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Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman are back to recap the latest games and news around the NBA, including the Celtics falling short to the Warriors on Wednesday night. There was a large narrative surrounding Jayson Tatum facing off against Warriors head coach Steve Kerr, who benched him when he was the coach of Team USA in the Olympics. However, as Jeff Goodman says, he doesn't think either of them care.  0:00 - Intro 2:45 - Warriors' transition finishes 4:56 - Celtics' short-handed struggles 6:35 - Tatum's drama avoidance 9:19 - Tatum's third-person reference 12:01 - Grant's inexplicable move 14:07 - Historical team comparison 17:25 - LeBron's 82-game goal 19:11 - Zion's injury concerns 21:00 - Celtics' new dynasty 26:01 - Dennis Schröder's leadership 28:45 - Cleveland's undefeated team 30:31 - Building a strong team 32:14 - Joe Mazzulla's comments   CLNS Media is Powered by:  💰 Prize Picks - https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/CLNS Download the app today and use Code CLNS when you sign up & Get $50 instantly when you play $5!  🎫 Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Terms apply. What time is it? Gametime!  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code GARDEN!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter - https://twitter.com/CLNSMedia Celtics - https://twitter.com/celticsclns Patriots - https://twitter.com/patriotsclns Bruins - https://twitter.com/bruinsclns Red Sox - https://twitter.com/redsoxclns Non-Sports - https://twitter.com/northstation Facebook - http://facebook.com/clnsmedia INSTA - http://Instagram.com/clnsmedia INSTA Celtics - http://Instagram.com/celticsclns INSTA History - http://Instagram.com/nbahistoryclns

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00:00He's going to take it, he's got it, and the Boston wins!

00:05Two legends in basketball analysis, with over 70 years combined experience.

00:12This is the Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman Podcast.

00:17NBA, some college, a little bit of everything.

00:19Alright, welcome in to another episode of the Ryan and Goodman Podcast.

00:24Gary cannot be with us today, but we're going to fly the two of us.

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00:39Alright, Rob, Robert, we've got something to talk about here.

00:43I'm excited because we actually have stuff every week now.

00:47We have games, and we have a game last night in Boston that you were at.

00:54Can we start with what was it like when Steve Kerr was introduced and when he came on the court?

01:02Because of all this, I have my own thoughts on this Tatum-Kerr rivalry, if you want to call it that.

01:09Well, I have to admit, I was neglectful in making sure that I was present when he would first take the floor,

01:16when they came out for warm-ups, or whenever some coaches come in very late.

01:20I don't know. I blew that. So I wish I had. That was my bad.

01:24I was chatting. I was doing – anyway.

01:26But the official introduction by Eddie Palladino, the longtime PA announcer at the Boston Garden,

01:33and he put a little flourish in it, you know, and it was predictable, booze, naturally.

01:39You knew, and he knew it, and I think he's a wonderful guy, and he took it naturally.

01:46He knew it was totally – how stupid would you have to be not to anticipate what was going to happen?

01:51So it happened. Okay, fine.

01:55That team, they're surprising the world a little bit right now, and the game was –

02:03and he played – now the Celtics, of course, are playing shorthanded,

02:06and they were playing a bit shorthanded because Podzemski, who's become a regular major contributor,

02:10did not play for them.

02:12But it's still not the same as not having Porzingis and Brown.

02:14Of course, they haven't had Porzingis yet at all.

02:16All right. Celtics get off to a very quick start.

02:19Dennis – our boy Derek White has 11 quick points.

02:24They're up 14-3, and the Warriors got their mojo going.

02:30They're up by 11 at the half.

02:31Celtics come back and to the point where they're up seven with the ball and with six and change,

02:37and then from that point on, the Golden State dominates the game, takes the game away from them.

02:43Here's what struck me about what they did.

02:47Their transition finishes were fantastic.

02:51No one mentioned it, but I took note of it.

