Everyone loves a good wish list! In this episode of the Motorcyclist Podcast, Adam Waheed, Justin Dawes, and Bradley Adams take a look at the bikes they’re most excited to throw a leg over in 2025. From all-new sportbikes to entry-level options from KTM and even a carry-over adventure bike from CFMoto, there’s a little of everything on the list. Tune in as we talk about how and why each of these bikes found their way onto our “must ride” list. Let us know in the comments which choices you agree or disagree with and which bike you’re most excited to ride next year.
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00:00Welcome back to the Motorcyclist podcast, where we talk about motorcycles and what makes them great.
00:05Topics on this show are constantly changing, but there's one thing that remains the same, and that's two-wheeled fun.
00:12In this episode, we are talking about the bikes we are most excited to ride in 2025.
00:17It could be adventure bikes, sport bikes, touring bikes, whatever the case,
00:21these are the bikes that we personally are going to have the most fun on over the next year.
00:27It's going to be a really busy year of testing motorcycles, and I, for one, cannot wait.
00:33So, as always, we've got editor Adam Wahid, we've got in-market editor Bradley Adams,
00:38and we've got myself, executive editor Justin Dawes.
00:41And we're always going to start with this. Let's talk about what we've been riding.
00:45Adam, what have you been riding this week?
00:48Oh boy, I've been riding BMW's awesome R1300 GS Trophy Edition, and wow, I just love riding that bike.
00:55Bradley, how about you?
00:57Yeah, well, first off, I agree on that thing. That thing's an absolute one. It's such a cool bike.
01:03I wanted to mention that Aprilia RS457.
01:08We briefly mentioned it, I think, last week we talked about getting to go to a track day,
01:13and that was my first time riding that bike on the track.
01:16I love that bike on the street, and you always know, like, Aprilia, even when we talk to them,
01:20they're like, yeah, we'd love for you guys to go ride this thing on the track.
01:23So I finally got to do it, and man, what a good entry-level machine.
01:27Like, I love the engine on that thing, but at the same time, the chassis,
01:31like, I think it's such a great little chassis.
01:33Sometimes those, like, little bikes, entry-level machines, they just become unwound and just all over the place.
01:38But you could actually ride that RS457, so.
01:42It pops up a lot in conversations about small bikes.
01:45Myself, I'm working on a R1300 GS article as well,
01:50so that's kind of what's on my mind lately is how rad that motorcycle is
01:55and all the cool stuff that it does.
01:58You know, it's really, really good.
02:02It's been a fun bike this year.
02:03They just made it, they took all, they never, they didn't get rid of any of the good stuff that it does.
02:09Like, you know, it's still a good travel bike.
02:11It's still got wind protection.
02:12It's still comfortable.
02:13It's all that.
02:14But then they sharpened it up at the same time and made it more,
02:19it took some of that ground back from maybe some of the other manufacturers
02:23who were doing some gnarlier stuff with the bike, right,
02:25and making it more off-road capable or faster on the road or all these things.
02:29So it's kind of reclaiming some territory for sure.
02:33Yeah, they're just awesome bikes.
02:36Yep.
02:37So definitely, audience, we want to know what you're riding.
02:43Tell us about your bikes.
02:45Talk about our podcast if there's something you agree with, disagree with,
02:49or just want to tell us that we look funny on camera, whatever.
02:52Just talk to us.
02:53Engagement helps us out.
02:55Definitely makes the podcast go further and get served to more people,
02:58which that's what we're trying to do is just talk about how cool motorcycles are.
03:02So starting with that, bikes, we're excited to ride.
03:09So I guess I'll kick it off,
03:11and I'm probably going to steal this bike from Bradley or Adam maybe.
03:16And that's the 2025 Ducati Streetfighter V2S.
03:22All new, V2.
03:25We talked a lot about it in our very first podcast.
03:29It's lighter weight, 37 pounds lighter.
03:33So it's 386 pounds.
03:37It's $18,000.
03:39It's less expensive than the outgoing V2.
03:43120 horsepower, which is less horsepower.
03:46I was going to say less expensive, but it's also less horsepower.
03:50It's not quite the specs before.
03:52Yeah, not quite the specs before.
03:54But with that lower weight, I think it's going to be really close.
03:58And it's based on the Panigale V2, obviously, naked.
04:04It's got a longer swing arm.
04:06It's got a revised rake and trail.
04:08But more importantly, it's got nice wide bars,
04:11and you sit a little more upright on the bike.
04:13And that's what I'm all about on sporty bikes.
04:18I used to love sport bikes.
04:20I still do.
04:21I think they're amazing things.
04:22But, man, on a street ride, they're just torturous for me.
04:27My motocross, off-road, dirt bike, racing knees just cannot handle being on a
04:33true super sport or super bike anymore.
04:36I go for 45 minutes, and I want to get off for the whole day.
04:42Okay, so question here.
04:44Are you most excited about riding that bike because you're curious how it's
04:49going to be or you have this expectation or this thought that it's going to be
04:55entertaining?
04:56Because I'm still torn on this bike.
04:58As an editor, I always try to go into things without an expectation,
05:03but it's very difficult.
05:04And some bikes you just see and you just kind of get excited about.
05:07And I think I'm for two reasons.
05:10I mean, one, to see how much different it is,
05:14see if it's comparable in performance with that lower horsepower,
05:18lighter weight, you know, all those things.
05:22But also, I just like a rad running V2 that's light and you can throw around
05:28with wide bars with a ton of leverage.
05:30So you can really back it in and cut skids and yank back on those things and
05:35just do rad wheelies.
05:38I definitely hope it's entertaining.
05:40I mean, again, I think we talked about it before.
05:42I love that a street fighter just wakes you up.
05:45It's like just drinking an extra large coffee in the morning.
05:49Yeah, I mean, I've been a fan of street fighters for, you know,
05:53not Ducati street fighters models,
05:56but just like street fighter type bikes forever.
05:58I mean, a long time ago when I worked at Kawasaki,
06:01we had the first generation ZX10 and it got crashed.
06:06And so we turned it into a street fighter for fun,
06:10just for the people at the office.
06:12And that thing was so much fun and such bad news.
06:17And maybe one day we'll tell the story of Mark Cernicki and helicopters and
06:22all those things on the very same motorcycle.
06:25But we'll say that it was, it was rowdy and it was ridiculous.
06:28And it's firmly cemented my love for street fighters since then.
06:33So almost every street fighter or naked, I get excited for it,
06:37but this one just seems like it's going to be a really nice mix of
06:41lightweight, just enough horsepower to have fun.
06:46Yeah.
06:47And all the Ducati goodness with, you know,
06:49the S model having only in suspension and just being rad.
06:54Fair.
06:55And a more favorable price, obviously.
06:57More favorable price, which is, which is excellent for the consumer,
07:01especially those that are, you know,
07:05maybe sometimes having a hard time swallowing the,
07:09a Ducati ish price tag, right?
07:12This is going to make it more accessible to more people.
07:14And that's what Ducati needs.
07:15They need more.
07:16Every manufacturer needs more buyers and more owners,
07:20but it seems like if you get into the Ducati ecosystem, once you're in,
07:24you're locked in for life.
07:25You're not going anywhere.
07:26You're Ducati street for life.
07:29Right.
