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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Senator Irfan Siddiqui PMLN
- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
"PTI Tehreeri Tur Par Mutalbat Deti Tu...", Irfan Siddiqui's Big Statement
"Muskurany Ka Nahi Kehkahe Laganay Ka Waqat Agaya", Sahibzada Hamid Raza Breaks Biggest News
"Guarantee Deraha Hon! Shehbaz Sharif Apne Bhai Ko Bina Bataye...", Irfan Siddiqui
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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
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- Senator Irfan Siddiqui PMLN
- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
"PTI Tehreeri Tur Par Mutalbat Deti Tu...", Irfan Siddiqui's Big Statement
"Muskurany Ka Nahi Kehkahe Laganay Ka Waqat Agaya", Sahibzada Hamid Raza Breaks Biggest News
"Guarantee Deraha Hon! Shehbaz Sharif Apne Bhai Ko Bina Bataye...", Irfan Siddiqui
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, I am Aneeka Nisar, with the
00:12programme At-Tarazeh.
00:13At this time, two things are of great importance in the country, on the one hand, security and
00:17on the other hand, politics.
00:18What happened in Khurram, despite the fact that there was a peace deal there, it is extremely
00:22worrisome.
00:23And in all this matter, it could have been resolved in a very good way, in a happy manner.
00:29If the KPK government and the federal government were on the same page, but since they are
00:34on different pages, the coordination with each other is perhaps not being done to that level.
00:41And a key role plays in this is the negotiating process that is going on between the government
00:46and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf at this time.
00:49It is clear from this what is going to happen in the courts and what is not going to happen.
00:53We will discuss this today.
00:54You have heard the conversation of the politicians, I will not keep it in front of you today because
00:59you have all seen that.
01:00We will go directly to the people who are the spokespersons of the government and PTI negotiation team.
01:07That is, Irfan Siddiqui from the government side and Sahidzada Hamid Raza from the PTI side.
01:12Both will be present with us.
01:13First of all, Senator Irfan Siddiqui is present with us.
01:16He is the senior leader of PMLN.
01:18He is the spokesperson of the government negotiation team.
01:21And he is Mr. Nawaz Sharif's close associate who is 25 years old.
01:26Thank you very much for joining me in the programme.
01:57I think everything is very clear.
01:59Those of you who are connected to the media and have a deep insight into the circumstances,
02:06you know that our first meeting took place on 23rd December.
02:11And in that meeting, first of all, PTI was not fully present.
02:16We can understand the reasons for that.
02:18They were right.
02:19They were on the right side, which they have stated.
02:23But one thing was decided in that meeting,
02:25that PTI will give its demands in a formal manner,
02:30in a formal manner,
02:31in the form of a charter of demands,
02:34so that we can consult with each other and react to it.
02:39This was decided.
02:40This was also written in the first joint communique that we issued.
02:46So there was expectation, as you said in your intro,
02:50that on 2nd December, the matter will move forward,
02:52the media will be in front of us,
02:53their charter,
02:54and a serious discussion will begin on that.
02:57Practically, our negotiations will enter a new phase.
03:02This did not happen.
03:03They did not bring the charter in that.
03:06And they extended that,
03:09their leader, Mr. Imran Khan,
03:14needs further consultation and guidance from him.
03:20They agreed.
03:21And they said,
03:22once again, our entire team should be given a chance to meet.
03:25We have facilitated it.
03:27If it does not happen today,
03:28it will happen on Monday, God willing.
03:30It will happen.
03:31They also said in the same meeting,
03:33in the second meeting,
03:34that we will need a week's time for the next date.
03:39We said, okay, take a week's time.
03:41So we are waiting.
03:42We are waiting for the date
03:44and we are waiting for the charter of demand also.
03:48These two things will come from them.
03:50But practically,
03:51where we were standing on 23rd,
03:54today, on 4th January,
03:57we are standing there.
03:58We could not move forward.
03:59Because until we get a solid document,
04:03it will be difficult to move forward.
04:06But sir, the problem is that
04:08you are all senior leaders.
04:10You know that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
04:12is Mr. Imran Khan's name.
04:13And until you meet him,
04:17there will be no discussion
04:19or facilitation about meeting him.
04:21Until then,
04:22such hurdles from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
04:24will keep coming.
04:25So will the government
04:26provide any special facilitation
04:28to meet him every time?
04:30Or will it be given an overall blanket cover
04:33that you are lying to Mr. Imran Khan
04:35about the negotiations
04:36that you are meeting him openly?
04:41Look, we also have a leadership.
04:45Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif
04:47is leading our team.
04:49Amir Muhammad Nawaz Sharif,
04:51we also have to take his opinion.
04:53Members of People's Party
04:55are also part of our team.
