45Was it realistic?

42:46That's debatable, but for the first mock draft of the year, you're allowed to have some reaches.

42:50I got Abdul Carter at number four.

42:53I did no trades, Abdul Carter at number four, Arianta Ursary at 38, Jalen Royals at 69.

43:03And Derek Harmon at number 77.

43:05I think he'd be their Dietrich Weiss replacement.

43:07So you get yourself an edge rusher slash inside linebacker.

43:10You got yourself a left tackle, got yourself a wide receiver and you got yourself another

43:15defensive lineman.

43:16All right.

43:17I was going to, so I was going to break for game time and then wrap up with some rapid

43:20fire here.

43:21So since we're talking about the mock drafts, let's hit on a couple draft questions and

43:25then we'll hit game time and then we'll close out with a couple final question.

43:29First and foremost, rapid fire.

43:31You mentioned Abdul Carter Carter at number four, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter Carter Carter.

43:37No question.

43:38Carter Carter.

43:39No question.

43:40Okay.

43:41I'm sorry.

43:42It's like as much as I lean Carter as much as I love Christian Gonzalez for the player

43:45he is.

43:46If it was like, would you rather have Christian Gonzalez or a Micah Parsons?

43:51I'm sorry.

43:52I'm taking my good point.

43:53It's like Christian Gonzalez changes the entire complexity of the game.

43:59But a guy like Mark Micah Parsons, Abdul Carter, it's different because he can't stop the run

44:03quite yet.

44:05And that does hurt.

44:06But like, I always think if you can affect the pocket, that helps the second level.

44:10Right.

44:11And the second level can help themselves with making plays, all that stuff.

44:14But most of the time when you talk about marrying the pass rush and the coverage, you're hoping

44:19the pass rush is going to be what dictates things.

44:21So I'm always going to take a great edge rusher or defense line in period, but also a great

44:26edge rusher over a great cornerback.

44:28Yeah.

44:29I also lean Carter.

44:30The one thing I did like about Travis Hunter when we did all the Travis Hunter talk towards

44:35the end of the season was the fact that he can kill two birds with one stone wide receiver

44:39corner when he gets hurt, though.

44:41But when he gets hurt, you lose a wide receiver and you lose a corner.

44:44So that's the flip side on something like that.

44:46So I'm with you.

44:47I lean out Bill Carter.

44:48One more draft question.

44:49Quickly.

44:50Are there any slot receivers in this draft?

44:52Xavier Restrepo, Miami.

44:54He I love him.

44:56He's one of my favorite receivers in college.

44:58He was a dog for like many years at Miami.

45:01That's the one I look at.

45:02I don't know if you would know anything else.

45:04I saw Matt St. Gene are on the yeah.

45:08He's our colleague here.

45:09He's on the the Pat's Nation podcast with Pat Lane, and he did a past pulpit mock draft

45:15and had Restrepo going to them.

45:16I love it.

45:17I feel like he would be a nice addition, especially in a Josh McDaniels offense.

45:21But do you know of any others or you just team Restrepo as well?

45:24I like Restrepo.

45:25Again, I'm not super deep, but I've at least been looking at like one receivers because

45:29with the Patriots, I like them in the first couple picks to get linemen.

45:34That's top priority for me.

45:36And then in the third and fourth round is where I'm like, all right, now you get some

45:39weapons, maybe a defensive tackle.

45:41But yeah, Restrepo, he's not going to be your like makeup for Aladin McConkey necessarily.

45:47I'm not just saying this because there are a couple of white guys.

45:50I'm saying it because they're like, like slot Z types.

45:53But also guys that came into the are going to come into the draft as being very good

45:57separators.

45:58Guys who are probably going to kill the senior bowl, which Celina's will be at.

46:01Make sure you're keeping it locked on for that.

46:04But he's not as explosive like Aladin McConkey is a four three guy.

46:09It's not the same, but in terms of getting open, it kind of reminds me of when Josh had

46:14Jules and Danny Amendola where it's like, okay, if Josh was here last year, I would

46:19have felt a little bit better about Aladin McConkey and pop because there's not a lot

46:23of offensive coordinators who know how to use two relatively undersized guys.

46:29It's tough, right?

46:30Because it's like, how do you prioritize?

46:32How do you put this one guy in position where this other guy doesn't get killed?

46:36Josh did a great job of that.

46:37I could see like Restrepo where he's five, 10, 200.

46:41That's Jules, right?

46:42Not as elusive.

46:43I don't think he's quite as good of a separator, but similar kind of profile.

