El equipo de Alerta 24/7 cuestionó al abogado Juan Pablo Gallego por sus conflictos personales y su enfoque en el caso.
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00:00Was it sent to someone?
00:03Maybe yes, I don't doubt it, maybe yes.
00:07At that moment, did you realize, José,
00:09that they were insisting too much on taking pictures of your son?
00:12Yes, I don't know.
00:14They are used to taking pictures.
00:16And I don't distrust anything.
00:18The aunts, the cousins, they were there.
00:21Why distrust?
00:22You don't take pictures and then send them back to you,
00:25or remember that day.
00:28But I didn't think about that.
00:32Here, what you see,
00:34I will never question my parents.
00:39Never.
00:40Until I have some kind of proof that says otherwise,
00:45I will not question it.
00:46Yes, maybe.
00:47Yes, maybe.
00:48What I asked for was a tie.
00:50What I was talking about today,
00:53with what I talk about in my house, for example.
00:56In this case, he tells you that he didn't distrust the aunts
00:59because they were your cousins.
01:00At the time of the agreement.
01:02Yes, yes, today he said that.
01:04But give me what he said at home, let's see.
01:08Here, now, one that is from the street,
01:11do you notice people's movements and faces?
01:14Something strange?
01:15Actually, nothing strange.
01:17Nothing, the aunt, when she spoke to you, normal?
01:19Yes.
01:20Normal?
01:21Yes.
01:22Did you come the same?
01:23Yes.
01:24Well, what I thought was that I had already left,
01:26I thought, here, here, here, here.
01:28And I left.
01:32What did they say?
01:33No, no.
01:34What did they say?
01:35No, there is a camp there, a camp there.
01:37Did your daughter get sick?
01:39No, my daughter is calm now.
01:41She doesn't go out.
01:4276 years old.
01:43It's a big camp.
01:4476 years old.
01:45She doesn't go out anymore.
01:46It's a big camp.
01:47She doesn't go to the mortars, she doesn't go to the guerrillas,
01:48she doesn't go to the hostages.
01:49Because you see,
01:50here what you are going to have to get used to, José,
01:52and I am going to be honest with you,
01:54I am a very special journalist,
01:56I am not the one who is very normal.
01:59They told me that they are a gang, the family.
02:03Do you belong to that?
02:05No.
02:06No?
02:07No, I'm Catholic.
02:08People talk to you.
02:10People talk to you.
02:11So what's best for me is to ask you and you answer me.
02:14I'm for the saints, but no.
02:16Do you think this can be something satanic,
02:18what the saints say and all that?
02:20No.
02:21No?
02:22No.
02:23What did you feel when your sister said it was an accident?
02:27I saw it as a lie.
02:29It was a lie?
02:30Yes.
02:31But it's a lie.
02:32When did you start trusting your sister?
02:35And it's not trust after,
02:37when she got married to the other, you see.
02:40That's when I started.
02:42And I didn't do anything, you see.
02:45Do you trust your sister?
02:48Well, more or less, yes.
02:50Look, here what you have is that,
02:52in all the interviews I've been given,
02:54he never names Ramírez and Amillapi.
02:56Never.
02:57He didn't have them registered.
02:58He never names Ramírez and Amillapi.
03:00And today he clearly said Ramírez and Amillapi, Benítez.
03:06But let's see what he said today.
03:08Let's see.
03:11Did you start suspecting something strange?
03:13Yes.
03:14I suspected one or two.
03:16And I said, no, they did something to her.
03:18One or two? Who?
03:19Amillapi, Ramírez and Benítez.
03:21There were three of them there.
03:23And I said, why did my sister have to go all the way to the gate and come back?
03:28But why?
03:29Did you suspect that they had taken her?
03:32Of course.
03:33And how could we not find her?
03:35There was a twist in everything.
03:39Because you went out to the mountains and saw the other side.
03:44Of course.
03:45Go that way.
03:48Well, here, clearly,
03:50Indigo or Carlos, you who are very attentive, Lu too,
03:56here he focuses directly on Amillapi, Ramírez and Benítez.
04:00Yes.
04:01You know that when I listened to the interview you gave him,
04:03I thought, with respect to what you did to Andino today,
04:07a great note.
04:09I said, well, maybe over time he began to doubt his relatives.
04:12But in the note with Andino he says that at first he begins to suspect
04:16Amillapi and Ramírez.
04:18That difference from what you were saying three or four months ago, right?
04:21Yes.
04:22When he came here.
04:23When he came here, of course.
04:24In the last few days, and now we are going to be talking to Marcelo Hanson,
04:27who is Amillapi's lawyer, Ramírez, who has asked for an oversight of his clients.
