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Video Information: 28.09.2024, VBC, Greater Noida

Context:
~ Why was Gandhi ji assassinated?
~ Why people abuse and defame Gandhi ji?
~ Was Gandhi ji a shrewd politician or a philosopher, a leader?
~ What was Gandhi ji's philosophy?
~ Every year, Gandhi Ji is remembered as a great person on his birthday around the world, but why is he being abused in our own country?


Music Credits: Milind Date
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00:00how he wanted to once dominate his wife when his father was on his deathbed. Gandhi in a moment of
00:07sexual mindlessness rather chose to go to his wife. He was on the verge of converting to
00:13Christianity. Even Nehru did not agree wholeheartedly with Gandhi. Even Ambedkar had with Gandhi,
00:18not even Patel. And we know of the tiff he had with Bose. Nobody could agree 100% with him.
00:24What to say of Jinnah or Churchill? Nobody really is interested in abusing Gandhi.
00:31In fact, those who are abusing Gandhi are the least interested in Gandhi. Gandhi stands as a
00:37symbol of something that they are hell bent on destroying. Therefore, Gandhi has to be abused.
00:43Otherwise, these people have nothing to do with Gandhi. I am no big Gandhi fan.
00:47His question is concerning Gandhi Jayanti. He is saying that, Acharya ji, every year in the
00:59rest of the world, Gandhi ji is remembered as a great person on his birthday. But if we look
01:05at our own country and we find a social media post regarding him, then people of our own country
01:12are abusing him. I agree that no person can be completely right, but how it is right to
01:18prove someone completely wrong, to abuse him instead of learning so much that could have
01:23been learned from him. There have only been a very few people in the country who are appreciated
01:27worldwide, but they are always insulted in our own country. And I find the same thing
01:32happening with you too. Acharya ji, please tell me why all of this is happening and what we can
01:37do about it. Nobody really is interested in abusing Gandhi. In fact, those who are abusing
01:46Gandhi are the least interested in Gandhi. They don't know anything about Gandhi. They have never
01:54been bothered about Gandhi. They are still not interested in Gandhi. But they are abusing
02:01Gandhi. There is a reason. They are trying to accomplish something
02:09and Gandhi stands in the way. Therefore, Gandhi has to be abused.
02:14Gandhi stands as a symbol
02:19of something that they are hell-bent on destroying. Therefore, Gandhi has to be
02:23abused. Otherwise, these people have nothing to do with Gandhi.
02:26Are you getting it? If you want to create a society that is highly illiberal,
02:37then the symbol of liberalism has to be abused and brought down.
02:44If you want to create a society that is deeply fractured on communal lines,
02:53then the symbol of communal harmony has to be disparaged. That's what is happening.
03:02Otherwise, have they read Gandhi? Who is Gandhi? Gandhi is not some person really.
03:13Gandhi is a particular thought.
03:21Even if you want to criticize him, you have to first read him.
03:26He is a philosopher. He was not just randomly walking naked on roads.
03:37There was a philosophy behind his actions. Have you read the philosophy? No, we don't know.
03:42But he has to be abused. He has to be abused because today you are trying to achieve something
03:54that cannot be achieved without killing Gandhi again.
04:02Gandhi was killed once and that didn't suffice.
04:05Physically killing him was very insufficient.
04:10So now, they are trying to kill him in many other ways.
04:19The problem with that is that certain things cannot be killed.
04:28Same thing is with me. As the questioner said, nobody is interested in me.
04:35Day by day, the army, I don't want to glorify them by calling them an army. Army is a very
04:45disciplined institution and you require a certain qualification to be called an army man.
04:54For want of, let me call them some, what, crowd?
04:58Dacoits. A troop of dacoits, maybe.
05:04The mob. Unruly mob or maybe there is a better word, I don't know.
05:12Righteous mob. How is that? Righteous and riotous.
05:16Righteous and riotous. Righteously riotous.
05:26That number is increasing every passing day and they abuse me no end.
05:33In fact, it's very interesting. One of their favourite abuses is,
05:38he is emerging as another Gandhi. He is Gandhi no. 2.
05:41That's their abuse. They don't even realise what a huge compliment that is.
05:49They throw that at me as their favourite abuse.
