Converging Apostasy: NAR and the New World Order - Episode 188 Branham Research Podcast - video Dailymotion

William Branham Historical Research

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham   Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast   Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K  John and Steve exampine the convergence of religious extremism, particularly within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), with various ideological movements. The speakers trace historical and modern examples of how pseudo-intellectualism, accelerationism, and spiritual warfare rhetoric have intertwined to create a dangerous and militant environment within certain religious groups. Drawing parallels between Christian identity movements, the occult, and figures like Steve Bannon and Alexander Dugin, the conversation reveals how political and religious figures have used apocalyptic language to stir unrest. This convergence is further explored through the lens of movements such as the Latter Rain and Christian identity, showing how these groups have influenced each other over time.  A significant focus is on the dangers of weaponizing religion for political purposes. The conversation delves into historical moments where religious leaders incited violence or radical beliefs, such as in the Pentecostal and Latter Rain movements, which were linked to Christian identity extremism. The discussion ultimately points to a continued merging of religious extremism with far-right ideologies, raising concerns about how the NAR's language and teachings could potentially fuel future violence or societal collapse. The fear of apocalyptic outcomes, race wars, and radical militant actions is shown as a recurring theme in both past and present religious movements.  00:00 Introduction   01:03 Weaponized Religion and New Book Release   03:00 Origins of Christian Identity and Sacred Purge   05:00 Accelerationism and Influence of Helena Blavatsky   06:38 Breakdown of Accelerationist Ideology and Examples   08:30 MKUltra, LSD, and Government Conspiracies   10:30 Christian Identity in the Latter Rain Movement   12:00 Themes of Destruction in Accelerationism   15:00 Occult Influences and Esoteric Teachings   17:40 The Gnostic Influence on NAR and Other Movements   20:00 Steve Bannon's Connections and the Role of Pseudo-Intellectuals   22:00 Neo-Nazism and Influence on Violent Extremism   25:00 Historical Figures: Wesley Swift and Aryan Nations   30:00 Comparing Christian Identity Themes in NAR   34:00 Joel's Army and Militant Language in Churches   40:00 Convergence of Christian and Gnostic Beliefs   45:00 Dangers of Weaponizing Religion for Political Ends   50:00 Science Fiction Influences on Religious Extremism   54:00 Closing Remarks about Pop Culture Influences  ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Face

Transcript

00:00You

00:30Welcome to another episode of the William Branham historical research podcast. I'm your host John Collins

00:38the author and founder of William Branham historical research at William dash Branham org and with me

00:44I have Steve Montgomery the author of the converging apostasy and a quick outline of hands-on

00:51eschatology a matter of timing and agency and

00:54And together we're examining the themes of apostasy in the New Apostolic Reformation and its history

01:01Steve it's a good day. I

01:03Mentioned this the last time we recorded that the new book was on its way and would probably be released before

01:10or soon after the last podcast and I think the last podcast went out and the new book is now out

01:18weaponized religion from Christian identity to the NAR in

01:22English and as of this weekend

01:24I have taken a note from the playbook of Charles Paisley and I've got a French version coming out

01:31I think the Kindle is already out as of now in French and

01:36Soon the Spanish version will be coming out. So I have published my first French and Spanish book, which is kind of funny

01:45Considering I don't speak either but there are tools that Charles showed me how to use that

01:51Magically now I have my book in French and anyway

01:55It's it's out and all of the the Christian identity stuff. It doesn't cover the apostasy stuff

02:02You'll need to get Steve's book

02:03But the part that I usually navigate towards the Christian identity stuff

02:07You can find the entire history of it in this book dating back, you know far before

02:13Pentecostal ism all the way up into the NAR. Yeah. Well John that's really

02:19Intriguing and great to hear that you have that new book out. I'll be looking forward to getting a copy of it

02:27The part about having it in other languages

02:29I think you really have to focus on putting it in Hindi and once you've got that and Mandarin

02:35I think I think you'll be set so

02:40Speaking of being set what I kind of set my eyes on for for today is

02:48I guess what people would call pseudo intellectuals and

02:53Propagandists that maybe you're behind the the scenes

02:59pulling strings and influencing others like say like the populist do the the grunt work and they

03:07set the stage for the

03:09deductions and the

03:12Like I said pseudo intellectual backing so in the past

03:18I've been focusing a lot on the action of a sacred purge

03:22Through the ideas of disciples of Jane lead in the latter a movement of 1948

03:28And those that they influenced in the current day NAR

03:32So it's not just something that's you know deep in the past Jane lead. Yes

03:3717th century prophetess but her influence on the

03:411948 prophets is then evident in the NAR today

03:47So also

03:49I think we've touched on this quite a bit is similar actions can be found or

03:56Promotion of the sacred purge through disciples in the New Age primarily through Alice Bailey's writings

04:03But also you can see it through a host of others, but she's so influential. I just focus on her

04:10So today like I said a new category sort of new is

04:15To look at the pseudo intellectuals that

04:18essentially

04:20Have the idea

04:22The ones I'm going to look at of joining together with the goal of making Russia and

04:29USA great again

04:31Sounds strange to many ears. Yeah, it did to me too, and I heard it. So how are they going to do this?