02:54When they attacked the hoop, boy, they finished, and I mean it was not just one person.

02:59Of course, Curry is totally underrated as a guy going to the hoop.

03:03I love it when he goes to the hoop, but I'm talking about –

03:06he usually would think about him going to the hoop in the half court,

03:08but I'm talking about transition finishes.

03:13Jackson Davis and Anderson, a company, Waters, different guys made really good, solid finishes.

03:20Then, of course, we have one of the most interesting, intriguing stories of the year going on for them.

03:25Buddy Heald is making a clay who?

03:29Right now, they don't miss him because he's given them exactly what Clay Thompson would have given them,

03:34if maybe a little even more.

03:35Or less money.

03:37Yeah, a lot less money.

03:39Now, he got up to – he hit his first couple threes.

03:44Anyway, they're going to be – we know they're well-coached, and they have a superstar still,

03:50and they're going to be heard from.

03:52They're not going to win a championship.

03:54No.

03:55I still say they're playing – I say they're playing way over their head right now.

03:59They probably are.

04:00I mean, right now, if the playoffs started tonight, you'd say – you wouldn't be saying,

04:03goody, goody, we're going to play the Warriors, but you still think you could beat them.

04:07Yeah.

04:08But what Kerr's doing is attracting attention.

04:10He's spreading out the minutes in a way we haven't seen very often in the last 30 or 40 years.

04:19The two leading minutes guys, or three of them, at 28 minutes, give or take,

04:24with the decimal points, are Curry, predictably, 28, Green, 28, and Podsimski, 28.

04:31But they've got Wiggins, 26 minutes a game, Hill, 21, Moody, 17, Jackson Davis, 18,

04:39Melton, 17 – he didn't play yesterday, I don't think – Anderson, 14, Looney, 16, Waters, 15,

04:45Payton, the second, 13.

04:47Teen guys are getting minutes at least 13 minutes a game.

04:50Yeah.

04:51Wow.

04:52Now, is that going to be maintained?

04:53Is that going to be the formula for the rest of the year?

04:56No one thinks it will be.

04:57I mean, what they do is they guard now because they've got some young guys who can –

05:01Yeah.

05:02Looney gets after it defensively.

05:04We know Draymond does.

05:05Wiggins, when he wants to be, can be a really good defender.

05:09So, like, that's the big difference to me why they're winning games right now

05:13because I don't think, again – I look at it and I like Trace Jackson Davis.

05:19He's a good player.

05:20I liked him in college.

05:21Yeah, he's a good player.

05:23I mean, again, Podsimski's a good player.

05:25I think they're ultimately – if they're in that 4-5 game, then Steve Kerr has done a hell of a job in the West.

05:33Oh, yeah.

05:34Well, I was thinking more about just making it at all.

05:36Yeah, I think they'll make it.

05:38But, again, people get so caught up in a 7-1 or whatever they are start

05:42and it's eight games.

05:45I mean, it's eight games.

05:46Oh, yeah.

05:47Now, again, that's a great win in Boston.

05:49That's a great win.

05:50That's a nice win for them.

05:51And, I mean, I'm sure they were really feeling very good about themselves.

05:54I'm sure their announcers were crowing nicely.

05:56It was, you know, they're going to beat the champs.

05:59And, once again, the Celtics are not the whole team that they're going to be,

06:02but still in all, they've been winning despite it until last night except for that overtime loss in Indiana.

06:08It was a nice night.

06:09It wasn't a great night of NBA basketball.

06:11But, if I'm a Golden State fan, I'm feeling proud of my team.

06:14Yeah, definitely.

06:15I'm feeling proud of my team.

06:16And, I'm happy that Steph is relevant right now.

06:20Like, I don't know how long it'll last, but you want, just like you want LeBron to be relevant at the end here,

06:25you want Steph to be relevant.

06:28Can I tell you my thoughts on the Tatum-Kerr thing?

06:30Yeah, sure.

