👉 Julio Moura, guitarrista del grupo rock nacional Virus, está siendo investigado por la muerte de su pareja, Andrea Gloria Murillo Rojas. Según el relato de Moura, la mujer habría fallecido durante un acto sexual. La justicia aún no ha tomado una determinación respecto a su situación legal. Hablamos con la psicóloga sexóloga, Lucía Báez Romano.
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00:00The virus, well, today it is also in force because the brothers of Federico Moura,
00:07in fact, the brothers of Federico Moura,
00:10kept singing and kept, let's say, with this group.
00:16Julio Moura has had, at least in the last hours,
00:22or has been the protagonist in the last hours of a criminal event,
00:28at least that is what the justice is analyzing.
00:31It is a real shock in the world of national rock
00:35because they investigate the guitarist of Virus for the death of his partner
00:40at first, apparently, while they were in a sexual act.
00:45It is his story, it is Julio Moura's own story,
00:49that he was at home spending the night with his partner,
00:53a 53-year-old Chilean woman named Andrea Gloria Murillo Rojas.
00:59The couple has been together for a while
01:02and it is the musician himself who calls his ex-wife
01:07at dawn and alerts her of this situation.
01:10He tells her that he was practicing sadomasochistic relations with Andrea
01:18and that she was lifeless.
01:20Of course, her ex-partner immediately goes out to the neighborhood of Villa Elisa
01:26for his meeting and in parallel he calls 911.
01:30When the ambulance arrives, the police find out that the woman was already dead.
01:36His story, at first, is that they were having this practice
01:43and that in this maneuver of affliction for pleasure,
01:48he ends up hanging his partner.
01:52She had a tie around her neck, they were in the living area
01:56where he says they were having relations in that part of the house.
02:00Of course, there is an investigation, Javi, now that will try to determine
02:03if this story is really loyal,
02:07where there was a consent and the strength of this man could more
02:13or, of course, investigate if behind it is a femicide.
02:17This, in the first instance, of course, has an open cover,
02:21of investigation and you have to work on the autopsy of her body
02:25to understand what happened.
02:27His primary story is this.
02:30Tell that they were having sexual relations with consent,
02:33that there was a masochistic practice where his strength could more
02:37and ends up taking his life.
02:39Of course, and there is Diego de Nicolás in the place.
02:43What is this place where you are, Diego?
02:54Moura, on street 419, here in the area of Villa Elisa,
02:59Partido de la Plata.
03:01It is a house with large gardens and there are no neighbors
03:07who are very close to this place, because the land is very large
03:11and there are no neighbors nearby who could have heard
03:15some kind of movement or some request for help
03:19or some abnormal situation to the usual.
03:22But here, after the expertise and the work of the police
03:27and the experts, they have already closed the doors of the place.
03:31There are people inside.
03:33They tell us that Moura himself could be here in the house,
03:37already at the disposal of the court and after making a statement,
03:41he would be in this place.
03:43Few people were entering and leaving this place,
03:47although no one has made a statement.
03:50And as we said, there are no neighbors nearby who could give
03:54any kind of additional data.
03:56Now we will have to wait for the progress of the expertise
04:00and the decision of the justice.
04:02Well, Diego, we will be attentive to your call.
04:06This photograph corresponds to the victim,
04:09who was, as we say, of Chilean nationality, 53 years old.
04:15You know that, well, part of what Mercedes told in this case,
04:21Julio Moura himself called his ex-partner.
04:25Of course.
04:26To come and shake his hand because he saw that his wife was dead,
04:35who was with him in that sexual practice.
04:38Yes?
04:39Let's go through this woman's Facebook.
04:42This deceased woman.
04:44She made handmade candles, she dedicated herself to art.
04:47And she was a fan of the virus.
04:48And she was a fan.
04:49There it is.
04:50Andrea Murillo.
04:51There is that photograph with Federico Moura.
04:57One of the traditional photographs of Federico Moura.
05:00There is the one in the middle.
05:02And to the right with the rest, right?
05:05Julio Moura, obviously, is Federico's brother.