04:37well, they have

04:39There's a group of folks. They call this

04:44Accelerationism

04:45So what they mean is they will be accelerating

04:49Their aligned in time order of events by sowing chaos and creating political tension

04:57Oddly enough I saw a really I don't recommend this movie, but I saw it advertised. It's called

05:04Wild in the streets and this is 1968

05:09Have you heard of that one John? No, I haven't. Yeah, so it's essentially some

05:14disgruntled young hippies that feel like they need to be in charge of things and the old folks are not

05:22Fit to do this anymore. So

05:24Rather than go politically they decide to put LSD in the water

05:30So and so they corrupt everybody's minds and take over. So it's a pretty lame

05:36Pretty lame story as far as the movie and the acting goes, but there's this

05:44This behind-the-scenes sort of thing. So what I would focus on in this in this group is the

05:52pseudo-intellectuals like Helena Blavatsky, John Lamb Lash

05:58Julius Evola

06:00Alexander Dugan

06:02Steve Bannon and Nick Land

06:06So I'm pretty sure that a lot of folks not heard of all those names, but we'll get to them

06:11They all seek to fuse spiritual

06:15political and even scientific means

06:18To accelerate the downfall of society and replace it with a new order and that's expressed in many different ways

06:27So what is acceleration ism I

06:30Am to answer this question as best I can

06:34Based on several articles in YouTube videos

06:37I'm not going to give all of those but a couple of them

06:41Here's an article that I thought was useful

06:43It's called acceleration ism the obscure idea inspiring white supremacist killers around the world

06:50how a techno techno capitalist philosophy

06:54morphed into a justification for murder and

06:58That's by Jack Beauchamp

07:022019 and

07:04Then another one out of the titles pretty bizarre

07:08Excels acceleration is an amphetamine philosophy and a death trip by Jules

07:15Evans and that's

07:172023

07:19Then also, I know that we we came up with this name last time, but I think this is odd

07:26but also strangely appropriate is a

07:30Acceleration ism is also

07:32Discussed and promoted by a blogger named as a cell. There's a lot to unpack there

07:39but um, it made me go back and think of all of the different weird facts that

07:45That I've uncovered in my research not all of which I've published because some of it edges really close towards conspiracy theory

07:52Which I avoid

07:54altogether because it can brand you as

07:57But you know publishing inaccurate information, however

08:01MK ultra there is enough documentation out there. That is factual and

08:07Even though the term conspiracy theory was made to literally throw people to throw up a distraction away from this

08:15the government the United States government put LSD on the streets in an attempt to stop a

08:23civil rights war basically because of

08:27Literally because of the Christian identity stuff that we've been talking about

08:30so there was an actual plot to put LSD on the streets, but it was staged by the United States government and

08:38The interesting the reason why I'm bringing this up

08:41which is interesting in latter rain a lot of people who are disconnected don't realize this but

08:47the Christian identity themes that birthed latter rain

08:53Included the Jewish conspiracy the thought that there were false Jews that were intent on taking over the world

08:59global domination

09:01Well, there was a Russia component and a Rome component that merged into that when it became

09:08the when Christian identity

09:10became the very racist violent thing that that it transitioned into and so

09:16The LSD being put onto the streets

09:18was the government's attempt to stop what these

09:22Racists were claiming was an impending race war and which was actually developing because of the racists

09:27So it was you know, almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy

09:31But that is believe it or not. That is the world that I grew up in

09:36We we were taught that there would be a Russian

09:40Threat to the United States and it would come at the time in which there was a female president

09:45And then the entire world would be utterly destroyed

09:49so if you look at what's happening today with the with the two candidates running for president and

09:56the events that are happening in Russia

09:59I'm sad to say that in the cult that I escaped there is a

10:03Tremendous amount of fear because they believe this is the scenario for the end of days and it is a history that has repeated itself

10:10Because back in the 60s, they thought the same thing which is why they think this today

10:15It's it's the same cult just a different decade. Yeah, John. That's really amazing

10:22It's like you're reading my notes here

10:25what I prepared to talk about because

10:27a big component of it is is the

10:31Pseudo-intellectuals that

10:34Really are trying to excuse me stoke a race war

10:38And so that goes to the left that goes to the right and the idea of a Jewish

10:44Conspiracy the dark deep state and there's folks behind the scenes

10:49the elders of Zion, etc

10:53and the the civil rights issues you're discussing so

10:59The next thing I was going to point out it's just it's sort of what you're talking about there in a big way is

11:06Acceleration is and

11:08Sort of draws a line in the sand

11:10But instead of saying you guys on the right wing or you guys on the left wing

11:15Are counted out?

11:17they have

11:19intellectual

11:20pseudo-intellectual

11:21Backing to say we're both in the same game. So it's kind of a twist on what you're saying

11:27But I found it interesting

11:30That folks on the left and the right that are part of this acceleration is idea

11:38They both desire to destabilize and take over all existing systems

11:43So wherever you heard that before it's like the narrow seven mountains and for them it also includes education

11:49religion and government than some other categories

11:53So as a result both forms of excess

11:57Acceleration ism desire rapid changes in society by any means necessary

12:03This means that the best things for them that leftist and white supremacists can do is

12:09to accelerate as they put it this court death and destruction and

12:15this since their actions are pretty much like starting a fire with a

12:19accelerant like say gasoline

12:22So who started all this kind of stuff well

12:26Like a lot of your research is very hard to pinpoint one person

12:32But people who have kind of been observing this this movement

12:38Say that this fellow named Nick land has he's been described as the godfather of acceleration ism

12:45So what about him?