06:32Kind of know both of them pretty well.

06:34I'll say this, from Tatum's end, the one thing with Jason Tatum,

06:39I don't think he gets into a lot of the drama.

06:42I just don't.

06:44Like, that's not him.

06:45He's not like this, you know, guy who's like a reality TV guy, right?

06:50Like, who talks to everybody, who gossips.

06:54You know, I think, obviously, he heard everybody else talking about this, which made it a lot bigger, right?

07:00When everybody else picked up on it, and they talk about how, you know,

07:03the, oh, he got screwed by Steve Kerr, this, that, and the other.

07:07Obviously, yeah, it's a hit to his ego anyway.

07:09It's a hit to his ego, and, you know, I think if Steve Kerr had just been barely transparent going in

07:15and told them, hey, listen, here's the deal, man.

07:17We're probably going to go with the old guys because this is their last hurrah, right?

07:21And you're probably going to play, you might not play a game here or there,

07:25but this one's going to be a little different than four years from now.

07:31I think it would have been fine, but I don't think the communication maybe was as good.

07:35But again, I don't, you know, I just don't get the sense that Jason Tatum really cares all that much

07:43about all this stuff.

07:45I think he just wants to play ball.

07:48He's never, like, he never complains to me about anything.

07:53Like, other people around him, you know, feed into this stuff and talk to him about it

07:58and make him aware.

07:59I just don't think Jason Tatum is, you know, going on, you know, looking at what other people are saying

08:06about this big thing between him and Steve Kerr.

08:09And Steve Kerr, listen, Steve Kerr doesn't give a shit either, to be honest.

08:13He doesn't care.

08:14I mean, he cares way more about the election two days ago than he did about coming to Boston.

08:19Yeah, he had his little say last night about that, too.

08:21Yeah, I'm sure he did.

08:22I didn't see it, but I'm sure he did.

08:24He had a little sarcasm.

08:27I'll just say, anybody wants to know, it's easy.

08:29Go Google it.

08:30You'll find him.

08:31Go YouTube him, whatever you want to do.

08:32You'll find it.

08:33I think Tatum, the good thing for Jason.

08:36Now, I will say this.

08:38I saw he used his name in the third person last night post-game.

08:42Yeah, I'm still not a fan of that.

08:44That's the only thing that I think I'm going to text him and be like, come on, man.

08:49Don't become Mike.

08:50I remember Michael Jordan, one of his retirement speeches, might have been the first one.

08:55I think I counted how many times he used his name in the third person.

08:58It was like 50 times within one 10-minute speech.

09:01And I'm just like, okay, you're the greatest ever.

09:03We get it.

09:04That doesn't mean you've got to say Michael, Michael, Michael.

09:08And I didn't watch the video.

09:11I just saw it in a quote where he said Jason.

09:14So I don't know how it came across.

09:16But, yeah, listen, again, I think this is overblown.

09:21And, again, sometimes, too, you're trying to find things that can fuel you.

09:27And people are talking about you weren't the MVP last year.

09:31You weren't the best player on your team.

09:33And you didn't play in the Olympics.

09:36And sometimes you've got to find those things.

09:39And I just thought, again, in a week in which he was basically cross-checked by Grant Williams

09:48and didn't really react to that one, and then this with Steve Kerr,

09:53I thought Jason handled it pretty well.

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11:38Speaking of the Grant Williams thing, it was inexplicable.

11:41I don't get it. I don't get what he was trying to do.

11:44Well, I think he's just trying to keep his job. I do.

11:46I think he's just trying to stay in the league at this point and make sure he's good and play hard and, you know, earn his teammates respect, which he didn't really have in Dallas.

11:55Can he get that in Charlotte? It was a dumb move.

11:59And, again, like the funny thing of that is I remember, you know, they had their lockers next to each other for years.

12:05And that was back when Jason didn't really say two words and Grant wouldn't shut up in a good way.