05:13Look, there is a situation that Javi finds the police
05:16when he arrives at the house, which is what makes him understand
05:19and has a suspicion of what the musician wanted to do,
05:22perhaps trying to hide this situation.
05:25And that is why he is under investigation,
05:27because when he finds and enters the house,
05:29not only does he find the deceased woman with a tie around her neck,
05:33but they also find a rope hanging from a stretcher
05:38and a ladder under that rope.
05:43That's why he also has to give explanations
05:45about why he was in that place,
05:47if he wanted to simulate some kind of suicide.
05:51The other brother of Federico, who died years ago,
05:56the leader of the virus, is Marcelo Moura.
06:00Marcelo Moura is like the head of the new virus
06:04from a few years ago,
06:06when they re-edited themselves
06:08and wanted to continue the tradition of the band.
06:12And of course, they have had a transcendence.
06:16But Julio, on the left, is Marcelo.
06:19This is Julio.
06:21Now the one who appears, Canoso, is Marcelo Moura,
06:24who was obviously not in the place.
06:27This woman, who appears dead,
06:30in principle, the title is
06:32causal death investigation.
06:34At least that's how the prosecution has titled it.
06:37He is arrested.
06:39Justice has not yet made a decision about him.
06:43We will have to see through the expertise,
06:46first, the causes of death,
06:49although a compression was noticed
06:52in this woman's neck,
06:55some sexual elements that were also there in the room,
07:00and a fact that, the truth is,
07:02if this is so, it has already happened in other opportunities.
07:05Michael Hutchence, for example,
07:08the singer of Inexcess,
07:10died in the same way, in a hotel,
07:13during a tour.
07:15A compression, also in the neck,
07:18is due to a...
07:20I don't want to qualify it, but the truth is that
07:23some say it is to seek extreme pleasure,
07:26I have no idea, but
07:28some sexologists talk about that,
07:30of a dangerous practice, so dangerous that it causes death.
07:33Almost reaching death, right?
07:35It is that game between life and death,
07:37sadomasochism.
07:39She even appears with a short dress,
07:41lying face up on the floor,
07:43with a blow, that they think that the blow
07:45to the leg is previous,
07:47and he also has a blow to the leg,
07:49which they say is trying to help her.
07:51Yes, well, now it's part of the expertise,
07:53the autopsy,
07:55see where those injuries come from,
07:58if they are previous,
08:00verify, really,
08:02what causes death.
08:04He is at the disposal of justice,
08:06that's why Diego told us that after declaring,
08:08they let him go to his home.
08:10It is understood that the person
08:12most trustworthy to him,
08:14not having a neighbor nearby,
08:16did not call a friend,
08:18is his ex-wife,
08:20to whom he tells what was happening,
08:22and it is she who assists him,
08:25while he is calling 911,
08:27and also the police,
08:29to get to his home,
08:31where he shared
08:33some time ago,
08:35this relationship,
08:37this couple,
08:39with this 53-year-old Chilean woman,
08:41who finally dies,
08:43in principle, in this practice.
08:45You have to see what participation
08:47the ladder had,
08:49that rope tied to the rope,
08:51falling down,
08:53if it was part of the game,
08:55if he wanted to hide a situation,
08:57those injuries that are seen,
08:59there is a lot to continue investigating,
09:01in principle, this is what is known,
09:03but surely the experts
09:05are going to bring
09:07more accurate data,
09:09trying to see and determine
09:11if it is a sexual practice,
09:13or if it was something much more serious,
09:15with intention, by Moura.
09:17That's what they want to know.
09:19Yes, also in a place,
09:21I don't know if we have the images,
09:23to see again,
09:25the type of house,
09:27the type of house,
09:29let's say,
09:31some noise, some sound,
09:33it would be difficult to hear.
09:35They are classic houses
09:37of that area,
09:39there in Villa Elisa.
09:41Yes, a kind of fifth house,
09:43they are also larger places,
09:45there in 419 and 131,
09:47which is the place
09:49where the events occurred.
