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00:00You
00:05Welcome I'm a little late apologies
00:09DeeDee and car are back tonight though, which is really exciting. So I'm really glad to have them back
00:14Hope everybody's having a wonderful
00:17Sunday night. I know we had to watch it live
00:20We usually would have been live already, but everybody had to watch the show live because unfortunately
00:25They not letting us watch it on streaming. Hey, Judy. Hi geek in the kitchen. Can everybody hear me?
00:31I was I was wondering if my sound was okay
00:35We're just waiting on car and DeeDee to get here. Oh la Julie Judy
00:41Well, I see
00:46Hi
00:49You
00:54Excellent
00:57Hello everyone and moonflower first hello
01:02Geek in the kitchen. Thank you for verifying that. Hi. Hello
01:06How are you? Hi guys. I'm good. How are y'all?
01:11I'm okay. I'm okay. I had some car. I had a flat tire the other day. So I had like that whole
01:18Tow truck situation. So but I'm good. I can't complain, you know
01:23I'm gonna I'm actually taking this as a
01:26Break, so now that my preferred car is out of service while it's getting fixed. I'm just not gonna do nothing
01:34Right, I'm taking it as oh, well I can't do anything so that's how it's gonna go
01:39So
01:43Part three of this tell all has aired. There's a lot. I have notes. They're kind of all over the place
01:48I probably have like pages and pages. So I don't even know where to start. So what first of all, what did you think of?
01:56This tell all as a whole and then tell me where
02:00You want to go and what?
02:02Subjects that you want us to cover because I got a million million different things to talk about
02:08Okay, please start with how stupid Angela look tonight
02:12We can start there. Yes, so we heard from Todd which is the private investigator and out of
02:19189 pages of evidence that he produced which I think probably was BS, right?
02:25He said he had 189 pages
02:27None of which he could conclude that Michael was speaking to any women in a romantic way
02:33He also could not conclude that Michael was doing anything shady or being a scammer in any way and I feel like
02:41The information that Angela has been asking for was given to her. It was literally served to her on a silver platter
02:48He told her like look and he even had a graph of all of the people that he was interacting with
02:54Like it was very legit like it had the lines and everything
02:57They couldn't find that he was interacting with any woman specifically our regular basis for like years
03:04Right, like she because she's like, oh, he's cheating on me. He's scamming me
03:08So what is your reaction to the results because you know?
03:11I had asked y'all this question before and I was like if Michael is
03:15Scamming Angela would that change anything and you both said no
03:18So now that we know for a fact that at least online there's no trail of a scam
03:23How does this make you guys feel so happy? Yeah
03:27yeah, and
03:29Who's to say that he didn't have a fake account with a fake name with a fake picture?
03:34well, yeah, he brought up something about a
03:38Facebook account he was or no, he said that Michael had a Facebook account, but he said he also had four additional account in
03:48Instagram if you remember back a couple of years ago, there was all kinds of people
03:54Setting up accounts as
03:57Michael so that to either get him in trouble to break them up to start shit to stir the pot all that
04:04None, none of that was legit. None of them were verified all that stuff
04:08I am so happy to see him vindicated
04:11But what gets me the most is that he this is a private investigator hired by her
04:19Right
04:21By her he gives her all the results and she was so
04:27Hoping that there was anything bad that even when the good came out
04:33She still is calling him names and still calling him a liar and still accusing him like
04:40Also, we need to give her a lie detector test about her Botox. There ain't no way she's getting Botox and if she is
04:48She's a refund
04:51well
04:53She didn't want to believe
04:56That well, what's the best way to word this?
04:59she was like she was praying that it came out that he wasn't doing anything wrong and it did come out that way and
05:05Her reaction was really strange for somebody who really wanted a certain result
05:10She wanted the truth. So it makes me wonder because it always seemed like when she brought him over here
05:15She was really unsure right when she was in Abidin Abidin, she found out a lot of information
05:21About the Paradiseman. Oh, we got to talk about that, too
05:23But she still brought him over here and it kind of seems like to me she's looking for a reason to send him back
05:29Yeah, but but she won't send him back as he literally requested that she sent him back
05:35But I feel like she's like, well, I don't want him
05:37But I also want to make his life a living hell since he's here
05:40Do you feel like that's kind of the way she?
05:43Treats him because she's like well, I shouldn't have brought him here
05:45But at least now that he's here I can make sure that he has the worst possible life because he picked up
05:50Honey, because he's not here on a k1. He's here on the spousal visa. So he's
05:57Automatically a permanent resident so she can't just send
06:02boards ease
06:03She can't well send him back. Well, no
06:07She can't send him back because it's not that like you said nothing 90-day visa where you have a certain amount of time to even
06:12You're getting married or or dissolve the relationship and send the person back yet that that visa was denied
06:19Michael did apply for that visa and it was denied. He actually applied for like three pieces
06:23I believe two were denied and the spousal was
06:26Approved and no one really explains to you because we've heard this from a lot of people who've been through this process
06:32No one explains to you why a visa is approved or denied you just get an approval or a denial
06:37No explanation and I don't know if it's because if they give you the information
06:41You know and then people would share that information online and there will be more fraud
06:45Oh, I want to ask y'all about this paradise men
06:49group because
06:51Everybody in the tell-all cast who was foreign
06:55Said that they were in some sort of group chat with other people in that same situation
07:00So Angela seemed to think that the only reason why Michael was involved in that was because he was scamming her
07:06But Thais and Kobe and Sophie everybody was like, well, no, this is a very scary and
07:14Complicated process and people who are in like situations share information and it makes a lot of sense. Like if you're new to
07:22Insider trading or trading or the stock market
07:26You're gonna join a bunch of different groups of people who've been doing it for a long time because I recently started on investing
07:33I didn't know what I was doing and it's very scary when you don't know what you're doing and you're spending a lot of money
07:38So, what do you guys think about all of the cast being involved in a group of some sort about?