12:11And I think Grant helped Jason Tatum get out of his shell and be more confident as a person.

12:17And that's why I think, again, you look at how Tatum did not really react.

12:22I think he just choked it up to, ah, this is Grant being Grant.

12:25Like, I still love him.

12:26You know, he helped me in my career and he's a good dude.

12:30He just never shuts up.

12:31Now, moving on a little bit.

12:34One guy that continues to open our eyes a little bit is Nemus Cueta.

12:39Yes.

12:40He had another decent game last night.

12:42He does good big man stuff.

12:44I call it useful.

12:46I call useful bigs, you know, stuff.

12:48He doesn't use big stuff.

12:49He plays big.

12:50He's a finisher.

12:51He's an alley target.

12:53He's a, oh, there's a great photo in the Boston Globe today of the block he made.

12:59The hand is absolutely cupping the ball.

13:02The perfect textbook dream block for a guy, you know.

13:06And of course, the thing is about it, that kept the ball in play.

13:09It wasn't one of those showboat blocks knocking it into third row or fifth row or 20th row.

13:15And then they come back and they score anyway, you know.

13:17Now, he's useful.

13:20Now, there's a casualty in this new rotation, if you will, Tillman.

13:27Yeah, he's not playing.

13:29Tillman got DNP'd just when we thought we were starting to like him, you know, that he contributes at both ends.

13:35So, I don't know.

13:36Once again, it speaks to my point about how many good, useful NBA players they do have.

13:41Cueta's different, right?

13:43Cueta's energy, toughness, athleticism, shot block, run the court, finish, rebound.

13:50Like, that's all he is.

13:52Now, I will say this.

13:53When you have your other four guys around him, Neimis Cueta's fine.

13:58But when you don't have Jalen Brown, it's a lot harder for the guy who can't really score.

14:03Now, with regard to this minutes, this extraordinary minutes that Steve Kerr is distributing,

14:10it brought something to mind that I lived through.

14:14In 1970-71, the Detroit Pistons coached by Butch von Bredekopf,

14:19he basically announced he was going to go to a platoon in a very serious way.

14:24Really?

14:25And I was dying to look, and I looked it up to see if I was, you know,

14:29misremembering having a senior moment or whatever the hell.

14:32And no, no.

14:33It was even more amazing than I remembered.

14:37Here's why it got my interest back.

14:39For some reason, have you ever heard of a chap named Otto Moore?

14:44Yeah, I've heard the name.

14:46I've heard the name.

14:47Otto Moore was a 6'11 journeyman center of the time.

14:52Okay?

14:53And he happened to be the center when they had a draft pick named Bob Lanier.

14:59Bob Lanier's a rookie.

15:02And, by the way, the first pick in the draft in 1970, Rudy Tomjano was second.

15:08You know?

15:09Okay.

15:10And so on we go.

15:11And Maravich was third, Cowans was fourth, and Sam Lacy was fifth.

15:14But anyway, that's another story.

15:16But Butch shared the minutes.

15:20That team had 10 guys who for the season averaged 21 or more minutes a game.

15:29Wow.

15:30And an 11th who averaged 18.

15:33And the 11th was none other than the great Terry Driscoll, pride of Boston College.

15:39But Dave Bing was the leader with 37.

15:43Jimmy Walker.

15:45That was a hell of a backboard, by the way, at 35.

15:48Terry Dissinger, 29.

15:50Bill Hewitt, pride of Cambridge, Rindge, and Latin.

15:54Ooh.

15:55And USU Southern California.

15:57Bill Hewitt, 28.

15:59Lanier, 25.

16:01Howard Comives, 25.

16:03Moore, 24.

16:05So, basically, they dealt with 24 points.

16:07But they split the job for the season.

16:10Okay?

16:11Erwin Muller, who was a, not thuggy, but a brutish kind of guy, 6'8", out of the US, San Francisco.

16:21Steve Mix, before he became 76 or 24.