05:56See, another Gandhi is emerging. What they mean by that is that another one needs to be killed now.
06:03Another one needs to be killed now.
06:10But I have no issues with being abused. That's okay.
06:15But do you know me? Have you read me? Do you understand me?
06:22What are you throwing these invectives at?
06:29You don't even know your target.
06:33The huge empty darkness within you is shooting in dark
06:42without even knowing who the target is. Worse still, without even knowing who the shooter is.
06:54Just that you want
06:56ignorance to rule and therefore anybody who symbolises illumination becomes an enemy to you.
07:08The fellow does not even know that he has become an enemy. I don't even know how I gathered so many enemies.
07:12I have no idea at all.
07:13But every passing hour, this mob is swelling and I have no idea why they are ganging up against me.
07:28What are you angry against? It is complicated and yet it is very straightforward.
07:32I stand for something that they want to destroy.
07:44And therefore, every single person who stands against me,
07:50and therefore every single person who stands for those things has to be reviled, disparaged,
08:10assassinated in as many ways as possible.
08:21When you cannot fight the force of truth or even the might of ideas,
08:32then you become slanderous in a personal way.
08:37You don't realise that when you call someone the new Gandhi, that's a compliment.
08:42The 2nd of October is upon us and you will witness a massive orgy.
08:53And the environment in India will be totally at odds with the environment of the rest of the world.
09:03And the environment in India will be totally at odds with the environment of the rest of the world.
09:14The world will celebrate Gandhi and India will spit at Gandhi.
09:24It was Einstein who said that the coming generations will have a hard time
09:30even believing that somebody like this walked upon this earth.
09:35He was prescient.
09:38See, how quickly his words have become facts.
09:56I am no big Gandhi fan.
10:00Right?
10:03Gandhi spoke on the Gita and I find innumerable holes in his interpretation.
10:14I went to his ashram at Kausani.
10:20Can you make a long back?
10:26And some of the stuff that I found there,
10:33either written or etched on the walls,
10:38that left a lot to be desired.
10:42The interpretations, the message was not quite accurate.
10:47But what I can definitely say is that the intention isn't malicious.
10:55Here you had a person who in spite of all his weaknesses was trying to do the best he could.
11:07I don't want to turn him into a larger than life thing or venerate him as some kind of God.
11:13But the fellow deserves some respect for what he was.
11:19And to deny him that respect is to deny humanness itself.
11:28Think of any weakness, any vice and Gandhi displayed it at some point in his life.
11:36And credit is due to him to openly accept everything.
11:43He couldn't speak. He was so frail, introverted, timid.
11:57That was one of the reasons why he didn't want to appear before a court, a judge
12:01because that would have required him to open up and speak.
12:04And then so many other things.
12:07You look at his personality and you find the very normal and usual kind of weaknesses
12:20alongside great flights of greatness.
12:25Great flights of greatness!
12:32Today, one of the accounts on which he is being slandered is his sexual life.
12:42People take perverse pleasure in peeping into others' bedrooms rather than into others' undergarments directly.
13:03But Gandhi himself is quite forthright about it.
13:06How he wanted to once dominate his wife, how when his father was on his deathbed,
13:16Gandhi, in a moment of sexual mindlessness, rather chose to go to his wife.
13:27And in that moment, he lost his father and that remained with him.
13:32He was not hiding those things.
13:38A point came when he said, the Gita is my mother.
13:42And there was a point when he was on the verge of converting to Christianity.
13:50And he doesn't hide that.
13:52Several of his views seem a bit regressive today.
14:00And I would be the first person to admit that.
14:06And we don't want to accept those views.
14:08We don't want to raise a new India based on a new religion.
14:16We don't want to raise a new India based on any kinds of views that are outdated today.
14:26But not everything is outdated. There are certain things that last, that are timeless actually.
14:38That discretion has to be there.
14:41What is respectable remains respectable. What is agreeable remains agreeable.
14:47And what is time bound becomes outdated.
14:51There is no obligation to keep honouring that.
15:00If we are to list the number of times Gandhi expressed views that have no relevance today
15:09and probably had no utility even when they were expressed, the list will be very long.
15:22From memory, I can quote at least 50 instances where one would not want to agree with Gandhi.
