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00:00There are news Carlos, November 25, 2006, I believe that this case of Nora Dalmaso and that of María Marta García Belsunce are the two most emblematic cases in terms of the police, which has to do with investigations that never finished closing even with people in prison.
00:16In this case, the case of María Marta García Belsunce, the case of the country of Zona Norte, her husband was arrested, then acquitted by the Supreme Court. Here is the image of Marcelo Macarrón, Nora Dalmaso's husband, who at the time of the crime was playing a golf tournament in Punta del Este.
00:36He was found guilty of hiring a hitman to kill Nora Dalmaso. Then he involved his son, Facundo Macarrón, who is linked to politics.
00:47But pay attention to the last moment, which again has to do with the FBI. Once again, I say once again because this case is prescribed. What does that mean?
00:57That everything we are going to know from now on is to know what happened, but for the family and for the people who are interested in the case.
01:08It is for the Netflix scripts of Amazon Prime Video, when they make a series.
01:13Exactly. The case was prescribed, Marcelo Macarrón, the widow of Nora Dalmaso, was acquitted. He was found innocent, no evidence was found.
01:25The issue is that in October of this year, we are already in December, in October of this year, 2024, there is a new prosecutor in the case.
01:34The Chamber of Justice asks another prosecutor to continue investigating to find out what happened, if we can ever know, even if we can no longer put anyone in prison.
01:45Well, let's remember because there is a lot of public, you know in this case, it is one of the emblematic of the two that you marked.
01:51But maybe let's remember a little bit how the story was given, how the hypothesis of deceit and infidelities was discussed.
01:57Yes, that in the country there were mixes, swingers, couples, how they accused a perejil at some point.
02:03Well, you have to see if at the time it was not perejil.
02:06Well, let's see, look, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to tell you, Fer.
02:09On November 25, 2006, there was an episode inside the house of Villa Golf in Río Cuarto where Nora Dalmaso was alone.
02:17She was going to go to a dinner with friends, she did not go, and the next day she appears dead.
02:21A neighbor finds her. The point is that obviously the widow returns from Punta del Este, she is found dead in her son's bed with a cord of a robe,
02:31which is fundamental for what I am going to tell you now, of a bathrobe tied to the neck.
02:35There they began to make a lot of presumptions, it was a sexual crime, it was a crime by commission, someone killed her with that robe belt.
02:44Or a sexual practice, because they also made a carnage in relation to Nora's intimate life.
02:49Of course, there was talk of a sexual game at the time, there was talk of everything.
02:52What happened 18 years later? What did the FBI laboratory have that we have not had so far?
02:58The FBI laboratory, 10 days ago, sends a report to the new prosecutor, who was the partner of a press conference,
03:04and says, Doctor, we found the person responsible for the genetic traces of the robe.
03:11What does this mean? If I now take something here, a cell phone, Luis Bremer's phone, and I touch it with my hands,
03:18there I am going to leave a genetic trace. That was found on the robe.
03:22On the belt of the robe, right?
03:24On the belt of the robe.
03:25Which seems to be key.
03:26What happens with the belt of the robe?
03:28It was checked with relatives, with the husband, with the widow, with the son, with some more, and they did not find anything.
03:35Sure, because for this data, it asks, when one has a DNA sample, right?
03:39It is that one throws a DNA sample and it appears from who is the DNA in the world.
03:43Do you have to check it with someone else?
03:45Of course.
03:46That is the series.
03:47Let's put...
03:48If that DNA is registered in the system, but it may not be registered.
03:51Sure, but let's put this example.
03:52And you do not have crosses.
03:53Of course.
03:54You have to have, for example, a bank of genetic data of abusers, for example, to check.
04:01But it may be that this person does not have a background.
04:03That's why.
04:04So what happens in this story, so that it is clear?
04:07Here we have a dead man on the table, and only the three of us get, let's say, DNA to check with this sample that was found on the belt of the robe.
04:18But they both left it outside.
04:19And this is what happened now.
04:21The new prosecutor ordered the DNA of 200 people and gave them to the FBI.
04:28What did the FBI do?
04:29He went to the laboratory with the genetic trace he had of the belt of the robe, which was tied to the victim's neck, and began to check.
04:38One DNA at a time.
04:41They find the positive data in one of those 200 cases.
04:45So what do they have now?
04:47They have the name and last name of who left that genetic trace on the belt of the robe.
04:54Question.
04:55How were these samples saved after 18 years, so as not to infer that they could have been contaminated with a DNA, to commit a crime to a perejil, as you said?
05:05Because that's what usually happens, what Luis says.
05:07You lose all that over time.
05:09There is a chain of custody that has to be preserved, which is done by justice.
05:14This is a good question, Luis.
05:16What happened?
05:17The genetic trace has been around for a long time.