07:30Yeah.
07:31And you're going S, right?
07:32You're not going standard.
07:33No, no, no.
07:34Base model stuff.
07:35Yeah.
07:36Base models.
07:37Not for me.
07:38I'm too, I'm too bougie for anything, but S models and R models,
07:40the more R's and the more S's, the more I want it.
07:43Yeah.
07:44We need them CBR 1000 triple R's, right?
07:46Three R's.
07:47Exactly.
07:48Three R's.
07:49Yeah.
07:50More R's the better.
07:51Yeah.
07:52It's got to be good.
07:53Adam,
07:54I didn't see any Ducatis on your list when we were preparing for this.
07:58What you got?
07:59You got your, your BMW guy right now, huh?
08:01You're just.
08:02Yeah.
08:03Yeah.
08:04BMW motor guy for sure.
08:05You know,
08:06they haven't officially announced it as a production vehicle,
08:08but that, you know,
08:09G 450 prototype sure does look tasty and I,
08:12geez,
08:13I hope they hope they make it for the 2025 or 2026 model year.
08:16It looks so finished.
08:18It's gotta be a 2025.
08:20Yeah.
08:21That thing like looks straight production.
08:24Would that be kind of weird for them to do,
08:27to have it as a concept at Eicma and then just like almost right away?
08:31No,
08:32heck no.
08:33That's a marketing move right there.
08:35Yeah.
08:36Yeah.
08:37Solid marketing move.
08:39Yeah.
08:40Yeah.
08:41What,
08:42what makes you excited about it?
08:43Just,
08:44I don't know.
08:45I love those,
08:46you know,
08:47G GS bikes.
08:48They're just so awesome.
08:49Like even that baby G three 10.
08:50I mean,
08:51yeah,
08:52it's a little old in the tooth now,
08:53but they're just fun bikes and it's kind of cool to see something that's,
08:56you know,
08:57splitting the difference between the G three 10 GS and the F 900 GS,
09:01you know,
09:02something that's a little bit maybe lighter and more maneuverable,
09:05you know,
09:06not a ton of power,
09:07but more power than that single cylinder G three 10 GS.
09:10So,
09:11yeah,
09:12I don't know.
09:13I think it'll be cool.
09:14Just that,
09:15you know,
09:16that contemporary,
09:17you know,
09:18lighting package and instrument panel that the G four 50 is presumably has.
09:20Like,
09:21I think that'd be a cool little neat bike,
09:22maybe not so much on the freeway,
09:24but for,
09:25you know,
09:26like city roads and off-roading,
09:27I think it'd be awesome.
09:28I was listening to something recently.
09:30Yeah.
09:31Yeah.
09:32I was listening to something this weekend and they made the argument and we
09:35kind of talked about it a little bit.
09:37Like,
09:38is this people gravitating from dual sports and moving into kind of the
09:41adventure area?
09:42And they kind of argued that that might be a trend in,
09:45in the adventure space,
09:47especially with these smaller displacement ones now where it's,
09:50it's people that kind of like their dual sports,
09:52but realize that they might want a little bit more comfort than a moto
09:55style seat and things like that.
09:57Is that kind of like where you're at with it?
09:59Is that,
10:00you just feel like getting a little extra range and comfort.
10:03Personally,
10:04not really,
10:05but that point you just made fascinating and I could totally see,
10:08you know,
10:09cause that's kind of the,
10:10that's kind of the bummer with dual sport bikes.
10:12Like we all like dual sport bikes and they're fun and,
10:14you know,
10:15they're more nimble and you can go more places,
10:17but they just have such limited versatility.
10:19That's why adventure bikes are so awesome because yeah,
10:22you can,
10:23you can do kind of gnarly trails,
10:24not a lot of them,
10:25but you can,
10:26and then you can ride 200 miles and be comfortable.
10:29So that's why,
10:30you know,
10:31that probably makes sense.
10:32They're just more versatile bikes.
10:34So this G four 50 would probably pen into that added versatility
10:38compared to,
10:39you know,
10:40500 CC dual sport.
10:41Yeah.
10:42Yeah.
10:43Yeah.
10:44I,
10:45I would definitely agree with that too.
10:46For sure.
10:48But the only thing that I'm kind of like bummed on that bike,
10:51maybe,
10:52and I shouldn't,
10:53I shouldn't say I'm bummed on it,
10:54but I would have expected them to put a 21 on the front,
10:57like they did with the 900 just to,
10:59to bump up the off road ability and maybe a little bit more,
11:02but you know,
11:03maybe it's just a Brad 50,
11:0550 bike or something like that.
11:07So I don't,
11:08I don't know.
11:09Like it's,
11:10I'm,
11:11I'm honestly excited to ride that one too.
11:12So I guess I'll take that one off my list for later.
11:14I mean,
11:15it'll be,
11:16it'll be interesting because I mean,
11:17naturally we all think about aggressive riding and really like sporty off
11:22road.
11:23I think,
11:24right.
11:25Whereas I think we still do have to remember that it is relatively an
11:27entry-level machine.
11:29Yeah.
11:31We're obviously going to want more performance,
11:33but,
11:34and it's a GS,
11:35which means it's a travel bike,
11:36right?
11:37Yeah.
11:38So good point.
11:39It's got to be comfortable.
11:40It's got to be,
11:41give you the room to not be cramped on it and burn through a full tank of
11:46gas.
11:47So I'm expecting good things from it for sure.
11:50I think so.
11:51Yeah.
11:52I think it's going to have a heated seat and grips probably heated seat
11:54and grips.
11:55So cruise control,
11:58Touring bikes,
11:59anything you're touring on at all.
12:01Gotta have cruise control,
12:02right?
12:03You gotta have the trans out XL seven 50.
12:05When they do that.
12:07Well,
12:08I don't get it.
12:09The,
12:10the Yamaha 10 or a 700 didn't have cruise control until now.
12:13Yeah.
12:14I guess.
12:15Right.
12:16Right.
12:17Bradley.
12:18Yeah.
12:19This is,
12:20you're,
12:21you're moving into my list.
12:22I see segue segue.
12:23I will say,
12:24I think I have the better middle ground bike here on my list.
12:26I like the four 50,
12:27the idea of the four 50 for what it is,
12:29but that T seven.
12:30Now I know the whole thing is this bike.
12:33Isn't massively overhauled for this year.
12:36They,
12:37they added ride by wire throttle,
12:38which we all can agree that that bike needed.
12:40I mean,
12:41it didn't need it,
12:42but it's let's move into the modern era.
12:43You just,
12:44you just,
12:45you just ticked off a bunch of 10 or eight people.
12:47Like you're getting,
12:48you're getting hate mail right now.
12:50They're already writing it.
12:52Well,
12:53I did.
12:54You're saying I did just now by saying,
12:55why is that?
12:56Why you said that it needed ride by wire.
12:58And there are so many fans of January that loved it for its city and that it
13:04didn't have ride by wire and it didn't have that,
13:06you know,
13:07the ride modes and all those things that it's getting now.
13:09And I think there's,
13:11there's a very hard core group of Tannery lovers that feel like that.
13:17It never would need those things.
13:20Totally fair.
13:22Totally fair.
13:23And I,
13:24I do,
13:25I know Adam,
13:26you and I got to ride this bike together last year.
