On this episode of Poke the Bear, Conor Ryan is joined by Ty Anderson of 98.5 The Sports Hub to discuss where the Boston Bruins go from here after losing their sixth straight game. What changes or additions will realistically come? That, and much more!
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00:00PokeTheBear is brought to you by PricePix and the GameTime app.
00:07And welcome into PokeTheBear episode 294, presented by PricePix and GameTime Tickets.
00:14I'm Connor Ryan, and once again we are joined by 985TheSportsHubs, TyInnocent.
00:19Ty, I'd ask you how you doing, but you know what, I'm gonna venture a guess and say you're
00:24not doing that great, because you watched the same shitty Bruins game that I did yesterday.
00:28Am I right?
00:29Yeah, it sucks.
00:30This is miserable.
00:31I mean, it's just, you're kind of finding out, you're running out of ways to describe
00:37what you're watching.
00:39It's Groundhog Day pretty much every day, and we are all Ned Ryerson getting punched
00:45in the face by an angry Bill Murray.
00:48Or maybe we're Bill Murray at this point, I don't know.
00:51It's not, it has been fun, it has been fun for some time.
00:55It was a holiday break, they have one win, it was against the guy who sports in 857,
01:00I believe.
01:01It was me and Ned, I believe.
01:02Yeah, that guy's, by the way, has been sent back to the minors since then.
01:07So conditioning loan, they're saying, I would also call it just a bad goaltender loan.
01:12But yes, not great, this has not been great.
01:16And you kind of just know it's gonna happen every night.
01:19Like you kind of like, we're not like Charlie Brown with the football, like we know that
01:23Lucy's gonna pull up the football.
01:25And we're still watching, and we're still, it's just, so it's been bad.
01:29And listen, when you lose to teams like Columbus and New York, and like, it sucks.
01:36But for some reason, like, I don't know why this feels worse lately.
01:41It just feels like, these last two games specifically, the Edmonton game and the Tampa game, they
01:45feel worse than losing to bad teams.
01:47I can't explain it, but it does.
01:49And here we are right now, the Boston Bruins, just just the absolute train wreck, it feels
01:53like.
01:54Yeah, it'd be great if we could watch the progression of this, the show from September,
02:00maybe even like July, when I think there was a lot more hope and optimism about this team
02:04that similarly was looking like they were going to build off of last year and be a team
02:10that maybe not a legit top three team in the East or something like that.
02:13But I've seen that be in the mix.
02:15And sometimes that's all you're looking for in the NHL.
02:18And I agree, like, I don't know if these last couple of games just add more validation.
02:22This team's just not it.
02:24Right.
02:25I mean, you look at every single, you know, it's not like previous years where the Bruins
02:30just have not had the right mix and things have fallen apart, where, you know, there's
02:34a pretty serious flaw, like what, like 15, 16, when they lost, they were scoring a lot
02:38of goals, but they weren't getting enough goaltending.
02:41The backup situation was a mess, like there were flaws, obviously.
02:45This team is just a mess across the board, right?
02:48Like when you look at the fact they can't score five on five, they cannot score on the
02:52power play.
02:53Dare I say they are dreadful on the power play, had a short end goal against the Tampa
02:58lose a 4-1 to Tampa, by the way, six losses in a row.
03:02I think you look at the fact they can't score, they're not an exciting product to watch.
03:06The defense has been way too prone to mistakes.
03:09You've got regression from Jeremy Swinman, who I think has actually played better, I
03:13think over some, maybe since the turn of the new year, he's been more of what you need.
03:17But again, even if he's playing at an extremely high level, the margin for error for him is
03:22way too small.
03:24And it just feels like you're spinning the wheels right now.
03:27And I think you've touched on this before, Ty, I think there's even like a week or so
03:31ago when we were talking about the fact that they haven't made a move or called anyone
03:35up like Bruins fans are passionate.
03:38They tend to be very emotional, quick to anger, I would say, but they're also not dumb.
03:44And I feel like the worst thing is that I think Bruins fans are not buying into whatever
03:50the process is with this team, because it's like if you're just going to spin out the
03:54same flawed roster night in and night out, you're going to lose interest.
03:57And I think you're already seeing like a very, a very scary thing where it's not the anger.
04:03It's not the frustration.
04:04Those things happen even when the Bruins playing well.
04:07It's like the apathy of, all right, what are we doing here?
04:11Why should I invest my time to watch this team that has given me very few reasons to
04:17cheer this year?
04:18And it just makes for a miserable year.
04:20And that's kind of what it's been, especially since the turn of the new year.
04:23Yeah, 100%.
04:25And you know, to further along kind of they are what they are.
04:29That loss to Tampa, Tampa is now in a playoff spot.