05:21The FBI has been working on it for a few years, and it was saved in the FBI's genetic database.
05:27This is important.
05:28The take of the genetic trace of the robe was done at that time.
05:32Yes, the FBI already had it.
05:33And then that DNA is saved.
05:36It's not that the robe is being manipulated now.
05:38No, no.
05:40The sample was extracted and the sample remained under the custody of the FBI in its database.
05:46That was already there.
05:47What the FBI did not have were the 200 new names.
05:50Now, what people were left out 18 years ago?
05:54Well, they started at a first moment, Clara, the most intimate circle was joined, about 40 people.
06:01Where was the family?
06:03The one who went to work in the bathroom?
06:07Someone who went to deliver an order?
06:09Some friend?
06:10Some supposed lover?
06:11The family.
06:12But now they started to look further back.
06:14And this person, who I'm going to give you data now, is someone who works in gardening.
06:21In fact, that was presented in court.
06:24This person by name and last name was notified.
06:27They just notified him.
06:29It has nothing to do with that person.
06:31No, no, not Perejil, who was the albanil.
06:33No.
06:34They notified him a few days ago.
06:36And they told him, sir, look, do you remember that you delivered the DNA to the cottage?
06:41And the man said yes.
06:42Well, he gave positive.
06:44He's going to have to show up with his lawyer to declare.
06:47He's going to have to tell what link he had with Mrs. Noara Dalmaso.
06:50And from there, rebuild.
06:52He can go to jail.
06:54In this context, no.
06:56Although they prove that he was the criminal, he is not going to jail.
06:59The thing is that having a DNA, a genetic trace on the coat belt does not make him a murderer.
07:09Of course, he can say, yes, I had a relationship at the time with the lady.
07:13It may be that he touched her and another person has put it around his neck.
07:20Likewise, someone who works with the parking lot, it is rare for him to enter the house and touch the belt of a coat.
07:27But the truth is that what is happening now.
07:30The belt of the coat did not fall.
07:32No, it is unusual.
07:34I was just reading the report that the Public Prosecutor's Office of Cordoba released.
07:40In fact, in a little while at 11 in the morning, the special prosecutor of this case
07:45will give details of the genetic footprint, how it impacted and how it gave with the name and last name of this man who worked in Villa Golf,
07:53in the private neighborhood where Nora Dalmaso died.
07:56Now, what can be done?
07:58They call it a historical reconstruction of the case to see if it can be done or not with the alleged murderer.
08:06Now, this was before.
08:07Don't you think that's tremendous?
08:08Yes, tremendous.
08:09We are seeing a case that moved society at that time.
08:13Of which we speak, and so many things were also spoken unnecessarily.
08:17And documents were seen that had nothing to do, I also remember at that time.
08:20But we are not going to have a resolution.
08:23It is for the mere fact of reaching an end, I would tell you, almost of a novel to know the end of the novel.
08:31For the tribune.
08:32I wonder, Fer, why?
08:33Because here there were two crimes, as you said.
08:35On the one hand, the crime of Nora Dalmaso.
08:37And on the other hand, the victimization.
08:39Because they have said anything.
08:41But no, a medium, a journalist.
08:43The prosecution at that time, which even inferred that Facundo Macarrón, who was a minor,
08:48supposedly with a homosexual sexuality,
08:51for that one condition, could have a reason to kill his mother.
08:55Look at the madness that was said.
08:57However, no one paid anything.
08:58The judicial power takes care of itself.
09:00Facundo Macarrón had to leave the country to work for a North American company.
09:04I don't know if he came back or not.
09:05In the social collective of those years, four figures were left very outraged to the people.
09:11The husband, the son, the pariah and the supposed lover.
09:16Of the last emblematic cases in Argentina,
09:19I feel, Carlos, that public opinion in its first accusations was always wrong.
09:25It was wrong at the time with the stepfather in the case of Manché.
09:28Public opinion.
09:29Yes, public opinion.
09:30Public opinion.
09:31Public opinion in the most important cases of the last two decades, if you will, was always wrong.
09:37In the case of Manché.
09:39Natalia Fraticilli.
09:40Also.
09:41Sorry, public opinion molded by journalists.
09:43Of course, of course.
09:44Also, our responsibility.
09:45Of course, I don't put Carlos in that group.
09:47No, no, but it's still our responsibility.
09:49A little while ago I commented in a certain way,
09:53making a mea culpa of all of us,
09:56that we talked and showed images that did not correspond.
10:01The Logan case, for example.
10:02The Logan case.
10:03The Logan case.
10:04It is the case with the greatest disinformation of the last five years.
10:07Yes.
10:08That is, journalism has done a terrible job with the Logan case.
10:11It also gives me a little shame.
10:13Because from minute one, those who were inside the investigation said,
10:16this was an accident.