13:28It was my first time spending a lot of time on the T seven and I absolutely
13:32fell in love with it.
13:33Such a great middle ground bike,
13:35in my opinion.
13:36Yeah.
13:37No,
13:38I mean,
13:39I'll agree.
13:40Like I think I even wrote in one of my reviews for the bike,
13:42like it didn't even really feel like it needed traction control or anything
13:45like that.
13:46Like that,
13:47that engine is so predictable in the way it puts down power.
13:50And so tractable.
13:51And I mean,
13:52it really,
13:53and that's what I'm saying.
13:54It didn't really necessarily need it,
13:55but it is modernizing the bike a little bit.
13:58And I,
13:59I mean,
14:00you've got,
14:01you know,
14:02the new dash on it.
14:03We all love that kind of vertical rally style dash.
14:05It's a little bit cleaner.
14:06Now that,
14:07that the dash,
14:08in my opinion,
14:09was always a weak point on the bike.
14:10Obviously they updated it,
14:11made it look better.
14:12And now it looks even better.
14:13I mean,
14:14you're still,
14:15if you're buying a motorcycle,
14:16it's got to look and feel quality.
14:18In my opinion,
14:19it's got to feel modern.
14:20I mean,
14:21this bike is relatively inexpensive in my opinion,
14:23and that's why I do love it.
14:25But you're still spending a decent chunk of your hard-earned money.
14:29And I think to an extent,
14:31you do want some of the latest and greatest technology on it,
14:35and you want it to be modern.
14:36But what's the bike now this year?
14:38It's $11,000,
14:39$10,000,
14:40$9,000.
14:41It's only,
14:42it's $200 more than it was before.
14:43And you're getting a decent amount of upgrades.
14:45Again,
14:46mostly,
14:47mostly tech-based.
14:48You're getting,
14:49I think a little,
14:50a different intake,
14:51which I say should change mid-range performance a little bit on that.
14:54And then a couple of ergonomic things,
14:58but like what I do love about the bike is they didn't change it too much.
15:01And I just think it's such a practical,
15:03great bike.
15:04And it's a little bit,
15:05again,
15:06we talked about what bikes we want to ride this year.
15:07It's a little bit of a selfish thing for me because I just think it's a
15:10great bike.
15:11And now it's just,
15:12again,
15:13adding a touch of that modernity to it.
15:14And.
15:15What?
15:16Yeah.
15:17I mean,
15:18last time I rode that bike.
15:19So I went to the press launch of the very first model.
15:22And even when I rode that bike,
15:26I was like,
15:27it could use trash control.
15:28Trash control is definitely something that it could,
15:30it could use because it can be too happy.
15:33If you're just whacking the throttle wide open on some very skinny mountain
15:37roads.
15:38Cause it has that CP two engine just has so much torque.
15:42Like it's just really rad the way that bike delivers power.
15:45And so I've always thought that it needed trash control just to make it
15:49easier for everybody else to ride.
15:53So I don't agree with the purists.
15:56So I think it for 200 bucks,
15:58that's a such a great value to add those things in.
16:02Yeah.
16:03I mean,
16:04I'm in my opinion,
16:05I guess if we're looking at why I'm excited to ride it,
16:08an already great bike,
16:09it's just a little bit better.
16:11And for hardly any more money over last year's model.
16:14So how could you not be excited about getting out and riding that thing?
16:18I don't know.
16:19I am.
16:20I got a question for you,
16:21Justin,
16:22how much do you use TC on like on an adventure bike off road?
16:25Like can you get in the Sandy stuff and things like that?
16:27For the sand,
16:29you turn it off.
16:30But for everything else,
16:31man,
16:32like I enjoy using trash control.
16:33It is such a good safety net to let you push the bike to the limit.
16:39And not overstep that limit.
16:42It hardly ever ruins the experience.
16:45There are some bikes that the trash controls maybe is not as refined.
16:49And then I turn everything off.
16:50But most of the time,
16:52you know,
16:54I find it.
16:55I find it a very useful tool to be able to really just walk the throttle open
17:02to the stop at every opportunity.
17:05You can.
17:06Yeah.
17:07Fair,
17:08fair,
17:09fair.
17:10Yeah,
17:11I think you're right.
17:12I think it's,
17:13it's,
17:14it's definitely a little bit bike dependent on a system that's clunky.
17:16And,
17:17you know,
17:18when it's,
17:19and then it's all of a sudden preventing that for momentum.
17:21Sure.
17:22It seems like we're getting to a point where systems are getting really
17:25refined,
17:26even on these adventure bikes,
17:27right?
17:28Yeah.
17:29Those are very few and far between at this point.
17:30You know,
17:31I mean,
17:32like some of the bigger bikes with big horsepower,
17:35you know,
17:37You don't put them in the off-road mode or the enduro mode or turn the TC
17:41off.
17:42They won't even move forward sometimes,
17:43but almost everybody has a really good dirt setting now.
17:48That that works,
17:50but maybe not in the soft as the sand,
17:52which just kind of kills your forward momentum.
17:54It may not prevent you from moving forward at all,
17:57but it might ruin some of the drive that you're looking for.
18:00Yeah.
18:01Yeah.
18:02We,
18:03we're going to flip back to the street side,
18:05back to the street side.
18:06Adam,
18:07you got 204,
18:09five,
18:10seven on your list.
18:11I see.
18:12Yeah.
18:13You were speaking about it.
18:14Sister brother modeled of a four or five,
18:16seven sport bike.
18:17And how neat is that?
18:18That they've,
18:19you know,
18:20swapped out the clip ons for a traditional handlebar.
18:23Now it's time to do some upright riding,
18:26you know,
18:27like you had mentioned Justin a little bit more comfort.
18:29Upright,
18:30comfortable.
18:31I'm all about it.
18:32Yeah.
18:33Yeah.
18:34So that,
18:35that bike's for sure going to be a hit.
18:36You know,
18:37we know the price is going to be favorable for that model.
18:43Sorry.
18:44We know the price is good.
18:45Oh,
18:46it's all good.
18:47We know the price is going to be favorable.
18:48It's going to have all the bells and whistles,
18:49like adjustable power modes and traction control.
18:52And we know it's going to have that,
18:54you know,
18:55that,
18:56that,
18:57that style and that fit and finish that we were talking about a few,
18:59a few weeks ago about,
19:00you know,
19:01how RS four or five sevens fitting in the Aprilia RS and RSV line up
19:06really well with its fit and finish and just its whole,
19:09you know,
19:10design language.
19:11So yeah,
19:12I'm really excited to ride that bike.
19:14If you're a new rider,
19:15it's going to be a cool bike.
19:16Yeah,
19:17no,
19:18I agree.
19:19I remember,
19:20I think I might've mentioned it before,
19:21like the first half day that I spent on the RS and riding it around town,
19:26you know,
19:27not being at a track with it.
19:29The first thought was,
19:30this is going to make an excellent naked bike package like this.
19:33You just knew a two owner was coming in.
19:35Like I think I said before,
19:37it's,
19:38it's come sooner than I expected,
19:39but for sure you ride that thing around town.
19:41You're just like,
19:42this is going to make an incredible entry-level naked bike for sure.
19:45Yeah.
19:46Yeah.
19:47Just the looks of them.