04:56They have their own leadership.
04:58There are people from MQM,
04:59people from BAP.
05:00All of them need advice.
05:03But it is not like
05:05we are constantly bothering the PM
05:09or telling Nawaz Sharif
05:11that we need time,
05:14etc.
05:15When a team is formed,
05:17it is given the authority
05:19to stay within the limits.
05:21Wherever you think
05:22that this work is beyond your limits,
05:24you can come to us.
05:26Now the matter is that
05:27the thing that they had decided
05:29in the first meeting
05:30with us
05:31that we will bring the Charter of Demand
05:33in a written form.
05:35So our opinion was that
05:36this matter,
05:37because even at that time
05:38they had a meeting with Mr. Khan
05:40that this may have been decided.
05:43But after that,
05:44when they came on 2nd,
05:45they said that
05:46no, we need more consultation.
05:47So we will try
05:48that only because
05:50there is no violation
05:51in the practice of negotiations,
05:52that we did not get them to meet.
05:54We will get them to meet.
05:56But if for a small movement,
05:58for a small thing,
06:00during the negotiations,
06:02during the discussion,
06:04during the talks,
06:05they feel the need
06:06that they will take guidance
06:08from there
06:09and give an answer to such a thing,
06:10then maybe
06:12they will not be able
06:13to move forward with full confidence.
06:14And there may be problems
06:15for the government
06:16as to how this thing
06:17can be seen practically.
06:18So, I am sorry,
06:19I am cutting you short.
06:20Senator sahib,
06:21may I understand
06:22in my lack of sense
06:23that you people,
06:24that is the government side,
06:25will not give an open freedom
06:27to meet Mr. Imran Khan
06:29whenever, wherever,
06:30on whatever day
06:31you want to meet him.
06:32There will be some
06:33rules and regulations
06:34in it.
06:35Is that right?
06:36No, rules and regulations,
06:37see, Anika,
06:38I am saying
06:40that rules and regulations
06:41are anyway there
06:42when they go,
06:43they go in accordance
06:44with some rules and regulations.
06:45We do not give them
06:46a blanket chit.
06:47We contact the Ministry of Interior
06:49to facilitate this.
06:50So, they act
06:51in accordance
06:52with the rules and regulations.
06:53What I mean to say is
06:54that the PTI team
06:55should get this much confidence
06:56from their chief
06:57and from their leader
06:58that they should
06:59be able to meet
07:00Mr. Imran Khan
07:01and meet
07:02Mr. Imran Khan
07:03and meet
07:04Mr. Imran Khan
07:05and meet
07:06Mr. Imran Khan
07:07and meet
07:08Mr. Imran Khan
07:09that they can proceed with the negotiations with full confidence.
07:13Yes, when a decision is made and they have to take guidance from their leaders,
07:18then they should definitely take it.
07:20But despite this, I am saying that we will not let the negotiations go wrong
07:25just because we did not give them a chance to meet Mr. Khan,
07:29so the negotiations ended.
07:31This will not happen.
07:33We will continue to give them a chance whenever they request,
07:36demand, we will definitely give them a chance.
07:39Okay, we are talking about meetings.
07:41Senator, you have met Maulana Fazlur Rahman.
07:45And my sources are telling me that in that too,
07:48Maulana was asked to take confidence in the negotiations.
07:53Senator, what was the conversation?
07:56What was Maulana's reaction?
07:58Considering that he had to struggle a lot to get his bill passed
08:02after the 26th amendment.
08:04Was there any loss of confidence after that?
08:10No, apart from political relations, I have a good personal relationship with Maulana
08:18and we have been friends for many years.
08:20And I can come to his house at any time with his permission.
08:25I came to know that he was unwell.
08:27The doctors advised him to take rest,
08:30so I thought it was appropriate for me to go.
08:33Our time was set, so I went.
08:36We had a long session.
08:38Maulana had good negotiations with his PTI during the 26th amendment.
08:46He also informed us of those experiences.
08:49Then he asked about our negotiations.
08:53I told him that the negotiations were not going on.
08:56The negotiations were held on the 23rd.
08:59The reason for that was that we were not getting the document
09:03that we were promised.
09:05When we get it, we will proceed with the negotiations.
09:08He appreciated that.
09:10He said that the negotiations should continue.
09:16Maulana has ignored all the excuses of his past
09:27and had good negotiations with the PTI.
09:31There was a friendly atmosphere.
09:33We were expecting that Maulana is also a part of his team.
09:39We gathered many of our colleagues,
09:42People's Party, Jawzul Haq, Aleem Khan, BAP, MQM.
09:49Maybe they will also bring their allies.
09:53But they did not include Maulana's team in the negotiations.