12:47He co-founded the cybernetic culture research Institute or unit rather

12:55aka

12:56the CCR you

12:58And it sounds like a NASA group, but they're like they like to put words that way

13:04They were a research group of intellectuals that mixed

13:08techno-science

13:10Scientific racism as if there's something that actually exists and John and I you've mentioned this a lot

13:17They also are actually into science fiction

13:20So and then as I was reading about it just came to my mind. No, please not again

13:26But yes again, they also dabbled in the occult. So the intellectuals sure. They're highly educated got a high IQ

13:35But they seem to think the occult is a way to go to learn

13:40So to be more specific what I really mean by by saying that they dabbled in the occult

13:47Well, one is that they followed some of the ideas of Nazi

13:52Eugenics that were based on the occultist Helena Blavatsky's

13:56Theosophy as far as Blavatsky's theosophy goes

14:01It sought to compare the study of religion

14:05philosophy and science

14:07Even though they had some really wacko

14:09religious ideas

14:11They tacked in there the science component

14:15And here we go again oddly enough the CCRU

14:19that Nick land was a part of moved into the home that was formerly owned by

14:26the Satanist Alistair Crowley

14:28And so while they were in his home, they practiced what they thought were rituals to call down demons

14:36These demons reportedly told them the secrets about

14:41Lemuria and

14:42the Lemurian tradition

14:45That supposedly contained everything that was and will be

14:50Well having read a lot of Jane Leeds stuff and other

14:54Similar sorts of writers and the manifest sons of God movement is very similar to their idea of a conscious

15:03Pre-existence and so you can hear this through one of her disciples in the latter reign

15:09Royal Cronquist, he says that their revelations that came before

15:15Genesis 1

15:17Also, David Ebal very tight with Bill Britton

15:21Ebal talks about the volume of the book which contained these

15:25pre-existent

15:27pre-genesis 1

15:29ideas

15:30So you might have heard this also from Wesley Swift, but this runs parallel to his ideas about creation

15:39When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy

15:44Well, he wasn't the only one that taught that you can also hear

15:48George Houghton

15:50you know the one of the guys that really got the lettering started in 1948 and

15:56Numerous other manifest sons of God teachers talk about this stuff

16:01Oddly enough. It's also like the occultist Helena Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce's

16:08Akashic record this thing that tapped into the secret knowledge of the universe

16:16Which mostly ends up being a lot of hooey

16:19but also can have

16:22Angles to it like the the racist ideas and that we will be gods and take over that kind of nonsense

16:30so

16:31fifth in this in this connection of ideas

16:36Coming from land that essentially would be designated as occult

16:41Was that the CCRU also were fascinated with Kabbalistic numerology?

16:47so again tying this into

16:50Manifest sons of God lettering teachers who influenced the Nara

16:56Who who was also interested interested in this would be George Warnock

17:02the Britain

17:03Royal Conquest David Ebal and lo and behold there is again Franklin Hall and

17:11William Branham who spearheaded the movement also believed that there was a race prior to Genesis

17:16He said that he believed that there was another civilization that existed before and I

17:21Can't remember the exact phrase

17:23But the people had hands like a monkey and tail like I don't know exactly what he said

17:29But what he's essentially referring to is the mud people that Wesley Swift was teaching

17:33they were all teaching the fact that there was this race that pre-existed Genesis and it was the devil's kingdom and

17:40God planted Genesis God planted the humans that were the white race and then

17:46You know the history there. It's it is it's still science fiction, but they have a

17:52Historical version of science fiction, but where it gets interesting is they brought in later the UFO

17:57So they brought in the futuristic science fiction with the prehistoric science fiction

18:02But I grew up with that too

18:04But it was largely diminished the all of the leaders in Branham ism today

18:11they

18:12many of them had to have been aware that it was teaching the Wesley Swift doctrines and I

18:17Strongly suspect that the elders talked among themselves, but to the average person who's hearing it

18:24It's been scrubbed from the recordings and they don't really

18:28Except for the phrases they've missed you don't really find it so much

18:31But it developed into a very horrific thing in the 60s because they literally thought that

18:37People who had dark skin came from mud people and that they were less than human

18:42which is not a Christian way to live by no means and that's how it developed but

18:48Where it gets interesting is when you take?

18:51those themes those racist ideas and not racist themes and

18:56Consider the fact that they're merging in

18:58Gnostic ideas

19:00Gnosticism and

19:02creating almost a

19:04futuristic Lord of the Rings style end-of-day scenario and

19:09You know if it were a movie or a book

19:11It might be one that ought to read but I'm not really interested to hear it in my church

19:16And that's the problem with this. They were saying these things in the churches

19:20Yeah, John. No kidding. That's that's amazing. What what has transpired? It's been Christian doctrine and of course

19:28there are fruits of that and

19:31So as far as this guy

19:33land

19:35Well, he has fruits of his influence. Here's a couple of items. I would mention

19:41since

19:422016 lands so-called dark enlightenment has been

19:47recognized as an inspiration for far-right movements like the alt-right which of course Steve Bannon has had great connections with and

19:56Then it would take too long to discuss that but then if you take Steve Bannon's

