On this episode of Pucks with Haggs, host Joe Haggerty is joined by guest Evan Marinofsky to talk about the Bruins' five game losing streak and the "Fire Sweeney" chant that erupted in in the third period of a shutout loss to Edmonton
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00:00Pucks with hags is brought to you by price picks and the game time with hags powered by prize
00:07picks the exclusive daily fantasy partner of the CLNS media network. Welcome to the pucks
00:12with hags podcast. I am your host Joe Hagerty. You can find my work at joe hagerty.substack.com
00:17subscribe and get yourself a premium membership you get all of my NHL and Bruins writing sent
00:22straight directly to your inbox. I also write columns three times a week for the Boston Sports
00:26Journal. So go to bostonsportsjournal.com and check all of that out. This is the 156th episode
00:32of pucks with hags podcast. So thank you very much everybody out there for listening with me today.
00:36I have the New England Hockey Journal's Evan Maranofsky who you can see him in the New
00:40England Hockey Journal. You can see him at the prep school rinks. You can see him on Ness and
00:44what what what other uh what other outlets and things are you doing Evan? Give us a list of
00:49all the stuff that you're doing. Oh god uh well that stuff for sure. Bruins beat on the same you
00:55know YouTube channel as you and um I think you'd hit all the spots. I think that's some some MIA
01:03games high school and oh yeah occasion occasional Bruins game every now and again. So do you go to
01:08college games too? No I that's the one area that you know we do a little we have some you know
01:14writers who do a little bit of that. I don't get into that. I used to when I was with NCAA.com I
01:19was like their college hockey guy but yeah um I love the college game we just don't do like a ton
01:25with it. So yeah that's more like the features in New England Hockey Journal right? Somebody will
01:29go and talk to the kids. Yes that's exactly it. We'll do someone will do a magazine story on that
01:34but usually it's not me. I mean again it's for me right now it's prep prospects high school
01:39that's our bread and butter. So that's right that that is Evan Maranofsky's uh sweet spot is the for
01:44the preps talking to him about the young kids as they're coming up through the system. So he knows
01:49like the guys that are in college now because he saw them before. Uh well those team USA kids that
01:54won the uh the world juniors you've seen those guys plenty of times. Uh when Teddy Stiga scored
01:59that winner the other night I almost jumped through the television. I was like holy crap you know
02:03because I've I mean I've talked I've met the I met that kid probably two years ago and I didn't even
02:08watch him at Belmont Hill. That was like I just you know we did some stuff on him at the program
02:13and um I mean I I remember watching that kid play in a three-on-three league with the New England
02:17Crows at New England Sports Center and so uh so Danny this is getting into the weeds but Danny
02:23Resendez uh runs that and his son is Landon Resendez who's a BC commit who will go to BC
02:29next year. He's a great kid he's from Marlboro and I texted him after that goal and I said
02:34Teddy Stiga learned how to play three-on-three hockey with those New England Crows three-on-three
02:37summer leagues. Uh and I remember watching that so it's funny that uh to go to think back and be
02:42like oh my god that's where that kind of originated from. So yeah that's a fun job and that's a fun
02:48get payoffs like that which is nice. Absolutely and it's it's a small world too uh as far as the
02:52New England hockey world and the Massachusetts hockey world goes and Evan is right in the thick
02:56of it. Um let's thank our sponsors before we get uh to our show today which I mean the Bruins have
03:04a five five game. What are we talking about today Hags? I don't know what are we going to talk about
03:08today? Suspense is killing me Bruins five game losing streak people in the balcony chanting
03:12fire Sweeney in the third period uh you know uh the people pissed off and and booing and catcalling
03:18the team in the third period very unhappy with what's going on uh it's not a mystery as to what
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04:08it is game time game time game time is not game time for uh the boston bruins though
04:19no god no they didn't know the game started on on tuesday night they didn't know what time it
04:24i was shot 14 to 4 in the first period uh i would scored one nothing in the first
04:29period like really we're never in that game at any point um just some bad sequences um
04:35bad play from uh you know a lot pretty much top to bottom everybody some disgusted quotes
04:43afterwards let's get to this um as i said uh it's a five game losing streak now uh the first two
04:49games they couldn't score goals the second two games they just got beat um by like a goal but
04:55it was like kind of a shootout back and forth with both teams scoring and not a lot of defense
05:00and and you know i was talking to marsh and after about this after the game you can almost see the
05:04progression of the bruins straying away from what they do where they couldn't do anything
05:09offensively the first couple of games on that road trip against washington and new york you saw
05:14things loosen up a little defensively and they were getting a little bit more offense uh against
05:19toronto same sort of formula played out in the last game and now we see uh man just an absolute
05:29non-effort against the oilers where there was no attention to detail no defense
05:34no offense either really so they didn't even get the offense for sacrificing the defense
05:40and they lose four to nothing um a lot of uh that's as vocal as i've heard the bruins fans
05:47in the third period in a while just really being on the team uh the fire sweeney chant was brand
05:52new i'd never heard that before it's very audible in the third period um so clearly there's some
05:57upset at what fans are watching on the ice and like i understand it with the money that they
06:02pay for tickets like they want to see a good product and like that was part of the last month
06:06two months evan i thought one of the underplayed stories was they were playing really good hockey
06:11at home they were playing much better at home they were going to games they were putting on a
06:15good product for the fans like you know it was good they were in a good space as far as all that
06:20went and last night man was just the complete opposite 180 degree turn from that um charlie
06:26coil after the game uh basically asked what went wrong said they wanted it more i think it's pretty
06:31simple i think it was a basic lack of urgency a lot of things that are embarrassing to say right
06:36now they just wanted it more our identity is something we need to work on clearly we're in
06:40we know what's in here we've seen it and we've shown it but this last little stretch we've
06:44swayed away from it for whatever reasons uh and brad martian uh afterwards we don't need to score
06:50a lot of goals to win games what we've always tried to do is really be really good defensively
06:54and then we need to be comfortable in one nothing two to one games and we've gotten away from that
06:57a bit we're definitely forcing the offense at the wrong areas the wrong times and it is backfiring
07:03we also need to tighten up defensively and with that combination it's been a recipe for disaster
07:08so it's on us to play a better brand of hockey that we were before the holiday break it's in
07:12here we've shown that we can do it we just need to get back to that um i mean by and large i agree