19:48They look,
19:49I think they look,
19:50I think they look cool,
19:51man.
19:52They look a little different than what's out there.
19:53And you know,
19:54that twin spar aluminum frame.
19:55Usually people don't use those types of frames on those entry-level bikes.
19:59So neat to see if you're like a real enthusiast,
20:02that's like a real entry-level enthusiast bike,
20:04like a real one.
20:05Yeah.
20:06Yeah,
20:07no,
20:08I,
20:09I agree with you.
20:10I think that's,
20:11that's probably one of the things I love most about that platform right now,
20:13or at least with the RS is the fact that like you have that confidence
20:16inspiring chassis,
20:17that thing that will allow new riders to like actually grow their skillset.
20:20Right.
20:21And grow with the bike and be able to push it more like there.
20:23I think the performance envelope of that platform is,
20:26is relatively high within the entry-level space.
20:30Right.
20:31So I love it for that.
20:32I love the idea of people being able to get on a bike that is going to
20:35help them grow as riders.
20:37It's so important for,
20:38for the motorcycle industry as a whole.
20:40Yeah.
20:41Any thoughts on that bike for you,
20:42Justin,
20:43does that thing float your boat?
20:44Totally.
20:45Just because it's going to be more comfortable.
20:47Although the,
20:48the RS four,
20:49five,
20:50seven is not uncomfortable.
20:51Cause it's still pretty relaxed ergos for a sport bike,
20:55but you know,
20:56the ability to pop more wheelies and lean back and get some room to enjoy a
21:01street ride.
21:02That's where I'm at all about it.
21:04Have you guys noticed a trend toward like all these like small little
21:08headlight cows on bikes nowadays?
21:10Yeah.
21:11I don't know if I'm digging it.
21:13Yeah.
21:14It's really interesting.
21:15Yeah.
21:16Too small.
21:17It's like headlight technology has enabled them,
21:19everything,
21:20the casings to be so small and then that all the units just keep getting
21:23even smaller.
21:24But that seems to be like the trend,
21:26especially with this two on a small front end.
21:28Yeah.
21:29For sure.
21:30For sure.
21:31But you know,
21:33two owners have always looked almost just like some panels removed from a,
21:38from a,
21:39a sport bike.
21:41So this one looks like a naked bike.
21:44Yeah.
21:45Yeah.
21:46I'm good with that.
21:47Yeah.
21:48That's definitely,
21:49that's actually been a trend for Aprilia this,
21:50this year.
21:51They're like pulling the belly pans,
21:53you know,
21:54belly pants off those two owners and making them more naked.
21:56So yeah,
21:57I think that'd be good.
21:58Obviously people are loving naked bikes these days way more than they,
22:01I think they ever have.
22:02Yeah,
22:03for sure.
22:04Yeah.
22:05I agree that Toronto had,
22:06you know,
22:07previous versions have for sure had some questionable styling,
22:09you know,
22:10so it's good to see,
22:11you know,
22:12get them getting to something a little bit more neutral.
22:14You know,
22:15I wouldn't say it looks totally awesome,
22:17but it definitely doesn't look like that.
22:19You know,
22:20member of the old are the first to own a vehicle for how ugly that thing was.
22:24My gosh,
22:25you know,
22:26it doesn't look like that.
22:27No,
22:28definitely not like that.
22:29Yeah.
22:30Never particularly been drawn to the styling.
22:31So maybe yet to your point,
22:32Adam,
22:33it's good that they've gone a little different direction with,
22:35with it this year.
22:36Yeah.
22:37No,
22:38I'm with you.
22:39I do think that's going to,
22:40it's going to be a great bike for,
22:42for new,
22:43right for everybody,
22:44but especially new riders for sure.
22:45Yeah.
22:46What's your next pick,
22:47Justin?
22:48It's actually three bikes.
22:51Also not a lot of info on them.
22:54Kind of just like the,
22:56the BMW F four 50.
22:58And that's KTMs three nineties,
23:01all of them,
23:02all three of them.
23:03And so we're talking about the,
23:04you had to pick one.
23:06Yeah.
23:07The Enduro are SMCR and the adventure are they all just,
23:11you know,
23:12definitely take looking like a big bike.
23:16With a small engine to the next level.
23:18I think,
23:19I think they're all look just really,
23:21really fun to ride.
23:22So especially like the,
23:25I think my favorite is the SMCR just cause I think it's going to be so
23:31playful and so fun with some probably not super,
23:35super sticky tires on it,
23:37but enough to have some great traction,
23:39but also enough to break loose,
23:41throw it around.
23:42This is going to be really fun.
23:44You think that bike's going to be one of those bikes that has the
23:47versatility to like own it long-term.
23:50That's my question on a bike like that.
23:53Hmm.
23:55Yes.
23:56On the adventure are,
23:58and yes,
23:59on the,
24:00the Enduro are,
24:03but maybe not the SMCR.
24:05Yeah.
24:06If that makes sense.
24:07I think if you're going to want to get in performance riding,
24:11that's a great place to start.
24:13And then you may outgrow the SMCR after a couple of years.
24:16Yeah.
24:17Yeah.
24:18I could totally see that.
24:19I mean,
24:20it's one of those ones where you,
24:21you ride it for a little bit,
24:22ride it for a couple of months,
24:24have a fricking blast on the thing,
24:27but like,
24:28maybe it ends up kind of sitting because the actual long-term viability
24:31and versatility of the bike.
24:32Isn't quite there.
24:34I can see the adventure bike that adventure bike for sure.
24:36Oh man,
24:37it's now got a 21 and an 18 inch rear.
24:40And it just,
24:41it just looks like a big bike.
24:43Like I said,
24:44I saw that bike in person and I was like,
24:46it looks like a little,
24:47like,
24:48like it looks like a rally bike.
24:49It looks like an adventure bike.
24:51You don't.
24:52It.
24:53When you used to see the three 90 next to a seven 90 or 12 90,
24:57it was so much smaller and so much lower.
24:59That's not like that now.
25:01It definitely fits the bill more of an adventure bike.
25:04And that's going to give you more space to be,
25:06to have room,
25:07to put bags on it,
25:08to,
25:09you know,
25:10feel comfortable for long rides.
25:11So I'm excited to see that.
25:13Yeah.
25:14So,
25:15you know,
25:16I,
25:17I I'm really interested to see what they do with the horsepower,
25:19what they do with the torque,
25:20what they do with the suspension.
25:22You know,
25:23some of KTM smaller bikes have been coming with adjustable suspension,
25:27front and rear.
25:28So I expect these are going to be the same,
25:30which is going to be pretty rad.
25:32Yeah.
25:34I've been riding that a Husky 401.
25:36And I'll agree,
25:37like having the little,
25:38what KTM has been doing or with the WP stuff,
25:40the little adjustment knobs on the four.
25:42Yeah.
25:43I love that because especially like all ride the bike after Evan,
25:46you know,
25:47our coworker who weighs like half as much as I do.
25:49And he just like softens everything up and it's so easy.
25:52Just click,
25:53like,
25:54okay,
25:55okay,
25:56cool.
25:57We're back.
25:58We're back in a range where I can write it.
26:00Yeah.
26:01My only concern with those bikes is,
26:03especially with like the adventure bike is that engine is buzzy.