20:02Connections and who he who's he affiliated with in the NAR

20:06Then you can see there's there's these strings attaching all different directions, and that's where the the influence can

20:13can transpire

20:16Okay, so here's some example of the fruits of lands influence on white supremacist

20:22violence

20:23They include the murder of a young gay man. Who's named

20:27Blaise Bernstein

20:29the terrorist attack on Pittsburgh's Tree of Life synagogue

20:34the attack on mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand and

20:38The shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas

20:42Right. That's exactly the point. I was stressing earlier whenever you take something that is so

20:48Anti-biblical and then mix it with people who have a

20:53leaning towards extremism, they're going to take it out to very extremist ideas and

20:59Modern examples of things that can go wrong

21:02I've mentioned in the book and I can't remember the exact phrase but in the NAR world today you have

21:08Mike Bickle who was in you know, the leader of IHOP KC

21:13Saying things like God

21:15God likes Jesus likes bloodshed. I can't remember the exact quote

21:19You'd have to go get it from the book, but he's saying things like this, which you know

21:24If I were to hear his entire sermon in context

21:27I'm still gonna say it sounds bad and sounds awful

21:30But to the people listening

21:32They probably thought that it wasn't so bad that he said this and I'll probably get people who are defending that statement

21:38but the problem is if there's anybody in the audience who has

21:42Into any mental health issues or if they are are

21:46Inwardly an extremist they could take this out to levels far beyond what Bickle ever intended to say

21:52And that's really the problem with these kind of statements. I think early on in Christian identity. They never really

21:59Anticipated that they would almost create a race war, but they did they it was a self-fulfilling prophecy in the 60s

22:07Yeah, and John, I don't know if this is the the quote you're thinking of with Bickle

22:13But he said that one of the I'm paraphrasing like you were

22:19one of the the main points of

22:21revelation is

22:23the the annihilation of human life the taking of human life and he he said something that's this is a

22:31more close

22:34Paraphrase he said that

22:36When

22:37Jesus kills people the blood will spatter up on his robe and then later in the same in the same

22:46manual or I forget if it was a

22:49Tape recording but later in that same thing. He says that

22:54the the end time overcomers

22:57He puts different words to it, but they will be involved in this in this ministry

23:04Now I think the way he gets gets away with that or tippy-toes around it at least in in print

23:13Is that he he talks about?

23:17You know like 24-7 prayer and

23:21Prayer will bring in this

23:23Tribulation in which I think one of the words I heard about was like a couple of billion people

23:30Will be wiped off the face of the earth

23:33So yeah, yeah to keep it really really accurate

23:36I would say I'm not quoting him directly, but I know that I've heard those kinds of things

23:43Similar things from from him and his church

23:46okay, so I realized that this is this kind of twist on words, but

23:52When I wrote it down I put more on

23:55Nick land and then I said more on okay more on Nick land and the land of CCRU

24:02So lands

24:04CCRU is like the esoteric

24:08neo-fascist intellectual

24:10Julius Evola

24:12Who was an advisor of both?

24:15Mussolini and Hitler so his his street cred is about as bad as you can go

24:20But yeah, Evola had what was that ride the tiger? They can was on the bestsellers list

24:27and you know his behind-the-scenes pulling strings and

24:31We'll see something pretty amazing about that in just a second. So how is this this idea of

24:40Of race war and all of that gonna happen

24:43Well land sees attacking racial minorities and Jews as a way of bringing us closer to race war

24:51With the goal of establishing a white dominated future

24:55So, you know bring it up identity and Wesley Swift

25:00Well Swift, I don't know if you I think he did have a doctorate where he picked it up, I don't know

25:08dr. Swift, so

25:10You you wouldn't really put him toe-to-toe with this guy Nick land or Steve Bannon as far as

25:17Intellect and being well read. I don't think I mean Swift read a lot of garbage

25:23Which he then repackaged and passed on to other folks

25:27But here's another for another person Nick land

25:31Who's he's he's pretty pretty bright fella, and he's talking the same talk about race war

25:39Something that would fuel race war. So back to Bannon

25:43of course, he was the former White House chief of staff under President Trump and

25:49He's an alt-right advocate

25:52he's been described as

25:55Quote a deeply read and erudite

25:58Observer of the American religious scene with the keen appetite for mystical thought. Hmm

26:04Yeah, that's all true. But here's for a bigger surprise

26:09Bannon has reportedly read

26:12CCRU literature and was described by land himself as quote fully enlightened and

26:20unusually interesting

26:23You mentioned Wesley Swift's doctorate and that's where it gets really interesting he was trained in life college by

26:31Amy Simple McPherson's Angelus Temple. I think it was also Philip Monson's Christian identity school

26:38I think maybe those the combination of this too

26:40But if you look at what was going on at Angelus Temple and and I'm certain they've changed since then but there were a lot

26:48of white supremacy

26:50Leaders that were emerging from that and Christian identity leaders

26:54They were fully sold on the Jewish conspiracy theory and they were

26:58inviting key

27:00Speakers like Gerald Burton Winrod to come speak at the Angelus Temple back then

27:05So and you know, if you look back at the history of Pentecostal ism

27:09That is significant because even the 50th anniversary of Pentecostal ism was held at the Angelus Temple. They they had a

27:17significant impact on the Pentecostal world and

27:20You can't say that all Pentecostals believe this because they don't but there was a period of time in which a majority did