07:45Immigration and visas I do it if I was moving into a different country
07:49I would I would be in touch with as many people as I could try to help me navigate my way
07:56Yeah, I mean and it's like the it's not the same thing when you do like the group texting, you know
08:02I mean you ask you ask questions, you know you you there for like
08:07Support or whatever. It is that your your little group needs. So I don't see nothing wrong with it. Oh, I
08:15Think Angela I could be wrong. This is just my opinion. I think that she's looking for a reason
08:22She's looking for reason for him to be guilty of something because the way that she overreacted throughout the season
08:29it's painting a picture of her that she really wants to erase and
08:35Even at the tell-all even in the mansion. She's reacted to this man and treated this way away
08:40You know Kobe is actually gonna address it on the next part part four of how he just feels like and actually, um,
08:46I believe
08:48Jasmine talked about it tonight
08:49She was like not even an animal should be treated. She's like I wouldn't treat a dog
08:54She's like the dog could pee all over the floor poop all over for I would still never treat that dog
08:59The way that she treats this man
09:01And I feel like Angela is definitely trying to do a little damage control because I do think she was under the impression
09:07She was gonna catch him doing all types of shit, right?
09:09I think that she was counting on that and that was gonna
09:13justify the way that she treated him all season and at this time and now that
09:18She can't even justify her actions she's scrambling like well now people are gonna hate me, you know, like well
09:25What can I do because now?
09:27People's always hated Angela. I mean because now they're seeing that she has been literally
09:33Treating Michael like a piece of crap since pretty much from day one
09:39my
09:42Absolutely broke when he said
09:44This is taking a toll on me mentally where is TLC support like I'm so disappointed in TLC
09:51They they haven't supported him through any of this. They need to be getting her off the damn screen
09:58Period they need to be done with her, but he is
10:02He's physically impacted his he's having he's having a lot of I mean, I'm sure now
10:10He's okay, but he's going through it. Where's his support? I
10:16Do know that
10:18There are mental health counselors available at the tell-all but that's not enough because mental health is not something that you can
10:27Address and and resolve in one or two days. It's a ongoing
10:33Support I call bullshit. I mean, I think that
10:39If they were doing anything about any of this situation
10:44we wouldn't we wouldn't be seeing that hag at all ever if
10:49They're doing anything about a lot of people online keep saying this they were like if this was role reversal gender reversal
10:56and there was a man that got all in a woman's face while she was standing over a
11:01Balcony the way that she did or chased him through the house and they said that they wouldn't have aired it
11:06They would have put a disclaimer at the beginning of the episode for abuse and they were like, why is it that we seem?
11:11to ignore
11:14Spousal abuse when it's up coming from a woman as though it doesn't exist and I feel like that's a hundred percent accurate
11:19We turn a blind eye
11:21To that because the way that everyone reacted to Ed and the way that he treated Liz they held him accountable
11:28Everyone took a shot at him, but nobody's taking a shot at Angela and it could be that they're scared of her
11:34Have you ever noticed whenever she would walk into a room at the mansion and somebody was trying to interact with Michael?
11:39They would run away. It could possibly be that there's just scared to
11:44Interact with her because did you see the way that they removed the pool stick and the balls from the pool table?
11:49They don't know how serious this is
11:52They don't know if it's gonna go from verbal to physical and literally the people in the house don't know
11:57So imagine what that's like for Michael and say there's no cameras around no strangers around
12:02They're just at her house and he pisses her off which like he said tonight whenever I open my mouth
12:07I miss her off. So just imagine what he's going through living in constant fear, right? Like that is really really scary
12:17Yeah
12:18It just makes me sick. I feel so bad for him
12:22I'm so happy that he's vindicated, but I I'm so disappointed in TLC
12:27I'm I'm I just hope that once this is done. We don't ever see her again
12:32it was
12:34We probably we probably will because I mean she's she brings the drama
12:40To TLC because the other ones don't want to have anything to do with TLC anymore
12:44So but drama is one thing like I understand drama and we we are all for drama, but I've never been one for
12:52abuse or
12:54Seeing people get hurt, you know, there's a line right like we do have to draw a line somewhere
12:59We know there is a line
13:00But TLC don't care as long as it brings views as long as people are into it TLC don't care
13:05We've done seen that how many episodes or how many seasons we've done watched where TLC just don't care
13:13It brings them views they don't care
13:19Tonight I think it might be the end
13:22Because she's got nothing
13:24Nobody is in support of this woman. She's bashing agree. Yeah, even Skylar isn't in support of her
13:31She's not what she has never Skyler's never supported this but even I love she's like
13:38Well, she's miserable and she's yelling and she's coming even she can't justify
13:43You know the way she's treating him and then after tonight seeing that they can't even prove that he's cheating or scamming and she just walked
13:50Away, she's like, well, I'm leaving. I don't even want to be here anymore. I'm done
13:53I don't want to be a part of this because she was actually I've never met anybody who wanted their relationship to fail as much
13:59As she did right like it was in her favor. So she was leaving
14:03Nobody was poor Angela. You've been through it all blah blah blah
14:07Everybody was on Michael's side rightfully so and she couldn't handle it. So she's just gonna leave
14:14It's kind of disrespectful too because she made all of the other cast members sit through her story
14:19And and watch it and then when it's time for them to discuss their story, they leave remember back in the day
14:25Memphis did that she she had something to say about every single person's relationship
14:30And then it was time for her and Humzah to do their segment and she left
14:35She refused to be a part of it because she didn't want that judgment
14:38And I think that might be the same issue
14:41With Angela after she realized that there was nothing going on and she couldn't justify her actions anymore in the way
14:48She treated him. She was like well
14:49I don't want all of this panel to sit here and judge me because she knew it was coming right?