16:24A guy named Bob Quick out of Xavier, who was 21 and Driscoll, 18.

16:2811 guys on that team have played 18 or more minutes a game.

16:32That's crazy.

16:33How'd they do?

16:34They were 45 and 37.

16:36Okay, not bad.

16:37Yeah, not bad.

16:38That's probably what Golden State will be, if they're lucky.

16:41Yeah, right, exactly.

16:43So, there's your little historical blessing of the day.

16:46There's the 70-71 Pistons.

16:50But the thing I love is the idea that Moore and Hall of Famer-to-be Bob Lanier literally split that job that year.

16:57And it shouldn't have happened.

17:00Lanier deserved to play more.

17:02But I think I'm convinced that Butch was wedded to his mad scientist idea of up-to-duty.

17:08You know who's already missing a game?

17:11Anthony Davis.

17:12Oh, yeah.

17:13Hey, turn the hourglass over.

17:15Oh, thank you for reminding me.

17:17Four guys on that Pistons team played all 82 games.

17:20Wow.

17:21It was the NBA.

17:22All right, so that's what I'm getting at here.

17:25AD's already hurt a little bit, and we know he's going to miss games.

17:28LeBron has said he wants to play 82 games this year at 40 years old.

17:33Bob, is this a stupid idea or not?

17:37You know, maybe if you…

17:39In some of those games, you play 20 minutes instead of 15 minutes instead of…

17:44But back-to-backs?

17:45You'd like him playing back-to-backs?

17:47No, I mean, no.

17:49I guess I have to go along with the program here, you know?

17:52No, you don't.

17:53You don't have to go along with it.

17:54I'm still old school, but think about it.

17:58The four guys there played 82 games.

18:01Were any of them 40 years old, Bob?

18:04No.

18:05And walk up and play 79 games.

18:07None of them were named LeBron either.

18:09None of them were 40 years old.

18:11None of them were.

18:12Hey, this dude is different.

18:14We know that.

18:15We've known that for a long time.

18:16There's going to be nobody like LeBron James ever again, okay?

18:20But I think J.J. Redick and LeBron need to have a talk here

18:25and understand that…

18:27I know you got to…

18:29Obviously, you want to get to the playoffs, all that.

18:31But if LeBron James, you get to the playoffs, and he's worn down by then,

18:35what good is it?

18:36What good is it?

18:37No, no.

18:38I agree.

18:39I agree.

18:40But once again, with AD, it's such a…

18:42And, oh, by the way, we hadn't mentioned that…

18:44The Ossers also missed a game.

18:45He did play last night, put up good numbers.

18:47Zion.

18:48Yeah.

18:49And now he's got a thigh.

18:50He's got his…

18:51It's always something.

18:52That body just doesn't want to play basketball.

18:55Yeah.

18:56He wants to be UFC or something.

18:58I mean, he doesn't want to…

18:59He wouldn't last there long.

19:01He wouldn't last long.

19:02We know that.

19:03Or rush the passer, you know, but not play basketball.

19:09And he's so good.

19:10Yeah.

19:11He is talented.

19:12It's just, you know, again, these guys.

19:14And that's, again, what we've talked about.

19:16I worry about it a little bit from the other end with, you know, seeing it.

19:20And we've seen it with guys like Porzingis, like Kevin Durant,

19:24the body build of Chet Holmgren and Victor Mwembenyama.

19:27Is it going to hold up?

19:29No.

19:30Now, Victor supposedly, again, has this routine, takes care of his body,

19:36this, that, and the other like very few do, especially at his age.

19:39But that body build.

19:41Chet Holmgren, I know, you know, it wasn't…

19:43It was fluky, but he missed his whole rookie season.

19:47You know, you just wonder whether these guys that are big, strong, thick.

19:52And that's why what LeBron's done is remarkable.

19:56Well, if you check the history, when he came along,

19:59I did a pretty good study, I think, of thinking about historical precedence.