07:17with what they're saying they are they are going to get back to it um but i think one of the things
07:22we've seen and charlie coil was was visibly exasperated after the game he looked pissed
07:27um and i one of the things he also mentioned was it shouldn't take you know five games to figure
07:34this out it shouldn't take five games to have a wake-up call where you get dope slapped by the
07:38oilers and decide oh we need to get back to hard work and and what we do to win games here um you
07:45know but i still think they're a playoff team i still think they'll be in at the end of the year
07:50even though they're like giving away games that they should be winning with some uh tampa has in
07:55ottawa have so many games in hand on them and every time they waste points or waste a game
08:00it's like hurting them as far as fending off those teams once they they catch up in games played
08:06but does like what what's your take on what we've seen the last five games and specifically that
08:11ugly ugly loss the oilers uh on tuesday night uh where the fans were just like ready and waiting
08:18to start getting uh about firing people and getting all over the players like how do you view
08:24last night in the scope of this season and what we've seen lately out of the bruins oh well it's
08:28fun i think you know you look at last night it's like if twitter came to life at a game that's what
08:34that would look like yeah i mean again i'll start with the oiler game you know i mean it looked like
08:39two two teams on completely different levels the oilers were faster more skilled higher compete
08:47one way more battles i mean they just trounced the bruins like four nothing doesn't do it justice
08:52swayman actually played really well i thought like you actually got a pretty good night out
08:56of jeremy swayman and i think that's why it wasn't a bigger loss and well i will say evan this
09:02edmonton's deep edmonton's got a freaking wagon they've got like adam and reek and uh and and
09:07jeff skinner hanging out on like you know second and third lines and and they've got a lot of
09:13talent on that roster that i think is much much higher talent level no question than the bruins
09:18and they're still like not even first in the pacific their second they're like they 53
09:23points they're probably like you know fourth i think they're like fourth overall in the west
09:28so like they're a good team they'll be a cup contender but like they've also kind of had their
09:33difficulties this year um i think my biggest takeaway like you know from last night and from
09:39the last bunch of games is they don't look like a playoff team they don't they don't look like a
09:44playoff team and they will probably end up being a playoff team they're in the playoffs right now
09:48the third in the atlantic still yes and that speaks to how bad the east has been how everyone's
09:53been underperforming it's a whole lot of mid but man like that product is not going deep in a whole
10:02lot of mid that is evans 20s are showing right there as we speak it is it is your conference
10:08mid a lot of me mid mediocre underperforming teams yes i sound like your son um isn't that great
10:17but it's true and i think so mid it's so mid it is and i think that's the thing that i look at
10:24and you know you know this team doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs that's the other thing
10:29like they don't play like a playoff team they have way too many off nights um well the gold
10:35differential i think they're the only team in a playoff spot that's a negative gold difference
10:39it's not even like a minus five it's like minus 25 yeah yeah it's i think it's the worst it's
10:45been all year um and i just i look at that and we'll probably talk in this episode about sweeney
10:51and what direction they should head in and i know they're trying to make the playoffs obviously i
10:57know they spent a lot of money on this team in the in the off season and look i thought this team
11:00would be way better than it has been i did i thought this roster i thought guys like elias
11:04lindholm and the key to the door off or at least elias lindholm would elevate guys and would create
11:09more offense and be better defensively and that hasn't been the case at all and um we'll get into
11:14that in a bit but my biggest take from these last couple games is they don't look like a playoff team
11:19and you know they can make the playoffs this year and that's all fun and games but if you're going
11:25to make the playoffs this year and potentially sacrifice assets you could get to help you in
11:30future years and to supplement this core better because clearly this core is not supplemented
11:35well the core is not doing much by the way poshnoch's been better lately but like the
11:39core mcavoy's been bad of late like swayman's obviously had an off year no mac boy has been
11:45terrible the last couple of games and last night was awful and really it's interesting with mcavoy
11:54i feel like he's kind of the bellwether of this team like you can understand and see where the
11:58bruins are going based on the way the mcavoy is playing um when they're at their best he plays 25
12:04minutes of like super two-way hockey um plays great in the d zone will move the puck plays
12:11physical you know shoots pucks from the point and gets them through does not make a lot of mistakes
12:16as far as being too aggressive offensively getting out of position like chasing things
12:22but when he gets into these stages like he is and he's one of the players i look at that it looks
12:26like he's really chasing trying to create offense um at the cost of doing his first job and what his
12:34biggest priority should be is being a defenseman and just playing you know that way um yeah you
12:40you can see a lot of that in his game and then there's other times where like you know he just
12:45got beaten by austin matthews on that play below the goal line uh matthews feeds it out uh for
12:51into the slot for the goal he's just getting beaten by another player uh and we see that
12:55happen sometimes too like that i can accept and that will just happen from time to time
12:59especially a guy like austin matthews but like when mcavoy is making mistakes like he's making
13:05like not playing his position and just doing things that he shouldn't be doing and kind of
13:09freelancing a little bit like that really hurts the team and it's frankly it's not something a
13:14leader should be doing like i've always had my issues with charlie mcavoy as a leader on this
13:19team like he makes the money to do it he plays the role to do it but i think the way he approaches
13:24things sometimes it's not what you want to see out of a guy in a leadership position that's
13:28setting the tone for everybody else and i thought last night was one of those games for him well
13:32did you see who didn't speak after last night's game by the way i was not there so i can't like
13:36judge yeah this is what was this this is what was asked for last night evan um at least from
13:42my perspective uh who we wanted to talk to after the game was the leadership group that's who we
13:48wanted to talk to we weren't given individual names if i want to talk to this guy i want to
13:52talk to this guy the message was we want to talk to the leadership group and you know who didn't
13:56come out last night as a part of the leadership group charlie mcavoy and david posternak yeah
14:02one of them came out to talk and that's been the norm this year for a lot of for for a lot correct
14:07it was charlie mack charlie coil front and center he was the first one who's been a leader by the
14:12way who's been a real public leader who i think should have a letter instead of one of those other