27:27Yeah, and the same thing not all people

27:30connected with Bayonetter who have

27:33Shown up somewhere and shaking his hand

27:36obviously, they're not all into this kind of stuff either, but he's got that he's got the one hand is linking back to

27:45some really bad stuff

27:48Through some of his associates and people he's promoted

27:51While the other one reaches to more the norm

27:55of folks in in the NAR

27:57so

27:58The next thing I have it's just more morons connected to land

28:04Well, here's one

28:06this fella gives instructions on just how to accelerate death and destruction and

28:12It comes from a neo-nazi writer named James Mason

28:17In his newsletter called siege now, I don't really haven't traced down who reads siege

28:24other than neo-nazi folks

28:27but again, he's got a connection to

28:31to Nick land and

28:33This is a way he can pass on some of his ideas

28:37Well another surprise maybe is that this fellow

28:42James Mason

28:44Literally promotes what he thinks is the approach or was the approach of Charles Manson

28:51This brings up what and how in the world is this even possible?

28:56Well, it comes as no surprise since they

28:59Corresponded with each other while Manson was in prison and the murders committed by Manson and his

29:07Manson family

29:09to Mason they serve as a model of

29:12decentralized violent action

29:14There would be hard for authorities to stop. So you think about these?

29:19lone wolf type attacks and who who's

29:24Who's behind the strings of that who who were they listening to and sometimes extremely hard to trace it down

29:32But this is trickle-down

29:35Kind of effect sort of like what you're talking about

29:39Pentecostals who studied

29:42In the Amy Semple McPherson's

29:46Doctorate mill

29:48to get their education

29:51so

29:52according to this guy

29:54Mason

29:55He says if neo-nazis would follow

29:58Manson's example, they could start a race war

30:02Accelerate again that word accelerate the pace of a societal collapse

30:06And then set up what they think would be a replacement of today's society by a fourth Reich

30:13Well, they're in the really really the deep end of the pool

30:17but again, it's been

30:20passed around by these these folks that are sort of intellectuals and

30:25So even this idea that you might have heard the the great replacement idea and the theory of white genocide

30:31a lot of these ideas have a

30:35Accelerationist

30:36Component. Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism?

30:44transitioned through the latter reign

30:46Charismatic and other fringe movements into the New Apostolic Reformation

30:51You can learn this and more on William Branham historical research's website

30:56William dash Branham org on the books page of the website

31:00You can find the compiled research of John Collins Charles Paisley Stephen Montgomery

31:06John McKinnon and others with links to the paper audio and digital versions of each book

31:12You can also find resources and documentation on various people and topics related to those movements

31:18if you want to contribute to the cause you can support the podcast by clicking the contribute button at the top and as

31:26Always be sure to LIKE and subscribe to the audio or video version that you're listening to or watching

31:31On behalf of William Branham historical research. We want to thank you for your support

31:37We keep bouncing back and forth between me taking your ideas and you taking mine

31:42but the neo-nazis that's a I didn't cover it deeply in the book, but I did mention it the history of what developed into the

31:51the

31:52American neo-nazi parties and the

31:55Aryan nations, for example, all of that has a direct tail

32:00Trail all the way back to Wesley Swift and you can follow that timeline. And in fact

32:05In in the trail of history that leads to that

32:09One of the leaders which was Gerald Burton when Rod's son. He was he was part of the

32:16What's it called the National States Rights Party, which is a white supremacist?

32:21Political right-wing political not not job

32:25He had a PO box here in Jeffersonville, Indiana

32:28Where William Branham's home church was and that was where it was originally

32:32I think it was originally headquartered in Jeffersonville, which gets really crazy when you think of all of the significance of that

32:39But there's a there's a trail that leads there and I get you've probably seen it on the comments on my feed

32:46But anytime I mention anything to do with what happened at the Capitol or or the president who shall not be named

32:53They say that no, there's no connection

32:55That was extremists and you can't blame the rest of the people for what the extremists are doing, which is partially true

33:03But what I am quick to point out is there's that trail of history that leads back to the origins

33:09The origins of the NAR and the origins of the extremists at January 6 have a significant intersection and

33:17And in fact, it's more than an intersection

33:19This was common belief among a lot of people back and back at the time of this intersection

33:24So it was what evolved into the extremism

33:27the really scary part for me Steve is that the rhetoric that was used to build the

33:35Emotions that created the extremists is the same exact rhetoric that's used today in the NAR

33:41Even though you know, it may not have developed into people carrying

33:46AK-47s yet. They're saying the same exact things that did develop into this back in the 50s and 60s

33:53yes, there's a good word there because

33:57You know people tell me sometimes you say oh you don't really think that these guys are gonna have a race war

34:03I think it's sore

34:05It does matter but I think that's not the part that matters the part that matters to me

34:11Is that anybody like even like I said a lone wolf type person?

