👉 Manuel Venturino, ingeniero aeronáutico, ofrece sus condolencias y análisis sobre un reciente accidente de avión en una entrevista con Facundo Pastor en A24. Venturino especula sobre las posibles causas del accidente y destaca la frecuencia de despegues y aterrizajes en la industria aeronáutica. También discute el impacto potencialmente devastador que podría haber tenido el accidente si el avión hubiera impactado una casa.
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00:00I'm going to say hello to Manuel Venturino, who is an aeronautical engineer.
00:03Manuel, Facundo Pastor in A24. How are you? Good afternoon.
00:06Good afternoon, Facundo.
00:08Thank you for attending us, Manuel.
00:10Please.
00:11What is the first thing you want to say about this?
00:15First of all, condolences to the families of the pilot and co-pilot,
00:22and also a sorrow for all the people who are experiencing this,
00:26because it's a nightmare for everyone.
00:28Nobody wants something like this to happen, but accidents do happen.
00:35Good.
00:36We were able to analyze a little, or to speculate,
00:43but one cannot stop speculating on some issues
00:47about the place where the aircraft ended,
00:50that the pilot tried to make a maneuver over the end to generate less damage.
00:55Do you agree with that, Manuel?
00:57Yes, it's completely like that.
01:01Anyway, if you follow the runway line,
01:05continue on that street.
01:08You have, I think it's 10 meters, and from the runway head
01:12to where the street begins, it would be about 250 meters, approximately.
01:16Sure, sure, 250 meters.
01:21What could have been done, in fact, there is...
01:25The landing of the planes is something that happens frequently.
01:29In this case, the free area could have been greater
01:33if there were no boxes and it was all-terrain.
01:38Sure.
01:39It really didn't collide with anything, but well,
01:43the design of the airport has to do with another time,
01:46when the planes were propellers.
01:48Sure.
01:49Today, there are some systems
01:52that were developed in the 1990s in the United States.
01:58Today, there are more, there is a European company,
02:01and the Chinese have already certified
02:06also a prototype that is installed in Chinese airports,
02:11which are cubes of one meter wide,
02:15of a special engineering material, it is concrete with a foam,
02:19which greatly reduces its density,
02:25and this, when the plane passes above,
02:27it sinks and slows down.
02:31It has already saved 20 planes that were tracked,
02:38without any victims, or minimizing the damage.
02:44The issue is the cost it has,
02:46because each cube costs approximately $1,000.
02:51Sure.
02:52They are buried one meter,
02:53that is, one does not see them and can walk on top of the cubes,
02:57but when the plane passes above,
02:59due to the effect of the weight, it sinks,
03:02as if we were sinking our feet in mud,
03:05and it slows down.
03:09The cost of having implemented this whole system
03:13on this runway would be approximately $4 million,
03:18if we take into account 200 meters long by 20 wide.
03:26Let's see, Manuel, to try to systematize some kind of,
03:30or try to evaluate hypotheses,
03:33I would tell you three main lines,
03:35which are plane failure, human failure,
03:38that is, some dangerous maneuver that the pilots made,
03:41or airport failure.
03:44Why do you lean?
03:47Look, I think we should not rule out any, always.
03:52You think that today, everything that is aeronautics today,
03:57has to do with all the accidents that have happened throughout history,
04:02and it will never be twice the same accident.
04:05Yes.
04:06Let's make a hypothesis,
04:08the runway, did it have a braking system of the aircraft, or did it not?
04:14It was wired.
04:17For an aircraft of this size and this speed,
04:20let's think that it is a cruise of 800 kilometers per hour,
04:24it touches the runway at 250 kilometers per hour.
04:30It may be, let's think that the pilots touched late,
04:37they did not touch at the beginning.
04:40Likewise, in their training, they know when they can touch and when not.
04:47They are not suicides, they practice this constantly.
04:53They should have been given the clue to be able to brake.
04:57Let's think that maybe it was a mechanical failure.
05:01Yesterday they were talking about the thrust reversers that did not work.
05:06This is another way of investigating to see if the thrust reversers did not work.