14:17guys i like i'm gonna go on this probably rant for the rest of the year and years after this
14:23until it changes until it happens charlie coil should have an a or not the c i think marshand
14:29is a good captain but i think charlie matt coil should have one of those a's um he should have
14:34a letter on his sweater he is a leader on that team he is a guy that demands excellence he is
14:39a guy that plays the right way he's you know talent wise he's never going to be the guy that's
14:43going to like carry them for like three weeks at a time and you know score goals like poster neck
14:48can but like the way he approaches the game uh the way he handles his business the way he does
14:55everything he's a leader like he should be one of the guys wearing a letter it shouldn't be about
14:59who's making the most money and who's the best player on the team just automatically getting the
15:04letter because some of those guys like they aren't consistent enough with what they do on a nightly
15:09basis to be a leader like they just aren't and you know i at times i put poster neck and mcavoy
15:16in that category and uh you know i i it was telling to me last night that we asked to talk to the
15:22leaders after the game and the first guy all by himself out there was charlie coil he was the
15:27first one to talk and then it was um lindholm and zidorov and uh trent frederick went out there to
15:34talk because of that you know poor choice in hindsight to fight and get in the penalty box
15:40and they gave up a power play goal and then uh and marsh and at the end and that was it
15:47yeah and that's been the norm this and that's why like we'll get into i imagine we'll get into sort
15:51of where they should go from here and i keep getting texts from people you know just fans
15:56or onlookers being like you know they're gonna trade everybody even trade marsh and and like
16:00you could get a lot from marsh and for sure but i don't trust that room losing marsh and i don't
16:07trust the leadership in that room if brad marsh and is not there yeah i don't i have yet to see
16:13i have yet to see enough out of david posternok or charlie mcavoy to get to see i just i haven't
16:18seen enough no and and and that is my my main concern not even you know i want brad marsh and
16:25retire a brew and not even you know what that might do to the rest of the room it's what is
16:30that leadership vacuum who is filling that because i don't know who would if they lost brad marsh and
16:36and one other thing i'll add about mcavoy and this is sort of he's been bad of late but another thing
16:42that this team continues to come up short on is a defensive partner for him yeah a consistent
16:47partner like love parker wotherspoon think he's a you know great journeyman yeah good 70 shouldn't
16:55be out there against mcdavid yep sorry like i see another parker wotherspoon just grab the puck
17:01behind his own net and throw it around the boards like one of those raps i do in men's league when
17:05i'm out of breath like i i don't i don't want to see that and that shouldn't be charlie you know
17:12that shouldn't be happening on charlie mcavoy's left side that's not parker wotherspoon's fault
17:16that's the front office's fault for continuing to not be able to find him a defensive partner
17:21is on and off as this guy gruzlik's obviously gone they haven't really found mcavoy a partner
17:27since chara left well like i mean yeah he was i think the problem and they would like and i'm not
17:33making excuses for mcavoy by the way no well and that's part of the point i'm gonna make is that
17:38like mcavoy is at a level in his nhl career where he should be making his partner better and not
17:45relying on that's the other end of it yes you know what i mean like he should be the one that's
17:49making his partner better and making anybody that plays with him a better player instead of
17:53like trying to find somebody that's going to make him better and is going to be the right partner
17:59with him like that's like that's a as much a mcavoy issue as it's a partner issue and i have
18:04the same problem with poster neck and people complaining that he's not playing with enough
18:08talent too it's like that guy makes enough money and that guy is established enough as an nhl player
18:13that he should be driving a line he should be carrying that line and making the other two guys
18:17better around him instead of complaining that he's not playing with enough talent and he kind
18:21of did that last year he did do that last year this year it hasn't been as prevalent yeah and
18:26and those are the issues i have like look there's a couple different ways to look at this um the
18:31bruins have downplayed matt grizzlicks absence and you know i think mcavoy struggled this little
18:36this uh a bit this year without grizzlick there as usual partner and the guy you like to play with
18:41before and if you look at grizzlick i think he would lead the bruins defenseman and assists based
18:46on what he's done this year in pittsburgh which is interesting um i'm not saying that he should
18:50have stayed i'm not saying that he's the answer because i think he's just somebody that could get
18:54picked on because of his size and really was not going to help you in the playoffs at all um so i
18:59think they moved on from him and rightfully so and i think you know a lot of these players that
19:05are kind of struggling at points right now and look slow at times i think are going to help them
19:09in the playoffs and they're going to be a better team in the playoffs for some of these guys that
19:12they have once the pace slows down a little bit in the postseason like it always does you think
19:17yes i do i do i think they're going to be a better team in the playoffs than they are during the
19:21regular season now now evan i'm not saying they're going to win playoff series because i am with you
19:26that they look like a borderline playoff team that's probably going to get in probably going
19:30to end up getting a wild card because i think tampa's going to pass them once they catch up
19:34in games play should tampa's got a lot of guys in hand they got like five games in hand on the
19:38bruin something like that and they're playing each other like two or three times in the next few
19:42weeks which will be really interesting um but i think tampa will end up passing them i think they
19:48will end up probably a wild card team um but and i think they'll end up probably being a tough out i
19:53think they'll probably play a pretty good playoff series uh whoever they play but i don't even see
19:58them winning a round based on what i see based on who they are like they would need to bring in
20:03a guy that can really help them offensively a winger that can really put the puck in the net
20:09help them offensively and kind of lock down um their top six and sort of solidify you know the
20:14rest of the forward spots um if they want to be even like begin to approach maybe beating a team
20:20in the first round although there's also the jeremy swayman dimension of like what if he like
20:26turns it up a notch in the playoffs too and like kind of you know shakes off whatever has been
20:31going on during the regular season and takes it to like the dominant level he was at last year too
20:35which he's shown that he can do like there's different things at play in in the playoffs for
20:39the bruins um where i'm not going to completely rule them out and say they're going to be like
20:44a flame out dud based on the goal differential and the way the way they've looked at their worst
20:49but i agree with you that they just don't look like they're legit contender they don't look like
