Sham Charania reports the Miami Heat are open to offers for Jimmy Butler who would be open to destinations like the Rockets, Mavericks, and Warriors.
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00:06I I hope he gets God
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01:12What management says or whatever you sell bagels make sure you have bagels, and I don't mean
01:18700 sesame bagels
01:21They always have sesame bagels and pumpernickel cuz nobody buys that crap that's beside the point
01:29so
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01:53Lot of people do like sesame bagels. That's probably the most popular bagel. Not it. Why is there so many?
01:59Why is the basket over because they probably oh no
02:04I'm pretty sure they know how to run the bagel business. Einstein's is pretty popular. No, it's not
02:10No, it's not it's not dude
02:13Am I wrong for thinking if you sell bagels at 1030 you shouldn't be running out
02:22And you're open till to their founder was a scientist. I think they know more or less how to deal with that minus one
02:28I
02:40Try to figure out when I'm a work
02:44So me and Marco's going back and forth
02:47right and he says in the schedule, right and
02:53So we go back and forth and I go, you know what? Let me chew on it
02:59Reply quickly cuz I know this show not blue
03:14All right, so here's why Margo's playing the sad music on the way in as
03:20Shams Sharani, uh of ESPN had this report today and
03:26It's titled Shams Sharani is inside pass
03:30trade buzz on Jimmy Butler Brandon Ingram and the rest of the NBA and
03:36So he gives this whole spiel
03:39he says on December 15 the majority free agents who signed the offseason are eligible to be traded and
03:44Then most GM's and team officials will descend upon the G League winter showcase in Orlando, Florida
03:51December 19th through the 22nd, although most teams have already competed
03:55Completed the 20-game check-ins with their counterparts across the leagues and conversations typically heat up in January closer to the February 6 trade deadline
04:04Every deadline period there are players who emerge as key figures to watch
04:08Those who could shift the balance of power in the NBA this season all eyes will be on Miami Heat six-time all-star
04:15Jimmy Butler and Pelicans one-time all-star
04:19Brandon Ingram
04:22Butler
04:23Is one of the NBA's elite competitors and a perennial postseason performer
04:28His teams have made the playoffs in 12 to 13 seasons
04:30Including five previous seasons with Miami where he's led Miami to two NBA finals burst an additional Eastern Conference Finals appearance
04:38Both Butler and Ingram both Butler and Ingram are essentially on contract seasons
04:42A
04:43Butler has a 49 million dollar on the contract for this season with a 52 million dollar player option for 2526
04:51Besides did not reach an extension this summer. All right, so here's the juicy part
04:56What that wasn't there's more that was the preemptive juice. Okay, juice me up, baby the heat
05:03corner chums
05:04the heat are open to listening to offers for Butler and
05:08Making a deal if the proposal is right league sources told ESPN and
05:13Butler's agent Bernie Lee has indicated in league circles that Butler is open to destinations
05:20such as the two Texas teams Houston Rockets and Dallas Mavericks and
05:26The Golden State Warriors
05:31Damn you Jimmy, you know, that means here comes Draymond what?
05:39I'll trade. No way. I don't think it's gonna be my dance
05:42Who can we possibly get from them though? There's really no one of value. We would be giving like pics
05:47Maybe you would probably get pics get a bevy of pics
05:52Wiggins would probably be the salary. I mean
05:55Kaminga would be the young piece maybe pajams key if you really wanted to get somebody like
05:59You know add a little bit more shooting into the end of the holster
06:03Sounds like a horrible trade
06:05Well, it's not great. You're losing, you know your best your best player at the end of his contract
06:10But he do have a decision to make with him right because it's like are you gonna give Jimmy Butler an extension after this season?
06:17Is he gonna get big offers like this is the interesting thing, right?