15:30And that is alright. That does not mean that you have to assassinate him once again.
15:36That does not mean that you have to doubt the man's integrity.
15:50Even Nehru did not agree wholeheartedly with Gandhi.
15:58We know of the equation Ambedkar had with Gandhi.
16:03Even at that time, nobody could agree 100% with him.
16:08Not even Patel. And we know of the tiff he had with Bose.
16:13Nehru, Patel, Ambedkar, Bose.
16:18Nobody was saying, well you know,
16:26we have a God here. No.
16:29What to say of Jinnah or Churchill?
16:39So, we have a man in flesh and blood with all his weaknesses, with all the human frailties.
16:49Respect him for the courage that he showed. Respect him for the transformation that he underwent.
16:59Look at his power, the naked fakir.
17:03And he would say, I am not eating anything. Anshan.
17:08And entire India would rise with him. His power to mobilize the masses.
17:16Unprecedented, charismatic.
17:20There was surely something India saw in that man, right?
17:25Or were our parents and grandparents utter fools?
17:30They were the ones who were idolizing Gandhi, right?
17:39Were they totally deluded? No, they were not.
17:46They were seeing something special in that man.
17:55There might also be some truth in the allegation that because of Gandhi, the role of several other freedom fighters has not been fully pronounced.
18:19Gandhi has been such a huge tree.
18:24That a lot has become invisible in his shadow.
18:32That's right. So, let's bring out the real life stories of those we have not honoured enough.
18:46Let's felicitate them.
18:50But for that, you don't need to revile Gandhi.
18:55It's simply indecent.
18:59Forget about ethics. It's aesthetically so unpleasant.
19:05The man is not there.
19:09And now you are shooting allegations at him. Will he come to defend himself?
19:18He tried meat eating.
19:24He either went to prostitutes once or was on the verge of going there.
19:33He tried some alternative school of medicine as well.
19:40Similar to naturopathy which was quite unscientific.
19:46Obviously, one cannot agree with everything that Gandhi said or did.
19:51And he was keeping that goat.
19:54I think it was Sarojini Naidu who said, it takes a lot to keep Gandhi poor.
20:00It takes a lot of money to keep Gandhi poor.
20:03Because he was carrying that goat wherever he went.
20:05He said, goat milk is better than cow milk.
20:14Even from the point of view of animal rights, one won't agree with Gandhi here.
20:19And one doesn't need to.
20:23But why kill the man again and again?
20:37One can question whether it was right to participate in Khilafat.
20:43Yes, definitely.
20:44Because it was a totally religious matter.
20:47And a totally foreign affair. Something was happening in Turkey.
20:51Why are you aligning Indian Muslims with that?
20:55And along with that, Indian Hindus as well.
20:58One can question that, definitely.
21:00One can question the withdrawal of the non-cooperation movement.
21:09There are so many other things.
21:10One can question whether Pattabhi Sita Ramaiya had to be favoured at the cost of Bose.
21:17So many other things you can continuously question.
21:20And like any other curious student, I too have been continuously questioning Gandhi.
21:27I am no big fan.
21:36But all this that is going on is simply ugly.
21:40Very ugly.
21:50You are blaming him for India's partition.
21:53How is he to be blamed?
21:57What more could he have done to avert partition?
22:05If there was one man who said India will not be partitioned, it was Gandhi.
22:11But when the fires of communalism have been stoked to that extent,
22:20that you have de facto genocides going on in cities, villages, many provinces.
22:31What do you do?
22:43So many lakhs have already been killed.
22:46How many more are to be killed?
22:47If partition were to be averted,
22:56that right actions should have been taken in the decades prior to partition.
23:08Once the two communities have been deeply steeped in hatred against each other,
23:17partition became inevitable.
23:20Two people are refusing to stay with each other.
23:23How can you now avoid partition?
23:28Because it's not in your hands.
23:30Two people don't want to stay with each other.
23:33How can you force them to stay with each other?
23:36And if you do want them to stay with each other, then you should have taken the right action
23:42several, several years and decades earlier.
23:4846 or 47, the equation had already been sealed.
23:57And even if we are to say that had Gandhi acted differently, partition could have been avoided,
24:06that could probably be an error in judgement.
24:18So we can criticize him for that.