09:57They also did not include Achak Zahid, who was also their leader.
10:02Anyhow, I informed Maulana of the information I had.
10:08Maulana expressed his good wishes for the success of the negotiations.
10:13Did Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman give any warning in this regard?
10:17Because you said that he kept some facts on the basis of his past experiences
10:23with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
10:26Did he give any warning or suggestion?
10:29No, Maulana did not give any warning.
10:34Our team and PTI's team includes seasoned and experienced people.
10:42There are old parliamentarians like Asad Qaisar and lawmakers.
10:47Our team includes former Prime Minister Raja Parvez Ashrafzad,
10:52Deputy Prime Minister Saqdar, former Minister of Internal Affairs Rana Sanaullah.
10:58So, there are experienced people on both sides.
11:00There is no need to give any warning.
11:02We want the negotiations to proceed with good spirit.
11:05And I think they also want the same.
11:07But the difference I feel is that they are more cautious than necessary
11:13that something should not happen that their chairman should not tolerate.
11:18So, if they want to proceed cautiously, then it is fine.
11:21This is their option.
11:22Moving forward cautiously is one thing.
11:25But moving forward slowly is another thing.
11:28Because they have announced a cut-off date of 31st January.
11:32If this cut-off date is implemented slowly,
11:35then how will things move forward?
11:37How will the matter be solved by 31st January?
11:41Do you see this happening?
11:44I think one thing is to be cautious or to be cautious.
11:52Another thing is to proceed slowly.
11:55And the third thing is not to proceed at all.
11:58We are standing on 23rd December.
12:01After 23rd December, 2nd January has passed.
12:04But 2nd January was the continuity of the first meeting.
12:08Neither there was any solid result in it nor there was any solid result in the second meeting.
12:12Even in the first meeting, we have received requests and requests
12:16that you have taken the commitments that you have made,
12:19but they have not come yet.
12:20It is not necessary for a meeting to take place.
12:22They can go to the speaker and say that this is our demand.
12:26The speaker will send it to our committee or their committee.
12:30There has not been any development yet.
12:33There is not a single thing from our side that has become a cause for delay.
12:38This is a strange thing.
12:40The people who have given the deadline are being delayed.
12:44We have not given any deadline.
12:46We want to go beyond 31st December.
12:48And we also want that if the matter is settled before 31st December, then it should be done.
12:53Now see, it is up to them.
12:56If they bring their charter, then again it will come to our court.
13:01Then we will have to see what response we will give to it.
13:04Mr. Hussain, you are saying that you want the matter to be resolved before 31st December
13:09Do you want it to be resolved before 20th January as well?
13:12Yes, absolutely.
13:13See, I am saying that for us, it is not necessary to postpone the matter for a particular date.
13:22We have not set a date that if this date comes and if the result does not come, then the matter will end.
13:29This will not happen.
13:30If the matter is going on till that time, and we are understanding that the results are good,
13:35and the matter is going on amicably, then the matter can go on for 1 day, 2 days, 10 days, 15 days.
13:42And if we keep a fast pace, and if there are no delays, like there have been till now,
13:47then if the matter is resolved before 31st December, then there is no harm in that.
13:52I was talking about the date after 20th January, because Donald Trump has to take an oath.
13:56And obviously that is a matter on which a lot of leaders of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf are sitting off the camera.
14:05See, we have no interest in which revolution is coming, or who is taking an oath,
14:11or which government change is coming, or which party is going, or which is coming.
14:16We are least bothered.
14:18These are our matters.
14:20The political parties here belong to Pakistan.
14:25They are playing their role in the Pakistani system.
14:29If they have an eye, then fine, they can make their preferences according to that.
14:34But we are not looking at anything like that.
14:37If the PTI is looking at that, and if it wants to give us a date according to that, then we are ready.
14:44We are not looking for any excuse to negotiate, or to make a deal, or to adopt a policy against it.
14:54Mr. Sain, you said that it is a matter of patience.
14:57I said to stop and move on.
14:59You said that there is no progress beyond this.
15:03If there is nothing going on, Mr. Sain, and there is no progress,
15:06then there is a self-confidence in the members of the PTI.
15:11Mr. Hamid Raza is saying that it is time for us to smile.
15:14Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is saying that Imran Khan is coming out.
15:17What do you think is the reason for this self-confidence?
15:20See, I think that you should definitely bring them.
15:28Bring them tomorrow or day after in some program.
15:31It is good from our side.
15:33They should smile, they should laugh, they should have fun.
15:37And if there is a progress beyond that, then they should definitely do it.
15:40We do not want the people of Pakistan to be unhappy or disappointed.
15:44But everyone has their own reasons for happiness.
15:49There are also reasons for sadness.