46:47And then pop like Danny Amendola, where you don't want him on the field a ton because

46:51he's a smaller guy, but he can get open, make plays after the catch, be dynamic and all

46:55those things.

46:56So that'd be a pretty cool match up there.

46:59But that third round specifically, I feel like is going to be a really great place for

47:03the Patriots to get themselves a couple of weapons because it feels like there's not

47:06a ton of high end talent in this draft.

47:09So I think those receivers are either going to get taken early and they're going to be

47:12overdrafted or they're going to slip.

47:14You're going to get some good values.

47:15And even with the tight ends and the running backs, it feels like there's a lot of a lot

47:19of depth there.

47:20So it's not just the wide receivers.

47:21I think there is a few skill positions the Patriots could have draft on on that third

47:25day.

47:26All righty, Taylor, before we get out of here.

47:29Second day.

47:30Yes.

47:31Second, before we wrap up, before we get out of here, a quick word from our friends at

47:33GameTime and then we will wrap up our final couple of questions on today's mailbag.

47:37We will be right back.

47:39This episode is also powered by GameTime, the best place to get tickets to anything

47:44concerts, games and more.

47:47They have the GameTime picks feature that makes getting tickets even easier.

47:50It filters out the fluff and only shows you incredible deals on great seats so you don't

47:55have to waste time searching through thousands of tickets to find the best value.

47:59They also have the lowest price guarantee and they have seat views to check out exactly

48:04what it's going to look like from your seat.

48:06So make sure you download the GameTime app today to take the guesswork out of buying

48:10tickets.

48:11Download the app, create an account and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase

48:17terms apply.

48:18Again, create an account and redeem code CLNS for $20 off.

48:22Download GameTime today.

48:23Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed.

48:27What time is it?

48:28Game time.

48:29Good answer.

48:30It is game time.

48:31Let's look at game time right now.

48:33You go to Boston, you open the app by the Boston games come up right away.

48:37You know, it's funny.

48:38They know not that other ticketing apps don't, but I like that it just comes up.

48:42It tells you that UNH women's basketball, Maine Celtics, Vermont basketball, it keeps

48:46you right here.

48:47Local Boston Celtics is the big one.

48:49You can get into Friday's game against the magic for as little as 89 bucks right now

48:54on the GameTime app.

48:56That is the all in price because I have that toggled on, on my app.

49:00So you don't get hit with hidden fees at the end.

49:02It's the best place to get tickets.

49:04So if you're going to do so go to the GameTime app, use that code CLNS, you get $20 off your

49:09first purchase terms apply and tailor.

49:12I think we close out the mailbag with one overarching quick question here.

49:17And this is actually from someone that had me blocked on Twitter.

49:21He was in your, he had you.

49:25I don't know.

49:26I went and I went to look at some questions to put them in the, to put them in our banners

49:32today.

49:33And I saw this tweet and everything was grayed out at the bottom.

49:36When someone has you blocked, you can see their stuff now because X does that, but I

49:39couldn't retweet.

49:40I couldn't.

49:41So Dan, the man seven, if you're watching, I don't know what I did.

49:46I don't even know if I'm sorry, but he asked him, why are people excited for the Patriots?

49:52So let's end on a good note.

49:54As we like to do Taylor, why are you excited for the Patriots in 2025?

49:58I'm excited for the Patriots because they have proven leadership.

50:02Someone who has done the job before someone who has proven competent, if not perfect.

50:06And someone who from all accounts seems to have learned, maybe we will see to a degree,

50:13we will see where exactly, but someone who seems to have learned from his past experience.

50:18And I feel like one thing that was said a lot against Ben Johnson was all so many players

50:22learn in their second year or their second try, right?

50:25Second, third try.

50:26Bill Belichick did it.

50:27A lot of great coaches did it.

50:29Hopefully Mike Vrabel joins that kind of cast as people who really were able to grow from

50:34their first experience as a head coach.

50:36The fact that Mike Vrabel finally has a dynamic quarterback, like I don't want to over, over

50:41hype Drake May.

50:42I'm excited about him.

50:44I cannot lie and act like the end of the season didn't worry me a little bit where he did

50:48unfortunately end on a low note.

50:50And you could say it's because the supporting cast, the weather and all those things, but

50:54it is what it is.

50:56And I'll feel better once I get to see him on a field again.

50:58But even still, you know, at the very worst, I think this is like a top, top half of the

51:03league at the very worst.

51:04It probably, you know, more realistic versus top 12 kind of quarterback.