05:13Anyway, whatever the failure,
05:18if we have an EMAS system,
05:21this is the Engineering Materials Arresting System,
05:26a braking system of engineering materials,
05:31we avoided any catastrophe.
05:34At a cost of 4 million dollars.
05:36Manuel, let's say, and everything goes like this, unfortunately,
05:39we have to talk about this,
05:42but air transport is the safest transport in the world, right?
05:46Forget it.
05:48Look, the most expensive thing is to send satellites into orbit.
05:52Each gram costs a million dollars.
05:57So the systems and how much is studied,
06:01each thing that is done is the top of science.
06:05Yes.
06:06After that come the nuclear plants.
06:09Sure.
06:10Because any accident causes damage over the years.
06:16And third is aeronautics.
06:19Now, of the three,
06:21aeronautics is the one with the most take-offs and landings.
06:25Sure.
06:26So let's think, this accident occurred,
06:28but do you know how many take-offs and landings there are worldwide?
06:34It's tremendous.
06:35Yes.
06:36Still, we have to take into account something, obviously,
06:39that when a plane crashes,
06:40it's a very, very big impact
06:43for the number of passengers,
06:44when it's a passenger plane,
06:45and in this case, well,
06:46let's see, it could have been worse.
06:48Yes.
06:48Unfortunately, we both died on the fly, right?
06:50But...
06:51It was terrible.
06:52It hit a house and...
06:54It was worse.
06:55Today we are talking about several deaths.
06:57Sure, what happens, Manuel...
06:58But that's why...
06:59Sorry, I...
07:00You say, accidents like this we see very often,
07:03but I don't remember seeing an accident where the plane ends up in the houses.
07:08Obviously, I'm not a specialist in this, but...
07:11No, but in the United States, you didn't see in the United States
07:13the amount of planes that fall on the roofs?
07:15Yes, but not leaving the airport.
07:17One thing is that a...
07:19No, but before and before the airport too,
07:21what happens is that...
07:22Here we are...
07:23When nothing happens, you can't see.
07:25When a plane falls and causes...
07:28There, yes.
07:29The plane catches my attention.
07:31Leaving the runway and falling on the houses.
07:34Impacting on the houses.
07:35Modern life makes us try not to see the dangers.
07:39But one...
07:41Without going further, the Minister of Transport,
07:43who died in the last government,
07:46died on the route.
07:49That is, it is very dangerous to go out on the route.
07:52And he came from work.
07:54Yes.
07:55I mean, and we don't want to see that.
07:58But...
08:00This happens very often.
08:02What happens is that they try not to advertise it.
08:05Because if not, people really live in panic.
08:08Manuel, as an engineer, I say...
08:11Let's see, one imagines.
08:12The first thing that is analyzed is the black box,
08:15and based on that.
08:16But what is the piece of the fuselage
08:19that is priority to maintain?
08:22I don't know.
08:23In a car, it is the engine and the brakes, we suppose, right?
08:26And in a plane?
08:28In this case, in this accident,
08:31I would look at everything.
08:34Brakes, the hydraulic part.
08:37Yes.
08:38And above all, the engine thrust reversers.
08:41The two engines.
08:43Aha.
08:44In addition to the black box, of course, is the main thing.
08:47But look at one thing that is not a minor fact.
08:50The cabin was intact.
08:53Yes, it is intact.
08:54That is, the pilots must have suffered a blow.
08:59But they die suffocated, and then the pilot dies.
09:03Of course.
09:04But it is suffocation.
09:06Now, Manuel, at some point it was said
09:09that there was a version that indicated
09:11that it was talking about carbon monoxide inhalation.
09:13I come back to this.
09:15Because the question is,
09:17was this the product of the accident?
09:20That is, they crash, the fire generates
09:23the inhalation of carbon monoxide?
09:26Yes, yes, yes.
09:27Or can there be carbon monoxide in the flight?
09:30No, no, they don't make the landing
09:33if what they have is a problem
09:35of carbon monoxide intoxication.
09:37That's the question.
09:38No, no.
09:40And in fact, in the communications with the towers,
09:43the tower should have warned you something.
09:46Of course.
09:47That is, to propose an emergency
09:49before this happens.
