Ernestina Pais comparte su experiencia personal con el consumo problemático y su proceso de rehabilitación. Destaca la importancia del esfuerzo individual para superar las dificultades de salud mental y cómo hablar públicamente sobre estos temas puede ayudar a otros. Además, reflexiona sobre la agresividad en redes sociales y celebra la recuperación de vínculos personales tras su tratamiento.
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00:00It shouldn't be easy.
00:02It shouldn't be easy.
00:03No.
00:04No, it's not easy, but luckily, I mean luckily, because it's a huge effort, it depends on you.
00:14So if it depended on external factors, it's impossible sometimes, right?
00:19But in the case of mental health, you have to make an effort.
00:24In my case, which has to do with problematic consumption,
00:29there are other issues that are of another complexity, of different complexities, right?
00:34I speak for what has happened to me, but I obviously extend my solidarity to all those who are going through this type of moment.
00:44And you know what, Marce? I am surprised by the aggressiveness of people.
00:48Did you see that?
00:49When I give this type of notes, of course, but I speak of networks, obviously everything that has to do with that,
00:56where there is something classic that they say, ah, this speaks of alcohol, but in reality it consumes something else.
01:04There is no difference, guys, between alcohol and other things.
01:08Sorry, the problem is not only that.
01:10It's not that it's less serious to drink alcohol.
01:12Cigarettes are also serious, and addiction to food is also serious.
01:17Food disorders, ludopathy, vigorexia, everything, mental health problems can end up in the worst of results.
01:33And this is a day-to-day?
01:38Yes, this is a day-to-day.
01:40Luckily, no, I take luck as a concept.
01:45With a lot of work, because it is not luck, with a lot of work, you can lead the day-to-day.
01:52Mine was problematic alcohol consumption, and I live with alcohol in my restaurant, here in Millon, where we are today, in this wonderful place.
02:02And how is the fight?
02:05I am surprised by the fame of Millon.
02:08It is recognized, yes, who has not been there, please, from the 90s, or not?
02:14My God, what a beautiful place.
02:1699? We have an eye for business, because after 2000, 2001, 2002, we opened in December 99.
02:27So yes, this year we turned 25.
02:32And when did you make the click? When did you say, you had boarding school, when did you say, I'm going to intern?
02:38Because one has to make the decision, you said it well.
02:41As much as the other comes and tells you, if one does not make the decision and accepts to deal with it.
02:49That's right, it started with signals, right?
02:53Because at first, now, oh, how funny Ernest, look how he is, then Ernest was no longer so funny, then the thing is growing.
03:02And since alcohol is legal, and since it is accepted that someone gets drunk, it is not as soon as perhaps other consumptions that you say,
03:13this is being serious, I don't know, the consumption of self-medication with benzodiazepines, things that are out of the norm.
03:24Instead, alcohol enters the norm of what is socially accepted.
03:29So, in 25 years of restaurant, I had never had a problematic consumption of alcohol, until the pandemic, with the death of my two partners.
03:40And with the restaurant closed, full of debts and everything that we already know happened in gastronomy, that's where it started.
03:51First it was to sleep, well, I don't know what to sleep, because I don't sleep, then it was earlier, then it was for a meeting, then I don't know what.
04:00I never used it to work, because to work you need to be super lucid to be able to drive.
04:07But I did use it at other times, outside of work.
04:12So, at the end of last year, when I realized that I was leaving the radio and I didn't stop until I fell asleep,
04:23I did TV and radio, as I have done all my life for 30 years.
04:28And I didn't stop, I didn't stop in the summer, I had a million, I have a business in Uruguay.
04:35So, the level of work was very high.
04:38And you had a couple of incidents last year.
04:41Sorry, Ernest, you had a couple of incidents last year.
04:44Yes, I had a fall down the stairs.
04:47It was like a chair that was like...
04:49I had a very violent fall.
04:51Terrible, they called it barbarities.
04:53Yes, they called it barbarities, but I'm already used to that.
04:59And precisely, one of the things that vulnerated me the most was what was said about me.
05:06In every sense.
05:08Whatever, it happens to all of us, right?
05:11But it vulnerated me especially because I have an image of a strong woman, but I am.
05:17You are sensitive.
05:18In many aspects.
05:19But as a good Pisciana, as a good Pisciana, I have a hypersensitive side,
05:25and everything reaches my heart and hurts me.
05:28Ernest.
05:29So, you started to cover up the anguish.
05:31Yes.
05:32No, first of all, I love to see you, and I love to see you well.
05:35I send you a huge kiss and I love you because you are always very loving to your answers.
05:40And I ask myself, because I say, it is also to raise awareness,
05:43because I imagine that this talk on television also helps many people who are on the other side, who are experiencing it.