09:51The police arrived immediately,
09:53when the ex-partner,
09:55in this case of Julio Moura,
09:57receives his call,
09:59she was at home,
10:01he tells her to go there
10:03to help him, to see what was going on,
10:05and she, on the way,
10:07calls 911,
10:09to warn that this was happening
10:11in the house of her ex-partner,
10:13where she was competing.
10:15When she arrives,
10:17the police were already there,
10:19they enter her and observe,
10:21of course, the statement
10:23not only of her, but also,
10:25in this case, of the defendant,
10:27the guitarist of Virus.
10:29We reiterate, there is a commotion
10:31throughout the world of Argentine rock
10:33because of this situation,
10:35of course, with Marcelo Moura
10:37at the head,
10:39a member of the group,
10:41the manager of the band,
10:43who has impersonated himself
10:45there in the prosecution,
10:47this is the prosecution in La Plata,
10:49they are trying to determine
10:51the causes of death,
10:53which in principle,
10:55according to the story of the musician,
10:57would have been during a sexual act,
10:59but they are trying to determine
11:01to see if there is any sign,
11:03for example, of defense of her,
11:05on purpose,
11:07for this issue linked
11:09to death.
11:11Lucia Romano,
11:13Lucia Baez Romano,
11:15is in communication
11:17with us, she is a psychologist,
11:19also a sexologist. Lucia, how are you?
11:21Good afternoon, how are you?
11:23Hi, how are you Javier, how are you?
11:25Good, well, I was saying,
11:27this type of sexual practices,
11:31unfortunately, have claimed
11:33many lives, right?
11:35Yes, yes,
11:37in broad proportion,
11:39but yes,
11:41what is hypofixophilia,
11:43which is how we call it,
11:45usually has
11:47deaths,
11:49where there would not be
11:51the end,
11:53but if the situation of obstructing
11:55breathing,
11:57both to the partner and to himself,
11:59can lead to
12:01death, despite the fact that
12:03this has to do with sexual pleasure.
12:05Sure, what it does is a compression,
12:07in this case,
12:09a compression of
12:11the throat or neck,
12:13and what it causes is
12:17a descent
12:19in the rhythm of the body's oxygenation.
12:21Yes, yes, totally,
12:23it is like that.
12:25It can also be a plastic bag,
12:29that is another possibility.
12:31The problem is that
12:33this is a sexual practice
12:35that is used very little,
12:37but that is
12:39promoted
12:41in pornography,
12:43and that teenagers have access to this.
12:45This is the most dangerous.
12:47Maybe a situation like the one
12:49that this person suffered,
12:51who dies,
12:53gives us a place for prevention
12:55and to consult with suitable people.
12:57That's the idea.
12:59That's why it's playing at the limit
13:01between life and death,
13:03because it's a matter of two seconds.
13:05Exactly.
13:07It has to be consensual
13:09to know what they are doing
13:11and what is the place
13:13where it has to be touched.
13:15Because it's not always good.
13:17The dangerous thing
13:19is when it's a self-situation,
13:21that is,
13:23the same person
13:25wants to achieve it alone,
13:27and there are times when
13:29the neck is chained
13:31and they put it in a place
13:33where you are practically thinking
13:35that you are committing suicide,
13:37but it is also known
13:39as the petit mort,
13:41because what they want
13:43is the petit mort,
13:45the little death,
13:47which is actually
13:49categorized as orgasm in general,
13:51but what teenagers
13:53may be seeing
13:55is that to reach orgasm
13:57it is achieved by this method.
13:59The truth is that it is not like that.
14:01It is important what you say,
14:03because you said
14:05that in practice
14:07you have a safe place
14:09and in the face of ignorance,
14:11notice that these people are adults
14:13and in any case
14:15they end up in the worst way.
14:17Is there a correct way
14:19to be able to do it?
14:21No, there is no correct way
14:23because we are at a fairly complicated limit.
14:25The lack of oxygen,
14:27when the respiratory tract is obstructed,
14:29leads to the decrease
14:31of oxygen flow to the brain.
14:33There is a tickling in the body
14:35that makes the satisfaction
14:37unison that the orgasm comes.