06:21We have this all going on right now that he'd are playing really good basketball. Okay, and
06:27With Jimmy, I think Jimmy's had a good season. I think Jimmy's been good, but he has still missed games
06:33He has still missed games. Like it's still everybody who thought like, oh Riley's gonna talk him into being available
06:39No, he's still been banged up because Jimmy Butler gets banged up
06:41It's what he does and they plays when the playoffs happen. That's typically how the June Butler you can't say anymore
06:47Well last year, okay. I'm gonna give it an outlier because he's typically ready for the playoffs, but okay, but it's a fair criticism
06:53Okay. Okay. It's a fair criticism. Okay
06:56What about what he said in the preseason? Well, I guess yeah, you're right in the middle of it
07:01But like he said he was pretty locked into staying here he well it does say it does say
07:07From this it says the heat of hovered around the play in tournament over the last two seasons with Butler's contractual status
07:12They have been open my open minded to trade inquiries
07:15I don't think I said that right Butler has been professional throughout the season by all accounts and has an affinity for Miami
07:24Where he even opened up the first big-faced coffee shop in the city's design district
07:31So it says he likes it down here. And actually it's funny
07:33I just saw a tweet from Giancarlo novice from Miami heat beat who is actually at big face
07:39I assume this is from right now because he tweeted Oh Jimmy Butler is literally a big-faced coffee right now as he comment tweeted on this
07:47making coffee for people I
07:49Think I just well, I don't know if he's gonna be there much longer because they have practice
07:52So don't like go storming there everybody. Okay, just letting you know, they do have practice pretty soon. So
07:58Just letting you guys know
08:02He's got he's got practice coming up I just want you guys to know that he's got a place to be but this is his side
08:07Job, it is a side job. Well, there actually could be a job. I mean some Z
08:12Listen when athletes get next to a successful beverage. Oh, yeah go for a lot of money
08:18You know
08:21Why not game boy says why not trade BAM instead because
08:25Younger young. Yeah
08:28And that would like that would demoralize everyone you trade BAM. It's like I thought he was the torchbearer
08:34You can't train this guy you trade Jimmy and they're not trading them out of bio unless you're getting like yana sent to Kumpo
08:40Yeah, and ain't getting it and you're not getting that and even then I'm sure they would think about it
08:45They just gave him an extension and first of all, he's played much better this week at home after the Boston game
08:51He's played a lot better offensively. Yes, he had a 25 point near triple-double and
08:55I don't I don't know how much you guys are paying attention. I know people you always want to go with they legitimately
09:01Cannot take him off the floor and keep a lead Jim. No BAM BAM BAM BAM, right? It's crazy because
09:08It has nothing to do with the scoring. Oh, no. No, it just
09:13Only we had like a seven-foot defensive stopper that another story for another day another story for another day, but
09:20Yeah, this is like look this is something that's still looming over it the one thing I would say though
09:27You know, I'm seeing a lot of oh the heat deserve to trade him off
09:30You know the heat need to trade him off to a real contender right by and the Rockets have been good this season
09:35Not surprised. I mean like email doc is a good coach. He's got a lot of young guys. They play hard
09:41He's from that area
09:43They got a you know, some nice young pieces
09:45I'm sure the heat fans not like thrilled to get any of them
09:47But also I'm sure if you get the thing that would be interesting with the Jimmy thing if they really do feel like the end
09:53Is coming they have a decision to make do they ride to the wheels come off?
09:57or
09:58Do you restock your assets then you can go make your pivot move in the offseason?
10:03Either that be a deer and Fox whether that be a Yanis if that becomes the thing whether that is
10:10whoever
10:12Dame again, I don't know. I'm just saying like the heat are a little bereft of assets because they're
10:20And
10:24So they got to decide keep in mind I will say just about the terror is your trade
10:31Tyler wasn't playing like this. Oh, it's hurt
10:34right
10:36Tyler wasn't playing like this then. Mm-hmm. And so that it was desperation. It was a desperation move
10:42They had the Kyle our situation. They had a hurt Tyler hero
10:46They were hopeful that Jimmy Butler was gonna muster the powers of the universe and become playoff Jimmy again
10:50It flopped in their face. I like Terry's minutes though
10:53I don't like him for a personal but I like Terry's minutes like I feel in regards to what you consider a backup point guard
11:00Yeah, but he ain't getting paid. I just like a backup point guard. He gets paid like 27 million
11:06I think that's the starting point. It's it's a pretty it's a pretty it's a pretty sizable salary
11:10the thing with him that the thing that I just never got with it is like
11:14Why do you give a first-round like usually you give up a first-round pick?