05:48How is it to enter a rehabilitation clinic?
05:51How did you go through that process?
05:54By the way, Ernestina Pais, everyone knows you and they knew who you were in the place.
05:59How did you get them to contain you, help you and heal you in some way?
06:07The places of the serious clinics, right?
06:10The serious clinics obviously have absolute privacy of the people who are there.
06:15There are a lot of well-known people hospitalized.
06:18Some do not dare to speak later.
06:20For me it is an obligation to speak.
06:23Really, it is an obligation to speak.
06:25My task as a communicator does not end in what I can do with humor or in the present.
06:31Today I feel that this is my task in communication.
06:34I had help, well, in the first month I self-interned.
06:38I always tell it in a clinic that is divine, it is beautiful, but in reality it is like a luxury hotel,
06:43where there are freedoms that a clinic should not have in terms of addictions.
06:48Indiscriminate use of the phone, television, whatever.
06:53All that does not go when you are recovering.
06:56When I self-interned, because of the pressure of my family,
07:01I had that month, I left, I had a very big relapse in Uruguay.
07:06They got angry yesterday because I was already talking about Uruguay.
07:08It is not Uruguay's fault, guys.
07:10I had a relapse in Uruguay, I could have had it in the Congo.
07:13There is no Uruguay in this.
07:17I love Uruguay, by the way.
07:19Then came the pressure of my family in the face of this relapse,
07:24and they said, look, it's not a month, in a month you're not going to fix everything.
07:28So there came the six and a half months of self-internation,
07:33which I am totally proud of.
07:35I said when I entered, from here I go with the high,
07:38because there are a lot of people who leave the treatment,
07:40they think it's okay, and they say, ah, I was two months, three months.
07:44I said, from here I go with the high medical, I'm not leaving before.
07:47And then it was six and a half months, the first two months without contact with the outside world.
07:53No phone, no TV, nothing.
07:57No family, nothing.
07:58Only some other contact.
08:00Family, telephonically, but I had no visits, etc.
08:04It's strong, it's super hard.
08:06How hard is that?
08:08How difficult is that first period and how important?
08:15I scolded the parents, guys, it looked like a gremlin to whom they had thrown water.
08:19I mean, I swear it was a crazy thing.
08:23Because on top of that, with my personality, although I was totally determined to that,
08:29when they told me bye phone, bye TV, bye everything.
08:32You wanted to kill people.
08:33I almost bit the kid's arm.
08:35Yes, yes, yes.
08:37And Ernestina?
08:38You know, colleagues help you a lot.
08:42They've been there for a long time, right?
08:44Sure.
08:45I wanted to ask you, I don't know, maybe it's still too soon, but you are very smart.
08:51What do you feel that made you lose the alcohol?
08:55That you can surely recover, but you are a very conscious woman.
08:59I mean, what did you lose for everything you did?
09:04Look, I'm going in parts.
09:09There are people who, because of their addictions, for example,
09:12lose everything in gambling.
09:13House, car, everything, everything, everything, everything.
09:16In my case, you can see that, I don't know, Jorge Gisbourg taught me to erase very well,
09:21because in that sense, luckily, I didn't lose.
09:25Then I have very strong ties in terms of my partners here, from Uruguay,
09:30who told me, Ernest, here we bank you.
09:33Sure.
09:34And what one does lose a lot, first is self-esteem, absolutely,
09:40and you lose the bonds, I mean, the bonds break.
09:45It doesn't mean that you can't heal them later,
09:47but I remember the first time I had to have bond therapy,
09:52which is, let's say, a therapist who takes care of the recovery of your ties.
09:59Yes.
10:00And he told me, I remember, I'm not going to forget anymore.
10:02He came in and told me, look, Ernest, I talked to your family, your wife,
10:06you have all the broken bonds, all of them.
10:09It's not that they stopped loving you, but they are afraid.
10:13They stopped trusting you.
10:14They are afraid of seeing you.
10:15Yes.
10:16Of course, they are distressed, some are tired.
10:20I think that's what hit me the hardest, you know, when I found out.
10:28And what happens after that?
10:30Because one is anesthetized.
10:31Of course.
10:32Watch out, you lose them, sorry to interrupt, you lose them before,
10:35but since one is anesthetized, he is not aware that this happened.
10:40And he manages to regroup.
10:44Yes, today I am in full with everyone.
10:47There is even something very strong that happened to me.
10:50I recovered bonds, perhaps broken years ago.
10:53Look.
10:54Of friends who perhaps, when they did not tolerate, did not tolerate,
10:59could not deal with that situation.
11:02And then they moved away, but not out of malice.