14:39Then it may be that
14:41you leave death,
14:43but there may be
14:45serious injuries in the brain
14:47because you did not finish it in time,
14:49because they are seconds,
14:51as Javier said,
14:53there may be fractures,
14:55this may be that
14:57you hang yourself
14:59somewhere
15:01and the situation
15:03of feeling almost death,
15:05which is to play with this
15:07in some way,
15:09makes you fall
15:11and well,
15:13you break your neck too.
15:15You can break your neck.
15:17But there is also pleasure
15:19in almost enjoying the pain
15:21or the humiliation of the other
15:23in this type of practice?
15:25Yes, of course.
15:27What happens is that
15:29there are paraphilias,
15:31this is a paraphilia,
15:33which is called
15:35hypofixophilia,
15:37where a sexual fantasy comes
15:39to reach
15:41an intense excitement
15:43that is carried out
15:45with objects
15:47or with suffering or submission.
15:51Within the paraphilia
15:53there is pedophilia.
15:55Now, in these
15:57extreme practices,
15:59I thought a little
16:01about the pulse of life,
16:03the pulse of death,
16:05it's like playing
16:07between life and death.
16:09Yes, of course,
16:11this is played,
16:13the subjection
16:15and the situation of suffering
16:17and at the same time
16:19the active person
16:21in being able to do it.
16:23The issue of strangulation
16:25is that the person
16:27who is practicing it
16:29is seeing that he suffocates,
16:31it is a pleasure to see
16:33that the other person suffocates.
16:35Not only the one who is doing it,
16:37but also the one who looks
16:39or enjoys it.
16:41Lucia, you just mentioned
16:43this possibility of hanging
16:45somewhere and we just told
16:47that the police,
16:49when they entered
16:51Maura's house,
16:53the police,
16:55could have been part
16:57of this scenography of the practice?
16:59It's a little weird
17:01because hanging from very high
17:03we would not be talking
17:05about the same thing.
17:07What happens is that this is measured
17:09a few centimeters
17:11from the floor
17:13so that this chain
17:15or rope,
17:17whatever you are wanting
17:19to put on your neck,
17:21is solved quickly
17:23at the moment
17:25of the fall itself.
17:27If you are putting
17:29a ladder,
17:31we are already talking
17:33about something else.
17:35Sometimes they hang
17:37with a harness.
17:39Nobody judges,
17:41because
17:43they are practices that each one does.
17:45Lucia,
17:47have you seen this a lot
17:49more in young people
17:51or in adults?
17:53There is a trend
17:55at the moment for pornography
17:57because this is sought
17:59for example, how can I
18:01do to hold the erect penis
18:03and this appears.
18:05That is, a practice in which
18:07the boy is not used
18:09to this and thinks
18:11it is this way.
18:13It is the bad sexual education we have.
18:15It must be very sought out
18:17because
18:19to do a practice
18:21like this,
18:23if people have never done it,
18:25they must look for it,
18:27either as Lucia says
18:29in pornographic videos
18:31or pornographic movies
18:33or also in some
18:35applications or
18:37videos that
18:39come out on the internet.
18:41Actually, you have to like it
18:43because an impressive person
18:45because the situations
18:47of seeing the faces
18:49of terror,
18:51I don't know how to say,
18:53the eyes back, the tongue out,
18:55it is not very pleasant
18:57for some people, but for others
18:59it is very extreme.
19:01Yes, that's why I say
19:03and also, well,
19:05it's late, now it's late
19:07for what they have done,
19:09but it is very rare.
19:11You have to be aware of this
19:13That's why we wanted to talk
19:15with you, Miss,
19:17about this topic.
19:19Lucia, thank you very much
19:21for having attended us.
19:23Not at all, Javier, and I'm glad
19:25you are already interested in the topic
19:27because the idea is to prevent
19:29our youth.
19:31And the adults too.
19:33This woman was 53 years old
19:35and he was 68.
19:37The idea is
19:39communication and being
19:41ready for any sexual game.
19:43Yes, exactly.