04:31Not they weren't before, but but but they are now and you finally played them in January.
04:36By the way, six schedule NHL, love it.
04:39You you're now six, 14 and one against teams that are in the playoffs in either conference
04:44right now.
04:46It's a 33 winning percentage against playoff teams currently in the side of the structure
04:51in the Eastern Conference.
04:52You're three and nine like you haven't beaten good teams and now you're losing to the bad
04:58teams as well.
04:59You know, like like the Islanders, for example, like this is sort of just been, I think, a
05:03nightmare scenario.
05:04Yeah.
05:06I mean, remember, I think both me and you had them potentially being a third round kind
05:09of team, like thinking that they could be good enough defensively and goaltending wise
05:14to get to the third round.
05:16They haven't been a lockdown team defensively and their goaltending has not been consistent
05:19enough.
05:20And and yeah, Jeremy Swain has played better of late.
05:22I think I agree with you there.
05:24He's still giving up that bad goal every game where you're like, I, I need a save there
05:29because your offense isn't good enough.
05:31And that part, that is part of the equation, like like that goal that makes a 2-0 last
05:36night for Tampa, like shouldn't happen, like low rise gap control and not really denying
05:42time and space like like that's an issue there.
05:44But he's also a second year pro.
05:46I need my 8.25 million dollar goaltender to make a save in that spot, especially given
05:50the timing of that goal, how close you were to getting out of that being down just one
05:56and knowing mentally that that this team is not going to score two goals or three goals
06:00when that game in the third period.
06:03So I think that, you know, it's just kind of one big nasty soup right now.
06:07Nobody wants it.
06:08And I think, yeah, to your point, like the fans are kind of sitting there going, OK,
06:12when are you going to do something?
06:14Because doing nothing isn't going to work.
06:16It's just it's not going to work for this team and where they got to be and where the
06:19fans want to be like.
06:21And this is where I disagree with ownership and management, right?
06:25Like like ownership.
06:26I said that they don't think that the fans here will tolerate a rebuild or retool or
06:30whatever.
06:31And that's why they try to go for it every year.
06:34OK, I think your fans will accept being as the kids like Aaron Marinovsky say mid.
06:40They'll take being mid if you give them something to look forward to down the line, if you give
06:46them a mid product and you're saying, no, no, no, no.
06:49Believe in these guys.
06:50They're going to tune out because they're saying, why am I watching this?
06:53You got seven guys on this on this in this team right now that are going to be wearing
06:57different uniforms next year.
06:58Like why?
06:59Why should I care?
07:00Why should I emotionally invest in your product?
07:02And I think that's the big problem for this team right now.
07:05You know, I said it last night during the game.
07:06I, you know, it's kind of in my bag last night tweeting about just how miserable this is.
07:11But like change nothing, make no lineup tweaks and then tell your fans come out and buy and
07:18pay one hundred plus dollars to go to the game next week.
07:20That's a good idea.
07:21Good business model.
07:22Good business model.
07:23You might lose six in a row.
07:24You might lose seven in a row.
07:25You might be coming back to Boston.
07:26Try it.
07:27It was a game.
07:28Yeah.
07:29You're trying to end a seven game losing streak potentially going to come back to Boston and
07:32tickets are 90 bucks plus fees like it's not like and you're giving them nothing to look
07:38forward to in terms of the future.
07:40You're actively denying them players that are performing well in the minors right now
07:44under this this this fugazi idea that that you're you're a contender.
07:48You're not a contender.
07:50You've had 45 games to prove you're a contender and you're not sorry.
07:53So readjust recalibrate make it entertaining right now.
07:58It is painful to watch this team.
08:01There is no entertainment factor with this team right now and it sucks.
08:05It sucks everybody.
08:06It sucks for the team.
08:07It sucks for the fans.
08:08It sucks to write about it because as you said as we said it's the same thing over and
08:12over and over and over again.
08:14And I think Connor to your point you're hitting the breaking point with your fans where your
08:18fans are going to start tuning out because they're like I don't need this.
08:21It's 10 degrees out.
08:23I'll watch something else on Netflix.
08:24I don't care.
08:25I'll watch the Celtics.
08:26Yeah.
08:27Yeah.
08:28And again like you you are also a team.
08:30Listen we are a big I don't know if you know this we are a big hockey podcast.
08:35We enjoy hockey very much.
08:37We also very much know hockey's place in the greater sports sphere.
08:40The last thing you want to be is a mid hockey team even in a very passionate fan base like
08:46the Boston market because my God if we get another stretch like you know 15 and 16 and
08:52stuff like that and even that was maybe more of a retool but you run down a very slippery
08:56slope if you're now just coasting into being a mediocre pedestrian team when who knows
09:02what the Patriots do in next couple of years but they at least have a somewhat future you'd
09:07imagine the Red Sox have somewhat of a future the Bruins what do they got.