14:54You know, it's coming. Nobody is okay with the way what you were treating him
14:57And now that you have no justification for it
14:59You're kind of gonna be held accountable for that and when she was like one when someone is on her side
15:05Ed says we get it girl. You've been you've really been through it blah blah blah. She's like, thank you
15:10Thank you, and then someone says but you did this
15:14It's none of your damn business and she's yelling at everyone who is on Michael's side if you don't side with her
15:22You're the enemy
15:24Well, he's still today. She attacks everybody. This is anything positive about Michael
15:30She attacked him. She does
15:35That is such a
15:37Tall order right Michaels got a hundred thousand plus followers on Instagram over a hundred thousand on tick-tock. It's a really tall
15:43Can you imagine declaring war on every single person that that takes?
15:48I don't want to say even takes Michael side just takes the side of what's right
15:52Yeah, right. Like I don't even want to make this a team Angela and team Michael thing because it's there's no such thing
15:57It's just the side of what's right
15:59If you don't want to be with a person and you don't love a person cut them loose
16:03Yeah
16:04You do not have
16:05the right
16:06to treat them the way that she treats him and to make his life a living hell just because you're like
16:11Oh, well, I brought him here, but I wish I shouldn't then like send them back or divorce him. Let him go
16:16You do not have the right just like if you adopt an animal, right?
16:21You adopt an animal and then the animal it turns to be too much work for you
16:25Right, you don't get to neglect the animal and give the animal no time. Don't walk the animal
16:31Don't feed him you take it to the shelter and find someone
16:35Who's going to give the dog or cat or whatever the attention it needs you don't get to just neglect it
16:40And this is this I feel like she she purchased a puppy
16:44Is this how she's treating me the situation and then she's like, well, I don't want to clean up after this puppy
16:48So now I'm just gonna kick the puppy around right? Like I feel like that is literally what we're watching and it's almost
16:54Sick that they aired it because I'm like at some point you have to decipher between entertainment and abuse
17:02Right, and we've been watching reality TV. Oh my gosh since the night early 90s, right?
17:07Early 90s is when we hit the real world, you know
17:10And the newer reality TVs and they had to decipher between what's fighting
17:14Violence abuse and entertainment and I feel like at this point the line is so obscured that these production companies are like, oh, yeah
17:22They're throwing drinks at each other. They're they're throwing things at the flipping tables
17:26Let's air that right and I feel like you're losing sight of
17:31Entertainment you can't glorify abuse
17:33You can't glorify violence in any in any level if it's an illegal activity outside of your show
17:39You shouldn't be airing it as I posted on my Instagram. He has been through hell and lived with the devil
17:46I have never been happy someone free
17:50He that's right. He deserves it. He deserves that. I mean he hands down. He deserves that green card
17:57He deserves it and even if he was scamming her
18:00He still deserves it because he's no went through hell and back
18:09I'm happy for him. And if he's finally and I'm good place and found peace
18:14I'm happy just like when but two people get married, right?
18:16You're taking a chance on each other and then it doesn't work out
18:19Then you get divorced and you wish each other the best and you both should move on and I feel like she is doing she's
18:26Like well, yeah, it didn't work out
18:27But I need to make sure that I ruin the rest of his life like he's never gonna have any happy days after me
18:32That's not how divorce works. Yeah, right like you just you have to and I know there's bitterness and there's um
18:38Holding grudges and being petty but she's taking it to a whole nother level
18:42Right, like she took away his cell phone
18:44She takes she she did so much to control him and if you didn't want him here sit him back, you know
18:51There's no reason why you should dedicate so much of your life to trying to destroy another person, right?
18:57like that is just
18:59But you know what what I always say the guilty dog always barks
19:04She has been using him
19:06she has been accusing him every single day every second of every minute of every hour of every day and
19:17The main I mean the real thing is she's the one that's been cheating on him
19:21And she's been doing it out in the open
19:24so
19:26So now since we all I mean we've seen it
19:29I mean there was her doctor that she was cheating on him with there was the guy in Canada
19:34There was like some more guys that she's cheating on him with so since she at the end of day
19:40She's the one that's guilty of everything and on top of that
19:43She's a narcissist and when when you're a narcissist and you get called out on being wrong about something
19:50What a narcissist do they explode they cannot handle the truth
19:55100% yes, I am
19:58So Oh
19:59Thais got some new boobs, right? Like, um, we found out that Thais's boobs were new
20:04I didn't notice Jasmine boobs looked very new at this tell-all but Thais
20:09She didn't go big cuz Patrick was like, you know, you should go Demi Moore striptease big she didn't go
20:20Did you I mean, I thought that they were very modest like Yara Yara is like big, right?
20:26I feel like Yara went a little bigger than Thais did right and
20:30Yara
20:31But Thais it was more or maybe the way she had her bathing suit on hers was more natural
20:37Yeah, yeah. Yeah, maybe that's what I'm trying to say. They I didn't if she didn't tell us they were not natural
20:44I wouldn't have known I thought they looked really like Jasmine couldn't convince me that those water balloons
20:49They just popped up that way right like the way that they are
20:53Nothing. No way know how anything on Jasmine's body is normal because whoever did her they jacked her up
21:01Well, she went to see Darcy and Stacy's doctor. They're just
21:06Well when she takes certain angles of pictures the way that her shoulders and it's just it looks disproportion
21:12You know, it's just but it's because the size is too big for her stature
21:16I think she looks great, you know, but if you want people to believe that they were natural
21:22That's that's gonna be a little difficult right? Like I feel like he's not gonna be easy
21:26Oh
21:26oh
21:27so
21:27Thais doesn't want to have another kid for five years and I want to get into something that she said because I
21:32Accidentally posted on X and I was like hey
21:35Do you guys think it's it's a good thing that Thais puts a lessee in?