20:04And that body type just historically doesn't last.

20:08It just doesn't.

20:09And, you know, Lonnie Shelton.

20:11I don't know if you…

20:12Lonnie Shelton was a good basketball player, but he had an abbreviated career.

20:17Very…

20:18If anybody had a body very similar to LeBron, to Zion Williamson,

20:21it probably was Lonnie Shelton.

20:23And Oliver Davis.

20:25I mean, Oliver Miller.

20:26Excuse me.

20:27Oliver Miller, who was a 6'9".

20:29Actually, he was a finesse player, really.

20:31He had plenty with that body.

20:32But a good touch and all that.

20:34But Lonnie Shelton didn't have the career he should have had.

20:38And, I mean, I…

20:40You know, you want to get out of play.

20:42You want to see this guy.

20:43You want him out there.

20:44You want him to enjoy his life.

20:45He loves baseball.

20:46He's good.

20:47He's very good at this thing of basketball when he can stay on the floor.

20:50Yeah.

20:51He's very good at it.

20:52It's, again, you'd love to see him play 75 games

20:56and see not only what he's capable of doing, but what his team's capable of doing.

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21:07Look, the NFL is great.

21:09I understand.

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21:17There's no doubt about it.

21:18And my Celtics, I'm looking for them to defend.

21:21We need a new dynasty in the NBA.

21:23We need one.

21:24Okay?

21:25And I think this Celtic group can do it.

21:27I know this Celtic group can do it.

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21:32Yes.

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24:17Now, there's a guy I'd like to bring up.

24:19It's interesting what he's doing at the moment and how his career has evolved.

24:24And I don't know what your thoughts on him.

24:26This is flying blind.

24:27It's great.

24:28I want to hear your thoughts.

24:29I'll just play word association or image association or anything you want.

24:33Dennis Schroeder.

24:35What comes to mind for you with Dennis Schroeder?

24:38A lightning rod.

24:39You know, a guy that a lot of people, he's been in a lot of different teams because I think…

24:44I mean, just seven.

24:45That's all.

24:46Yeah.

24:47He's not that easy to get along with or play with.

24:50So, he's bounced around quite a bit.

24:53How many teams?

24:54Seven.

24:55One of them twice.

24:56Yeah.

24:57I mean, that's a lot.

24:58The Lakers.

24:59In a fairly…

25:00What was he drafted?

25:01Ten years ago?

25:02I have it.

25:03I got it right here.

25:04His rookie year was 2013-14.

25:07Okay.

25:08So, about 10, 11 years.

25:10He's gone OKC, Lakers, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Raptors, Nets.

25:16Now, here's why I bring it up.

25:18He's having a hell of a start.

25:19Hawks.

25:20Hawks.

25:21Hawks.

25:22Of course.

25:23Of course.

25:24Hawks first.

25:25Then OKC.

25:26Yeah.

25:27Hawks drafted him.

25:28Yeah.

25:29For people who don't know, he is German.

25:30He is African.

25:31He is German.

25:32African German.

25:33I mean, what can I say?

25:34He's obviously…

25:35He's very much a German.

25:36I mean, it's all history.

25:38He was not developed here in the United States.

25:39He's one of those guys.

25:40He was developed completely in Europe.

25:41Did not play college ball in the United States.

25:43Yeah.

25:44And he, by the way, has a World Championship ring, if they have a ring.

25:48I don't know whether you get the win or not.

25:50But Germany won last year, you know, and he was the point guard.

25:54Yeah.

25:55I'm bringing this up because I'm reading the New York Papers and they are fawning over him.

25:58Okay.

25:59Here's what I'll say.

26:00Here's what I'll say.

26:01You can fawn over him all you want.

26:03There's such a thing as a leading scorer on every crappy team.

26:09I know the Nets are 4-4 right now, but they're going to be a crappy team.

26:13We know that.