09:12And I agree like it's almost like the product this year is is bad when you know to compare
09:18to like the Patriots like this year for the Patriots was really bad but they were so inept
09:22on every side on all sides of the game that it was kind of entertaining as to how bad
09:26they were.
09:27Last year was miserable because it was just the offensive line was so bad and the quarterback
09:30was so bad you knew every game how it was going to end with a loss and with things that
09:35just going haywire.
09:36It doesn't the Bruins kind of the same way where it's not fun when it's the same things
09:39we keep on seeing.
09:41They play tough for 10 minutes they play kind of structured hockey then they take a bad
09:48penalty and give a power play goal or chasing the game have a lapse in their own D zone
09:52or you know can't clear a puck goal chasing the game and you know it's going to happen.
09:57This team has to work so hard for their offense that to one two goal game you kind of know
10:02what's coming.
10:03You start writing the game recap already because you know it's there.
10:06And to your point I like you talk about like you know Charlie Jacobs mentioned this this
10:11market these fans aren't do you know aren't don't have an appetite for a retool or rebuild.
10:16Listen I've talked multiple times about the dangers of a full blown rebuild but a retool
10:21in terms of going into this offseason or even the rest of this year with a purpose of acquiring
10:26assets like it listen like 15 through 16 was kind of miserable yes but like remember the
10:32excitement going into the 17 18 season when you open the year with McAvoy and Jake the
10:37brusque and Andrew Bjork who is still a top prospect at the time and Heinen who people
10:42kind of forget about but almost had 50 points as a rookie like there was optimism there
10:46with what you have with these players and if you're a team like the Bruins and this
10:51team just isn't it which sure looks like the case you got to do something and I think at
10:55least for right now it's got to before you start making the plans as to how you adjust
10:59this roster moving forward you got to call up the young guys give the fans something
11:04to look forward to I'd rather you like look at what guys like Lysell and Murky love and
11:09Patrick and do now and if they don't work then at least you know because right now they're
11:13not doing anything down in Providence that where are flaws they have what do you know
11:17you're seeing it up at the NHL level with the guys sitting pretty and comfy up there
11:20right now yeah and the other part of it too is like you mentioned 14 15 right like and
11:24that team wasn't trying to I mean that team is trying to compete they were trying to get
11:29much like this team is trying to compete however go back to that 24 15 roster you had a 21
11:35year old Dougie Hamilton you had a 23 year old Tory Krug a 23 year old Riley Smith you
11:41bring up a 22 year old Ryan Spooner you bring up an 18 year old David Pasternak like you
11:46weren't good but you saw glimpses of the future right and and who are those guys now who is
11:52that is it 26 year old Justin Brasso is it 27 year old Trent Frederick is it like like
11:59right now it's Beecher it's Lowry who else like like who else is on that list that you'd
12:05say it's a young guy they're bringing in right now and integrating into the game there's
12:08probably nobody right and so and so that's a part of it like you have to recalibrate
12:13and yeah and that's it you know I'm so happy you brought up like finding out what these
12:16guys are now right if we don't find out and then they sit on their hands in the summertime
12:23once again and then Don Sweeney goes up there July 1 and peddles some bullshit about well
12:28these guys gonna take their next step and then you give them September and nothing more
12:33what are we doing here well like like at a certain point you got to stop saying well
12:36down the road no no no no like it's here now it's here now like this isn't the NHL of 1999
12:43where guys have to spend three years in the minors and they come up and now they're on
12:46the fourth line and then by year five they're on the second line like no no young speedy
12:50offensive minded talent get a fast track that now and I can't sit here and say with full
12:56confidence that Matty Potra Georgie Murkaloff and Fabian Lysel are the answer I'm not I'm
13:02also not foolish enough to sit here and tell you that however I am confident enough to
13:07say that you will get the same thing out of those guys as you're getting right now out
13:11of the majority of your NHL players if not better because those guys are bottoming out
13:16and if we're going to delay the the development of those players to try to squeeze something
13:21out of Tyler Johnson Alder Wallstrom Riley Tufte Max Jones like what are we doing here
13:28and so that's that's the part where I think their development model is a little bit flawed
13:34and very flawed in fact that if if you're going to commit basically now it's been 300
13:40minutes and counting I want to say for those guys I just mentioned and 40 minutes for Murkaloff
13:4611 for Lysel 150 for Potra like you're just wasting all of our time you're wasting all
13:53of our time at this point and I think Bruins fans are kind of getting hip to that that
13:58it's different rules for different players and I think that if again if you're going
14:02to treat them to a product that is incomplete and flawed at least give them a glimmer of
14:06hope for the future or find out what the future actually is for this team right now
14:11right now we're learning nothing about this team yeah you need the clarity right because
14:15I agree like I think a lot of people are saying call these guys up and I think we're being