21:38Daycare because you know Thais is a stay-at-home mom and man
21:42I got so many stay-at-home moms that attacked me and told me that I was a piece of crap for even bringing that up
21:47So what is what is the deal with stay-at-home moms in daycare? I know that being a homemaker is very difficult
21:55I know when Patrick is out of town a lot for work, you know running a household is not easy when you're a mom
21:59So do you guys think that the daycare is a good thing for the child?
22:04Cuz a lot of people told me that children need that separation from their parents. It's good for social skills
22:10so well, how do you guys feel about the
22:12Alessi going to daycare at such a young age. I
22:15Mean, I was never a stay-at-home mom. I worked I
22:19Went back to work on my son was three weeks old
22:22But I I think that daycare
22:26daycare it is important to socialize with other children and
22:31I think daycare is important for parents to be able to get out and stuff. There's nothing wrong with it either way some moms
22:38Choose to never put their kids in daycare
22:40That's that's each parent's choice in my opinion, I don't yeah
22:47I'm in agreement. I mean, I was never I've never been a stay-at-home mom neither
22:51But I mean if that's what because if you're only child if if she is the only child and she doesn't have no
22:59Interaction with no other children. How is she gonna be able to have any kind of social life?
23:05She's not even gonna know that there's a world outside of her little bubble
23:09But at the end of the day, I mean it depends on the mom
23:12Maybe um, maybe ties has got stuff going on that we don't know about that. She needs to put right at least in daycare, right?
23:21Yeah, I had to I had to do a damage control post on Twitter because I was like guys
23:25I am NOT like because they were like how dare you? Um,
23:29They said I was basically minimalizing a mother's role or her task and I was like, well that that definitely wasn't what I was trying
23:36To do I just know that I know preschool is very very important
23:40Like I've been told by a lot of moms like they need to put your child in preschool as soon as it's time for that
23:45Age for their development and you know, you start they start learning at an earlier age
23:50But I didn't know if like between ages one and three
23:53I was like what of what is that window and people's feeling on putting your child in daycare then I was just curious. I
24:00Mean, I like I said, I had to work so I didn't have a choice
24:05Yeah, if I had the choice I
24:08Probably still would I would still have that bit of separation?
24:13Because it's important to separate your child from the parent as hard as it is. It's important for them to have that
24:21Bonding with other children the social skills all of that that you know, they might not get otherwise
24:26My kids are six years apart
24:28So they weren't you know, I didn't have two littles to play at the same time
24:34I mean, I eventually did but it wasn't two littles to play at the same time
24:40See, I was the youngest and my sister was like five or six years older than me
24:46My brother was five years older than me
24:48so I actually was a mama's boy and I slept in the bed with my mom's I was 12 and
24:55She homeschooled me till I was third grade so I didn't have any good social interaction. So when I started school
25:02My social interaction was very very
25:06Minimal and you know, the teachers would like purposely put me with other kids to try to get me to come out of my shell
25:12So I do know it's so important, you know
25:15I know that my mom was trying to do the better thing for me. We didn't live in the best area
25:19So sending me to school wasn't the best option until she was able to put me in private school
25:24but I still think it would have been way better for me if I would have started school like everybody else in kindergarten instead of
25:30in third grade
25:31Even now though that that's such a that kind of brings up another point like
25:37the world's scaring
25:38It's a
25:40place
25:41So, I don't know I if I had little bitties now that I have a granddaughter
25:46I don't I don't know how I feel about it. I mean, she's a baby
25:50I don't know how I feel about it until we get there, but I would be terrified
25:56Nowadays to just hope that this person that I'm dropping my kids off with are good people that you know
26:03That's a good way
26:05Terrified this day and time I would
26:09So I want to talk about sharing locations because this came up again tonight
26:15Obviously, we know Gino and Jasmine they were sharing location then we found out tonight that John and Megan who are engaged
26:21We knew that but they just now caught up with regular life
26:25So they announced their engagement and he he omitted that he was in Miami, you know
26:30Florida is not in Miami or Miami is not in Florida. That's like a whole different entity, right?
26:35So Miami is known for beautiful people drinks clubs, you know partying so he's just like oh, I'm working in Florida
26:43He didn't specifically say we're in Florida. Obviously, she could see his location. So what do you think about?
26:49Married couples sharing location. I know we talked about this before but Sophie said that she was tracking
26:55Rob's location before she even got over here when she was still in London
26:59So, how do you guys feel about because I believe that trust is more important than anything in a relationship
27:06And I feel like if you need to track somebody's location
27:09You probably don't trust them and you probably shouldn't be married right like if I if I have to wonder where you are and then
27:16Go behind your back to figure out where you are
27:18Our marriage has way more issues and then we have addressed right? No, there ain't no way
27:27But I do track my best friend and she tracks me, okay
27:31Hey, see moonflower says it's okay to share a location as long as it's not because trust
27:36So that's like you and your best friend. It's not a trust issue
27:39You want to know where she is and she's okay and vice versa that that makes a lot of sense
27:44Because if say for instance Patrick he lived he works he travels all the time
27:49Wouldn't it make you feel better that you know that he's made it to his hotel safely or he's made
27:55Thing is one thing to share your location because they're traveling and it's another thing
28:01Because you making them share your locate their location because you don't trust them
28:06like when I'm
28:08My location is off. They don't nobody know where I'm at and you know, I'm saying but when I travel cuz you know
28:15You guys know that I travel to California a lot
28:19So when I'm out traveling, of course, I'll cut it on especially this day in time
28:23So people can know where I'm at, you know what I'm saying?