26:14They're crappy.

26:15And he's not leading them.

26:16Cam Thomas is.

26:17Cam Thomas is another guy that's best served coming off the bench for a good team.

26:21That's what I think Schroeder is.

26:22That's the problem.

26:23You have this Brooklyn Nets team that, I don't know if they're tanking.

26:28I mean, certainly looks at it by the look of their roster.

26:31I mean, it stinks.

26:32But the point, what I'm getting at, they're actually playing better than people thought.

26:36Oh, yeah.

26:37No question.

26:38And they've got a coach.

26:39The coach, did you know him?

26:40I didn't know anything about Fernandez, the new coach.

26:43No, nothing.

26:44Zero.

26:45But apparently, the initial Dixville notch returns on him are pretty good.

26:50And what I'm bringing up Schroeder ultimately, Jeff, is they're touting him as a leader.

26:56Wow.

26:57He's assumed control of that team.

27:00And he is outspoken and he's leading and he's sounding like a statesman, I'm telling you.

27:07Maybe it's like Rondo.

27:09Maybe it's like Rondo and how he matured later on in his career.

27:13Maybe it's similar.

27:14Yeah.

27:15Well, maybe it is.

27:16So, he's 31.

27:18So, time, you know, got ahead, you know.

27:21It's interesting that I'm just throwing him out there.

27:24He's always been fast.

27:25Oh, remember, he was so noticeable because when he came to us, he had that streak in his hair.

27:29Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.

27:30You couldn't miss him.

27:31He had that orange streak in his hair.

27:33He got rid of that.

27:34But it's an interesting career, you know.

27:36I mean, there's how many hundreds of guys in the NBA?

27:39And it's like they said in New York, eight million stories, right?

27:42They all have a story.

27:43And his story, you know, quite frankly, is unique as a dark-skinned African German.

27:50You know, he's a phenomenon.

27:52And you're right.

27:54I was thinking about analogies.

27:56Was he, I don't know, Patrick Beverly with a jump shot?

28:00Yeah, his jump shot got better.

28:03But, yeah, I mean, he's super fast.

28:06I mean, again, he can make people better when he wants to.

28:10I remember, you know, a couple of good games.

28:12I remember being impressed one night when he had the good Celtics get 20-25.

28:16You know, but obviously, he gets passed around.

28:18When a guy gets passed around that way, it means two things.

28:22There's something available there that people want, but it's not enough that you cry about losing them.

28:29But, you know, he's going to have a career.

28:31He's going to make a lot of money.

28:32And I'm just throwing it out there.

28:34He's, to me, an interesting story right now.

28:37That's Bob's random fact of the day, random guy of the day.

28:42We can't close, Bob, without talking about the lone undefeated team in the NBA right now, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

28:51I'm on the bandwagon.

28:52I'm on it.

28:53Oh, here we go.

28:54No, I'm on the bandwagon with them.

28:57Why?

28:58I just think they've got some good players.

29:01And Kenny Atkinson.

29:02Yeah.

29:03They've got a coach that is well-respected in that league.

29:07Yes.

29:08As far as I can tell.

29:09Yeah.

29:10Right now, who's had a better backcourt start than Garland and Mitchell?

29:14Nobody.

29:15And remember, a year ago, not even, there was some speculation.

29:21I think it might have been the agent, even, somebody saying that Darius Garland wanted out.

29:26If Donovan Mitchell was coming back, Darius Garland wanted out of Cleveland.

29:30And I'm thinking to myself, why?

29:31They're very different.

29:33Darius Garland is a point guard.

29:35They can share this spotlight here, obviously.

29:37Donovan Mitchell is the guy that everybody talks about.

29:40But to me, the most underrated guy on that team is Evan Mobley.

29:43Well, and I was just going to say Allen.

29:45So here we go.

29:46The two of them.

29:47They fill in my category, useful bigs.

29:51They've got two useful bigs there.