14:19realistic of that is not a guarantee that you're going to call these guys up and we're
14:23going to get to April and the Bruins have the first wildcard because Murkaloff's got
14:2821 points in 48 you know no like we're not saying that that'd be great we won't know
14:34until we see it but if these guys don't pan out then you know what at the very least you
14:39know these guys are not long for this team they're not guys and you can darn Sweeney
14:43and whoever's pushing the buttons you know this offseason can't look at a Murkaloff as
14:48a crutch to be like no really we don't need anything we can put that guy in there and
14:52then we can trade a 2025 first round pick or 2026 first round pick next trade deadline
14:58that's the case like this is essentially what the Bruins did when you know it was on behind
15:02the beat where they were building their roster and they pretty much admitted then their roster
15:06core was flawed but they had Murkaloff and Lysell guys that have not having an extended
15:12look up at the NHL level yet to be the placeholders or the what if you know the the wildcards
15:18there to kind of cover their ass in case that one of these you know the fact they didn't
15:23add a proven 20 goal scorer with that team so which again at the very least it's it's
15:30mind-blowing to me that they didn't bring in any forwards any forward to the squither
15:35with an even an ounce of scoring touch they brought in Riley Tufte they brought in Max
15:40Jones you know they bring in Castellic via trade I think who's been the best guy they
15:45brought in maybe like who's the second best forward they brought in this offseason behind
15:50Mark Castellic we both know the answer we both know the answer it's Cole Koepke like
15:56yeah like that's not that's not good enough I'm sorry like it's just not and and I like
16:03Lindholm I like him he does little things well he's far too quiet though he's far too
16:09quiet and you know I thought he had a good game against the Lightning I got to get more
16:14points out of him if he's making 7.8 whatever it is like I got to get more points I'm sorry
16:20like like I respect the little defensive plays we've we've lauded them time and time
16:25again I need my seven point X million dollar center to have more than 40 points I just
16:34do call me crazy it's got to happen and it's not and so on the wing specifically they don't
16:41have nearly enough help Cole Koepke is the best winger they brought in that is organizational
16:46malpractice it's one thing to do that and then bring along the young guys it's another
16:52thing to do that and then not bring along the young guys and say no no no no we're fine
16:57I watched them give Oliver Wallstrom a hundred percent ozone shifts for the first half of
17:03that game against the Lightning he did nothing nothing he's done nothing again and again
17:10and again and I'm so sick of them looking at him coming close at the door at the net
17:15front I was close to breaking through no no no no no no the Islanders learned this Barry Trotz
17:22Lane Lambert and Patrick Wah all learned this he's not very good he's not very good let's cut
17:28our losses bring someone along who might be part of the future for the love of God what are we
17:32doing here it's just it's so bad thing dude like I'm at my wits end because like they can't score
17:38five on five they can't score on the power play and we got it we got to try to bring along these
17:43responsible players they fed Frederick who has one goal in 15 games in Wallstrom who now has
17:50zero points in nine games they tried feeding them ozone shift after ozone shift after ozone shift
17:58and guess what they scored zero goals Wow Wow if only there were numbers that can confirm that
18:03they're not scoring right now like it's just it's insulting to your fans it's insulting to your fans
18:09to go no no we know what we're doing you guys you guys don't see it I'm watching with my eyes I'm
18:15watching a product that sucks it is a miserable shitty product and I'm like I'm like I'm begging
18:23you to free me from this prison please call up somebody who can put the puck in the net I don't
18:27care if I turn it over because you know what at least that's fun right now it's just nothing
18:31I think this team is has broken us I think we can officially say this I'm there I'm there it
18:39has I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry for going off I've just I'm very very annoyed by all of this
18:44no I think you were speaking for a lot of people with how the team is going right now unfortunately
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20:37there's been rumors going around of the Vancouver Canucks with Elias Pedersen and JT Miller who
20:44apparently hate each other and there's rumors that the Vancouver Canucks are trying to move at least
20:50one of those two guys naturally as is the case and a tradition every wintertime whenever a
20:56intriguing player is tossed out on the trade market Bruins fans would love to picture them
21:01in a black and gold sweater when you look at both these players they clearly fit in need for this
21:08team high-end skilled scores JT Miller's an older player which then maybe has more trepidation but
21:14paid through his age 37 season at 8 million yes exactly join the club both guys very talented
21:27JT Miller known as being a intense guy bit of a cage rattler I would probably say which maybe
21:34that's what a team like this actually needs is kind of a dickhead to come in to this group but
21:40when you look at the the needs for this Bruins team and the amount of choose your own adventures
21:46that the the Bruins could do this season is trying to pursue a trade like that where you're trading I