34:17would take

34:18Deadly action or attempt to take deadly action

34:21based on these sorts of beliefs

34:24Which as you rightly pointed out

34:28You can't say it's identical it's sort to me

34:31It's like playing whack-a-mole, you know part of the crops appear you whack that then it comes up here then it renames itself

34:37Then you have all these tendrils

34:40Interconnected influences of who influenced to who well we can probably say that

34:47that for the most part the latter rain version that

34:52Neo Pentecostal version that manifest sons of God latter rain all that

34:58Influenced by Jane Lee would not be folks that you'd usually

35:02Generally say our new age or influenced by science fiction

35:07However, you might have heard of this one John since you you have an interest in science fiction

35:13There was a novel written by

35:15Rogers a lens knee

35:17Called Lord of Light and this actually influenced Nick land and we heard what I was saying about him

35:25So Sam is one of the main characters in this book, but he's known by many other names

35:31Now here's something that people have heard about New Age stuff

35:35he's also known as

35:38Maitreya which is the Christ in a lot of New Age teachings and the Lord of Light another

35:47Another way to express this the Christ of a the Alice Bailey's New Age teachings

35:54So there's another another character in the book

35:58Kali, well, she's the goddess of destruction and she's actually based on the Hindu goddess of the same name and

36:08Anybody who's listening if you got youngsters around you might want to get them out of the way

36:13Put something over the ears

36:16Kali in a lot of neo Gnostic writings is

36:21Considered

36:22Quote the sacred whore

36:25prunukos

36:26prunukos

36:28And she is willing to quote love all who bring her gifts of chaos

36:34okay, so

36:36Chaos that can take us in a lot of directions, especially if you've heard or read anything that I've written about

36:44Alexander Dugan

36:45Rather than the logos say like Christ

36:49He has the dark logos they like that word dark and for him he calls it chaos and

36:57if you look at

36:59Alexander

37:01Dugan's writings you can see why he calls it the dark logos

37:06So anyway, what some of the levels of chaos be?

37:11That this movement would unleash if they had even the chance to attempt to

37:16Well taking a step slightly backwards I would quote somebody on this

37:21Now I have become death the destroyer of worlds. This comes from a Hindu writing called the Bhagavad Gita

37:30It was also quoted by Robert Oppenheimer

37:34Considered the father of the atomic bomb and this was in response to the first time that he witnessed this testing

37:41He described it in several ways

37:43But one was it was like the radiance of a thousand suns

37:48well

37:49Connecting that back to this New Age writer Alice Bailey

37:54She actually says in her writings that atomic bombs can be used in the future

38:00To police what she thinks of as rogue nations that don't cooperate with

38:06This leader the Christ and his new world religion as she puts it

38:12All of which makes for a great Marvel movie if you like the Avengers and Thanos

38:18Which I do

38:19But it doesn't have really a setting in church. This is not that's the problem. I've

38:25In some of the other podcasts I'm doing we're examining some really really odd stuff and you know

38:31One of them we're talking about the deliverance ministries. It's very much like the Harry Potter of Christianity, right?

38:38But they've taken those themes that aren't Christian and they they create religious beliefs off of it

38:44And that's really I mean, that's really the point of this podcast that we're doing. It is the converging apostasy

38:49the reason why the Marvel movies have these themes is because

38:53They were popular pagan ideas if you go back and you study the ancient Greek and Roman religions

38:59You're gonna find all of the themes that developed into very exciting Marvel movies

39:04But it's not something that should be a Christian Church and I was telling Charles

39:10I feel kind of stupid as an adult telling other adults that we shouldn't go being go to church to be playing Harry Potter

39:16That's not what we do at church

39:19but

39:21the destroyer of worlds man the fact that

39:24say I grew up in a doomsday called the Branham ism latter rain was a doomsday called and

39:30when you grow up in that mindset you are expecting a

39:33God that does not care for human life and a good versus evil

39:39Scenario that the Greek and Roman gods and mythologies had they've take carried that forward into these movements

39:47Now carry it past William Branham into the latter rain from the latter rain into the NAR

39:52It's the same thing

39:53but now they're adding science fiction Hollywood themes the converging apostasy converges even further with modern ideas and

40:03Again, none of it is Christian. None of it really has a place in a church. Yeah, John. I'm glad you harped on that word

40:10convergence which which of course is

40:12the main theme of my book one of really the main themes

40:17because

40:18You know people will sometimes

40:21Unrightly say that all this stuff is coming from right-wing

40:27Alt-right folks and white supremacists and others will say no. No, it's it's a leftist kind of thing

40:33Well, it's actually it's convergence of that if you read in my book the converging apostasy

40:39You'll see quite a lot of evidence for that. So to me

40:43You can loosely say that New Age is sort of on the on the left, which most of them would agree with that

40:50Alice Bailey sorts of stuff and then on the right, of course, you got the folks that

40:56Were influenced by Jane lead coming on through to

40:59William Branham and his impact on latter rain folks and then the subsequent influence on the NAR

41:07those trails

41:08so but as

41:11The folks that I'm going to list now and some of their basic ideas

41:16they all talk about the desire to

41:20Bring about this destruction of the old order and bring in the new order

41:24But if you listen to

41:27Them carefully, you'll see that some of them are from the rule the right and some of them are from the left

41:32But they are sort of converging in the middle. So the first one is to repeat the name Steve Bannon. I

41:40Can't find this lately, but John I bet you could you could hunt this down your

41:46Research abilities, but I'm quite sure that I read in an interview once that Bannon said

41:54That he was actually a leftist and a Leninist at heart who wants to tear down all political systems