04:31You know what's going on.
04:32Juan Pablo Gallego named and focused on Ramírez and Amillapi.
04:38We do not understand whether to shed light on the cause or to hit him,
04:45let's say, give a shot of elevation to Hanson himself.
04:48I want to ask you, to get all the people who are out of the program,
04:53if not my colleagues, my colleagues, my friends.
04:57When I heard that Dr. Gallego said that we were facing a coup d'état,
05:05what does it mean?
05:06What?
05:07Yes, so I said the same thing as you.
05:09What?
05:10So.
05:11Today with Andino?
05:12Yes.
05:13Ah, I didn't hear it.
05:14That they wanted to give a coup d'état.
05:15A coup d'état.
05:16Yes, I don't understand.
05:17A posteriori during the investigation.
05:19I mean, one can ...
05:20But stop, stop, a coup d'état is something else, guys.
05:23Yes, it is a figure totally ...
05:25I mean, we go from the football metaphors ...
05:28No, no, and besides, it is the government's dismissal.
05:32A coup d'état in the Plaza de Corrientes, he said.
05:36I want to hear that cut, because the truth is that to give an opinion on something so delicate without ...
05:40No, and besides, of course, what context did he say?
05:42That's why I support you guys and I ask you for your help too,
05:45because it seemed a lot to me, but maybe you tell me,
05:48no, Nahú, it's in the context of this ...
05:50I want to hear it.
05:51Listen to it.
05:53Vera declared, confessed that he runs on July 9th,
06:00and through Dr. Cutaya,
06:05who now offered to put new lawyers to support his version,
06:09in the same way that he put ...
06:11But that was all later, doctor, they appear after the scene.
06:14Of course, but Macarena was.
06:16Okay, but Vera appears ... What is Vera's interest?
06:20Well, you'll have to explain it.
06:22He also wanted to give a coup d'état.
06:24He felt the Aldo Rico of this era, painted yellow,
06:29who was going to give a coup d'état.
06:31Then I say, here they stole a boy.
06:33So, what interested him was Vera, who is filmed,
06:37and what Vera declared, who was filmed.
06:39Let's see, who comes up with it?
06:40Go with a truck on July 9th, tell Cutaya,
06:43Bring me Camila.
06:45Investigation of Vera Camila.
06:47Bring me Macarena.
06:48A 21-year-old girl.
06:50Lock her in my truck for an hour.
06:52How?
06:53Macarena and Camila have to testify before the court,
06:56not before Mr. Vera.
06:57Now, Juan Pablo, this is circumscribed to current,
07:01to July 9th, I say,
07:03no further, no border crossing,
07:05or at this point we no longer know?
07:08We know that there are many people who know where Logan is,
07:12and who did with Logan.
07:13So we ask you to return it and tell us where it is.
07:16I understood.
07:17I already understood what he meant.
07:19Totally unfortunate, right?
07:21Eh?
07:22Totally unfortunate.
07:23What does Aldo Rico have here?
07:25It's true, but it's true.
07:26At some point, let's see, I take out the coup d'état,
07:28a delirium, a delirium.
07:30No, but we can't let the deliriums pass like that.
07:33No, it's okay.
07:34Let me subtitle it.
07:36Juan Pablo Gallego.
07:37I know you love him, he's your friend, whatever you want.
07:40No, I don't love him.
07:41But it seems to me that there are unfortunate phrases, guys.
07:44Nothing, guys.
07:45It seems to me that...
07:46But he incriminates himself.
07:47Why do I say that?
07:48Because it's true, there were parallel states.
07:51Who has the power to investigate, to judge justice?
07:55The judicial power.
07:56The police, the state.
07:58The judicial power.
07:59The police power, as they say.
08:01The power to investigate it is held by justice
08:04and uses the auxiliaries of justice,
08:06which are the security forces.
08:07Perfect.
08:08Good.
08:09So what he meant to tell me,
08:10it gives me the feeling that there were certain characters
08:13who did a parallel investigation.
08:16Parallel.
08:17In this case, those who used the facade of the Dupuy Foundation
08:21to make cameras, to interview minors.
08:25A coup d'état is to overthrow a government, isn't it?
08:28Yes, yes, yes.
08:29Look, first, in non-verbal communication,
08:34there is a lot of doubt in what Juan Pablo was saying.
08:39Again, I always tell you, I have written to him,
08:41he stopped answering me, I don't know why.
08:43Everyone has their own way of acting.
08:46A lot of this in his answer.