21:53mean definitely a first-round pick we know that but younger players key guys on the team like a
22:00soccer Carlo Lindholm players like that do you think a move like that where you are uprooting
22:07your roster in trying to get a guy that helps you now but most importantly helps you for the
22:13future especially if it's Pedersen's case is that something the Bruins should be pursuing and maybe
22:18more importantly is it realistic for this team yeah I so yes and yes and no because I think that
22:27that's more of an offseason move I just have a hard time envisioning them being able to do that
22:33yeah like I don't know like it's just it feels like there's a lot of work to be done there in
22:38terms of getting guys to wave there no moves in season we saw that a year ago right with Lena
22:43Solmark he wouldn't wave it to go to LA and he was honest he said he didn't feel like uprooting
22:47his entire life middle of the season he wanted to to finish out the year here and so I don't know
22:53the personal situation of a lot of their players in terms of like their kids and in school and you
23:00know like what like how's how does their their wife or their fiance like it you know all that so
23:04for me it's hard to see that but but I think this team does need a new voice in the room a new
23:11culture kind of rebuilder shapeshifter like whatever you like whatever term you want to use
23:18like like you need somebody can come in and kind of rattle it a little bit and I do think like you
23:23know I go back to in November when they fired Jim Montgomery I asked on scene Don Sweeney straight
23:30up I said do you think you have a locker room that is too comfortable are your players too
23:34comfortable a lot of guys got paid a lot of guys have no movement clauses I think there's 10 players
23:39that have I lose track of the amount of no movement clause they have on this team it's it's kind of
23:43crazy when you look at just how many guys are do we have that security yeah there's somebody as
23:48corpus all has a gun has like a no move no trade I'm like how does he have a no trade still I have
23:53a no like like on my bed but there's a reason why I asked I asked it because it feels like there is
24:01a comfort level within that locker room and if you can shake that up and make a major hockey trade I
24:05think you could be better off for it now there's obviously risk with that right like look at
24:11Calgary trading Matthew Kachuk and and yeah there are there are extending circumstances there for
24:16sure but you're not always a better team for it right like if you don't nail it down in terms of
24:22what you bring back like it might not work out but here's my question Connor do you get the vibe do
24:30you get the vibe that this team hates losing do you get the vibe that they live and die and hate
24:40games I haven't really got I've got a lot of the the usual responses after games where they say
24:48the things that make them sound accountable but then they keep on making the same mistakes so
24:51there's that you will right and there's been a lot of we're gonna be fine oh we know our game
24:58we're gonna be fine and I do think there's a level of comfort in that locker room and if you can shake
25:06that up and make guys a little bit more uncomfortable with the guy who's that's why I love
25:10Pat Maroon I know that he's old and he was washed but yeah I've said it before I loved like just the
25:16like the piss and vinegar of basically like fuck what you're saying we're gonna go out win the game
25:22I don't care like I don't like I don't care but just him just yelling at us in the media at the
25:27hands-cum air force base which again listen showed a lot more fight in that in which again was just
25:33mad at the entire narrative about the the Panthers like how much we'd rather honestly have
25:38someone like that be like no this narrative is fucking stupid what are we talking about here
25:41like we're trying to win a game like right that's a guy who gets it that's a guy who's won three
25:45cups that's a guy who knows how to cut through the again speaking from the meteor side the the
25:51circus acts and the narratives that come every postseason like guy who gets it you know and so
25:56you miss someone like that and so to bring it all home I would like JT Miller in terms of the
26:02attitude and the energy but Elias Pedersen is a guy that would make all the sense in the world
26:07because his team needs a number one center who's under 30 years old and JT Miller was like 28
26:13that'd be like yes yes yes yes yes but exactly yeah I mean I'd argue that you know if the Bruins
26:18could have been I would have loved for them to be the team that made that trade to get him when
26:23Tampa was cutting salary of course Tampa would probably never trade you JT Miller knowing how
26:28impactful he can be but yeah I I want someone who's gonna come in and rattle the cages because
26:35I do think there's a level of comfort here whether it's just the way that the arena and the practice
26:40facility is set up where players you know can kind of hide every now and then and and you know
26:46they live 10 minutes away from where they practice and it's a very good atmosphere very good like and
26:51this is sort of the thing right like like the Bruins have a good atmosphere when things are
26:54going well when things are going bad it's like yeah you guys seem a little too country clubby
27:00right now like like like I'm kind of sick of walking to the locker room after a ass-kicking
27:05and seeing Charlie Coyle sitting there answering the questions like in the questions for everyone
27:09yeah yeah like that like that it's kind of crappy that that Charlie Coyle is gonna be the guy to
27:14always fall in the grenade and and talk about why the team is not playing well you know and and so