26:06That engine is buzzy.
26:07And so like with an adventure bike,
26:09the distancing.
26:10So it's a little bit,
26:11I think again,
26:12with those bikes,
26:13it's a lot like where you live probably.
26:15Right.
26:16Yeah,
26:17I think so.
26:18But we don't know if there,
26:20there may be,
26:21there's some updates,
26:22like maybe they've counterbalanced it better,
26:24you know?
26:25I mean,
26:26if,
26:27if they're doing this much change in this much work,
26:30and adding two models,
26:31I am expecting that the engine has got some significant updates.
26:35It's hard to tell from photos.
26:37It's hard to tell what's been changed inside.
26:40So,
26:41you know,
26:42I think if they're going through this much effort,
26:45perhaps they've listened to the customer and fix that problem a little
26:50bit.
26:51Yeah.
26:52Yeah.
26:53Yeah.
26:54It'll be interesting to see,
26:55because I know they already,
26:56they just did a bunch with the Duke,
26:58right?
26:59But yeah,
27:00I mean,
27:01overall,
27:02I think it's a great platform for sure.
27:03And I think,
27:04again,
27:05it's as long as you're not doing big,
27:06long days,
27:07long stints on the highway.
27:08That's the stuff that really hurts it.
27:09But I think probably off road,
27:10that's a great little platform.
27:12Yeah.
27:13But when you're buying a small motorcycle,
27:15you have to make those trade-offs and you're not expecting to be
27:20comfortable going all the way around the world on one,
27:22right?
27:23Yeah.
27:24Yeah.
27:25Yeah.
27:26Good point.
27:27Yeah.
27:28That's where it's at.
27:29I'm with you.
27:33Yep.
27:34So speaking of small adventure bikes,
27:39I'm looking at your list here,
27:41Bradley,
27:42tell me about this thing.
27:43What's your story?
27:45I'm cheating.
27:46No,
27:47no,
27:48me cheating with a bike.
27:49That's not actually new.
27:50Okay.
27:51I mean,
27:5220,
27:5325 model years,
27:542025 model years.
27:55There you go.
27:56Okay.
27:57So,
27:58yeah,
27:59we're talking CF moto,
28:00IBEX 450.
28:01Okay.
28:02So my thought here is I only rode that bike one day in the
28:07Philippines last year.
28:08I had an absolute blast with it.
28:11The bike is $6,500.
28:13Again,
28:14we go back to like,
28:15I'm all about that middle ground.
28:16Like I love a middle ground.
28:17And so like T seven,
28:18great middle ground bike.
28:20I think obviously this lower displacement,
28:21but I think again,
28:26in terms of what I like is bikes that help grow the sport.
28:30And I think we've obviously already talked a little bit about what CF
28:33moto has been doing.
28:34They've been on the gas.
28:35I think they're building really great product.
28:37And I just,
28:38I want to spend more time on that bike.
28:39I'd really love to know what that bike is like to live with for a
28:43couple months,
28:44big rides,
28:45right.
28:46Back to back with some other things,
28:47like really understand where it fits in this whole ADV puzzle.
28:51Because in some ways,
28:54like dimensionally,
28:55it's more similar to a T seven.
28:57And then,
28:58you know,
28:59obviously power wise,
29:00it's,
29:01it's,
29:02it's less power.
29:03And in some ways you might even compare it to a small displacement
29:05adventure bike.
29:06Right.
29:07It is.
29:08It is that middle.
29:09That's what I'm thinking.
29:10Like that versus the KTM three 90 Enduro are like,
29:13we might have to do a shootout.
29:15Yeah.
29:16And then like,
29:17I don't know.
29:18It's just like,
29:19there's these bookends.
29:20Right.
29:21And then,
29:22but that's what I love about that.
29:23It is,
29:24it is that middle ground between those.
29:25And yeah,
29:26I think the reason I put this on the list is because I do,
29:29I do think it's worth having that conversation of like,
29:32what is this bike like to live with for adventure riders?
29:35Obviously,
29:36you know,
29:37durability is going to be the biggest question and reliability.
29:40I haven't spent extended.
29:42I haven't spent extended period of time on any of the CF moto products.
29:47So I'd love to get out there and just,
29:48you know,
29:49kind of not thrash on the thing,
29:51just spend some more time on it as a normal consumer would and understand
29:56where the thing's at.
29:57So if we're able to do that this year,
30:00get one of those and for go on some really proper adventure rides and proof,
30:06hopefully prove what that thing's capable of,
30:08or maybe prove what it's not capable of.
30:09And maybe,
30:10you know,
30:11it doesn't meet the expectations,
30:12but I think more time on that bike,
30:14because if it matches what I remember from my day with it last year,
30:20at that price tag and with the features that you do get,
30:23man,
30:24that's such a winner that more people really should consider.
30:27So I don't know.
30:28I really enjoyed that bike.
30:29I think it looks cool.
30:31And yeah,
30:32you just,
30:33you can't argue with the price too.
30:34I don't know.
30:35I might,
30:36I might get some flack for this one.
30:37I don't know.
30:38Like I,
30:39I was excited to see that motorcycle,
30:42especially at the price point.
30:45But also there's still some questions about,
30:49you know,
30:50at that price point,
30:52you do make some concessions for quality.
30:55Right.
30:56So that would be my one question to on that bike,
31:01like performance wise,
31:02like I expect it to perform well and do some cool stuff,
31:05but how's it going to hold up?
31:07Like,
31:08I really would like to take it and beat on it in for,
31:11you know,
31:12weeks of like hard,
31:13hard writing to see what it does,
31:14you know?
31:15Yeah.
31:16And then the whole thing of like,
31:17okay,
31:18now if we,
31:19if we do break something,
31:20what does it look like trying to get parts for that?
31:21Cause that's a lot of people's questions,
31:22right?
31:23Yeah.
31:24I mean like CF moto,
31:25like their dealer network is growing quickly.
31:28So I don't think it would be as big of a problem as you think.
31:35And it depends on where you want to ride the thing too.
31:40Like,
31:41so say you're going to go on a long trip to central America.
31:44There's tons of CF motos in other countries,
31:48way more than the U S and you might actually have an easier time finding
31:53parts in other parts of the world for a CF moto than you would for a KTM
31:58or a BMW or even a Yamaha.
32:01Interesting.
32:02Yeah.
32:03Yeah.
32:04It's a good point.
32:05I didn't even,
32:06yeah,
32:07I didn't think about that.
32:09Yeah.
32:10Yeah.
32:11So yeah,
32:12no,
32:13I love that four 50 parallel twin.
32:14I think it's a really,
32:15I mean,
32:16that thing sounds good.
32:17I don't know if you've heard one of those things with an exhaust on it,
32:19but like,
32:20Ooh,
32:21it's like,
32:22it's pretty impressive.
32:23I remember talking to Biggie at Yosh and they had a,
32:25one of the four 50 naked bikes and yeah,
32:27put an exhaust on.
32:28He's like,
32:29it's incredible,
32:30but yeah.
32:31And then the thing looks good.
32:32It's got all the little features that you'd want.
32:33The one thing I will say to your point that I did experience at the press
32:37ride last year,
32:38which is one of the reasons why I've got the bike on the list this year.
32:40And I really like to spend more time with it.