09:51The tower is already prepared to receive them
09:53in another way.
09:54A lot of protocols are activated.
09:57That was after the touch with the runway.
10:02Good, good.
10:04I would rule out that hypothesis
10:06that there was a previous intoxication.
10:08What we have to determine,
10:10that is, it has to be determined,
10:12is that it leads them to the wrong maneuver,
10:14to the decision.
10:15To the late landing.
10:17I mean, let's see,
10:18in more vulgar terms, Manuel,
10:20and you are surely going to put
10:22more correct concepts,
10:24why do they miss the runway?
10:27Well, that, in fact,
10:30the people who were at the airport
10:33know when they touched.
10:35That, if you are going to ask the workers
10:38who were there,
10:39those people who work with planes,
10:42they know that they don't like to see
10:44a plane land.
10:45Every plane that lands, they look at it,
10:47and they know where they touched.
10:49If you go and ask the workers
10:51from San Fernando,
10:52they stop at the door,
10:53with a microphone,
10:54someone will tell them
10:55that they know where they touched.
10:57Sure.
10:58And also,
10:59when they touch the place
11:01where they say they touched,
11:03which is three quarters of the distance
11:05from the runway,
11:06instead of touching a third,
11:08the first part,
11:09and there they imagine
11:10that anything can happen, right?
11:12Well, if they touched that place,
11:15I don't think so,
11:17because it's too much the speed
11:19with which they would have impacted.
11:21And for the videos,
11:22it's not hundreds of kilometers per hour.
11:27But what happens is that the radar
11:29starts saying that at 25 feet,
11:32which is 7 meters high,
11:34there were 181 knots,
11:36which is around 320, 330 kilometers per hour.
11:39Kilometers per hour of speed.
11:41Yes, that's why they don't give me the numbers
11:44so that it has stopped.
11:46When we see the video,
11:48for example...
11:49No, that's why it didn't stop.
11:51No, but it did stop.
11:53When it ends up impacting,
11:55you see that it is meters away
11:58from when the crash begins.
12:00It would have to be half a block
12:02if it was going faster.
12:03What happens is that,
12:04let's see, I ask, right?
12:06I say, it went on for a long time,
12:08it passed over the land sector,
12:10it hit two wires,
12:12let's say, from the perimeter,
12:14a tree and then the houses.
12:17What happens is that it ended there
12:19and it also fell,
12:21it was on the side
12:22because the wing lost it.
12:24My theory,
12:25be careful,
12:26it's a personal theory,
12:27they didn't reach 100 kilometers per hour
12:29when they hit.
12:30Okay, when they hit, yes,
12:32but I mean,
12:33when it landed,
12:34when it landed on the runway.
12:36Yes, when it landed,
12:37it was at a speed of 200 and something,
12:39but that's why,
12:40for me,
12:41it has to be half the runway.
12:43But sorry, I'm sorry,
12:44but sorry,
12:45but sorry, Manuel,
12:46let's see,
12:47let's see if we have,
12:48are you looking at the TV?
12:49No.
12:50Are you looking at us?
12:51Not at this moment.
12:52No, okay.
12:53The Enfly radar,
12:54let's say,
12:55what it wants,
12:56what it indicates
12:57is that it was going
12:58at 181 knots of speed
13:00when it was seven meters
13:02from the runway,
13:03from the ground,
13:04from the runway.
13:05Is that the right speed?
13:06Yes,
13:07that's how they normally land,
13:08Manuel,
13:09that's it.
13:10But normally they land
13:11at 110 knots.
13:12Of course,
13:13is that the right speed?
13:14Of course.
13:15What they told us,
13:16what they told us
13:17that this type of plane,
13:18at this type of airport,
13:19which is 1,690 meters long,
13:20it would have to have gone
13:21at 110,
13:22120 knots,
13:23like a lot.
13:24Yes,
13:25be careful
13:26because the data
13:27of the Enfly radar
13:28is an approximation,
13:29it is not that they tell you
13:30exactly where you are
13:31and at what speed you are going.
13:32You say that then
13:33it is not accurate.