27:20I I do want somebody in but I just don't know I don't do they have the pieces to make that kind
27:26of trade happen like if we're talking if we're talking money like so you got it you got to move
27:32one of Carlos Zdorov plus and oil Zaka Lindholm like I and and now every player we just mentioned
27:42that has either a full no move or a partial no move so yeah how we getting that to to work there
27:48and it's not like Boston to New York it's possible to Vancouver so I would be curious like they're
27:54like as to what happened like and I go back to Elliot Friedman back in what was it November
28:01saying Zdorov back to Vancouver just thinking out loud it's like I now I'm like well that makes
28:07sense like I don't like I don't know like with that would that work and you follow the goal
28:11does it go top four top four ish defense that's kind of what they're looking for I think so it
28:17is it is I was listening to a Vancouver radio show yesterday and they were talking about how
28:21the need for a top 40 on Vancouver is like dire right now and it's like whoa okay like like so I
28:28don't so I don't know it's just there's a lot of there's a lot of hoops to go through it feels
28:34like to make that kind of trade happen but I'm all for it at this point there's there's only one
28:38guy I'm not trading I feel like for the most part there's only one guy I don't want to trade David
28:42Pasternak it's the only guy I don't want to trade because I think that's the guy that if you trade
28:46him you're gonna spend you know 20 years looking for the next David Pasternak that's that's how I
28:51feel about that yeah no I agree I do think that again remains to be seen what the Bruins actually
28:57do but I'm all for a even not just bringing in a player but cage rattling in terms of shaking up
29:04this roster we're also in two or three guys that have been here for a while I shipped out to send
29:08the message across that what's happening is not working and something needs to be done but again
29:13as you said remains to be seen how realistic that is with the pieces they have they also don't have
29:18like you know a Patra or someone who's up at the NHL of right now producing that is an appealing
29:24trade ship like it's like I mentioned before I tweeted something of like another reason why
29:29you're not calling up guys like Lysel or Patra it's like well maybe boost their value people like
29:35well I wouldn't trade Patra for Patterson I'm like you're nuts I would trade Patra I would
29:39trade Lysel or I you know listen you get the short thing with the guy like that but again when in
29:45terms of making the money work and just the overall talent I don't know if they line up like that if
29:50that's what you're giving up because again it's like what we talked about anything last week like
29:53we don't want this team trading a first-round pick for not Jason Zucker that wouldn't get you a first
29:59round pick but like I got a short-term rental who maybe helps you score a couple of goals but it's
30:04not long for the team if it's a guy like Patterson or a guy that is good this year and can help you
30:09for the next five years I would do that but I don't know how many other pieces you have especially
30:15when you look at the fact that other teams shockingly would also want Elias Patterson and
30:20you look at like Buffalo with like Dylan Cousins and some of these guys like a lot of teams can
30:26beat whatever you have right now oh yeah and I think this also sort of alludes the other the
30:32other gigantic problem with the Bruins right now is that not only are they and they're mediocre
30:40they're like capped out they don't have cap space to bring in one of these guys like it's got to be
30:44it's got to be almost a money in money out dollar for dollar kind of trade like and that's what's
30:51like that's what can put you in true sort of like no man's land before you know it is that if you
30:56are capped out and you don't have the wiggle room to make kind of hockey trade it's like wow
31:01welcome to the welcome to life competing for number three in the Atlantic or a wildcard spot
31:07or missing the playoffs by five points for the next five years yeah yeah it's right now not
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33:06our good friends over at game time tickets uh ty to wrap this one up uh i think we're all in
33:12agreement that uh this team as the kids say it's pretty mid not great evan that's what evan says
33:19yeah that's that's what i've been saying that's what the street's saying um but looking at this
33:24team and where they are right now and looking towards the future do you think this is a team
33:30that i think why also burns fans are maybe despondent at the fact that you know this
33:34team could be looking at a missed playoff run but more importantly is this the start of a
33:40extended stretch of you know mediocre play or a longer retool or something like that
33:45when you look at this team and the way they're built in the ability for this team to kind of
33:50overhaul things do you think this is a roster and a team that is staring at three four years of
33:58you know maybe being in the mix but not not having it or is this a team that if they go
34:03into the rest of the season with a purpose and a plan and a impactful off season they can not get
34:09back to where they were a year ago like you know one or two in the atlantic but can be right back
34:14in the mix with a really impactful off season i think so much comes down to the decision makers
34:20and who they are and what they're instructed to do i mean i think we by now barring something
34:28completely unforeseen we we know that joe sacco is going to be kind of a one and done
34:33um so who do they bring in who do they bring in to replace joe sacco uh what are his ideas what