15:51We are not sad, nor are we having fun.
15:54Our eyes are on the national situation.
15:56We want to take Pakistan forward.
15:58It is a terrorism.
15:59The situation is bad.
16:00Even today, the incidents that took place in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
16:04our eyes are on these things.
16:06So if they have this expectation and desire,
16:11or if they have any information that Mr. Khan is really coming out,
16:15then they have the right to laugh, to smile, to be happy.
16:20We cannot take it away from them.
16:22But since we do not have any such solid information,
16:26that is why we cannot show any reaction to it.
16:29So what was Mr. Wazir-e-Azam talking about,
16:32that day in Nooran, Pakistan?
16:34Senator, I would like to connect this with what Mr. Hamid Raza said.
16:40He is saying that we are laughing, we are smiling,
16:42we are sure that Mr. Khan will come out.
16:44And on the other hand, Mr. Shabaz Sharif is saying that I have doubts.
16:49Look, what Mr. Hamid Raza has said is about a personality.
16:56His laughing, his smiling, his happiness is about his leader.
17:02It is justified.
17:05Whatever Mr. Wazir-e-Azam said,
17:09in the background of what I was listening to him,
17:15or whatever he said after that,
17:18was all specific to Pakistan.
17:21It was about Pakistan's progress, happiness, investment,
17:25and the end of terrorism.
17:28So a person who is moving towards a destination for such a serious goal,
17:35it is not unusual for him to have doubts in his mind.
17:39It is not unusual for him to have doubts in his mind.
17:41Whatever he prayed for later,
17:43that may Allah enable us to reach our destination,
17:46and our affairs remain fine.
17:48So if you want to get rid of the doubts,
17:51by pulling it out of a sugarcane or a sugarcane peel,
17:57that his government is going and he is worried,
17:59then there is no such thing.
18:00Interestingly, Senator, when he was talking,
18:03when he was talking about doubts,
18:05he was talking about the relationship between the army and the government.
18:08So by talking about these doubts,
18:10doubts arise in everyone's mind, Senator.
18:14Don't have any doubts.
18:15Inshallah, the affairs are fine.
18:17Pakistan is in front of everyone,
18:21whether it is the institutions of Pakistan,
18:23whether it is the government,
18:24whether it is the institutions that have a common goal with the government,
18:35everyone is equal.
18:37No one has any such disagreement,
18:39nor is there any such line.
18:41And Inshallah, the government will complete its day,
18:44will complete its term of office,
18:46whether the Charter of Democracy has come out with some other results or not.
18:51After that, it has certainly happened that every assembly has completed its time.
18:56And this assembly will also complete its time.
18:58The Prime Minister has worked miraculously within nine months.
19:03This is not the Pakistan that was nine months ago.
19:06It has progressed a lot.
19:07So Inshallah, this journey of progress will continue.
19:09Don't have any doubts.
19:10Just keep praying,
19:11and have positive thoughts,
19:13and keep hope.
19:15Right.
19:16Senator, you are also looking very hopeful about the negotiations.
19:19There has been good hearing from the PTI so far.
19:22But a personality,
19:24whom you have also mentioned, Mr. Achak Zai,
19:26he is saying something else.
19:27What is he saying?
19:28Listen to that.
19:29I accuse the government of Shahbaz and Company
19:32that the government of Shahbaz and Company is moving this country towards colonialism.
19:36Shahbaz has been my friend.
19:38Shahbaz was also ready to become the Prime Minister when Musharraf was the Administrator.
19:43Negotiations are being held.
19:44Negotiations for what?
19:45Negotiations for what?
19:46Negotiations for what are being held?
19:47Is this government, with whom my friends are negotiating,
19:50is it a legitimate government?
19:52When they are doing it,
19:53we will pray in the name of Allah.
19:54That prayer is not accepted by anyone.
19:57Senator,
19:58he has complained about three things.
20:02One, he thinks that what are the negotiations being held,
20:04nothing is going to happen.
20:06Second, he says that this government is moving towards a problem,
20:10towards destruction.
20:12Third, he is saying that during the time of Musharraf,
20:15Shahbaz Sharif was ready to become the Prime Minister.
20:18What is the answer to these three things?
20:22Look, as far as I heard his speech,
20:26or as far as you have heard a few clips,
20:28the current Parliament,
20:32is not considered to be an elected Parliament.
20:34They say that these people have come under Form 47,
20:38and this government has been formed.
20:40But the interesting thing is, Anika,
20:43that Mr. Achakzai himself is a very important part of the 47th Assembly.
20:50He is sitting, taking salary from it,
20:52giving speeches,
20:53playing his role.
20:55Not only this,
20:57through this Assembly,
20:59he has also fought elections to be elected President of Pakistan.