32:42The suspension,
32:43not,
32:44it didn't really live up to the expectations.
32:45It kind of had that kind of entry level feel to it.
32:48And it kind of like a little bit of a harshness,
32:50just like that little bit of a chatter that you get through,
32:52like kind of low quality budget based bits.
32:55And I'm curious how much you can kind of tune that out.
32:58Obviously at a,
32:59at a first ride of it,
33:00you don't get too much of an opportunity to do that.
33:02You're always on the go and moving.
33:04Yeah.
33:06I think you were saying that like,
33:09they were pretty strict on you making changes on the bike and playing with
33:13things to,
33:14to see if you can make it better.
33:16Right.
33:17Like they were,
33:18you know,
33:19they had a lot of people on that press launch and so managing,
33:23keeping track of clicker settings and stuff like that.
33:26I'm sure they were just like,
33:27Nope,
33:28forget it.
33:29No one can touch stuff.
33:30So,
33:31which should have snuck some more,
33:32but yeah,
33:33no,
33:35it's one of those things I would love to.
33:37I think that's,
33:38again,
33:39I just want more time on the bike and that's why I put it on this list
33:41because I think that's a really important bike to get some time onto and
33:45understand fully,
33:46you know what,
33:47where it's places in,
33:49in the category and in motorcycling right now.
33:51What,
33:52what about you?
33:53He'd like,
33:54what's your take on,
33:55on the Ibex and CF moto in general from your side?
33:58Well,
33:59honestly,
34:00I,
34:01I'm pretty unfamiliar with this product,
34:03but,
34:04you know,
34:05looking at the spec sheet,
34:06you know,
34:07or looking at the specs is just like,
34:09I went to that,
34:10that power sports dealership a couple of weeks ago and seeing that CF moto
34:14four 50 sport bike.
34:15And,
34:16you know,
34:17I think we talked about this before,
34:18but you know,
34:19they don't look super neat to me,
34:20but I asked the salesman,
34:22I'm like,
34:23how are these things selling?
34:24He's like,
34:25Oh boys,
34:26like these things are just flying off the showroom.
34:27It's just like,
34:28look at it.
34:29It's got the Ellie's LCD color TFT dash.
34:31It's got the Brembo brakes.
34:32It's got all these features that are usually absent at vehicles at that
34:37price point.
34:38And,
34:39you know,
34:40I think that's really what's working in CF motors favors,
34:42or they're adding a lot of value.
34:44And,
34:45and again,
34:46you know,
34:47a lot of customers these days,
34:48I mean,
34:49a lot of customers are real brand loyal,
34:51but a lot of younger people are more brand agnostic.
34:53They don't really care about what brand is long as it has the features and
34:57benefits.
34:58And most importantly,
34:59the price tag that they're looking to spend.
35:01So exactly.
35:02I mean,
35:03that's a,
35:04that's a super solid point is that price right now,
35:08probably plays a bigger part in decision-making than it had five years ago or
35:1510 years ago.
35:16Right?
35:17Like,
35:18you know,
35:19especially if you're,
35:20you're young and getting into motorcycling,
35:21you may not have as much expendable income because of the price of housing
35:25and food and groceries and all these things.
35:28So,
35:29you know,
35:30you got to find the value,
35:31right?
35:32Yeah.
35:33And then if the bike still meets expectations,
35:35you know,
35:36and performs.
35:37Yep.
35:38I think it's a good bike.
35:39I think that's a good one.
35:40I'm pretty,
35:41I'm pretty happy to have that one on the list of definitely a big,
35:43I am genuinely excited.
35:45So Bradley's our sport bike guy and well,
35:51Adam is too,
35:52but he's has not talked about a sport bike yet that he wants to ride.
35:56What's up with that?
35:58I mean,
35:59the sport bike world is so interesting to me right now.
36:01Like it's,
36:02it's,
36:03there's this evolution within this change in the sport bike world and yeah,
36:07nothing is really,
36:09really caught my eye except for obviously the big bikes,
36:12you know,
36:13I'm a sucker for a Panigale V4 S those things,
36:15but I recognize it's not,
36:17it's not for everybody.
36:19And again,
36:20my big thing is,
36:21is I really want to support to continue to grow.
36:24And I don't think those bikes necessarily help in that.
36:26I think,
36:29yeah,
36:30so I've got RS,
36:32probably RS 660 factory on the list.
36:35Now this is because,
36:38so I,
36:39one of my,
36:40my,
36:41maybe my second race bike and the second third was an SV 650.
36:45And like some of the best years I ever had racing.
36:47Like I genuinely believe that is how you grow as a rider is going out,
36:52going out on a mid displacement twin.
36:55Like,
36:56I think those are the best motorcycle for people to learn.
36:59There's just enough power where,
37:01you know,
37:02you've got to,
37:03you got to be careful and the inputs that you're making to the bike and,
37:06and really think through,
37:08you know,
37:09you're riding,
37:10but not so much that you're going to hurt yourself and you can,
37:12you can do things.
37:13You can get to a point where you,
37:15you know,
37:16get in the front tire to kind of move on you or you're squirming the rear.
37:18And,
37:19and then you've,
37:20you got to obviously build your skillset right around the bike,
37:23starting to do those things.
37:24I think this RS 660 is like the perfect example of a,
37:29a modern middleweight twin.
37:31You think so?
37:32Like,
37:33I think so.
37:34All those things you're talking about with an SC 650.
37:36Like,
37:37I think that you're learning a lot of stuff because the chassis isn't
37:39completely composed and completely sorted.
37:43Yeah.
37:44Like,
37:45you know,
37:46you're learning to do things because the bike moves around a lot and squirms
37:49and changes and the frame flexes and all those things.
37:52But does that happen with an RS 660,
37:55especially a factory?
37:58That,
37:59that is a great point.
38:00I guess my immediate thing is,
38:02well,
38:03yeah,
38:04you start to,
38:05you're going to reach the limits of that bike.
38:06I mean,
38:07obviously the,
38:08the,
38:09the ceiling,
38:10the potential of that bike is,
38:11is higher.
38:12And so it's going to take longer,
38:13but I'm,
38:14I'm all for,
38:15again,
38:16looking at value and amortizing costs.
38:18I would,
38:19I love the idea of being able to buy a bike where you're not going to reach
38:23its limits within a year or two.
38:25Right.
38:26I think,
38:27and I think this bike kind of has that.
38:29I,
38:30I believe I,
38:31I,
38:32again,
38:33it's on the list cause I really want to ride it and understand it.
38:35But yeah,
38:36I think this is a bike.
38:38I think it's going to offer a little bit more for attract a guy,
38:42you know,
38:43an amateur club racer.
38:45I think there's,
38:46there's the,
38:47there is the potential,
38:48you know,
38:49again,
38:50it's,
38:51it's got,
38:52it's not a bike.
38:53That's going to bite you,
38:54but there's enough potential to,
38:56to grow as a rider and then to not outgrow it.
38:59Super,
39:00super fast.
39:01One of the things that got me excited about this is I went out to CVMA,
39:05which is the race series out of check wall valley raceway out by us maybe a
39:11month and a half ago.
39:13And man,
39:15I genuinely just got excited walking around the paddock.
39:17I was shocked at how many of those middleweight twins were out there.