10:18Whether they like it or not.
10:19Because the hypothesis of kidnapping, kidnapping, trafficking,
10:22it was said that they were in Paraguay.
10:23Barbarities were made.
10:24I mean, here it was an accident.
10:26And you will see that the course of the Logan case goes that way.
10:28Now here, Logan still has it fresh to put him in jail.
10:32Of course.
10:33You Carlos say it was an accident?
10:35The Logan case was an accident, yes.
10:36And so much hiding and so much ...
10:39Not so much.
10:40Two people hid a body with an accomplice.
10:42It's true, that theory of when it turns, it impacts and ...
10:45Let's not talk about the Logan case now,
10:47but clearly the investigation, the hypothesis of the Federal Police,
10:50is the one that brought him to justice, and justice did not want to open it.
10:52Then we talk about the Logan case, because we also have it in routine,
10:54and it is also interesting.
10:55But speaking of New Almaso,
10:56I remember that at one point there was talk of a pot where the keys were put,
11:00of the neighbors.
11:01Well, but that is part of private life,
11:03because it can happen to you too, that you have ...
11:05Let's see, let's see, I say, wait.
11:07That practice of swinger is very habitual.
11:09But as Luis says, a family that was suffering the death of one of its members,
11:12and that on top of that he suffered.
11:13Yes.
11:14That the son is accused of having murdered his mother,
11:17or of having been part of a murder.
11:19Because he dies in his room.
11:21The morbidity, the morbidity of journalism to run at that moment,
11:25to run to inform ...
11:27The morbidity with a woman,
11:28because there have been resonant cases of male characters
11:31dead in a situation of intimacy,
11:33where everything fell apart.
11:35Very powerful characters.
11:36I say this because treating the norm, and sorry, the term,
11:40but at that time it was like that,
11:41of a woman, of a light life,
11:43or supposedly the party girl of the country,
11:45gave both, as Lucio said, to journalism,
11:47as the prosecutor of that moment,
11:49tools to make show and not justice.
11:51Yes, if it had happened at this time,
11:53if it had been spoken in the same way of Nora ...
11:55I don't think so.
11:56I don't think so either.
11:57Let's listen to a file, sorry, Carlos.
11:59Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
12:00No, no, what I'm going to say is that the case has so many edges, Fer.
12:03Husband playing golf in Puente del Este.
12:05A son who goes to the house of another friend.
12:07There is no one in the house.
12:08The meeting with the friends that did not take place.
12:10The frustrated meeting with the friends.
12:12He stays at home and the next day he dies.
12:14Where does he die?
12:15The ghost of power, sorry, Carlos.
12:17The ghost of power because they were separating
12:19and the rumor of that moment
12:21was that the husband was Testaferro,
12:23an important politician from Córdoba.
12:25Let's say, nothing could finally be proven.
12:28Everything was woven on the basis of hypotheses
12:31or situations that happened around,
12:33but no one focused on the death of this woman.
12:36Carlos, from your experience,
12:37that you have been working on the subject of police for many years,
12:40why every time a sexual crime is committed,
12:43there is always mistrust
12:45and justice puts the focus in a very strong way against the family.
12:51Look, the question is good.
12:53Always, any case, whether it is a death, a kidnapping,
12:56a kidnapping, an injury,
12:58it is always investigated from the inside out.
13:01Never from the outside.
13:02The intimate circle is discarded from the outside.
13:05Because commonly,
13:06and statistics show that in 80% of cases,
13:08it is always someone from the most intimate environment.
13:11It can happen in abuse.
13:12In cases of abuse, the percentage is intrafamilial.
13:14The very high percentage of intrafamilial abuse.
13:17Now, let's listen to a file from Nora's mother,
13:20speaking at the time of a gang behind the case.
13:25It seems to me that a single person, my daughter, was not killed.
13:29It's like a clan that killed my daughter,
13:32because something knew it had to disappear.
13:36I began to think about all the taboos that have existed,
13:40with all the things that have been,
13:43and after two years that have been left,
13:45without making another, how to tell you,
13:50another clarification of her death,
13:52because they let the years pass on purpose,
13:54I don't know if it was on purpose,
13:56so that this would not go public.
14:01Thousands of theories, 18 years,
14:03and the information that Carlos Salerno brings,
14:05and that it is important, but as he says,
14:07it is important to close a story, but not judicially.
14:11Not judicially.
14:12At 11 o'clock we have a press conference, Fer.
14:14We will be live.
14:15We will be counting the minutes of that press conference.
14:18The data is brought by the FBI.
14:20There is a name and last name for the genetic trace
14:23that was on the belt of the coat that was tied to the neck.
14:25Carlos, you have already said an advance.
14:26Nora Dalmaso.
14:27You have already said an advance.
14:28It is not the family.
14:29It is not the family.