21:03So, it is not a justified institution.
21:05So, you are also accepting him,
21:07through him,
21:09he wants to go to the highest position,
21:11by climbing his ladder.
21:12Till then he is fine,
21:13but now he is not fine,
21:15so he can explain it himself.
21:17The second thing he says,
21:19that we wanted to become Prime Ministers,
21:23you mentioned 25 years,
21:25I know the history of 25 years very closely.
21:29I know it as closely as Nawaz Sharif,
21:32his family,
21:33or Mr. Shahbaz Sharif know.
21:35I am a witness of such numerous meetings,
21:38where there were 3, 4, 5 people,
21:41and I am saying this with conviction,
21:43and I am saying this with a lot of confidence.
21:46I am not talking about any hearsay,
21:48I am not standing outside,
21:50I am sitting inside.
21:52Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
21:54refused more than 3 proposals,
21:58and said that everything can happen,
22:00I cannot deceive my brother.
22:02He was told a lot.
22:04Now, Mr. Bajwa,
22:06Musharraf was left behind.
22:08So, that is why,
22:09this is a matter of concern.
22:11Whose proposal was this, Mr. Senator?
22:13You are saying,
22:14Musharraf's case was left behind.
22:16I am saying,
22:17this proposal,
22:19this proposal came from Mr. Bajwa,
22:24that when our affairs were going on,
22:27there were problems,
22:28sometimes Uddaan Leaks used to come,
22:30sometimes something else used to come,
22:31sometimes Panama used to come.
22:33So, this was going on even in those days,
22:35and this message was sent to Mr. Shahbaz,
22:38but he never gave importance to these things.
22:40I personally know about Mr. Shahbaz,
22:44that he,
22:45for his brother,
22:47even for a moment,
22:49to deceive him,
22:51or stab him in the back,
22:53this is not a tradition of that family.
22:56So, this thing,
22:58Mr. Achikzai is a very strict leader.
23:00He is also a very good personal friend of mine.
23:02I think this should not have been done,
23:04because this is against the facts.
23:06Mr. Senator,
23:07my simple question,
23:08listen to my simple question,
23:10that,
23:11would the results of 2018 have been different,
23:14if Mr. Shahbaz Sharif would have been prepared,
23:17that he will take over the chair of the Prime Minister?
23:232018,
23:24now see,
23:257 years have passed,
23:27what happened in those elections,
23:30how,
23:31at 8.30 pm,
23:33RTS sat down,
23:34how the darkness spread,
23:36how the boxes were picked up and taken where,
23:38how the results were arranged,
23:40this is a long story,
23:41we don't go into that story,
23:43but I am telling you one thing,
23:45with guarantee,
23:46with guarantee,
23:47on the basis of my knowledge,
23:49that Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
23:51without trusting his brother,
23:54would not have done anything,
23:56and will not do anything,
23:57even now.
23:58Right.
23:59Mr. Senator,
24:00now,
24:01his brother,
24:02and Bani,
24:03PMLN,
24:04at this time,
24:05is very off the screen,
24:07not just the camera screen,
24:09but the leaders of PMLN,
24:11are themselves complaining,
24:13that Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
24:15came a year after the elections,
24:17did not meet,
24:18Mr. Khurram Dastgir complained,
24:20many leaders of PMLN,
24:22left PMLN,
24:24many leaders complained,
24:26that Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
24:27has a lot of facts,
24:28which he has suppressed,
24:30or which he is not saying,
24:31now he will have to end his silence.
24:34Mr. Senator,
24:35is Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
24:37being careful,
24:38or is there some other reason?
24:41Anika,
24:42Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
24:43at this time,
24:44in Pakistan,
24:45is the most experienced,
24:47and the one,
24:48who has the most experience,
24:50who has been in the government,
24:52who has been beaten,
24:53who has been in jails,
24:54who has been in the National District,
24:56he is the only leader,
24:57respected Benazir Bhutto,
24:59after his martyrdom.
25:01He has a lot of secrets,
25:04but,
25:05he is not among those leaders,
25:07he is not among those leaders,
25:09who,
25:10for their identity,
25:11for their personality,
25:12he will play with those information,
25:15or he will reveal secrets,
25:17or he will,
25:18just for a cheap fame,
25:20or for some media game,
25:22he will bring himself to the battlefield.
25:24Don't expect this from Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
25:26he is a deep human like the sea,
25:29and he will never come in any temptation,
25:32he will make his own preferences,
25:34when he has to speak,
25:35when he has to come to the battlefield,
25:37when he has to go to the gatherings,
25:38when he has to meet people,
25:40why did he make that decision,
25:43that I will not become the Prime Minister,
25:45and Mr. Shahbaz will become,
25:47I was present in the meeting,
25:49where this decision was made.