34:39are his methods does he get them to play faster um uh you know sort of system tweaks uh what can
34:47happen there like like for example like i i i think that going from kevin dean to john gruden
34:54was fantastic for the defenseman um in 22 23 um can you bring in somebody like that who gets
35:03who who gets your d more involved offensively um that'd be something i'd be curious about
35:08the gm i mean who's the gm who's making the calls because i i part of me wants a complete overhaul
35:15part of me want like i think they have some good people there but part of me thinks that
35:20the way they evaluate talent is not up to modern times it's not up to what where the nhl is trending
35:27um you know like if you're going to take a guy who's going to be a who's going to be a
35:35uh a high risk high reward kind of player well then you got to treat him as such and the the
35:41development model of a fabian myself to me kind of it kind of spits in the face of that like you
35:46knew all of these things when you drafted him and now you're shocked and saying he's going to work
35:50on this this and that and the minors it's like okay you know dean letourneau like if he hits
35:54that's awesome but he has two assists in 15 games or whatever for bc right now so you know like could
36:02that have been a better pick elsewhere a guy with more certainty um i just i i have a lot of
36:07questions about their that what they view as what works in the nhl in 2025 and so i want to think
36:15they can pull themselves out of it but this team has a has an unnatural fascination with guys that
36:21are six foot two and score at the front of the net and you got to identify more speedy skillful
36:28goal scorers and until they can identify that whether it's via trade free agency or in-house
36:36i have a hard time thinking that this is going to be a quick fix because you know you watch that
36:41game against edmonton on tuesday night look at edmonton's bottom six they they have five
36:49skillful kind of play skillful speedy players the worst player in that group is cory perry
36:55and he's there for the ride he's there to try to win a stanley cup like yeah punch in the face
36:59by trent frederick that's why he's there like let's be real he's not there to score 20 or you
37:04know even score 10 for that matter but then you look at the bruins bottom six who's the most
37:11skillful guy in the bruins bottom six it's probably justin brazzo which is like not a great thing to
37:18say out loud like it's just not and so i just like that part of it makes me i don't know i don't
37:26know if they can pull themselves out of this this quickly because i don't know the type of talent
37:31they're looking for is what's gonna work and get them on a fast track so to speak so i want to say
37:38yes but i i gotta say no until i'm proven otherwise at this point i feel like yeah i think if it if
37:44you're gonna do it it's gonna have to be one knowing when to cut your losses this year and
37:49then going into an off season with purpose in terms of making some risks making some moves and
37:53shaking up the roster because as you said there's just too much there's too many spare parts too
37:58many guys that don't move the needle in critical spots that you need to either move out and you
38:03know change the identity there or what like as you said like edmonton's got what like casperi
38:08capitan's in their bottom six right right captain's on the oilers yes yeah uh fourth
38:13line right wing on tuesday night yeah captain would probably be playing like 15 45 a night
38:18and a top six row for the yes he would he would he would be he'd be in their top he'd be the
38:24right winger right now with uh brad marchette and elias lindholm that's what they would do
38:28i'm not like i'm not even kidding like that that's what they would do every team it's kind of it's
38:33kind of similar to um the the situation with the patriots where you look at their positions and
38:39it's like every team has something better than you pretty much across the board there's maybe
38:45like one or two spots where you're like oh i actually like what you have here like like it's
38:50it's it's not great and this is the this is the sort of the pitfall of of trading first round
38:57picks and second round picks every year for for over half a decade like eventually the bill comes
39:02due and you have to go out and sign guys that are 28 29 and you're hoping to get three good years out
39:08of them and the final three of the final two you're like it's gonna be dicey but it this is this is
39:15sort of like we're witnessing it now right like we're witnessing sort of it feels a bit like
39:21late stage pittsburgh like to a certain degree like where pittsburgh was bringing in
39:26a lot of these guys before um before uh like like rust and genzel and those guys broke in
39:35like that kind of that like 2012 to 2015 yeah yeah yeah like that's kind of what it feels like
39:41where they keep bringing in these veteran types and you're like okay yeah and like you have marsh
39:46shannon and imposter not kind of like how they have crosby and malkin then but like even that
39:53like marsh aunt's older than crosby and malkin were back then so it's it's a little bit harder
39:57of a comparison but it's kind of where they are right now it feels like as a franchise
40:03yeah it's almost like you have to be pretty bold in terms of this offseason in terms of
40:08shaking things up moving pieces which again is i think like you can map out what they need to do
40:13right like you even look at like what the capitals did and like the capitals have benefited from like
40:17a lot of ltir and stuff like that so that has to be taken with a grain of salt but their team that