51:09I think defensively you still have a lot of veterans who I think Mike Vrabel team where

51:13you kind of bring back that Belichickian discipline and attention to detail.

51:18I think those guys are going to benefit from that.

51:20And also the fact that the offensive line as bad as it is one, they're going to bring

51:24in talent.

51:25I don't even think that's a question on both sides of the ball, but also the fact that

51:27Vrabel can help those guys defensive line by being like, Hey, I was around one of the

51:32best defensive lines in NFL history, whether or not we're held into such, I can give you

51:36tips.

51:37And then on the other side of the ball to be like, yeah, I know exactly what I would

51:40be looking at to attack you.

51:41If I were a defensive lineman, here's how you need to improve.

51:45Like those things, the overall, um, access that Vrabel will be able to have to as players

51:50on the field, off the field, the fact that quarterback situations resolved, and the fact

51:55that you've got so much capital to truly turn this into a very, very different team by next

52:01year where you can fix the trenches.

52:02You can add young talent where you need to, and you can at least create a genuine core

52:07that can carry you into the next couple of years, similar to 2011, but if they didn't,

52:11you know, get rid of all the good coaches and everything.

52:15So that's where I don't want to say it's, it's the answer is simple, but it kind of

52:20is where, yes, the roster is still not great.

52:24It's depleted.

52:25You need a lot of turnover, but one, and it's, I'm kind of reiterating what you just said,

52:29but it's, it's really, there's three things here.

52:32The roster stinks.

52:33It needs help, but you have so much cap space to truly make that work.

52:38You have a head coach and Mike Brable, a GM and Ryden Cowden who see, or an executive

52:43and Ryden Cowden who wants to now work with Elliot Wolfe and hopefully truly make that

52:47happen to make the most of that cap space.

52:49And even though the roster is so bad, you've seemingly hit on the two most important things,

52:54which is head coach and quarterback.

52:55Like you hit on Drake May.

52:57Yes, the season wasn't great, but you have a franchise quarterback hopeful right now

53:01in Drake May, who's only you'd hope is going to improve.

53:04And at head coach, as much leeway as we gave Gerard last year, we never said they hit.

53:10We always said, give it time.

53:12Let's see, give him a chance.

53:13And then finally we said, well, he doesn't deserve a chance anymore.

53:15And they made the move.

53:17I think they hit on Brable.

53:18Like could it backfire maybe, but he's done it before what we've heard the last few days.

53:23He's going to come in to build a culture and guys are probably going to take to it and

53:27listen because he mends that mold or the immense defense, excuse me, of hard ass bill Belichick,

53:33but I care.

53:34I understand I can take the millennial player and turn him into a very good football player.

53:40So there's just, you've hit on the two big things, head coach, quarterback, the cap space

53:44and turnaround the roster.

53:45You hope that they can do that.

53:47That's why it's actually exciting because at the end of the last couple of years of

53:51bill, it was, we don't know about the quarterback.

53:53We don't know about the roster.

53:54We don't know about the coach.

53:55Now you at least know about the quarterback and coach and you have enough to fix the roster.

54:00So it's exciting.

54:01It's good news around new England.

54:04That's why we're going to be here on Pat's daily as often as possible throughout the

54:07entire off season to bring in news notes, mailbags.

54:11We're going to do a show tomorrow looking at the roster and the coaches and kind of

54:15see frankly where they can trim the fat who's here still, who's not here still.

54:21So we'll bring that to you tomorrow at some point, we'll make sure to reach out on social

54:24media.

54:25So you guys know to come here and yeah, we'll do a mailbag every week as well and keep hitting

54:29on this Patriots, these topics as the off season continues on.

54:34So if you're interested in all that stuff, rate review and subscribe to the channel.

54:38Taylor, like you mentioned, is going to be at the senior role coming up shortly.

54:41So he'll have content from down there.

54:43I'm not going to be there, but I'm going to be on Pat's daily with Taylor knocking on

54:47all of that stuff.

54:48So all that being said, subscribe, rate review, going to be a fun off season.

54:53Thanks for watching.

54:54Take care of yourselves.

54:55Take care of each other.

54:56Goodbye, Taylor.

54:57Thank you for joining me.

54:58I'm going to die.

54:59Where am I going?

55:00Am I dying?

55:01Yeah.

55:02Goodbye.

55:03We'll see you guys next time.

55:04Thank you so much for watching.

55:05Peace out, everyone.

LIVE Mailbag: Who Will Be the Next Patriots OC? | Patriots Daily

Category

Transcript

Recommended