25:50So, these things,
25:51for the common people,
25:53or for the media,
25:54or for some other people,
25:57may be a matter of interest,
25:59but Mr. Mian,
26:00looks at the circumstances,
26:02understands,
26:03knows,
26:04when and what he has to say,
26:06it is not that,
26:07on the wish of the people,
26:08when he comes to the battlefield,
26:10he will start his own tune,
26:11and for the system,
26:12any problems may arise,
26:14or may not arise,
26:15so, don't expect this from him,
26:18that he is only saying,
26:20that we are saying,
26:21that we don't meet,
26:22we are saying,
26:23who is it,
26:24who has left because of not meeting,
26:26they have their own reasons,
26:28they have their own reasons,
26:30why have they left.
26:31But, Mr. Khurram Dastgir,
26:33you are complaining,
26:34what do you think?
26:36Look, complaining,
26:38in my opinion,
26:40I know Khurram very well,
26:43and he is one of the very talented people in our Jamaat,
26:46I personally don't think it is appropriate,
26:49that such a complaint,
26:51if the leader does not have time,
26:53or the leader is busy,
26:55or the leader,
26:56because of some issue,
26:57is avoiding meetings,
26:59then it should not be brought to the public,
27:02it should not be brought to the media,
27:04it should not be the subject of talk shows,
27:08they can talk to Mr. Mian,
27:11they can message,
27:13Mr. Mian is in contact,
27:15there is nothing like that,
27:16so, let's go,
27:17anyway, if he is not able to find time,
27:19then it is not a big reason,
27:21that you leave the party leadership,
27:23or start criticizing it.
27:25Right.
27:26Mr. Sen, last question,
27:27there was a meeting of the Apex Committee,
27:29and after the meeting,
27:30Mr. Ali Mian Gandapur complained,
27:32he said,
27:33the situation of terrorism,
27:35who manages the borders,
27:37the army,
27:38and there is a role of the federal government,
27:40they are putting a lot of responsibility of terrorism,
27:43on the federal government,
27:44and the army,
27:46is it entirely the responsibility of the federal government,
27:49and the army,
27:50and is the coordination between the federal government,
27:52and the KPK government,
27:54such that,
27:55the challenges that we are facing,
27:57regarding terrorism,
27:59can they be tolerated?
28:04I don't want to say much on this,
28:06but I will say this,
28:08that Mr. Ali Mian Gandapur,
28:12is a minister of a party,
28:15that has been in power for 12 years,
28:18some other party,
28:19for 12 years,
28:20maybe,
28:21in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
28:23no one has been in power,
28:25they have been in power for 12 years,
28:27the army is involved in the security issues,
28:29the federal government is involved in the security issues,
28:33you tell me,
28:34regarding the general development,
28:36regarding the infrastructure,
28:39regarding the local economy,
28:41in the streets,
28:42in the market,
28:43to rectify the situation,
28:44regarding the daily security,
28:46which is your mandate,
28:48after the 18th amendment,
28:49you have to do it,
28:50what action have you taken,
28:52leave that terrorism,
28:54we accept that it is our responsibility,
28:56or the responsibility of the army,
28:58apart from that,
28:59there are thousands of mandates,
29:01there are thousands of things to do,
29:03you have made Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
29:05the most backward province,
29:07out of the four provinces,
29:09the army is responsible for this,
29:11the federal government is responsible for this,
29:14you have no preferences,
29:16look at what is happening in Kurram,
29:18and the day 130 corpses fell in Kurram,
29:21that day,
29:22with the slogans of Al-Jihad,
29:24Al-Jihad,
29:25we used to attack here,
29:26in Islamabad,
29:27so was it the army's fault,
29:29or the federal government's fault,
29:31or their own preferences,
29:33so look at your preferences,
29:35don't taunt anyone,
29:36look,
29:37out of your 24 hours,
29:39you have taken out 10 hours of sleep,
29:41the remaining 14 hours,
29:43out of that,
29:4412 hours,
29:45will pass in the planning of the army,
29:51and you will meet your friends for 2 hours,
29:53and have a chat,
29:54so who will look at these serious issues,
29:57so they should not say such things,
29:59they should fulfil their responsibilities.
30:01Right,
30:02Senator Irfan Siddiqui,
30:03thank you very much,
30:04you joined the program,
30:05I was applauding you in the show,
30:06with this we will go to the break.