24:23Everybody is susceptible to criticism.
24:26So is Gandhi. Gandhi should be criticized.
24:29But criticism is one thing and white operative slander is totally different.
24:48Being a student of both technology and economics, I very well know that Gandhi's view on the
24:57self-contained village economy are not practical.
25:02I also know that India's textile sector could have done better had it not been for Gandhi's emphasis on the handloom.
25:13I know of all these things and it is fair to offer a transient criticism of Gandhi on these counts.
25:29But let criticism be criticism.
25:34I think there were occasions when he also acted quite unreasonably.
25:43He offered a very superstitious account of the…
25:53Which particular earthquake was that? I don't remember.
25:57Floods in Bihar probably.
25:59Floods in Bihar.
26:01And the famine in Bengal for which he said that…
26:05It's God's punishment.
26:07God's punishment for what they were doing.
26:09It's God's punishment. So when there were floods and famines, there was also an earthquake.
26:13Yes, probably something happened in Bihar.
26:16So there was some natural calamity and Gandhi said this is God's punishment for something that you have done.
26:22Now that's just so irrational and superstitious.
26:25And I would be the first one to strongly criticize this kind of thing from a leader.
26:31But come on.
26:35The man was much more than these statements and if you don't see that, go and ask Churchill.
26:41He will tell you who Gandhi was.
26:44If you don't see this, go and ask Jinnah.
26:53He will tell you who Gandhi was.
26:55Or Mountbatten. Ask them.
26:56People pit Patel against Gandhi these days and Bose against Gandhi these days.
27:12Do we know the kind of deep respect both Bose and Patel had for Gandhi?
27:19Who called Gandhi Mahatma for the first time?
27:24Who was he?
27:28And Tagore. Think of his differences with Gandhi.
27:33He said freedom attained by spinning the charkha is not worth it.
27:40And he didn't like the kind of nationalism Gandhi was promoting.
27:50He said this nationalism is the very mother of all kinds of mischief.
28:00But still Tagore had such a healthy respect for Gandhi.
28:08You know in the spiritual domain, Ramana Maharshi,
28:16he used to say there are lot of people that I send to Gandhi's ashram.
28:20And there are lot of people Gandhi sends to me from his ashram.
28:26And we are talking of the stalwart, the topmost spiritual figure of the first half of the last century, Ramana Maharshi.
28:39And Ramana Maharshi is displaying from his top spiritual position such respect for Gandhi.
28:49Sir, I was just adding to it that it was Rabindranath Tagore himself who criticized Mahatma Gandhi ji for his views on that flood that was in Bihar and Bengal.
28:59And it was him who called him the Mahatma.
29:02And then Subhash Chandra Bose ji called him the father of the nation.
29:05The father of the nation, yes.
29:07Yes, yes.
29:09Rashtrapita, that came from Bose. Mahatma, that came from Tagore.
29:19So you see,
29:24the healthy exchange,
29:30not the kind of sloganeering
29:37absolutely
29:44indecent environment
29:48that we are a part of today.
29:52It is so strange, you see.
29:55The fellow who brought religion to the political discourse in the biggest way possible,
30:06he is being accosted by the forces of so-called religion.
30:17He gave up his western formals.
30:21And he said, I am now becoming a monk, de facto monk, right?
30:27Everything that he did or said was inspired by religion.
30:32Religion as he understood it.
30:33We can argue over whether his religiosity
30:39was truly spiritual and authentic.
30:42That can be debated. That's alright.
30:45But he was very clear
30:47that public life must be inspired by religion.
30:55Even the last two words attributed to him are Hey Ram.
31:04So if we really are religious people,
31:11then
31:14Gandhi did what we asked for.
31:18He said no politics without religion.
31:21He said the ideals of religion
31:24will guide politics.
31:26So that way you should embrace Gandhi.
31:28And it is so strange that instead of embracing him,
31:33the ones who call them religious
31:37are shooting him down.
31:46You see, we want a militant, masculine type of alpha religion.
31:53Right?
31:54We want a Hinduism inspired by Andrew Tate.
32:08Now Gandhi, look at the meek figure.
32:16It hurts our aspiring masculinity.
32:24Rashtrapita?
32:26Can't even stand properly.
32:32And doesn't look impressive or smart or handsome or sexy.