13:34No,
13:35no,
13:36it is an information
13:37that can be used
13:38for,
13:39not for an analysis
13:40of this type.
13:41And it is more or less,
13:42then,
13:43or it may have gone
13:44at more speed
13:45still,
13:46or it may have gone
13:47to less.
13:48No,
13:49I'm sure
13:50that less
13:51in that place.
13:52It can't be
13:53that at that height
13:54they go at that speed.
13:55It can't be
13:56that at that height
13:57they go at that speed.
13:59And then,
14:00why did it go long
14:01and at that speed?
14:02There is the big question.
14:03What could have happened?
14:04Well,
14:05that's what
14:06we are asking now.
14:07Also,
14:08did it go
14:09from a distance?
14:10I don't know if
14:11Manuel has ever
14:12gone through
14:13a simulator
14:14or something like that.
14:15What reasons
14:16make an airplane
14:17go through?
14:18A bad calculation
14:19of the pilot.
14:20An air current
14:21that had wind
14:22against it
14:23and suddenly
14:24the wind
14:25disappears,
14:26the gusts.
14:27There are multiple
14:28factors.
14:29Yes, yes.
14:30But what I would like
14:31to put on the agenda
14:32of discussion
14:33is the subject
14:34of the materials
14:35for the braking
14:36of the airplane
14:37after landing.
14:38Yes.
14:39When there is a misguidance,
14:40if one invests
14:414 million dollars,
14:42we would not be
14:43talking about
14:44human losses.
14:45It is an investment
14:46that the cost
14:47of this airplane
14:48was surely
14:49more than
14:504 million dollars.
14:51It is an investment
14:52that the cost
14:53of this airplane
14:54was surely
14:55more than
14:564 million dollars.
14:57Of course, of course.
14:58It is a cost
14:59that needs
15:00to be maintained,
15:01it must be replaced
15:02again,
15:03but neither
15:04Aeroparque,
15:05nor Ezeiza,
15:06I don't think
15:07in the country
15:08we have
15:09these systems
15:10that, for example,
15:11in the JFK,
15:12in Nueva Sur,
15:13they do have it.
15:14Yes.
15:15There are 100 airports
15:16in the United States
15:17that do have it.
15:18There is an airport
15:19in China
15:20that does have it.
15:21And I would think
15:22from the point of view
15:23of the pilot,
15:24I would say
15:25that it is
15:26an airport
15:27that would need
15:28from now on
15:29the installation
15:30at least
15:31in the road
15:32that leads
15:33to the houses,
15:34minimally.
15:35Of course,
15:36I asked him
15:37about what happened
15:38because it caught my attention
15:39because I understand
15:40that when the Lapa tragedy
15:41happened,
15:42then Aeroparque
15:43put some
15:44stoppers
15:45in the vertex
15:46where...
15:47Some containers
15:48and forests.
15:49They are some
15:50stoppers,
15:51I mean,
15:52surely Manuel
15:53will have...
15:54That contain
15:55the plane
15:56in case it happens,
15:57right?
15:58Like the trains.
15:59And an airfield
16:00too.
16:01Sure.
16:02And a small airfield.
16:03And why wasn't it done
16:04here?
16:05I wouldn't know how to say it.
16:06Those are decisions
16:07that the aeronautical
16:08authority
16:09makes
16:10with the airport
16:11management.
16:12Sure.
16:13Sure,
16:14but those are
16:15very expensive works.
16:16And...
16:17Yes,
16:18the airport
16:19itself
16:20is very expensive.
16:21Yes,
16:22but the airport
16:23itself
16:24is very expensive.
16:25Yes,
16:26what they put
16:27in Aeroparque
16:28is not so expensive.
16:29What I propose
16:30is expensive.
16:314 million dollars.
16:32Ah,
16:33well,
16:34sure,
16:35it's money.
16:36It's money.
16:37It's money.
16:38It's an investment,
16:39but in this case
16:40how much does
16:41a human life cost?
16:42No,
16:43it's clear,
16:44it's clear,
16:45surely,
16:46surely.
16:47That's incalculable.
16:48Manuel,
16:49we send you
16:50a big hug
16:51and thank you
16:52for these minutes.