08:48This, this, and you know that this is a resource
08:51to think about what you are going to say.
08:53And it seems very serious to me, again,
08:56to raise a cloud of smoke, coup d'état.
09:03Loan has disappeared five months ago.
09:06The lawyer goes with the family.
09:08To Guille's show.
09:10And he starts talking.
09:11He really wanted to give a coup d'état.
09:13Let me say something.
09:14That is, that is.
09:15There I criticize him.
09:16Diego, Diego.
09:17Yes.
09:18Speaking in the Loan case of a coup d'état is the same.
09:22This is the same.
09:23Remember you.
09:24This is the same people who talked about the Dupuy band.
09:27A delirium.
09:28To infuriate the Rufui family.
09:29He said it today.
09:30Today he was talking about the Dupuy band again.
09:32What is the only thing that Gallego did until today, for me?
09:36Deliver personal battles.
09:38He fought with Vera.
09:40He fought with Ramón Dupuy.
09:42He fought with us.
09:44He fought with Mónica Chiribín.
09:48He is trying, in my understanding,
09:50to fight with Marcelo Hanson.
09:52Let's say he swept the field.
09:54But what amazes me, let's see,
09:56because, let's see, at one point he says,
09:59he grabs and says,
10:01to this 21-year-old girl.
10:04But suddenly I hear that he turns around and says,
10:07Macarena, return Loan.
10:09Macarena.
10:11Is the 21-year-old girl Macarena, return Loan?
10:14He said, Macarena, return Loan,
10:16because your mother may have a life sentence.
10:19Well, you give me the right foot,
10:21because Loan's mother went to Macarena's house, right?
10:28But what security do you have?
10:30I say that too.
10:31I think...
10:32To do something that should not be done,
10:34and that is to go to court.
10:36No, but let's see,
10:37I'm not going to say anything to the mother and the father,
10:39because it's all worth it.
10:40Yes.
10:41Yes, to get your son back, it's all worth it.
10:42La Querella caught minors,
10:44to look for minors,
10:45to make reconstructions,
10:46outside the court too.
10:48I think you have to be very prudent.
10:50Very prudent.
10:52Ramírez and Misiapis are the ones who kidnapped Loan.
10:57The head, the brain of all this is Laudelina.
11:01And Macarena returned Loan.
11:04So...
11:05But I don't want to say it.
11:06Look, listen to him.
11:08And I take this opportunity to ask you, Macarena,
11:10Macarena Peña,
11:12let's finish with the lies
11:14and the threats of Mr. Vera
11:17in that famous meeting,
11:19in that strange inquiry, Macarena,
11:22where Vera tells you not to speak,
11:24where Vera tells you not to return Loan.
11:28Let's finish with this.
11:29Macarena, you are not the one who sank Loan's shoe.
11:34It was your mother.
11:36You are not covering her, you are sinking her.
11:39Your mother goes on forever if you don't speak.
11:41So I returned Loan, Macarena.
11:44Your mother was so clumsy
11:46that her shoe sank
11:48and she had to be dragged later with a stick
11:50when she wanted to make it appear.
11:52These kidnappers are so stupid.
11:55So, Macarena, don't be afraid.
11:57They are deceiving you, they are threatening you.
11:59Mr. Vera is appointing lawyers to all the prisoners
12:02so that they don't speak, to save himself.
12:05Mr. Vera writes letters to himself
12:08to avoid being called where he is going to be called.
12:11Macarena, don't be afraid.
12:13Tell the truth. Return your cousin.
12:15Return your cousin.
12:17Return...
12:18It's a lot, I think.
12:20For me, it's a threat.
12:22I don't know if it's a threat.
12:24I don't have a license, I'm not a criminal lawyer.
12:26But you study law. What is coercion?
12:30Before I answer, I'm just a student.
12:33We have a connected criminal lawyer
12:35who knows a lot more than us about the cause.
12:38It's Marcelo Hanson.
12:40Who better than him to read
12:42what happened just a few hours ago
12:45in this studio, in Guillermo Andino's show.
12:48How are you, Marcelo?
12:52Marcelo, are you there?
12:54Well, now we're going to connect it.
12:57For me, it's a veiled threat.
12:59One thing is a person who is accused of being arrested.
13:02He is a loyal lawyer.
13:04Let him talk to Laudelina.
13:07Well, obviously, the court considered
13:09that there are enough reasons to imprison Laudelina,
13:12to prevent her.
13:14Now, we are talking about Macarena,
13:17who is a person who owes nothing to justice.
13:20Absolutely nothing. She is not accused.
13:23She is not accused of any crime.
13:25I think she will be called to witness.