28:26but
28:27if I if if the person that I'm with if I have to
28:32Make them share their location or if they think they need to have my location
28:38We don't need to be together because if you if you don't trust me, then I don't need you. Yep
28:44Yeah, because I'm the kind of person if I'm gonna do something I will do it in your face and take pictures
28:52Just saying absolutely
28:55You don't need receipts cuz I'll bring them for you
28:58John
29:01And Thais even though they bonded on this trip to result
29:05They still don't get along and apparently John will go to their home Patrick and Thais his home and not even acknowledge Thais
29:12I mean he denies it but Thais says he does and normally women women tell the truth
29:17So he was like he will come to our house and not even acknowledge my presence and I was asking this question on on Twitter
29:23Is it
29:25John is John required to have a good relationship with Thais
29:28Is that a requirement when you're married to someone that you get along with their siblings?
29:32Or is that like an extra thing that is good to have like for instance Cara if your husband brother didn't like you
29:40Is it your husband's responsibility to repair that relationship? No, but it's my husband's responsibility to have my back. So
29:48Patrick needs to stand up for her and stop being quiet
29:51So basically
29:59Okay, so that's okay so Patrick being quiet is doing damage to their relationship right because she was literally crying and
30:08Patrick's just like oh, yeah, I see that and I'm like you cuz she's like
30:14But the reason why she was crying was stupid
30:22But as a husband even if it's stupid you're still supposed to have your wife's back, right
30:29Yeah, yeah
30:31Yeah, let's notice that she's crying. But I mean those were crocodile tears. So I mean
30:39Absolutely ridiculous
30:43It seemed like the most issue they have is her and John not getting along and we've she's always hated John, right?
30:51I remember the first time she met him. I remember the first time they interacted. She didn't want him
30:55She kicked him out of the house. Remember when they lived in Texas, she literally kicked him out of the house
31:00That was her doing so I'm not exactly sure why she thinks he's ever gonna be excited to see her
31:05Right, like she went out of her way to make sure that he couldn't live in the house
31:09That he had lived in for so many years. She just didn't want his presence around
31:12So when you do see the person that you made homeless, basically, you know, they're not gonna be like, oh my god
31:18How you been they're basically gonna look at you with a side eye and be like I don't like you and it's it's hard because
31:26relationships
31:28Siblings and families and in-laws. Those are not things that you can control how people feel about you
31:34You really can't control that and it's there
31:37It's difficult when you're put between two people that you love right like especially for a man
31:42If it's between like his brother Patrick doesn't have a lot of family left, right?
31:46His brother is basically it and then his wife the person that he loves more than anyone
31:50It's really difficult for you to choose between those two people. They're literally the only two people that you have, right?
32:00You're right, you're right you're 100% right whatever his dad wants or needs it's always
32:06No question of is it? Okay. Yeah, it's always whatever he needs and see
32:11I don't know if I fully blame Patrick for that because of the trauma that he went through as a child
32:18But I do think that
32:20Excuses are excuses, you know
32:22You have to learn to love people the correct way and when you make a vow and get married that person
32:27No decision should ever be made without that person. And I think a lot of people don't
32:32Remember that when you're married, it's not just about you anymore
32:35It's about you and that person you become one unit and I think a lot of times people are like well
32:40I'm still gonna look out for me and then they forget that other person. I think that's kind of where Patrick is
32:47Yeah, I don't know just watching him tonight. I
32:51kind of saw I
32:54Kind of realized that he's more selfish than I thought just listening to him. Okay, not only did he not notice his wife crying but
33:04He's talking about how he wants more kids
33:06Which I'm sure this is something that they've discussed their daughter's only a year old like
33:12You just wanted to just keep pumping them out like that's crazy. But then he makes the comment
33:18Yeah, I would be happy if we moved to Brazil because I feel like I would get a kid faster
33:24Since she said she needs her family close by but in his mind
33:29He's not only gonna get a kid faster, but he can be there to hold his dad's hand more
33:34He's he's very selfish in the way he moves
33:40I
33:41Didn't I used to think he was a good decent teddy bear, but you're right. He does
33:46He definitely looks out for his six first. He's like, oh, yeah, whatever
33:49I want, you know, and if I have to do this to get what I want
33:53I'll do that
33:53But he definitely you know asking a woman to have a lot of kids really fast is asking
33:59It's like asking her to climb Mount Everest
34:01Basically, it's like and then he's not gonna help and I don't want to say he's not there
34:05But when you work out of town and you travel constantly like with Jovi and Yara
34:09You're not gonna help like you'll be there every now and then but children need somebody there 24 7 365
34:15You don't just get to pick the days that you're gonna be there for your babies. You have to be there every single day
34:21but also
34:22She just got her boobs done
34:25Yeah
34:28The reason I had to get my boobs done was because of the first kid so I
34:34Think it's weird that she got the boobs because that in my mind that means that she's already decided
34:39She's not having any more kids cuz you know, that's those surgeries are not minimally invasive and they have a lot of recovery
34:46So for you to do that and then she's like, oh maybe in five years. I'll have another thing
34:50You have to get them done again. I think that she's already
34:53In five years, she's 32 so it won't be just as easy to have a kid. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yes difficult and
35:02She's done. She wants one and she's done. I
35:06Mean, I respect that women should be the ones to decide how many kids you have because they're the ones having them, right?
35:13Like I know like I have like five six seven kids cool
35:17The woman is the one who has to go through each labor
35:21Which is one having I remember watching the show where they put the men up to the machine to assimilate labor
35:27The men ripped the stuff off of them and got up
35:30Yeah, women don't have the option of ripping the cords off and getting up. They have to follow it through, right?