20:55they're a legit like threat to like win a couple rounds they look like they'd be lucky to get to
21:00the second round right now you know they look like they're gonna win and they'd be very fortunate to
21:04get to the second round if they could get there like they're not gonna be able to beat a quality
21:07team in the playoff hags if the east was better if the east was not mid right if if tampa wasn't
21:14five games behind you and there's still one only one point behind you five games on some of the
21:19teams in the east had more riz that's what you're trying to say that's exactly it that's all they
21:23need okay but you know ottawa is i know they're missing lena solmark they were hot they've lost
21:27three in a row but like you know if tampa jumps up and kicks you out of the third spot and then
21:34you're in the wild card if pittsburgh turns it up a little bit if you know i mean i don't know i
21:39don't you know the rangers were better right like that's the other thing so like that's another you
21:42know the another team uh you even throw the islanders in there i don't trust montreal detroit
21:46philadelphia buffalo yet but like those other teams right they would be would be you know they
21:52would be borderline out of the playoffs maybe a couple points away from the wild card um and we'd
21:58be talking about hmm i wonder if they're gonna have like the 12th overall pick yeah maybe the
22:0310th overall like that's the way they're playing and that's why like you know when we get into
22:08sort of discussions of what this team should do i've kind of said this all year even when
22:11they've been really good of like please don't give up legitimate assets at the deadline no
22:16but i said that when they were good when i look at what they're doing now and how they're playing
22:21against playoff teams and if you notice they're losing by one or two goals to non-playoff teams
22:26and they're getting smacked around by playoff teams and it's been the the narrative all year
22:31they can't really beat good teams that's when they beat the capitals uh the two days before
22:36christmas it was like holy crap this could be something different um i just they should i don't
22:42think a retool is a bad idea the problem is the problem with that is i don't think they are down
22:48to do that because they believe if they get in the playoffs that you know with this roster they can
22:52go on a run and and that they're better suited for the playoffs and all that fun stuff
22:56um but again like i tweeted this last night who you have coming up you got the lightning twice
23:00you got the panthers then you got ottawa yeah and this was a hard stretch to end december and
23:05begin january and you're oh four and one already would not shock me if you're you know if you get
23:10one or two wins out of the next bunch of games but that doesn't salvage what has been a really bad
23:15stretch showing that against playoff teams and teams that should be in the playoffs like the
23:20rangers you're not quite there you're not quite there and that's why like again you know you have
23:26you know you have a guy like trent frederick who i just read the athletic has like an 11th on their
23:30trade board um which might be low considering they have like elias peterson and jt miller
23:35is one and two and i don't know if those guys are leaving vancouver yeah well i think you have
23:40pieces there that you could deal we'll get into this in a bit i imagine yeah either way i think
23:44they should trade trent frederick at the trade deadline i've i'm definitely like i think they
23:50can contend for a playoff spot you know they've taken care of kastelik they can take care of
23:56justin brazzo make decisions on those two to keep them at the expense of trent frederick and deal
24:02him for assets before the deadline i think you can do all that you know while still contending
24:07for a playoff spot i think you can accomplish all those things and i've i've been uh pretty adamant
24:13the last couple weeks i think they need to instead of letting frederick walk away like it's probably
24:18going to happen in free agency a la jake dubrask and tory krug for nothing you need to get something
24:26for him you need to get oh completely trying to recoup like maybe your first round pick that you
24:30spent on him that late first round pick certainly a second round pick and maybe a prospect like you
24:35need to get some assets back uh for that player before he like signs in st louis and goes back
24:40to montgomery or wherever the hell he's going and and the other thing is i don't think you
24:44necessarily need to do player for player you can get draft picks or assets back because you can
24:48replace his production internally yes you have matt patra call up mercula like i'm at the point
24:54where it's like i want to see this roster is not getting it done and i'm fine with joe sacco by
24:58the way not juggling his lines every five seconds i'm fine with that yeah but we've seen enough over
25:03the last couple weeks ironically enough the third line was actually their best line against edmonton
25:09but we've seen enough over the last couple weeks i want to see murkuloff i want to see patra um
25:15let's see what these young guys can do and i you know again you're not getting a lot of production
25:20out of frederick or um uh it is it is painful to me to see guys like that you're not getting
25:26much out of these guys it's painful to see how close wallstrom is to like scoring goals
25:31another one but he can't pop one in right now because you know that guy's dying to score a goal
25:36um all right we're gonna take a break and get right back to this uh let's stop and pause uh to
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27:09prize picks run your game i think i i agree with you that like frederick is not somebody that can't
27:17be replaced like i think you look at him right now he's really not even doing that much for you
27:23um so i you know he's gonna go to another team and like go right back to being a 40 point player
27:29everything you know it's gonna it's gonna happen it probably will but i mean you know you i think
27:35they're definitely paving the way to trade him put patra in as the third line center leave coil as
27:39the wing with lindholm and marshand like i think we've seen already uh sort of things set in motion
27:46as to what they believe they can do or will do uh once they make the trade and they're just looking
27:51at see how it all looks right now um but like i you know frederick is what he is like he's never
27:58gonna be like the absolute tough guy that you want him to be like the intimidating like you know
28:03power forward type guy like a milan lucic type player he's never gonna be that guy um he is what
28:09he is which is uh he's a pretty decent offensive player he's you know a hard-nosed guy he's he'll
28:15hit he's got good size every once in a while a stand-up for a teammate he's very well liked in
28:20the room like he's a good kid beat the bag out of cory perry last oh he did he beat the living
28:25stuff the bloody hand to prove it after punching the back of the 12 elder abuse it's crazy cory
28:31perry's still in the league he was winning cups when i was like in first or second grade the best
28:36part was cory perry in the box afterwards he's looking at frederick like what did i do
28:41he was like all up in arms about it um but like it was great that he got the frustration out
28:46but like he's also always been a guy like that that has bad timing with that like he's never
28:50understood the rhythm of when to do that when it's called i know the bruins were in like a
28:55little ozone sequence like they had just settled the puck down and i think they were passing it