42:02hmm, that's interesting considering the folks he hangs out with and

42:06He becomes quite a pragmatist and a propagandist

42:11just to take advantage of

42:14whatever your whatever stirring in the populist moment and

42:19Steering it this way or steering it that way. But yeah, you know him

42:23Admitting and I'm pretty sure yeah, I am sure that there was a I forgot what the name of the journalist was

42:30But they were with him somewhere. Maybe it was a party or a dinner

42:35function and

42:36It was one of those off-the-cuff

42:39Off-the-record sorts of comments that that Bannon made about being a leftist to this reporter

42:46but evidently

42:48just for accuracy accuracy sake the

42:53The the statement remains and it's it's it's in the record. So

42:58Another one is the which I mentioned before

43:02And I mentioned him in my book under from Russia with love question mark

43:09He's a Russian intellectual and neo Gnostic

43:13Alexander Dugin some people have called him something like a

43:17Vladimir Putin whisperer because he's sort of the

43:21The the talk behind the throne and the influence

43:26And so if you go deeper into Alexander Dugin, you can see

43:31Not only does he have connections with the alt-right?

43:36another one who has

43:38Connections, but he's another one that promotes us

43:42This idea of bringing all things together. I think he calls it his the fourth way in which all

43:51All things political spiritual and so on will converge. So here's what he also said. He said that glory

43:58That's his exact word

44:00Comes with the return of the angels in the destruction of the world

44:05That's bizarre. So this is why some people call him on the sidle

44:10because he not only wants to

44:13you know judge the the evil and

44:16Set up the kingdom. He literally thinks that the destruction of the world is the goal at hand

44:23Well, it's not really great to have that and be influential

44:27to a man like Vladimir Putin

44:31You know, you can kind of read between the lines there and next comes something that that I found in a Gnostic

44:39Writing not really sure the authorship, but it was called on the origin of the world

44:45And people might might have heard me say before that in Gnostic

44:51writings like that of

44:53Valentinus

44:55Sophia is

44:56Considered a goddess and she's portrayed in what?

45:01Evangelicals would probably consider a very Lucifer like way

45:06So what does she say in this on the origin of the world?

45:10she says that

45:12That she

45:15Will be the ultimate destroyer of this material universe

45:19Then she were cast them the Jews down into the abyss where there will be obliterated because of their

45:27wickedness

45:29So anybody on the left is into the sort of pseudo

45:34Neo-gnostic kind of thoughts thinking of oh, it's all like love and unicorns and rainbows, etc

45:41Well, if you dig deep to you know folks that are really influential like Valentinus and these sorts of writings

45:49You find out there's another path that the leads into this

45:54Nickland like stuff

45:56So another person who fits this category is the neo-gnostic

46:01Intellectual where I've read some of his writings, but he's also go figure a

46:06Holocaust denier. His name is John Lamb Lash

46:11so fitting with his

46:13Neo-gnostic perspective. He says that Sophia is the true Lucifer and he says something very pleasing to her

46:22Other than other than an annihilation which he talks about

46:28Is any effort to bring Russia and the United States together?

46:33And then finally finally there's there's another person who's been influenced by Blavatsky

46:39That is the German occultist Rudolf Rudolf Steiner

46:44Who has been described as broadly educated in both the sciences and philosophy?

46:51But again, even though he's an intellectual

46:54He also predicted a global race war between Aryans and non whites

47:00While you were talking I looked up to Steve Bannon quote and it's talking about the comparisons between Steve Bannon and between John

47:08Lennon and Bannon's explains. I would like to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today's

47:15establishment and I

47:18Really? Wish I wish we had recorded this podcast before I published a book because that quote would have made it

47:24It goes with the exact theme I'm building up to because if you think about the NAR seven mountain mandate

47:31Which all sounds really good until you if you're a logical thinker and you think it out to its likely conclusion

47:38You know, there are many different outcomes that could happen should they try to enact the seven mountain mandate, but the most likely

47:46result of this would be exactly what Steve Bannon is pushing for topple all of the world's systems and appoint leaders who are

47:54Controlled and manipulated by the NAR prophets and apostles and I know that sound if you're indoctrinated and you're in the NAR

48:02You're gonna think no, that's not it

48:03But if you follow what they say all the way out to its conclusion, that is the only way that it could work

48:10So what Steve Bannon is saying appeals greatly to the NAR?

48:14Yeah, John

48:15I knew you were quick with the trigger finger and I'm glad you were very very quick and found that that reference

48:22Which I'll note and put it back in my research

48:26So yeah

48:29And again tying back into the NAR I'm just thinking about this

48:34some of the

48:36outright alt-right phrases that you will hear

48:40So like the NAR like Jane Leed like Rick Joyner and Mike Bickle

48:46Apocalypse or the end or the sacred purge

48:50To them it can be controlled through human efforts

48:54in other words like the

48:57pseudo-intellectual

48:58Accelerationist it can be brought about they can make it happen

49:03So this in the NAR under the influence of folks like say Bill Hammond

49:09This would be carrying out the written judgments of God. That's just one of his favorite go-tos and

49:15In New Age writings and those influenced by them

49:19And also in Nick Land, you hear this they talk about the Kali Yuga, which is the age of destruction

49:28which brings in

49:30the new age of enlightenment and their leadership

49:34So you have this thirst for annihilation

49:38with these folks

49:40To them, you know like the quote I took made earlier of Dugan it releases man