35:34So they should be the ones who decide how many kids like
35:39Like I've always said if a man could feel what it literally feels like to be in labor
35:46What it feels like to have your
35:50Hoo-ha ripped open or lay on a table and let them slash you open
35:55Oh, if you have a c-section like it's those machines
36:00They may hurt but it's not the real deal you put those machines
36:05you can put it up to a hundred percent you times that multiply that by a
36:09Thousand if 10,000 because we're in labor
36:13It feels like every bone in your body is being crushed at one time
36:19and then
36:21Have to be feeling it cut on your hoo-ha when they have to cut you down there
36:26Then you feel to be stitched up and then like the ones that have the c-sections
36:31I mean sometimes epidural don't even work. You still feeling them cut on you. Then you're being stapled
36:36You're being cut through seven layers of skin and then you're being stapled and you have to have stitches
36:42Come on
36:43No
36:44If a man could literally lay there and see exactly what it is what it feels like to have a have a baby
36:50He would think twice before he he would even ask a woman to have a child
37:00Which are horrific
37:03but
37:06Of child labor
37:08Yeah
37:12The machines is like a tickle compared to what true legit labor pains are
37:21Advantage that they're only involved in the fun part of making kids
37:25You know
37:25They take full advantage and then the kid comes out and looks like the man and the woman's like you serious
37:30Like after all I went through then the kid has the audacity to look like you like oh, so
37:35Sophie um said that they came to the the tell-all not together, but as friends
37:42But she reacted really strangely to that scene with the bottle service girl who wasn't there by the way, really weird
37:49I thought she was gonna be there
37:52Right. She's gotta show up right like
37:55Got not like them not to have a little messy bottle service girl because remember they they had the girl from Gino's
38:02Bachelor party she showed up right or on the screen. She was there in some capacity
38:07She got to be there, but Sophie was like hurt. I guess hurt that he was entertaining this girl
38:13He well, he said that he didn't get her information
38:16But then she said that she saw the girl on his Instagram, but Rob is a public figure you can
38:22Gather he got her information. I mean she could have started following him on Instagram. That's what he said
38:31Guess what I found him on Instagram and started all on him and I exactly I'd never
38:38If you did that probably what
38:43What really irritates me about Sophie is her level of hypocrite
38:48I guess hypocrisy where she left him like less than three months after that
38:53they got married and never moved back for almost a year and
38:56Moved in with a woman who is by she's bisexual the woman claimed
39:00She's not but we aren't
39:03We weren't born this morning. Yeah, right
39:05We know what's going on and she's irritated that he's entertaining other people when she won't pick up the phone
39:12She won't give him a chance. Have you noticed how many times Rob has asked her over the course of this season?
39:18Can she come back home so they can work things out and she's out? Oh, no
39:22I don't know cuz I was going back and I'm like has Sophie ever given him a clear answer of what the hell is going
39:28On in her head every time and even tonight with Sean Sean Robinson's asking her questions
39:33We've never gotten a clear answer out of Sophie at all because she was like, well, I don't want to be divorced
39:39But I also don't want to be married and I was like explain yourself. What does that mean?
39:44But you agree hardhead. She's got a place. She gets that green card and as far as K
39:51We already know that that day K is lesbian
39:54How many times did she say in the interviews that she was more man than Rob that she takes care of Sophie and
40:02in every way possible
40:05How many yeah
40:12She also said that she wished that Robin Sophie got divorced so she could marry you remember she said that in the one
40:21Now she's 100% straight
40:24Did you hear the part that she whispered under her breath?
40:29but it was written in subtitles when Rob said or Sean said do you want to save this marriage and
40:36Sophie hemmed and hawed and
40:39K sat there and goes just say no just yeah, that's ridiculous
40:45she
40:46For somebody that just wants to be there as a friend. She's too like in my opinion
40:52You would want your friend to be happy and in my opinion K just wants her friend to be single
40:58Yeah
40:58because
40:59There are times when I'm having conversations with my friends and they're like, oh he did this or she did that
41:04And my I don't always go straight to break up like sometimes I'll give them some constructive advice
41:10Like hey, well, maybe you shouldn't have yelled or maybe you shouldn't have done that
41:14Maybe y'all can get through this with K. It's get divorced break up. He's a piece of garbage
41:19You shouldn't be with him and it's like if you really were a true friend, you would want them to be happy and if Sophie
41:25Supposedly loves Rob and doesn't want to let him go
41:28Maybe you should be like you need to explore why your feelings are so strong that you won't just let him go
41:32Like maybe you should figure that out. But her friend is just like no, he's stupid. You should get divorced
41:36you should just live with me and
41:39That's not a true friend a friend wants you to be happy whether it's you know
41:43Doing what you want them to do or not
41:46Sometimes you have to let your friends do stupid things because you love them, right? Yep
41:50absolutely, she Sophie's so immature and
41:55When she gets talking and you can tell she starts getting worked up and starts crying
42:03Because she's wrong and everybody's coming at her cuz she's wrong
42:07But the second she starts shedding a tear everybody's like it's okay. Take a deep breath. We're here for you
42:14That's exactly what she's going for
42:17She's playing she's saying the victim when we all know she's not the victim
42:22That is so interesting that you said that because I was watching it tonight and I was like
42:27I'm trying to understand how she's the victim when she's the one that packed up her stuff and left and then she's like well
42:33He doesn't want to try I was like well
42:34You gave up when you packed up and moved out and refused to come back
42:38You gave up he did cuz she's like he just gave up on us and I was like he's still chasing you after all this
42:44Time that doesn't necessarily mean he gave up. It means you're not giving him an opportunity to fix anything
42:50Yeah, but she's like, oh well all the things that you've done and I was like, what did he do?
42:55And all she keeps saying is hey, Kobe. All she keeps saying is oh, well, he was jerking off to
43:01women on
43:02Texting and sexting or whatever and I was like, okay
43:05Wrong horrible shouldn't have done it, but if he's not doing it now
43:10Should you if you want to be with him?
43:12Can you forgive him and move back in and try you know?