28:59around when fred when all of a sudden you hear the whistle blow and you see all the fans stand
29:03up and you know it's the other end of the ice oh and it was the exact wrong time to do it because
29:07then mcdavid pots that power play goal and that's it you know it's freaking done um and but that's
29:13happened a lot with him it seems like there's always been like his timing has been off when
29:16he decides to do that stuff and even playing with like some traditional tough guys and traditional
29:22guys that have played that role it's never really rubbed off on him like the right way to sort of
29:27handle that role and to be that guy um so like i think it's possible and i think this is one
29:34i'm not i'm not in the fire don sweeney camp not even close um i think he i think bruins fans
29:40don't appreciate like what he's done over the course of his tenure here yeah i'm not there
29:44either by the way yeah i'm not so always trying to get me to say it i'm like i'm not no he's been
29:49fine over the last couple years yes but like i think the thing they do need to change the way
29:53they're doing business a little bit i believe and they need to view it a little differently
29:58where i think you're bang on when you talk about like they can't view it like oh we just need to
30:01get in the playoffs and swimming can get hot or these guys are going to play more like the panthers
30:06like we wanted envisioned when we signed them and like all this stuff is going to happen
30:10you can't keep everybody together wish for something to happen that you haven't seen
30:14evidence of all year uh and then you know bank all your future assets on it and uh you know
30:21turn away a few potential future assets and things that could bring you assets to do that i think this
30:26is a changing uh trading frederick before the deadline would be a change in the way the bruins
30:31do business and i think they have to do it i agree and it's funny i'm not in this fire sweeney camp
30:36i know a lot of people want to um you know nix him immediately yep and i think that that's i think
30:40that's bad business yep um you know i've said all along because when they fired montgomery people
30:46were like it should have been sweeney and it's like but it would never have been don sweeney
30:49because a is the gm so that takes longer to move but the other part of it is ownership gave him
30:57a big old pat on the back uh i forget it was one of the opening press conferences of the season
31:02they were all for for for don sweeney and cam neely and um you know they gave a multi-year
31:07contract extension after the 21 22 season we don't know how long that's for so it has been three years
31:14um i there's been no reporting about how this is his last year contractually so i can't imagine
31:19that it is yeah um where he won't where he would kind of lose that good grace right is if they
31:24start to fall out of the playoffs so that's like number one that's you know this one did shirellian
31:30yep but i also think like you look at sort of the money the money they have tied up contractually
31:35right pasternak has the no move which makes sense elias lindholm age 30 no move we did not expect
31:42this contract to look this bad at this point so that's like that's definitely one uh martian
31:48has the modified no trade charlie coil has a modified no trade 18 no trade list zaka but
31:53then on d mcavoy no movement hampus lindholm no movement nikita's a door off no movement
31:58um carlos a modified no trade 10 team no trade list uh swayman it'll kick in next year so like
32:05where he could get into trouble in hot water is those guys age poorly lindholm it's a door off
32:12hampus lindholm those contracts look bad over time yeah i'm saying if they do i'm not saying
32:16that they will yeah but if they do and they're hamstrung with that money that's when things go
32:22wrong for him i think the other big thing is you you do look at um sort of the the future they've
32:27mortgaged to make the playoffs over the last couple years and to try to win and that's not
32:32his fault i don't blame him for dealing first to try to get that 22 23 season no stanley cup it
32:38wasn't his fault that team pooped its pants like it just it wasn't um but you do look at you know
32:43when it's the age-old adage of like when a team's doing bad or a team is starting to struggle or
32:49starting to go bad a little bit look at their drafting and it's not so much that they've missed
32:54on players the 2015 stuff was 10 years ago at this point right yes it was relevant in the 2019
33:00cup final but like but but it's it's not soup it's we've done this before we've talked about it it's
33:07more so that they since you know 2019 they've made three first round picks yep that's that's
33:14what's tough with that and like you have years like 2023 where you only your first pick is a
33:19third rounder uh 2022 you didn't have a third rounder like you didn't have a first rounder
33:242021 you didn't have a second rounder 2020 you didn't have a first or a fourth like you know
33:30you made four picks in last year's draft in 2024 so like to me that's what's really difficult with
33:38this is it's not so much that they're missing on guys because they've hit they've hit on certain
33:43guys i mean it seems like they've hit on matt patra um you know i you know it's too early to
33:48tell what the last two years pelosi's been a bright spot at quinnipiac um you know low rye
33:54was a hit in 2020 yep um like you have this stuff you know jeremy swayman in 2017 but like to me and
34:03this is why you gotta recoup assets because the best way to supplement this core is not free
34:09agency no if anything was proven this summer it is that that doesn't do it you can you know you
34:14can get a good fourth line grinder and free agency for sure um or you get you know especially
34:20the bruins they see their wheelhouse seems to be fighting those kind of guys the backfill roster
34:25guys the bottom six forwards the bottom pairing d the guys that are overlooked by other teams that
34:30can come in and are legit nhl players that is their wheelhouse as far as evaluating talent
34:35and bringing in free agents i agree with you like they've not they have not done well as far as like
34:41uh spending lots of money on guys historically um and bringing them in aside from zdeno char
34:48yeah and i think that's the thing where it's like you know that i think that's across the
34:52league rarely do you have a team get a core guy out of free agency i think the rangers
34:57with panarin i mean that was like a one in a million shot that that guy would hit free agency
35:02the way that he did and and you know taveras a little bit with the leafs but like it's very
35:08far between brodsky too that's right that's another one but at the time we were like what
35:12are they doing i think they just drafted spencer knight or but my whole point is like
35:16for you you are gonna get your next core pieces through the draft and through developing and i
35:22think that's why it's so infuriating that guys like patra are not being brought up you're not
35:28seeing what you have georgie murkuloff is not being given a fair shot at the nhl level fabian
35:32lycelle we've said for a long time doesn't a lot of trade value let's at least see what he can do
35:36in the nhl i mean they gave him one game like i i think people want to see something different
35:43and i don't think there would be that much of a drop off from you know if you replaced frederick
35:47with matt patra and let's say you replaced uh oliver wallstrom just roster wise with like a
35:52georgie murkuloff or a lycelle would it be that different would it be that different i mean i
35:57would i'm with you wallstrom's come close to scoring i think you're still not getting a lot