11:18To take on like an albatross contract and they had Kyle Larry was gonna be an expiring deal
11:24I didn't really understand why they had to attach an asset to it and it just felt like the heat kind of over bit for
11:30that one, but
11:32Whatever damage is done on that one. So
11:36The heat but the he got to be at this weird point right now, right? Cuz if like if you trade Jimmy Butler
11:41You're kind of waving the flag on the season. That's not their style
11:47You think yeah, I don't I don't think that why
11:51Cuz it depends on where do you getting back?
11:54And if the best player you get back is Jonathan Kaminga. Well
12:01I'm still trying to figure out what the hell he does. So are they
12:06Like when I watch the game and he's owed a bit he's gonna want a big contract when I watch the games
12:12It's not like he's a bum out there
12:15He is making plays
12:17But I'm still trying to figure out what?
12:20His yeah, I'm trying to think like what description is and the maverick man. I would not want to do a trade with the Mavericks
12:27you
12:28Even though Mark Cuban's kind of on the outs with them. Hey
12:31Still move on what?
12:34I don't want to trade Jimmy Butler. What do we get from? Can I just say I don't want to trade him. That's fair
12:38I don't want to trade Jimmy, but that's fair
12:39Can I just say that is there something that you could get that would perk you up a little bit not really from these teams
12:45Not really from these teams. Like I'm not into
12:48I'm not into the the first of all the young guys like oh, that's that's gonna go great with our exposure
12:54He loves playing those. So that means BAM is gonna play 48 minutes like you know, like
12:59Imagine like that all the heat of traded Jimmy Butler for Derek Lively and it's like
13:05Mavericks and it's like suppose like he's a coach. I was on a finals team last year. Yeah, great site
13:11Uh, you guess what? You're gonna be in the G League finals
13:15Coach I already played a year familiar with Sioux Falls
13:19It was a Derek how tall are you seven one sir? Oh
13:29It's actually 20
13:31Derek Lively 20 20. Oh, you can't drink yet. You can't know. Oh, no. No, no
13:36Here's the here's the deal coach Dan. I got one for you
13:42Like and by the way, I don't even think the Mavericks would trade him I
13:45Don't I'm trying to figure out
13:49What is the plane Clay Thompson
13:53I'm trying I'm trying to figure out the plan as
13:57To
13:59Why they would do this and
14:03What because I thought they did excellent job of getting younger and taller
14:08Let's do you're right Wow, I thought they did excellent job of getting younger and and
14:16Lengthier this pass offseason now none of those guys play. So like I don't understand
14:23In order to do a Jimmy trade you would probably have to bring somebody you feel comfortable with that's a veteran
14:29Do we do anything you in the same spot?
14:31Do we do anything with the fact that Spoh has finally found a starting lineup?
14:34That is one of the best lineups in the league like Duncan BAM Tyler Jimmy and Heywood
14:40They're playing lights out. Yeah
14:43Like it took him a Rubik's Cube a little bit
14:46But he's found a starting lineup that works like don't you don't you?
14:50This is a this is a I'm just no heat fan wants to hear the argument
14:54I'm just am I this is why I was like when they beat the Cavs
14:58I was like, I think they may be back and and everybody's right now. Tell me well, they're not a true contender
15:03Which is like, all right
15:05Have they could could they be Boston? I don't know Boston dropped him
15:10but
15:11Jimmy they didn't have Jimmy and Jimmy's Boston's daddy and Tyler heroes play Tyler heroes playing incredible
15:19Duncan Robinson's playing incredible. How long?
15:23Can you keep saying that?