39:20And like,
39:21partly there was a couple of artists,
39:23six,
39:2460s and those things in race trim are just like absolutely beautiful.
39:27Absolutely beautiful.
39:29I think,
39:30and I think this new bike,
39:31yeah,
39:32it carries in all that.
39:33Not,
39:34it's not heavily updated.
39:35Obviously this,
39:36this for the new model year,
39:37they've only got a couple of real small changes,
39:39mostly like emissions related stuff that we're actually still kind of digging
39:42into on the,
39:43on the Aprilia platform.
39:44But I think that's a good platform to be on.
39:49I really do.
39:50You're a fan of that bike too,
39:52though.
39:53He'd right.
39:54Yeah.
39:55I,
39:56I like the R a six 60.
39:57I think it's,
39:58it's a neat bike.
39:59You know,
40:00it's,
40:01you know,
40:02we've seen that,
40:03that bike,
40:04that platform has been a real success for,
40:06you know,
40:07Piaggio group and,
40:08and Aprilia in America,
40:09you know,
40:10that's really helped booster booster their sales,
40:12you know,
40:13a lot of people are,
40:14we're receptive to it.
40:15The price is right.
40:16You know,
40:17it's decently,
40:18you know,
40:19fast and yeah,
40:20that thing's a neat bike,
40:21you know,
40:22but what I'm really excited about is the,
40:25the tuning forks version of the RS six 60,
40:28the,
40:29why is the FR nine,
40:30you know,
40:31a little bit larger displacement,
40:32not necessarily the same category.
40:34I mean,
40:35you could argue to your blue in your face if it's the same category or not,
40:38but realistically it's not,
40:39you know,
40:40six 60 parallel twin versus a,
40:42you know,
40:43900 CC in line three.
40:45What is,
40:46what is the middleweight sport bike category these days?
40:49It's all over the place.
40:51Yeah.
40:52So,
40:53but I,
40:54I think,
40:55you know,
40:56there's a lot of people excited about that bike.
40:57Obviously when they announced it,
40:59the world went crazy and you know,
41:03it's definitely probably upping the,
41:08the ante a little bit against the parallel twins with the,
41:11the CP three engine.
41:13Right.
41:14So I think that's,
41:16I mean,
41:17I'd argue it's a different playground,
41:18honestly,
41:19a little bit.
41:20It can be for sure.
41:21I mean,
41:22like,
41:23you know,
41:24like you're not going to put it up against a thousand CC sport bike,
41:27but are you going to put it up against a Suzuki GSX eight R?
41:31Yeah,
41:32that's a great point actually.
41:33Cause I obviously approached stuff from like the racing side and looking at,
41:36you know,
41:37Moto America series where they're two completely different classes,
41:39right?
41:40You got your twins cup or you've got next gen,
41:42you know,
41:43super sport.
41:44But if you look at it from like a showroom side,
41:46these probably are people cross shopping those bikes.
41:49Yeah.
41:50Very much.
41:51So I think so.
41:52Good.
41:53The good thing about Suzuki is they have a way more favorable price point
41:56than this.
41:57Why is the FR nine?
41:58That's why is the FR nine is going to be $12,500,
42:01you know?
42:02So that's something that's really going to work into Suzuki's favor on the
42:05showroom floor.
42:06You know?
42:07Yeah.
42:08If you were,
42:09if they were cross shopping,
42:10but yeah,
42:11maybe,
42:12maybe,
42:13you know,
42:14the point is,
42:15is the R nine is its own category for now.
42:17Who knows?
42:18But maybe not,
42:19you know,
42:20it's kind of.
42:21No,
42:22not with the V,
42:23I think that the new pedagogy too,
42:24it's like,
42:25those ones are going to be.
42:26Right.
42:27Yeah.
42:28Those could be pretty close to each other.
42:29And but there's a huge price difference there,
42:31you know,
42:32but you know,
42:33in terms of like,
42:34there might be some people that are like,
42:36that want a leader bike,
42:37but are like,
42:38one is too expensive or it's too much power.
42:40And then they step down to this or the,
42:42the Panigale V2.
42:43And then there's going to be people that kind of aspirational that go,
42:46they walk in looking for a parallel twin.
42:48And then they see the R nine and they're like,
42:50what is this thing?
42:51And they're like,
42:52oh,
42:53well,
42:54it's only a little bit more and it's got way more power.
42:57Let me start it and let you hear it.
42:58And then you go sign me up.
42:59Yeah.
43:00What are you most excited about on that thing,
43:02Adam?
43:03I guess the most,
43:04the thing I'm most excited about is just,
43:06it's cool that,
43:07you know,
43:08the tuning fork brand has a stepping stone between,
43:10you know,
43:11the YZFR seven,
43:12which,
43:13you know,
43:14you know,
43:15it's cool to see a lot of those motorcycles on the road.
43:17And,
43:18you know,
43:19the,
43:20you know,
43:21the,
43:22you know,
43:23you know,
43:24it's cool to see a lot of those motorcycles on the road.
43:26You know,
43:27I see them quite a bit on the road,
43:29but you know,
43:30they're,
43:31they're kind of wimpy,
43:32you know,
43:33kind of wimpy.
43:34So it'll be kind of,
43:35it'll be neat to see a bike that's maybe not so wimpy,
43:37maybe a little bit closer to,
43:39you know,
43:40the YZFR one's sport pedigree,
43:42certainly not at its sport pedigree,
43:44but just a little bit more.
43:46So,
43:47you know,
43:48I'm just really excited to see just that stepping stone where,
43:50you know,
43:51it's something that's got a little more pizzazz than YZFR seven,
43:54but maybe not as wild nor as expensive as,
43:57you know,
43:58the inline four powered YZFR one.
44:00Yeah.
44:01Yeah.
44:02No,
44:03good point.
44:04I mean,
44:05I do,
44:06I think it was cool.
44:07They put,
44:08you know,
44:09some decent brakes on the thing.
44:10I think we all can agree that the Yamaha brakes in recent history have not
44:12been spectacular on their sport bikes.
44:13Right.
44:14So yeah,
44:15this thing's got some decent brakes on it.
44:17The upgrade suspension.
44:18Yeah.
44:20So yeah,
44:21no,
44:22I think you,
44:23I think it's a good bike.
44:24I mean,
44:25obviously just,
44:26just out of curiosity,
44:27right.
44:28Of what the thing's going to be like for sure.
44:29It belongs on this list.
44:30Cause.
44:31Yeah,
44:32for sure.
44:33Yeah.
44:34I bet they'll do well with that bike.
44:35Yeah,
44:36I agree.
44:37Yeah,
44:38I agree.
44:39I think they'll sell the heck out of those things.
44:40Yeah.
44:41It's going to be,
44:42it's going to be cool.
44:43So in terms of 900,
44:44so I've got a different 900 on my list,
44:45which is probably one that no one's expecting me to put on it,
44:47but it's the Triumph Speed Twin 900.
44:51I've always liked Triumph's Speed Twin models.
44:55Speed 1200 is super sick.
44:58The Speed 400,
45:00that little bike.
45:01I love it.
45:02I think it's like one of the best values you can get in motorcycling.
45:05And the handle's pretty cool and all that.
45:07And right smack in the middle is the,
45:10the new Speed Twin 900.