36:00out of it i've watched i watched the game lycelle played and i've watched the games that wallstrom
36:04played and wallstrom is a much better player than maybe lycelle sure sure but i'm saying what
36:10you're he is a much better nhl player i i just feel like there is a big difference i like but
36:15also lycelle was sat for most of the third period in a you're up for nothing against because he was
36:20invisible he didn't do anything in that game like everybody was making a big deal out on the first
36:25goal everybody did help out on the first goal what's that he helped out on the first goal yeah
36:29he helped out a little bit did he get an assist no he doesn't matter he like it doesn't matter
36:33he pushed a puck down low or whatever like great you know he he didn't i'm not saying the guy when
36:38he had the puck and i'm not saying that people were acting after the game was over like he scored
36:44the freaking goal like they're asking him about like being out on the ice for the first his first
36:49shift where the team scored a goal somebody else scored a goal like he scored and this is like my
36:53thing with lycelle and what aggravates me is people are trying to make him out to be this you know
36:58bigger than he is or the people want him to succeed when it just hasn't been there and this
37:05is that was another example of it to me if he goes out and he makes a great pass to set a guy up
37:10he scores the goal himself i think go nuts you know write all these glowing things and ask him
37:16how exciting it was after the game when he's just freaking on the ice when other people score and
37:21make plays to score and they act like he was a significant piece of that when he really wasn't
37:26and he was you know he did something to help create that goal and what you know wasn't special
37:30that he was on the ice when they scored a goal in his first shift it would be special if he scored
37:35it would be special if he did something if he made a play he didn't do any of that and people
37:39were acting like he did after the game was over and writing it up like he did and this has like
37:44been a continued treatment of fabian lycelle i feel like all through his bruins pathway to
37:50development where people are just rooting him on and want him to be something that he's not turning
37:54into you know like i don't see an nhl player when i see him i don't see a guy that makes an impact
38:01at the nhl level same with murkulov murkulov i think is better than lycelle i've honestly
38:05liked his game a little more at the nhl level and i'm kind of with you on murkulov where i
38:09think they could bring him up and he'd be okay and he would certainly maybe help on the power play
38:13and there's some areas where he would help but if you put a guy like oliver wallstrom side by side
38:19with fabian lycelle and you watch the two of them play shift by shift you would say it's not even
38:24close like i've watched wallstrom a lot just to see what kind of game he has he draws penalties
38:30he plays more physical than i thought he did he definitely like can shoot the puck and get shots
38:35on net he is making things happen almost every shift when he's out there he's like this it's
38:40frustrating for him i'm sure because he's been very close to scoring a bunch of times and it
38:44just hasn't happened yet but i didn't see any of that and yes i'm with you maybe they'll give
38:50lycelle a few more chances and see if something pops and something else happens but i didn't see
38:54anything in that first game from fabian lycelle to make me think he deserved another shot or he
38:58needed another shot i i feel like on some level they did him a solid and brought him up before
39:03his parents went back to sweden so his family could watch him play even though he kind of didn't
39:07deserve it with the way he was playing in providence this year because he would have come up with the
39:11nhl at the end of last year and he got hurt and he didn't get his chance so they threw him kind
39:15of a bone during the holidays this year with his family here and it was nice but i don't think
39:20anything he did like playing wise in providence the first few months of the year really really
39:24deserved this promotion and he played like it when he got up here i didn't see a guy that was gonna
39:29it was ready to make any kind of an impact i mean i'm not saying he's sam reinhardt and i i think
39:34he's had numerous issues adjusting to the american game or to the north american game in providence
39:39for sure but we won't know if we don't see it up here and i think that's the one thing where like
39:43you know he's they've had him in their system for three years now i think so they've had their
39:49hands all over him for three years and i know that they're low on him i get that but wallstrom
39:55comes in off the scrap heap and i like wallstrom i do i like you know i've seen the same things
40:00you've seen but he hasn't been producing no he hasn't been producing and i think that's the one
40:04thing with that where it's like you have this guy come in who yes he was a 14th overall pick he's a
40:08local guy look i love that but he hasn't been producing and you have guys in the system who
40:13you've had for two three years now uh like you know murkuloff and i know murkuloff's not a wing
40:17he's a center yeah but still like you have guys in the system who have been producing who you've
40:22at least handcrafted yourself and you're not giving them some looks and it's not like this
40:28is a stanley cup contending team it's not like everything is working it's not it's not i'm not
40:33you know i'm not i wouldn't be shocked if they wave wallstrom at some point yeah because the
40:37production hasn't been there and i agree with you like he hasn't been a complete bust but you need
40:42to see what you have in those guys at least a little bit at the nhl level and they also could
40:47use a dosage of skill i know wallstrom has a great shot it's not going in right now the skill
40:53is whatever lycee at least lycelle and murkuloff there is that hope and there has been a little
40:59bit especially with murkuloff shown that he does have pretty good hands murkuloff has good hands
41:05he can create offensively why not try to see that at the nhl level because right now this roster
41:10these guys they're not bringing that dosage you look at seem like the oilers a lot of skill i'm
41:15not saying murkuloff compares to any of them but he has a little more of a higher ceiling skill-wise
41:20than a lot of guys on this current roster and i i don't at some point i'm not saying all three
41:26come up at the same time they're not going to do that and i think that doesn't make any sense
41:29right logistically because you know because it doesn't no but to me i mean you've got to see
41:34what you have um out of a guy like murkuloff and i do think out of a guy like lycelle too
41:39patra should be up i mean patra's been dominating in providence and i get wanting to build his
41:43confidence up for sure but this team needs a guy like patra and i think you know it's time for him
41:48to come up yeah i think he's deserved a promotion he's earned it and he will be up i think it's a
41:53matter of like the other shoe dropping before he comes up though there's clearly there's a move
41:56they're going to make that's going to open up a spot for patra i think in the second half of the
42:00year and he's going to come up and play and and the one real question about patra is just physically
42:07can he handle it you know he's still not the biggest guy in the world and he he was not fast
42:11enough to be eluding the big hits at the nhl level and he was taking some pretty good contact