40:23found out in 23 they weren't going to cut it so they traded guys that weren't long for the team
40:28they did those things and then you look at what they did this offseason right with like
40:33signing guys like uh well the fact they made moves to bring in like peter luke dubois a depressed
40:39asset that they thought was going to be better there jacob chikran a guy who like most guys
40:43goes to auto and sucks and all sudden he's an impactful player there it's like i think you need
40:47to um be bold with your moves if you're the bruins and i have to imagine i don't know who's
40:54going to be calling the shots but they look at the fact they have swayman and pasterak and mcavoid
40:58that it's going to be more of like we need to shake things up because we have these guys in
41:02our prime we're not doing a four-year rebuild or four-year retool to have that happen like i think
41:09you have to be bold it's all about just how many moves are you know available to you when you've
41:15got so many guys tied up with the cap and with no movement clauses right that is where i think
41:20the issue is so i think you can go with the intention of being bold and really shaking
41:24things up but it's also you have to kind of parse through the you have to untangle the web that you
41:29kind of created with the way you've set up the cap structure and the contracts right now and that's
41:33where the big issue is yeah and the other part of it too is like when you're not picking in the the
41:40first round or the second round a lot like right you're you're kind of losing a lot in terms of
41:46like what you can do and what you can move like like look at the leafs right like the leafs like
41:51maddie nyes was the second round pick in 2021 uh joseph wool was a third round pick um they had
42:00carl uh grunstrom and another guy uh was the second round pick uh named escape me right now
42:06but like oh sean jersey was sean jersey oh yeah and they traded those guys to bring in um uh the
42:14guy doesn't play anymore i'm sorry jake muslin jake muslin but like right you gotta you gotta
42:19have picks and you gotta you gotta have prospects to either utilize or leverage into higher kind of
42:25trades and it feels like the bruins because they don't have a lot of prospects and they constantly
42:31jettisoned second and third round picks for quick fixes like you're often trading first round picks
42:38and you're trading your your first round pick either your future or a guy you drafted in the
42:43first round and so it's just a really hard way to live it's a really hard way to live in the
42:49modern modern nhl uh when you're either never picking up top or the guys you do pick have to
42:56be traded because you have no one in that middle ground to make a mid-tier prospect kind of trade
43:02um and and you know guys like us are sitting here you know clinging to the the hope that
43:07you know your second round pick mason lori who has to be better but is also in his just a second
43:13year of pro hockey and guys like maddie patra like they got to be the next great hope because
43:17you don't have anything higher than them like that that's that's a tough way to live and the
43:21bruins i think are finally feeling the effects of it um no shock by the way they're feeling it
43:27now that bergeron and craigie are no longer here two guys that were completely underrespected in
43:32terms of how important they were uh to your roster and to your franchise for years and years and years
43:38the thinking of that they're going to be here forever it's like all right well why are you
43:42drafting a left shot d in 2015 uh 17 like you needed you needed centers why why did you do that
43:52and so it is what it is but it is a mess that they're gonna have to work their way out of and
43:56it's it's not gonna be easy i mean no doubt about it yeah not great i would probably say uh right
44:03now ty uh this was a very therapeutic very relaxed podcast talking about our favorite hockey team
44:11uh ty before we let you go where can we read your stuff where can we hear you talk more about the
44:17bruins on the airwaves yeah you can hear me uh saturday morning uh 9 to 11 a.m on 98 5 uh 98 5
44:24the sports hub i found out last week by the way i'm not supposed to say 98.5 so if you hear me say
44:30that call in and yell at me it's just 98 5 i was like oh okay but i told my my my apd i said
44:39this is what happens when you give a writer a radio show i look at things very literally i
44:43see the point i go oh 98.5 he's like no no only 98.5 so 90 public sports sub uh 9 a.m to 11 a.m
44:50every saturday morning uh saturday show we're gonna have uh ryan johnston bob beers and billy
44:56jaffe calling in uh previewing a 1 p.m game against the florida panthers that'll be similarly
45:03therapeutic uh i have to imagine because this is not it's not been a fun uh week for anybody
45:08involved uh covering the bruins in any fashion uh you can also find me on twitter and x at
45:13underscore uh ty anderson uh also on blue sky ty dash anderson dot bunch of letters um on that i
45:21don't know how to share that website's url have no idea so uh yeah you can find me there and uh
45:27yeah basically anywhere else for that matter how about yourself yes you can uh find me over at
45:32boston.com in the boston globe we have you covered every step of the way this season with recaps
45:36features columns breakdowns maybe look look ahead to what this team is going to do at the
45:41deadline this offseason because then maybe it's the more pertinent stuff going on right now
45:45and you can also find me over at twitter x whatever it's called at conor ryan underscore 93 uh this
45:52was episode 294 of poke the bear i'm conor ryan that's ty anderson you fans have a great rest
45:59of your week
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