30:11Welcome back,
30:12after the break,
30:13Sahidzada Hamid Raza,
30:14is with us,
30:15from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
30:16the negotiating team,
30:17has a spokesperson,
30:19and the Sarwara Sunni Ijtihad Council,
30:20thank you very much,
30:21Sahidzada,
30:22you joined us,
30:23Sahidzada,
30:24on 2nd January,
30:25written demands were to go,
30:27they did not come,
30:28but you said after that,
30:29that it is time for us to smile,
30:32you did not give the demands,
30:34then you are saying,
30:35it is time to smile,
30:36then the Prime Minister says,
30:38the time for doubts,
30:40is also happening,
30:41what is going on,
30:42Sahidzada,
30:43will you shed some light?
30:46Bismillah-ir-Rahman-ir-Rahim,
30:47thank you very much,
30:48for having me,
30:49the first thing is,
30:51on 2nd January,
30:52the in-writing submission,
30:54which did not happen,
30:55the basic reason was,
30:57that the last meeting,
30:58with Mr. Khan,
30:59was for a very short time,
31:01around 35-40 minutes max,
31:05and there were many things,
31:08which we could not discuss,
31:10with Mr. Khan,
31:11in detail,
31:12and there are some things,
31:15obviously,
31:16when we demand the judicial commission,
31:19on 26th November,
31:21we want to name our missing persons,
31:24we want to name the martyrs,
31:26so all these nitty-gritties,
31:28they required Mr. Khan's permission,
31:30basically,
31:31and we required a long meeting,
31:33on which the government,
31:35agreed with our opinion,
31:37and it was decided,
31:38that in another 2-3 days maximum,
31:40we will meet with Mr. Khan,
31:42and when we meet,
31:43we will have a committee meeting,
31:44on the next day,
31:45InshaAllah.
31:46This meeting was not to be held on Saturday?
31:48Let me come to the point,
31:50was it not to be held on Saturday,
31:52or was it to be held on Monday?
31:53No, not at all.
31:54It was most probably to be held on Monday,
31:57it was not to be held on Saturday,
31:58and the news that spread today,
32:01was not based on the reality.
32:03Okay.
32:04Now tell us about the smile.
32:08I always smile,
32:09but I went one step ahead,
32:11and I said,
32:12that now is the time,
32:13to go beyond smiling,
32:14and start talking.
32:15Look,
32:16there were 2-3 years of suffering,
32:19there was a lot of suffering,
32:21there was a state of denial,
32:23from the government,
32:24from the state,
32:26they were not accepting Imran Khan,
32:30they were being cut off,
32:32then it was said,
32:33that all people's political careers were over,
32:35a lot of things happened,
32:36but at the end of the day,
32:38you had to accept Imran Khan's reality,
32:41you had to sit with his elected committee,
32:45and then we are political people,
32:47we have some breaking news,
32:49and some happenings around you,
32:53and then you collect all these things,
32:56and do your analysis on the basis of it.
32:58So my analysis is,
32:59that Khan Sahib is coming out soon,
33:02InshaAllah.
33:03How soon is that,
33:04Saadzada Sahib,
33:05when is he coming out,
33:06in your opinion?
33:07Not very long.
33:09I will give it a max 2 months.
33:12Does this have anything to do with Trump,
33:14Saadzada Sahib?
33:15Not at all, no.
33:17About Trump,
33:18Khan Sahib has made his statement
33:20from the last day,
33:21that the last Biden administration,
33:26has intervened in Pakistan's internal affairs,
33:29and took part in the operational regime change,
33:31and we expect from the Trump administration,
33:34that they will not intervene in Pakistan's internal affairs,
33:38and Imran Khan Sahib's freedom,
33:41will be based on the happenings
33:43that will take place from within Pakistan.
33:46So we are very clear on it.
33:48Saadzada Sahib,
33:49you said that the government,
33:50finally had to accept Imran Khan Sahib,
33:52had to sit with him,
33:53and had to negotiate with his team.
33:56But the fact of the matter is,
33:57that the government was always saying,
33:59come negotiate with us,
34:00sometimes they would talk about the Charter of Economy,
34:02sometimes they would sit together,
34:04sometimes they would sit with the politicians,
34:06Irfan Siddiqui Sahib,
34:07who was with me a while ago,
34:09he started saying,
34:10let's negotiate,
34:11but the PTI didn't want to negotiate.
34:13So we can say,
34:14the flip side of this can be,
34:16that finally Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
34:18had to accept,
34:19that the government is a government,
34:20and had to get ready to negotiate with them.
34:23No,
34:24maybe the government was late in convincing the government,
34:29that these negotiations,
34:31have the blessing of powerful circles.
34:35If the government had done this earlier,
34:37then these negotiations would have been done earlier.
34:39Because our point of view is,
34:40even today,
34:41that this government does not have the power to make decisions.
34:45The government said,
34:46that now we have it,
34:47and the people on the other side are also on board with us.
34:50So we said,
34:51okay fine,
34:52let's do it.