42:17because he's not one of those guys that can skate out of it and and really elude those kind of
42:21things and he like to his point he's courageous like he puts himself in areas to win puck battles
42:26and to get the puck where he's gonna get pounded um and then you know i'd say that as a compliment
42:31but he definitely does it and you're gonna have a hard time staying in one piece when you're his
42:36size at his age if you consistently do that let's take a break real uh quick to give some love to
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44:35prep connections and having watched those games besides teddy stega uh scoring the
44:40overtime game winner which was pretty awesome because he's a local kid um what he's he lives
44:45in sudbury right he's from sudbury yeah yeah every kid so uh my biggest thought my biggest takeaway
44:51and i felt this way last year during the world juniors and the college season i feel this way
44:56this year for sure after the world juniors um i would give up anything anything on this roster
45:04to get ryan leonard yes like i would i truly want that kid the capitals hit that out of the park
45:12that was an eighth overall pick i was surprised he didn't go a little higher he could have went
45:15like top five and i think if they were redrafting maybe he does go six or five and that was also
45:20a stack draft you had mitch cough you had badard you had fantilly smith um i think he's a pro like
45:28i think that kid is going to be the second coming of matthew kachuk where there's production there's
45:33physicality huge pain in the ass hate him yes pain in the ass bruce fans are gonna hate that guy
45:39with capitals and i think any team in that division is gonna hate ryan leonard but he's
45:43someone you want on your team and i think he's a leader i think he's got it he's just got it
45:48he's not even like a huge kid either like he's i think he's like five ten five eleven maybe six
45:52feet um but like just a gamer and he's a winner and that's someone that like if you had the i mean
46:01the caps aren't trading him but if you somehow had the assets to like go for him and that's why i
46:06also say like you need first round picks you do you need to be making your first round picks you
46:13saw it with pastranak you know with the 24th overall pick getting him we're trashing mcavoy
46:17a little bit but mcavoy was the first round pick um guy you know guys like leonard getting those
46:22guys and yes you can get them later in the draft if you're lucky but in the first round you're
46:27getting you know potential stars and you know i think that's a great example and the capitals
46:32are a great example remember that 22 23 season they uh they dealt hathaway and orloff to you
46:38yep um little mini rebuild little retool and they're back in it now yeah like i they the
46:44peruans need to be prepared to take two steps back take four steps forward um and it's a
46:50roundabout way of saying ryan leonard is nasty and i would do anything on my team so if you
46:55want to get the next ryan leonard make your first round picks that's a great example though uh like
47:01what you just said about the capitals with that hathaway or a lot of stuff where they surprised
47:05a lot of people when they made that trade and people weren't expecting them to be available
47:08at the deadline and it was the capitals basically punting on that season as far as making the
47:13playoffs um but it worked out like they got a bunch of draft picks and it helped them replenish
47:20their system and that is exactly i think what we've talked about with the bruins need to be
47:26willing to do that this needs to be one of those years where maybe they roll the dice at the
47:29deadline by trading an asset or two to recoup some draft picks and some future assets and maybe it's
47:3650 50 they make the playoffs and you know maybe they don't um but it will help them replenish
47:42their group and get some cheaper talent guys on entry-level contracts over the next you know three
47:48four years that they are absolutely going to need given some of the deals that they've handed out in
47:54the last few years and you know to replace brad martian who's probably going to be retiring in
47:59the next couple of years you know like and then uh poster neck is getting closer to 30 and i feel
48:04like part of what we're seeing this year is him aging a little bit you know i i think he's the
48:10production is starting to slow down i don't know if we're going to see 50 60 goal each seasons out
48:14of him anymore as he approaches 30 now um and this is something i think if you're the bruins you have
48:19to really start thinking about as far as accumulating draft picks and accumulating assets to
48:24start replacing these guys and sort of you know reloading um while they try to compete at the same
48:30time but the capital's great example yeah and i also you know like i was talking earlier about
48:36that athletic trade board where they have you know jt miller and elias petterson up at the top
48:40and i'm not a canucks expert but i know that there's been some drama there and this or that
48:44and like you know people like oh go get elias petterson and it's like they don't have the
48:48assets to do that so like that's the other thing is like use the assets you have make your picks
48:54and as you said if you can and this is why i don't think trent frederick gets traded like right now
48:59i think it is like a little closer to the deadline because that's when prices go way up because
49:04people get crazy yeah like if you can trade frederick and recoup you know a second and a
49:09prospect or somehow get a first or get a first yeah do it i mean i like you know you also look
49:15at and i don't want to do this i don't want to do this at all but like i um kevin paul dupont
49:23wrote earlier this week in the globe a column basically saying you know the bruins need a
49:27seismic type trade so you know he mentioned the joe thornton one but then dupes also mentioned
49:32look they you know mcavoy and posh like you can't trade they have the no move and like there's so
49:39many guys that have that no move and he said well you know the only guys who don't who have some
49:44value you know like zaka has a 10 team no trade list coil 18 no trade list carlo uh is a 10 team
49:51no trade list like do you entertain trading those guys and zaka i think is a tough sell because
49:56that's pasternak's guy yeah i don't know if you can do that but like coiling carlo you wonder i
50:03mean those are your those are leaders those are leaders that kind of goes back to the leadership
50:07thing i mentioned earlier yep but like if you can get legitimate assets in return for one of those
50:12guys like i don't know something to think about it's tough because the right side on defense after
50:17mcavoy without carlo falls off a cliff yep um so i don't i don't know you know that does hurt your
50:22chances next year but you know you do have i don't know you have offensive pieces if you did
50:28deal coil like i don't think you're fully screwed you know if you're getting assets back you're
50:32again you're taking the two steps back to take three or four steps forward that you hope yeah
50:37the problem with that i guess is that you're trading guys that give you like an honest to
50:42goodness uh effort every single game you know what i mean correct you're trading reward guys
50:47yeah they're good leaders good people like solid like they give you everything they've got
50:53um instead of like trading out some of the the players that maybe are inconsistent in that area
50:59and you know you don't always know what you're going to get such as such as uh some of the bigger
51:04names on this team that would get you more value in return like but it would turn into a uh jacob