29:53And I think their heads appear to be in the right place.

29:56And I think they love their positioning, knowing that the Knicks were getting all this offseason play.

30:02And we'd still have the Sixers.

30:05And the people were speculating how they were going to turn out.

30:07That's another story.

30:08We don't know.

30:09We have no idea how that's going to turn out.

30:10And the Bucs, because of that.

30:13But they were laying in the weeds a little bit.

30:15And they gave the Celtics trouble when they lost Mitchell last year.

30:19And I think they're in a position where they're in a, we're going to show you mode.

30:22You know what I mean?

30:23We're going to show you.

30:25And so, yeah, I think Clayman is definitely going to have a good year.

30:31They just have a lot of good players.

30:33And then their bench, you know, they've got a lot of high character.

30:36Ty Jerome, George Niang, Sam Merrill, Karis LeVert.

30:40Like the job that Kobe Altman and Mike Gansey have done to build this team,

30:47when we thought they were dead when LeBron left years ago again.

30:51I mean, we thought there was no way they were going to bounce back from that.

30:54The job those two have done, I would say this too,

30:57Mike Gansey should get a job running his own franchise.

31:01He's been that good.

31:02The former Bonnie.

31:04I well remember him.

31:07Yep, I know you do.

31:08I know you do.

31:09He was my guy.

31:10I said he was the first guy when I started a run of guys who I'd go to the NCAA tournament

31:14and say every year there's going to be a guy I want to adopt.

31:16And he's the first one.

31:19If you're around him, you'd really want to adopt him.

31:21Because as good as he was on the court and as much as you liked him,

31:24he's that much better off the court.

31:26Really, really intelligent.

31:29Handles himself the right way.

31:30So they put together a team here that, yeah, I mean, they just have a lot.

31:34I don't know if Donovan Mitchell is good enough as a number one guy to lead a team

31:39to the NBA finals.

31:41But I will say this, like Jimmy Butler did it a few years ago.

31:46And Donovan Mitchell is a more well-rounded maybe overall player than Jimmy Butler.

31:53And they've got a great supporting cast.

31:56I mean, that's the one thing.

31:58There's not much drop-off.

31:59The team fits together very well.

32:01One more thing we should address.

32:05I'm waiting for Joe Mazzulla to walk back the fighting.

32:11Fighting?

32:12Yeah, endorsing fighting in the NBA.

32:14Foolish.

32:15I mean, nobody's pushed back that much.

32:17Really?

32:18Foolish.

32:19He should have been called in the principal's office.

32:21It was a weird comment.

32:22It was a weird.

32:24Yeah, we still got to get Brad Stephens on here at some point.

32:29Yeah.

32:30Again.

32:31I know we talked about that.

32:33I'll see.

32:34I actually texted him the other day because I was watching.

32:37We did an event out in Sioux Falls, and I was watching Southern Illinois play.

32:42And the last time I'd seen the Salukis play in person was Brad Stephens' rookie year as a head coach at Butler.

32:49Okay.

32:50They went to Carbondale.

32:51It was his 11th game, I believe, as a head coach.

32:54Went to Carbondale, won the game on a 40-footer from A.J. Graves at the buzzer.

32:59They win, again, 11th game of Brad Stephens' coaching career.

33:03And how does Brad Stephens react?

33:05No reaction.

33:07Zero reaction.

33:08How about that?

33:09Yeah.

33:11Not surprising now.

33:12It was then.

33:13No.

33:14Well, yeah, we didn't know anything about him.

33:16Exactly.

33:17Very good.

33:18All right.

33:19Well, there you have it.

33:20Ryan and Goodman podcast, breaking it all down, Celtics.

33:25We got a little bit of Cavs.

33:26We got a little bit of Dennis Schroeder.

33:28Don't forget those 71 Pistons.

33:30The 71 Pistons.

33:31I mean, when you come here, you never know what you're going to get.

33:35So thanks for joining us.

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