34:53We have put forward two demands,
34:55which I think,
34:57are the most easygoing demands.
34:59In any democratic, civilized society,
35:02there can be no bigger demands than this.
35:04We are not asking for any deal,
35:06basically.
35:07When we are talking about the release of prisoners,
35:09then we are talking about the release through a judicial mechanism.
35:12We are talking about the judicial commission,
35:14on 9th May, 26th November.
35:16So that responsibility,
35:17whoever it will be fixed on,
35:18I think it should be acceptable for everyone,
35:21and it will be acceptable.
35:22So I don't think,
35:23that the government has anything left,
35:25to run away from this matter,
35:26or to back off from it.
35:28Sir,
35:29the prisoners you are talking about,
35:31there will be two different categories in that.
35:33One,
35:34the completely political prisoners,
35:35who you think,
35:36were arrested on the basis of doing politics.
35:38But there are also those people,
35:39who broke the law,
35:40who took the law in their hands,
35:42who intervened in the government,
35:44and who attacked the government buildings.
35:47Do you think they are on the list of political prisoners,
35:49in the affairs?
35:51Yes,
35:52absolutely.
35:53I think they are on the list of political prisoners.
35:55The basic reason for that is,
35:56until the CCTV footage is not revealed,
36:00and a free, independent, independent judicial commission,
36:05which is made up of the senior judges of the Supreme Court,
36:08does not conduct an inquiry,
36:10and if it blames someone in the inquiry,
36:12then we will accept the decision of the judicial commission.
36:16And secondly,
36:17I accept all of them as political prisoners,
36:19because the people who attacked the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
36:24who attacked the Supreme Court Chief Justice of Pakistan,
36:28did it in broad daylight,
36:29in front of thousands of people,
36:31millions of Pakistanis saw it,
36:32all the media houses saw it,
36:34if they are also political people,
36:36then we are also political people.
36:38So, if it cannot be justified,
36:40then how can it be justified, Mr. Hamid Raza?
36:42Can two wrongs make a right?
36:44Number one.
36:45Secondly,
36:46if I join a political party like this,
36:47and start a riot,
36:48and I say,
36:49I am a political prisoner,
36:50let me go.
36:51So,
36:52did I get a clean chitna to commit a crime?
36:54Did I get a passport?
36:56No.
36:57There is a big difference between the attitude of both parties.
37:00Those who attacked the Supreme Court,
37:02till today,
37:03they have not talked about the Azad Judicial Commission,
37:07because they know they are guilty,
37:09and they were guilty that time.
37:11As far as we are concerned,
37:13we are demanding the judicial commission,
37:15and we are also saying that
37:17if the Azad Judicial Commission will hold someone responsible,
37:21then first of all,
37:22Mr. Khan has said that
37:23I will accuse such people,
37:25and they did wrong,
37:27I will clarify this.
37:29So,
37:30you see,
37:31there is a big difference.
37:32We are ready to take responsibility
37:35if the responsibility is fixed.
37:37We are ready to accuse.
37:39Those who attacked the Supreme Court,
37:41they were not even ready for its inquiry.
37:44So,
37:45there is a difference of heaven and earth in the attitudes.
37:47So,
37:48if the judicial commission is made,
37:50should there be any special judges in it?
37:54No,
37:55there should not be any special judges.
37:56There should be senior judges.
37:58We will sit and talk about it.
38:00There should be non-judge judges.
38:02The judges of the Supreme Court,
38:04we have a reservation,
38:06then we will understand some logic,
38:08if we will give it, then.
38:10That again depends on if we will give it, then.
38:12Otherwise,
38:13the Supreme Court,
38:14the entire Supreme Court,
38:16they have given relief to the current government.
38:19If you look at the election of 8th February,
38:21if you look at the decision to withdraw the ballot,
38:23if you look at the rest of the things,
38:25if you look at the military courts,
38:26who got the benefit of it?
38:28The current government got it.
38:29If you look at the matter of reserve seats,
38:30who got it?
38:31But despite this,
38:32what can we do?
38:33Mr. Chaudhary,
38:34was it due to the 26th amendment?
38:36If it was not,
38:37would the matters have been different?
38:41The 26th amendment,
38:42whenever a legitimate political government comes,
38:45I don't think it will remain.
38:47Because,
38:48look,
38:49our judicial system has already reached the stage of destruction.
38:52And after this 26th amendment,
38:54our Supreme Court has also been turned into a house of cards.
38:59There,
39:00it is not clear that
39:01the case has to go to your regular bench,
39:03has to go to your regular bench,
39:05the heads of the regular bench,
39:07by themselves,
39:08by themselves,
39:09by themselves,
39:10by themselves,
39:11by themselves,
39:12by themselves,
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