51:10truba uh level drama uh situation like history in new york unfortunately if no movement clauses
51:18didn't exist would you entertain a matthew kachuk for huberto type trade with with the
51:24pastor yeah i would i think i think i would be at a point like with what i've seen this year
51:30from poster neck and what the age that he is the salary that he makes like i would entertain it
51:38for sure um based on bringing another player in or based on just completely
51:46reloading the system with multiple first round picks and like a grade a prospect you know like
51:53you could do that and a pretty good roster player i would definitely and i think he would
51:56command a boatload pastor knock for ryan leonard first right yeah honestly would be like the what
52:03the thing would be right i'm not kidding no something like that yes i i think i i am beginning
52:08like i for a long time i was holding off on that i'm beginning to warm to like something like that
52:15uh you know being something to entertain do i think it's going to happen is it realistic no
52:20i don't it will never happen they won't do it they would never do it but here's the thing here's the
52:25thing i love pastor i think he's a phenomenal player yeah i think he he's your number one
52:29offensive guy yep he's been he's actually been pretty good of ladies you know well he got called
52:35out last week and he got called out for his production on multiple like by multiple people
52:40over multiple platforms and he responded with uh back-to-back to go babes which tells me a little
52:46bit too that it's in there you know what i mean it's just yeah and he performs in the he performs
52:50in the playoffs like that's not the thing but and this isn't posh rock's fault you have a lot of
52:55money tied up in one guy and i think and i and i hate when people do this so i'm kind of being
53:01hypocrite but you look back at like that 2011 bruins team right they didn't have a superstar
53:06up front they were just deep they were well-rounded guys were producing and the money was sort of
53:11allotted like that if memory serves you covered that team i did not yeah but like to me i do
53:17wonder if your your money would be tied up better if you just were deeper rather than just having
53:24one guy because teams realize that i mean you look at the power play they just focus in on him
53:28and during the playoffs they just are super physical they're all over him and i just there's
53:33not enough around him and you can blame sweeney for that too you can do that that's that's not
53:38really they're not by the way they're not trading david posh they are not i we're this is this is
53:42just you know shit this is talking uh in fantasy nhl world if there were no no movement clauses
53:48and uh you could do whatever you wanted but like i wrote a story last week that was fantasy world
53:52for the mia and prep and people are all like this this is journalism i'm like i said in 100
53:56times in the story this isn't real it's just something different than your typical rankings
54:01or your top performers it's something different i'm this isn't journalism i know it's not
54:07shut up lucky people do not like change evan they do not they hate outside of the lines they are not
54:14uh i forget what i was gonna say now uh as far as the bruins go um i i just think in this day
54:20and age with the cba the way it is uh it's the nhl is the cba is built for every nhl team to have
54:28two or three big money players and then very little middle class and then a bunch of entry
54:34level guys that's just the way it is now like there's no way to avoid that um it's really
54:39difficult to avoid that i think basically impossible and that was part of when the cba
54:43when the lockout happened when the cba was put into place a lot of people predicted what has
54:49happened was going to happen based on the way the rules were and that was it was going to look
54:53a lot more like the nba where every team has two or three guys that make massive amounts of money
54:58and then there's a few middle class guys and then there's like a entry level guys and bottom level
55:04guys all over the place and that's that's the way it's gone the middle class is gone and it's really
55:09difficult to build a team it's like america the middle class is done that's right and it's built
55:14it's basically it's exactly avoiding what you're talking about which is having like a bunch of
55:19really good players that you're playing paying like you know four to eight million dollars
55:24and and having a really deep team with a lot of quality players that's just not
55:28not the way they wanted it to work apparently in the nhl certainly not the way the players wanted
55:32it to work because they knew that this was going to end up happening where it was going to be
55:36very top heavy as far as the guys taking up all the cap space and making all the money
55:41yeah but we could go on we're not trading david we're not dating we're not trading david no no
55:45obviously we could go on and on forever uh but i will give you one last word evan anything uh
55:51to look out for in preps or anything you're working on for the hockey journal you want to
55:54talk about uh magazine comes out uh we have a magazine that runs six times a year comes out
56:00at the end of january a big story on what the chl ruling is going to do not just to college hockey
56:06but to prep to high school um to the whole call the whole hockey landscape hockey landscape is
56:12about to be drastically impacted and i go over all of that in their um new tv show comes out
56:19at uh at the end of the month we have a big feature on the river zone nines uh the irony
56:25of the world juniors and this is kind of the funny part of my job is um when the world juniors game
56:31started i was interviewing uh rocco pelosi who is the uh son of or not son oh my god the brother
56:39of chris pelosi yes who is uh you know just nasty guaranteed to make the ntdp next year he's a great
56:46great prospect yeah that kid's good and so i was talking to him for a magazine story i'm doing on
56:52him i started talking to him at the beginning of the game and then the next morning i was at rivers
56:57shooting a thing for the tv show with uh sam pandolfo fin sears and carter meyer who
57:02are also all should be on that national development team next year are really good
57:06you think they're all gonna be on it i think they all have a legitimate case for it and i think it's
57:11gonna be hard not to put all three on because they've been aligned for seven years and i think
57:17that that could end up being their the ntdp's next you know perot smith leonard line yeah um
57:23but yeah we'll see we'll see um but my whole point is all four of those kids could easily be
57:29on the next or not the next but world junior teams down the road yep um or could be definitely are
57:35all guys that are going to be drafted in the nhl at some point so um yeah look out for that tv show
57:40at the end of the month magazine at the end of the month daily content every day on the website so
57:44that's that and then uh and then uh evan will be writing the postmortem for the rivers uh hockey
57:50team's prospects of uh competing anytime soon when they lose all three of those players to the
57:55national that's right program too they're gonna lose a good amount but they'll still be all right
58:00yeah it'll be okay yeah there's a there's a pool of uh hockey talent that's uh unending around here
58:05we'll be writing i'll be writing the postmortem on this bruins team which is a lot more drama a
58:09lot more a lot more to take in all right uh thank you evan let's uh thank our sponsors again real
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