15:26Jimmy's 35. Yeah, right. Are you gonna say it till he's 40 until he's 37 until okay
15:34So that's not reality
15:37Like and this is how maybe
15:41The heat and other people are looking at this. Mm-hmm. He has had
15:46Success
15:48Against Boston. Mm-hmm, but you can't just keep assuming that's gonna happen from year to year
15:54But we have these conversations in every sport every year last year's price is not this year's price
16:00but we don't know that he can't have I didn't say that I
16:05Did not say that I didn't say that you did
16:07I didn't say that you didn't say that
16:14That's your defense of what you want to say
16:25Hear me out
16:26I'm in a book of what is this gonna be in the future and you're in the book of Jimmy has done he'll keep doing
16:32Not keep doing it
16:37Baby
16:39You're making an assumption, okay, but first of all
16:4435 year old Jimmy
16:46Can deal with a team that has just run through the league for the last two years. That's true
16:52like without it, it's but
16:56but
16:58He's never got to do it with Tyler hero healthy
17:00He's never gotten to do with this Tyler hero before you're talking about the other guys
17:03You're not talking about Jimmy, but but he's never had that wingman
17:06I don't have worries about Jimmy. I know Jimmy can summon it up
17:11All right. I know he can that's what he does
17:14Unless it's unless unless he's just washed. I'm not making an assumption that we're better without Jim. I'm not
17:20All I'm saying is is that I can see both sides of it
17:25I remember when they try side is a little bit skewed because you'd love Jim
17:29right deserved but
17:31From the team perspective when they seem to try to be making moves to get younger
17:36Mm-hmm and and have more length even though they don't use any of it
17:41The prudent thing is probably to trade him if you could get a bevy of picks and stuff for it, right?
17:47but but I don't know if
17:50but I hate the prudent thing I
17:53Want one last ride? I want I want to fire the I want to fire the boats
17:58Here's the thing. I do like everybody. Listen to me. That's out fun
18:03Has told him insane one more last ride for the last three years. That's not fair. You have been
18:14Before that there's only one four years ago. No, you're missing up ships. Okay a year ago
18:21Didn't got bounced in the first round Jimmy Butler got hurt the year before that
18:24They were in the finals my friend and the year before that they were shot away
18:28Okay
18:30Again, am I only argument the entire time and I would tell you this that a couple years ago
18:37Cincinnati was in the Super Bowl
18:40They got a defense, you know
18:43Still put up numbers, but that's that's my point this this team the last
18:49three years four years
18:52Has been talking about one thing health with the same guys, right?
18:57Okay, if you keep doing it and it keeps happening is it your fault is it therefore Tyler here on Bama been healthy
19:06Okay, it's not and again and it is December. Well, it's December. I understand. Okay
19:15We've said every year me and you have this conversation
19:18Every year about this time about oh this year
19:22Everybody's gonna be healthy and then
19:25Legs week out for two months. Well, I can't help that that happens in basketball a lot to the same guys every year
19:32Typically Jimmy's ready for the playoffs
19:35Except last year, correct. Okay play though flu play
19:41How my question to you is is if your organization not told it yeah
19:49Why do you think that every year is gonna be different do you see how Tyler here was playing this year?
19:57Like Tyler here was young. I
19:59That is we've been waiting for us
20:03Wait, you've been first of all, I will say this and I've said this to you
20:07You maybe have been expecting it too long too young because most guys get into their prime
20:1426-27 years old here it is. Okay, but now there's the Jimmy thing, but now but that's the thing
20:20Hey, but you don't you remember when they're on the stage?
20:24Jimmy two years ago, dude, that's what that's what he's been waiting for time. Now. He can he can
20:31Tone back the scoring Tyler here takes it now. He can be sneaky veteran
20:36Making steals, you know, he can be no no, no, you know what?
20:39Veteran is wise veteran. That's old veteran. I can't do it as much as I used to be at one point Alonzo morning
20:45Was the guy okay, but he didn't win his ring till he was the role guy. Okay. Yeah
20:50So you saying Jimmy should be the role guy?
20:52I think he's more than a role guy because those are the greatest minutes I've ever seen Alonzo morning play
20:55But you I think you get what I'm saying. Like the burden can now be taken up a little bit more
21:00I think I think
21:03Lot of thinking I'm not ready to trade I don't want to trade those guys those guys you what those guys don't keep escape
21:09Okay, can I put it like this? Yeah
21:12Jfig how furious are you gonna be if he wins a championship with the Warriors?
21:19These warriors are always this is why I dreamed about Bob Myers even though he's not there anymore. Oh, no, you're tired
21:26Were you there?
21:29You know what I gotta take a break, you know, we'll take a break
21:35Previously on Tobin and Leroy
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