43:15And this was the same thing that Michael was saying too. He was like, yeah, I sent voice notes to a woman two years ago
43:20She won't let it go and it's like again
43:22If you don't want to forgive someone you have to rid them from your life
43:26You don't have the option to string them along and punish them for the rest of their lives
43:31Forgiveness is not just for them
43:33It's for you because you're carrying hatred for that person along so you you're carrying hate in your heart
43:38So if she doesn't want to forgive him for what he did, she's got a divorce him and move on
43:42You know and I feel like a lot of times in relationships people are so hurt
43:47They don't want to give the person up and Jasmine does it too. They don't want to give the person up
43:51They want to keep them and punish them. Yeah, and it's like we are not higher powers. We're not gods
43:56We don't get to punish people for their mistakes. That's beyond our control
44:00Karma will find them you have to if you don't want to forgive them. Let him go
44:05Well, she can't divorce him until she gets her green card because we all know that's what she wants
44:11And then and she's the she can't play victim if she's not with him
44:16Which she does that every on on every show that we've seen with them. She plays victim
44:23I mean in the beginning
44:25I think all three of us was on her side until we got to see the real the real side
44:31her real side, but now we're seeing that
44:36It isn't it isn't um, it isn't him it's hard
44:43He's a good
44:45Manipulator and she she had us all under her spell the first season. I was like, oh Rob such a douchebag
44:51He's so mean to her. He treats her bad. He writes her chore lists
44:55I was like, he's such a bad guy and it's like that's some people are very good at making themselves the victim in every situation
45:01And I think Sophie is the queen of being the victim
45:04She can make people think that she did nothing wrong and the world is out out together and against her. Also
45:11Sorry, but it just reminded me. It's just like Ed and his stupid two-facedness
45:17So just like he was talking shit about Michael that night and then Michael walked up behind him
45:22then he's talking to Angela and he's all buddy-buddy with Angela again and
45:27Talking shit about Michael the second Angela walked off the stage Ed ran over there shook Michael's hand. Hey, buddy. How you doing?
45:35This guy him and Angela just need to go
45:39Let's just clean house and get rid of these fools. They can take Sophie. They can take Jasmine. They can take
45:46Ed they can take Angela get rid of them. Let's let's start a single life with all these extras
45:57So what's the deal with
46:00Okay, so Ashley said something. She was like if it's yellow, let it mellow
46:04What's the deal with people not flushing the toilet after they go? This is a huge
46:09Come up in my house and you don't flush the toilet you never allowed in my house again and
46:16No, that is
46:18Disgusting that is disgusting. You can use it. You can use the bathroom outside like a dog. You ain't using in my bathroom
46:28And they're like, oh it's late at night I don't care what time it is
46:32I don't ever want to come into the bathroom and find somebody else's
46:35Use of the toilet like it's it's a pet peeve of mine
46:38Like if I go anywhere and I see somebody didn't flush before me
46:42I'll literally go to a different bathroom, right? It just really only time. It's okay is if you're camping
46:49Well, you can't flush it when you can't be right that you there's nothing you can do about it
47:04I mean you wouldn't know George because you don't yeah, this is this is all news to me
47:09Whatever you're saying news me last time. I was in the woods
47:12I was on a road and there was just woods on each side and I was driving. No, that's
47:16my parents they always had
47:18It's almost like a child's porta potty if you will
47:22It's just a small thing and you go out on the boat. What you're not gonna dump it in the freaking ocean
47:28You're not gonna dump it in the water. That's disgusting. So you have to wait until you get to where there's gray water area
47:34That's the only time it's ever okay, or if you're camping you gotta wait until there's a dump site
47:40That's the only time it's okay
47:43It's it's just gross and they actually checked the toilet, but the seat was up
47:48So I'm assuming that Rob went after her, but I don't know
47:53It's like
47:59It's that because somebody said on Twitter because I was like why was why is that thing and a girl replied and she said if
48:05You have ADHD
48:07Sometimes you don't is that like a thing where people just forget to flush because I don't
48:13What is a
48:15Thing to do with flushing a toilet. I know a lot of people with ADHD and
48:20They flush the toilet just fine
48:22Absolutely. Well, yeah, like it's I don't know. It's just self-explanatory
48:26I'm never like I grow first of all, I was raised in a house with like my mom and my sister
48:32So if I ever did forget I was reminded by two pretty loud women
48:38Like so it was pretty instilled in me, you know flush the toilet every single time you go
48:44Nobody wants to find anything in there
48:46So for me, it's never been like anything that would cross my mind to not and even if it is late at night
48:53Like I don't know. Well the bathroom in my room. It's so far away from like the sleeping area
48:58Nobody would ever hear like it's way it's in it's behind different doors, you know
49:03So it's not that but I guess in like a more compact home where if the bathroom is right over next to the bed
49:08I guess if the person works at like 5 in the morning, you might not want to wake him up at 2
49:13I guess that could be an option. I don't know
49:15Well, I mean how loud is your freaking toilet if it's waking people up I think you yeah
49:22That's true
49:30DeeDee said doesn't have a muffler. Does it have a motorcycle engine like yeah
49:34I mean, I don't I don't know like it's not even that serious
49:37like I know when I'm like downstairs in my house if somebody's flushes one of the upstairs toilets you just hear like
49:42Water for like three seconds because it's like going, you know, it's like a pipe I guess
49:50Right
49:52Nobody. No, nobody's gonna wake up. I only hear it because I happen to be awake and it's probably standing near it
49:58Wherever the pipe is running. Oh, what's up, JJ?
50:00For how long did she have to pee in an outside toilet?
50:04Was she just was she just shitting in this toilet and leaving it for everyone else? That is a good
50:11Question you're yeah, that's a good question because this was shared didn't he say with like three or four other apartments, right?
50:17Yeah, so what you just literally leaving stuff out there for the other tenants to flush
50:27Well, I'd be living if I had to share a toilet with other units anyway
50:30But if I was having to pee outside like that and I went in and someone else didn't take care of their stuff
50:35I'd be knocking on doors. Oh, yeah
50:39I would yeah
50:40it would
50:42Rise on how many people said in the tell-all that they do not flush the toilet, right?
50:49I was surprised. Oh what me too?