32:37In fact, borderline ugly.
32:40Look at his ears.
32:42Monkish.
32:48And he doesn't hit anyone
32:52with this lath that he carries.
32:55His greatest weapon is
33:00Satyagraha, Anshan.
33:02Amaran Anshan.
33:04Fasting till death.
33:06We don't like that.
33:12We want to be more
33:15testosterone driven.
33:25We don't realise that
33:28courage is not about your balls
33:32or your body.
33:38Courage is something far deeper.
33:49And it's not just about Gandhi.
33:52It's been
33:54the very Indian message through the millennia.
33:59The entire line
34:01of seers and sages and saints and knowers
34:05who have said that it takes tremendous courage
34:08to first of all fight against yourself.
34:13Gandhi's message is so
34:15close to that
34:17of the Jains.
34:19And you know what Jin means?
34:22A winner.
34:26Why is he a winner?
34:28Because he has conquered himself.
34:31There is the Jain Ramayana
34:36in which Ram becomes
34:38so liberated that he doesn't even kill Ravan.
34:41Lakshman kills Ravan.
34:44Ram becomes a Jain.
34:47He says,
34:49all this killing etc. is for...
34:52Ram just becomes liberated.
34:55It's not as if it's just Gandhi
34:57who is coming and saying
34:59that the greatest courage lies in
35:01first of all conquering yourself.
35:03That has been the message
35:05through the centuries.
35:07Now how many of them will you kill?
35:11If Gandhi is to be killed
35:15for saying that first of all you need to fight,
35:18yourself,
35:20then you will need to kill so many others as well.
35:24Because the entire tradition
35:26of Indian seers and sages
35:28has been saying exactly the same thing.
35:30Go kill all of them.
35:32Bring down their statues.
35:34Erase their memories.
35:38Despise them.
35:43Turn them into villains in your history books.
35:46The entire line.
35:49Starting right from Gautam Buddha.
35:53Is Ahimsa a Gandhian innovation or invention?
35:57Ahimsa is coming from there.
35:59Before Gandhi, go shoot Gautam.
36:08How do you become a coward
36:10if you first of all
36:12decide to fight your own inner vices?
36:15How is that cowardice?
36:17Kindly illuminate me.
36:20Because that's the charge being levelled.
36:23Gandhi turned all of us into cowards.
36:26How is it cowardice
36:28to face your own reality?
36:32How?
36:34Do you become brave
36:36if you are shying away from your inner fact?
36:38If you say, I will not look at how I am.
36:40I just want to
36:42fight the external enemy.
36:44And how do you know?
36:46The external enemy is if you do not know who you are.
36:50We talk of Shatrubodh so much these days.
36:53That's fine.
36:55But to have an enemy,
36:57first of all you must know who you are.
37:03If instead
37:05of knowing myself as a man,
37:08I think I am a mouse,
37:10then all the cats are my enemies.
37:13Even to know who is my enemy,
37:14first of all I must know who I am.
37:17And that is the process of self-knowledge.
37:20First of all looking at your own reality.
37:23If I am a mouse,
37:25then I will keep chasing cats to kill them.
37:27These are my historical enemies.
37:29Shatrubodh.
37:31But you are not mouse at all.
37:33So why are you fighting the cat then?
37:40And that's the
37:42accusation against Gandhi.
37:45Hmm?
37:47He made Indians into cowards.
37:50If that is the accusation,
37:52that accusation
37:54should not be reserved for Gandhi alone.
37:58Level that against, I am saying,
38:01all your rishis, sages, seers, saints,
38:04everybody,
38:06the entire line, the whole tradition,
38:08all the branches of the spiritual tree.
38:11Accuse them
38:13because all spirituality is fundamentally about
38:16looking at yourself first
38:18and then fighting the external battle.
38:23Nobody is asking you not to fight external battles.
38:26You are being told, first of all,
38:28fight the inner battle
38:30and only that will give you the clarity and the power
38:33to fight the right external battles.
38:37Look at the
38:39battlefield of Kurukshetra for example.
38:43Krishna is not supplying Arjun with weapons.
38:47He is supplying Arjun with self-knowledge
38:51and Arjun wins.
38:53Even to win the external battle,
38:55first of all you have to win the internal battle.