49:45It's a glorious moment. He goes down with a blaze of light and glory to the destruction of the universe

49:53But in some of these writings it's also a return to the source

49:58And that can be kind of vague, but they're essentially talking about a divine

50:03presence and

50:05It can be a return to the divine pre-existent cloud of witnesses, which as we talked about before

50:14Are often associated with the Shekinah. The only thing that I could throw in there to make that a little bit more

50:22Cogent is that you have folks like Bill Britton who in one way tried to tippy-toe around

50:28some of the more in

50:30you know

50:32problematic doctrines of the latter rain that he was already a part of but he made this big thing about

50:40Where is heaven he asks us rhetorically one of his books

50:44Then he says essentially it's not the where who is heaven. So he has it's he says that it's the people

50:52The cloud of witnesses that's heaven. Well, let's go and think about that. Well heaven is supposed to

51:00Descend and and fill

51:04The body of Christ here on earth. Well, then you have something that it's really really lined up with

51:12esoteric thought

51:14where they're supposed to be this union between

51:17Individuals in the heavenlies and the body of Christ here. And so there

51:23Again, it's it's like a big weave going from here and there

51:26But you're going from Bill Britton pretty much into Alistair Crowley opening up this

51:33channel for beings to come into

51:36To the earthly realm and for Alice Bailey, she would say that's the externalization of the hierarchy

51:43Coming down to bring about all these

51:46Changes and make mankind divine

51:51But with lead

51:53It's just very odd when people say that she is this or she's not this

51:58lead said so much of this part of

52:02Taking control she called it the spoils of the of the Gentiles

52:07okay, sure sounds like Nora talked to me and

52:11then of course she had the

52:14Kind of an interesting component between

52:17or contrast between

52:20Universal salvation

52:22So everybody's going to get in on this and yeah, but whoops, you know

52:27some folks are gonna have to be removed because they're they're not really up to snuff and

52:33That that idea does go all the way back to Valentinus where he's got these three categories

52:38Which we've talked about before John and they show up with George Warnock one of the more influential folks

52:47For for the latter rain who influenced the NAR also so for me to just wrap this up

52:53Rather than having all this stuff scattered around

52:57To pull it together. I have this kind of this kind of question in mind

53:03Will the NAR find a Steve Bannon ish or an actual Steve Bannon?

53:09on the alt-right

53:11To accelerate any of this stuff we're talking about which is destruction

53:17sacred purge

53:19Race war any of that kind of idea. It's not a question that I'm going to answer. But if you

53:26follow what they're saying out to its logical conclusion and then picture people who

53:32Might be mentally unstable and decide to enact the things that they're preaching

53:37I would say it is a very strong possibility and that it could

53:42That's as far as I'll take it

53:44But it's so scary when you think about it Steve this these are Christian churches and they're weaponizing the religion to

53:52Turn the people into a military and they're even using military language Joel's army for for example

53:59And I had another I don't think this one has come out yet, but I've had another person that I interviewed from the NAR

54:07And they were required to wear dog tags, I mean that was part of their

54:11Church, you know, I don't even call it church. That was part of their play acting that they

54:17They did under the name of Christianity under the disguise of it. Well, and that's that's really wrong, man

54:23That's this is taking things to new levels

54:25And I think that if if the ministers do not change it's going to turn into a bigger mess than we can possibly imagine

54:33Yeah, John, that is scary

54:36Something on the lighter note is I was actually watching before this podcast

54:41a show I forgot the name of it, but it's basically some guys in in Las Vegas and it's a pawn shop and

54:50So people are bringing in all kinds of interesting things and today

54:55Somebody brought in something that they said they were gonna sell it. It's from the actual set of Star Wars

55:01From the Death Star and the guy wanted

55:05$25,000 cuz and the guy he was selling it to you says well, I don't think we can give you that

55:10But yes, what do you want that for?

55:13When he says well, I know a guy who's got the original

55:16What is it the Falcon whatever?

55:19Millennium Falcon. Yeah

55:21Somebody had the original one. He says if I get this

55:2525,000 I'll be able to buy that

55:27So, yeah, I would say that even though he wants to spend

55:32$25,000 he's got his feet on the ground much more so than these dangerous folks were talking about. Yes, Steve

55:39I'm a big Seinfeld fan and somebody told me one day that in every episode of Seinfeld

55:44There is a Superman which sounds a lot cooler than it is

55:47If you actually know that what it is on the refrigerator

55:50There is a poster a pin-up of Superman and that is what they call the Superman when every episode of this podcast

55:57There is a Millennium Falcon, which is right here. My wife gave me for Christmas one day this this set of paintings

56:05But that is that's my claim to Star Trek to Star Wars fame

56:10Yeah, yeah, that's that's great. Well, anyway, we're having fun if you can't tell so hopefully you are too

56:15If you've enjoyed the show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web

56:19You can find us at William dash Branham org and for more information about the dark side of the NAR you can read weaponized

56:26Religion from Christian identity to the NAR available on Amazon Kindle and soon-to-be audible

56:33For more information about the converging apostasy. You can read the book the converging apostasy

56:39You can also read the book a quick outline of hands-on eschatology a matter of timing and agency

56:49You

57:19You

57:49You

Converging Apostasy: NAR and the New World Order - Episode 188 Branham Research Podcast

Category

Transcript

Recommended