50:55Yeah, I didn't realize that this was a thing that's why I was like I have to talk to y'all about this because I didn't
51:02know that
51:03people did this and it's like a pet peeve of mine like y'all know I have like pet peeves and like
51:08Walking into a bike if I go to a bathroom in public and it's not flushed. I'll just go to a different stuff
51:13Okay, like it's so I am gonna I'm gonna redact my statement there
51:18Because in my old house
51:21Probably I don't know 15 years ago or so
51:24If someone was in the shower and you flush the toilet it made the water cold
51:30so
51:31You did have to wait to flush and tell someone got out of the shower
51:35That happened to in the house where I grew up in you're 100% right I do I
51:40So that at that point, it's okay
51:43But as soon as my water goes off your ass better be flushing that toilet
51:47Yeah, I guess you're right. You're right because that does happen
51:51Depending on how I guess how old your house is the plumbing cuz you're right
51:54All the cold water will go there and then you'll burn that they'll be at the top and you're like cooking the person in the shower
52:01You're 100% right that happened in the house where I was growing up because I did it a couple times with my mom and my
52:06Sister and it wasn't a good experience. They basically
52:09Scalded me each time. They're like, what do you do? So yeah, you're 100% right
52:13but other than that, you know if you and
52:15The odds of you being in the bathroom and somebody in the shower at the same time are pretty low, right?
52:19I feel like that's okay
52:21It was just when I was watching it. I was just like this is a weird thing and she's like
52:26Oh Rob just gets mad. I'm like, I would totally get mad too though
52:29Right, like I have a cat and she goes to the bathroom and I don't ever have to see it until it's time to clean
52:35The box so it's like you're a human. So why is he having to come and clean up behind you?
52:40You know, like I get why he gets annoyed you're in a grown adult woman, you know
52:45He expects that you will be able to use the bathroom on your own that that's an expectation, right?
52:50And you don't live up to that expectation
52:53Absolutely
52:55Pineapple says I'm sorry. She sounds like a slob. She does. Yeah, she kind of does, you know
52:59And I think that it doesn't help that she's such a hypocrite
53:03And I think that that's what really irritates me about her because you know, she's young. She's 24 years old
53:08I can't hold her accountable for all of the things that she does because she's not even fully developed, right?
53:13Like she's she's still growing as a woman, right?
53:16Like 23 24 year old women. They still are developing their common knowledge and intelligence for life
53:27Right, right like she's she's still a teenager mentally
53:30So I don't even hold her accountable for a lot of the stuff she does because it wouldn't be fair to hold her
53:37At least you didn't have her a family dollar. We gonna know
53:40Was wearing her real hair tonight and it looked good right it did she looked great
53:46I like her much better with darker hair. She looked really good. I was happy that she figured out her her hair situation
53:54Unfortunately, the show will be streaming forever. So we will always see that that mop that dry mop on our system
54:02But she definitely looked a lot better
54:04And you know
54:07She's still Sophie though, right
54:10Moment to appreciate the fact that Claire has not been on and let's hope she doesn't come on. I hope so
54:17It's been nice. I
54:19I I hope that she doesn't come around
54:23I feel like she's such a grifter and I feel like at first I used to think that she was worried about Sophie
54:28I think she's just worried about herself
54:32Because I mean, let's be honest is Sophie in danger in any way being with Rob or
54:37Also, wasn't this tall filmed in February?
54:41Yes, that's around the time that he was posting those videos
54:47Right. Oh wait, isn't that when she got arrested? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so she may have been unable to attend there
54:54So yeah, it might it might not be that they didn't invite her. No, actually this was filmed in
54:59No, you're right February
55:02Yeah, so she might not have been able to attend even if she was invited. I'm happier with her not there
55:08You know
55:08I feel like she's been grifting around for a long time because I was like I'm trying to figure out they invited her here for
55:13The wedding and she's still
55:15Here like she's like no. No, I mean, this is a free country
55:19Everyone's allowed but it's just like really weird that she came here for their wedding and so far never left. Yes, right
55:25I
55:27See her on the next single life. Oh, you know, she would she would date whoever she needs to date to stay in the game
55:35Right. I feel like she
55:38Or big head
55:40I
55:40feel like her and big Ed would be pretty good because I feel like they would fight all the time and I feel like Ed
55:46Would get get back what he was giving cuz she's she's definitely not gonna take it
55:50A lot of people like to see Angela and Ed in a relationship
55:55I saw that that would be really see I want to say fun to watch but again, we shouldn't be watching abuse
56:02you know, it's gonna be abusive, but
56:05Is that wrong I probably would because
56:09He I feel like it would be like a karma episode where we just watch because he would try to go toe-to-toe
56:15She would go toe-to-toe and it would not end
56:17well, they would there was somebody will leave on a stretcher and I don't condone that but I
56:24Were Ed and Angela are both suffering. I'm there
56:29All the way. I'm a hundred percent ready for that. All right, so we're gonna wrap we got like, oh
56:35We only got a few minutes left. We're gonna hit our hour, but we're gonna come back tomorrow the other way
56:40We're finally meeting the new people tomorrow
56:44We're like five or six episodes in so I don't know if their relationship fizzled out or whatever early
56:48But we're gonna meet then at least one new couple. I think there's two though guys that we haven't met yet
56:53So we're gonna meet them tomorrow and we're gonna watch some more forbidden love. I haven't watched it
56:58It comes on tonight. That is on streaming though. They haven't taken that off
57:01So if you want to stream forbidden love, you don't need to like
57:04Discovery Plus all watch max, but I canceled the discovery. Oh, yeah
57:09Over a year ago
57:10But I think max is going to like if they they really want to keep playing with me. They can go to yeah
57:15They don't need my money. You don't deserve my money if you want to keep playing with me
57:19You're not gonna get my money. I'm not donating to your fund. Okay, I'm not donating to your fun, right?
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