11:06Because I remember that a friend of mine, for example, told me,
11:09look, Ernest, I didn't want to be your nurse anymore.
11:11Of course.
11:12Do you understand?
11:13And then those things happened.
11:15Of course.
11:16And those friends all came back.
11:18Beautiful.
11:19All, all, all.
11:20And today, with my family, everything is back together.
11:25Cristina, how do you realize, for the people who listen,
11:28that moment when you have to be hospitalized?
11:31How is it to say, well, I grab the bag.
11:34How do you realize?
11:35Because everyone who is going through this situation ...
11:37Sorry I didn't hear the first part of the question, excuse me.
11:40How do you realize that it is the moment of hospitalization?
11:43Because everyone thinks the time has not come.
11:46How do you realize that it is that terrible moment
11:49when you have to grab the bag and leave for the place?
11:54It happened to me that in the last period of consumption,
11:57I consumed crying.
11:59Oh, my love.
12:00I mean, I couldn't stand it anymore.
12:02I couldn't stand it anymore.
12:04I didn't want to know anything else about it.
12:06I'm not a person, and those who know me know it,
12:09I'm a hard-working girl,
12:11very hard-working,
12:13who has been lucky to be recognized in the environment I work in.
12:18But at one point my psyche collapsed,
12:23my heart, my soul,
12:26I cried, I cried non-stop.
12:28And many of my friends,
12:31as I tell you,
12:32my friends and my family told me,
12:34so far, Ernest, if you don't do something,
12:36we're done.
12:39And it was a passion, with affection,
12:41for love, not for abandonment,
12:44but for love.
12:46Obviously.
12:51Ernestina, you have now regained your self-esteem
12:54and you have regained your family, your bonds,
12:57what you are saying,
12:58and your job too,
12:59because now you have a new project, right?
13:01Yes.
13:04I have new projects.
13:06This year they offered me to do radio and TV.
13:08I said, obviously, that I will not fill myself with things again,
13:12because precisely that was one of the things,
13:14as Carmen told me the other day,
13:16your first addiction was work.
13:19And it's true.
13:20My first addiction was work.
13:22So, to give up,
13:25one begins to resort to a lot of things.
13:28Because it's like that,
13:30everyone makes you believe that this is the moment,
13:32I remember, I don't know,
13:33when in the crest of the wave, up there,
13:35someone falls,
13:36informal manners,
13:37worse is nothing,
13:38forget the phone.
13:40And everyone tells you,
13:41grab this, you can't leave this.
13:43And today I say,
13:44yes, I can not do that,
13:46because I require other things.
13:48Today I am very happy with Millon,
13:51we are with a TV show project
13:54that has to do with gastronomy
13:56and with musicians and artists,
13:59which will be for next year.
14:01Yes, beautiful.
14:03Then, obviously, I have my project in Uruguay
14:06with gastronomy too,
14:08a laboratory for the production of gastronomic mushrooms,
14:11mushrooms for high-end gastronomy,
14:13which is great.
14:15Then, obviously, look,
14:18I had approved by patronage
14:20the script of a movie
14:22and it was taking a long time to deliver it
14:24and at the boarding school I finished it,
14:26so the script is finished.
14:28Now, obviously, we need to correct it,
14:31clean it, scratch it, as they say,
14:34but it's there, so I'm very happy.
14:36And what about the theater functions in Millon?
14:41Now, well, obviously not in the summer,
14:44but in Millon we have three,
14:46that's why I say,
14:47I dispel the artistic vice in many ways.
14:50In Millon we had this year
14:53three plays,
14:55one was called You are Here,
14:56the other was called Pastiche,
14:58and the other was called Don't Tell Me My Love,
15:00which will resume from March.
15:03Oh, well, Martina,
15:04it's a pleasure,
15:05I would stay all afternoon chatting with you,
15:07because I have a lot of consultations.
15:09And you have to do the Vittel Tone, guys.
15:11Yes, you have to do the Vittel Tone, it's true.
15:13What, what?
15:14You have to do the Vittel Tone.
15:15You have to do the Vittel Tone.
15:16Of course, we have to go to cook.
15:18Thank you for giving us your mobile, Vittel Tone.
15:20Well, just one message,
15:21just one message.
15:23First, thank you for doing it here in Millon,
15:25for no one it's 48 in Recoleta.
15:27But next,
15:28not the pyrotechnics, please,
15:31and if you're going to drink, don't drive.
15:34Please, be careful.
15:36There are a lot of non-alcoholic drinks
15:38that you can drink,
15:40and please be very careful.
15:42Don't be afraid,
15:43say what happens to you,
15:45don't be ashamed,
15:46ask for help.
15:47Thank you, Ernesto.