45:12It's got a new fork on it.
45:13It's got piggyback shocks,
45:14new radial mount brakes.
45:17Lean sensitive TC,
45:18lean sensitive ABS.
45:20So it's,
45:21it's definitely getting more sportier than it was,
45:25which I think is,
45:26is super awesome.
45:27And then it's got this power that's usable,
45:30but it's not crazy.
45:31So it's like 65 horsepower,
45:3360 foot pounds of torque.
45:35It weighs like 475 pounds.
45:38So it's not like it's got this crazy power to weight or a lot of torque or,
45:43but it's just kind of like,
45:44it's going to be a really fun parallel twin engine.
45:47That's got some cool style that looks standard,
45:51almost retro-ish,
45:52but you get up close and you're like,
45:54Oh,
45:55those are nice forks.
45:56Those are nice shocks.
45:57Like that's some big brakes.
45:58Like,
45:59I think it's going to,
46:00it's going to be really fun.
46:01And it's less than 10 grand.
46:03Yeah.
46:04Those bikes kind of go under the radar a little bit,
46:05huh?
46:06The speeds you feel like?
46:07Very much so.
46:08And I think that's,
46:09that's part of it is like you could,
46:10you could park that thing at a cafe with a bunch of,
46:13you know,
46:14customs and stuff.
46:15And people are going to be like,
46:16that thing's sick.
46:18And then you can head up into the canyons and like hang with people on
46:22sport bikes.
46:23And they're going to be like,
46:24what is going on here?
46:25Like,
46:26I thought you were going up to the top to get another coffee.
46:28Yeah.
46:29So.
46:30Yeah.
46:31No,
46:32I agree.
46:33I agree with you on that one.
46:34That's a good,
46:35good call on that one.
46:36Good call.
46:37Something a little different.
46:38Yeah.
46:39I've always been a fan of,
46:40of those,
46:41those bikes.
46:42Just.
46:43They're kind of like,
46:44you know,
46:45you could dress it up and dress it down all,
46:47you know,
46:48in terms of yourself too.
46:49Like,
46:50you know,
46:51like I said,
46:52you could ride it to dinner parking in front of a nice restaurant and no
46:54one's going to be like,
46:55I'll get that,
46:56you know,
46:57road racer out of the front of our restaurant.
46:59And then the next day you could go and slay some roads with it.
47:04And I'm hoping that's what this bike's going to be.
47:06I mean,
47:07I'm basing my opinion on the speed twin 1200 and the,
47:11the speed 400,
47:13which I think both are excellent handling motorcycles.
47:15So have you,
47:17have you guys spent any time on any of those speeds?
47:22I think I've ridden the old 1200 probably.
47:25Yeah.
47:26They're speed twin.
47:27I I'm an advocate of that model.
47:28I mean,
47:29they look super awesome,
47:30super tasteful,
47:31have decent performance sound.
47:33Awesome.
47:34I mean,
47:35on paper,
47:36I feel like should totally do well,
47:37nice sub $10,000 price point,
47:39you know,
47:40I think they're cool.
47:41I agree.
47:42Yeah.
47:43And then I did the 400.
47:44I rode the 400.
47:46Yeah.
47:47And I,
47:48I,
47:49I think,
47:50yeah,
47:51Triumph does a really good job of just,
47:52just nice classic bikes,
47:55but that still have all that performance to them.
47:59I wouldn't,
48:00shouldn't say performance,
48:01but like a nice,
48:02really solid chassis,
48:03really good power delivery on the engine.
48:05Just bikes that work.
48:07And it's like,
48:08and there's,
48:09there's also a thing.
48:11I think if you were,
48:12you know,
48:13as we,
48:14we own motorcycles,
48:15right.
48:16But we also are around a lot of motorcycles.
48:18And sometimes we don't think about like,
48:20what do we like to put that thing in your garage and own it as an owner.
48:24And you can't ever be disappointed in a triumph.
48:27If it's in your garage,
48:29the paint's awesome.
48:30The hardware is awesome.
48:31Fit and finish is awesome.
48:33Like you don't,
48:35it's like a nice watch,
48:37you know,
48:38like it's something to be proud of and to be even just stared at and looked at
48:42and studied a lot of the time.
48:44Yeah.
48:45No,
48:46and I like the point you made.
48:47I'm all about versatility.
48:48I love getting my money's worth.
48:49And I,
48:50and to your point,
48:51a bike like that.
48:52Yeah.
48:53It's,
48:54you can commute on it.
48:55You can take it out on date night and then on Saturday morning,
48:58you can go rip up into the canyons.
49:00So yeah,
49:02a bike like that is really good for that.
49:04Yeah.
49:05Highly,
49:06highly versatile.
49:07So,
49:08you know,
49:09I think that,
49:10that tops out,
49:11you know,
49:12my list,
49:13we kind of,
49:14you know,
49:15we've got everything.
49:16It's,
49:17it's got everything.
49:18Like the only thing we didn't really talk about was cruisers,
49:20I guess.
49:21And well,
49:24last year was the big year for cruisers and Bradley still Bradley's probably
49:28still holding onto that,
49:29that Harley.
49:31So anyway,
49:36I think I think that's the end of our list for this episode.
49:42You know,
49:43I think there's a lot of great bikes out there right now.
49:46A lot of,
49:47we talked about a lot of like small displacement and middleweight banks and
49:51none of us really talked about big bore,
49:54which was interesting,
49:56right?
49:58That's a good point.
49:59Yeah.
50:00It seems like that's kind of where the industry is right now.
50:03I mean,
50:04obviously we've got,
50:05you know,
50:06BMW updated their S one thousands and we wrote the Panigale last year,
50:09but it seems like the industry is trying to fill this small and mid
50:14categories right now.
50:15Yeah,
50:16for sure.
50:17I bet.
50:18I mean,
50:19there was,
50:20there was some,
50:21some big bike stuff that came out to,
50:23you know,
50:24this year,
50:25you know,
50:26and all those things and no one picked that.
50:29So,
50:30I mean,
50:31in for us to not go after the big gnarly stuff,
50:34it says a lot about the quality of the small and mid displacement bikes that
50:39are coming up in the range right now.
50:42Yeah.
50:43Yeah.
50:44That's a good point.
50:45I feel like there's,
50:46you're starting to,
50:47there's like almost a lot more trickle down tech these days and your small
50:50and mid displacement bikes.
50:51Aren't these like entry level little side things that don't have the quality
50:55and pass as to them.
50:56Right.
50:57I mean,
50:58what you're talking about in a lot of these cases,
51:00lean sensitive electronics and big old TFT displays,
51:04all that stuff has made their way into the small and mid displacement
51:08category.
51:09And so like,
51:10yeah,
51:11they're actually pretty appeasing packages now more than ever.
51:13I would say,
51:14you know,
51:15it's a,
51:16it's a good time to get into motorcycling and it's a good time to be in
51:18motorcycling for sure.
51:19So once again,
51:21I think that's the end of our podcast for this one.
51:24Listeners,
51:25please let us know what you think.
51:26What bike right now,
51:28are you looking to ride in 2025?
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51:32you know,
51:33what's on your short list?
51:34What do you,
51:35if you're a younger listener,
51:37what poster are you hanging in the wall in your bedroom to,
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