38:58Gita is about Krishna
39:00helping Arjun to win the internal battle.
39:01Not without reason Gandhi used to say that Gita is like my mother.
39:22Though I will have
39:24my reservations on whether Gandhi
39:27really interpreted Gita accurately.
39:31Today, if
39:33he could come, I would contest him.
39:35I would say, no sir,
39:37your interpretation of Gita
39:39is way off the mark in many ways.
39:44But that's alright.
39:52The answer, my friend, is
39:55blowing in the wind. There is a beautiful line there.
39:58How many times?
40:01How many times?
40:03Come on, come on, come on.
40:05No darling fans here?
40:11Now they will
40:13accuse me of
40:16singing so badly.
40:20That's what I am going to do next.
40:22Bring me the lyrics.
40:32Look at these
40:34and see how relevant they are
40:36to today's discussion.
40:39How many roads
40:41must a man walk down?
40:44How many roads must a man walk down
40:46before you call him a man?
40:48How many times do you want to
40:50test a man
40:53without
40:55any reason?
40:57How many roads
40:59must a man walk down
41:01without
41:03testing yourself
41:05even once?
41:07You keep testing
41:09the other man
41:11without having tested yourself
41:13even once.
41:15Right?
41:17How many
41:19roads must a man walk down
41:21before you call him a man?
41:23How many seas
41:25must a white dove sail
41:27before she sleeps in the sand?
41:29And how many times
41:31before my friend
41:33is blowing in the wind,
41:34the answer is blowing in the wind.
41:46It's so beautiful.
41:48Yes, and how many years
41:50must a mountain exist
41:53before it is washed to the sea?
41:55You understand the mountain?
41:57In context to our discussion,
41:58the mountain of ignorance.
42:00Yes, and how many years
42:01must a mountain exist
42:02before it is washed to the sea?
42:04And how many years
42:05can some people exist
42:07before they are allowed
42:08to be free?
42:11The thing is,
42:13it's not the British
42:15now who are not
42:16allowing you to be free.
42:17It's your own
42:18internal ignorance
42:19and bigotry
42:20and prejudices
42:21that are not
42:22allowing you to be free.
42:24Yes, and how many times
42:25can a man turn his head
42:26and pretend
42:27that he just doesn't see?
42:29How long will you
42:30keep pretending
42:31that you don't see
42:32the obvious?
42:33How long will you
42:34ignore the
42:35very direct fact?
42:38The answer, my friend,
42:39is blowing in the wind.
42:40The answer is blowing
42:41in the wind.
42:43Yes, and how many times
42:45must a man look up
42:46before he can see
42:47the sky?
42:49The answer is
42:50bring down the sky.
42:54Just bring down
42:55all the towering statues.
42:57Right?
42:58I can't look up.
43:00Why should I
43:01allow them to stand up?
43:03Bring them down.
43:04Raise them to the ground.
43:09And how many
43:10years
43:11must one man have
43:12before he can
43:13hear people cry?
43:17Yes, and how many
43:18deaths
43:19will it take
43:20till he knows
43:21that too many
43:22people have died?
43:26The answer, my friend,
43:27is blowing in the wind.
43:28The answer is
43:29blowing in the wind.
43:37Sir, there is a
43:38small follow-up question
43:39that online participants
43:40are asking.
43:42They are asking that,
43:43Acharyaji, we do not
43:44want you to
43:45be the second Gandhi.
43:46We do not want
43:47people to misunderstand
43:48you.
43:49So what is it that
43:50we can do in this?
43:58See, I will meet
43:59my fate.
44:07The beautiful thing,
44:09amor fati,
44:10love of fate,
44:13comes from
44:14Ichche.
44:17One of his most
44:18intriguing
44:19stories
44:20is
44:21that
44:22he was
44:23born
44:24in
44:25a
44:57world
44:58where
44:59you
45:00make
45:01use of me
45:03in
45:04whichever way
45:05possible.
45:08Use me.
45:13One doesn't
45:14know
45:19how long
45:20the
45:22whole thing
45:24will last
45:25and also
45:26doesn't know
45:27what twists
45:28and turns
45:29are there
45:30in the tail
45:33to make hay
45:34while the
45:35sun shines.

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