Earlier this month, Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) questioned officials on FDIC workplace toxicity reports during a House Financial Services Committee hearing.
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00:00The gentleman from California, Mr. Sherman, is recognized for five minutes.
00:05Thank you.
00:08We've got a problem since the 1980s.
00:11The reports, I won't repeat, just because they've been stated so often, but
00:17they show a horrendous picture.
00:19And now we are close to, well, I can't say solving.
00:26But to making this agency as good as it can be,
00:31as far as its workplace culture.
00:34I wanna commend the law firm for its report.
00:38I wanna commend the Wall Street Journal for
00:41really forcing that report to be commissioned.
00:45And now we are so close, Greenberg is resigning.
00:50Biden is going to appoint a successor.
00:57And I wanna call upon the administration to appoint a successor as soon as possible.
01:04But I want the Republican members of this committee to take the opportunity
01:09to demand that the Senate not engage in dilatory tactics
01:14to prevent that successor from being confirmed.
01:17A prompt hearing, and then an up or down vote without any of the Senate tricks.
01:24Because I was one of those who asked for this hearing.
01:29But that was before Greenberg announced his retirement.
01:32The title of this hearing is about the toxic workplace culture at the FDIC.
01:39If the Senate unduly delays the confirmation, we need another hearing,
01:42Mr. Chairman, on the Senate's toxic culture of delay.
01:48Which would be preventing us from dealing with the toxic culture at the FDIC.
01:54Now, some have argued that somehow Signature Bank and
01:59First Republic are a result of Greenberg's temperament.
02:04Mr. Hugh, you were there.
02:06Did these banks fail because they had bad management?
02:10And they failed to account for interest rate risk?
02:13Or did they fail because of Greenberg's personality?
02:19Thank you for the question, Congressman.
02:21So the OCC does not regulate Silicon Valley Bank?
02:24Yes, I'm asking you in your role as a member of the FDIC.
02:30So the factors that led to the failures are well laid out
02:36in the reports that the FDIC has-
02:38Do any of those reports say it's Greenberg's personality?
02:44That's not mentioned.
02:45And has anyone, you're on the FDIC,
02:50has anyone at the FDIC identified for you,
02:55I was going to bring this First Republic issue up or Signature Bank up, but
03:00I failed to bring it up because I was worried about the chairman's personality.
03:03Has anybody stepped forward then and said the personality stopped them from taking action?
03:09No.
03:11The National Treasurer Employees Union represents the FDIC employees.
03:15I wonder whether Mr. Hsu and Mr. McKeon can commit to working with
03:23the NTEU as the FDC moves forward to improve its workforce culture.
03:29Mr. Hsu?
03:31Yes.
03:32Yes.
03:33Good.
03:34I would point out that there are 6,600 employees that deserve a good workplace culture.
03:47But there are 330 million Americans that deserve good bank regulation.
03:53And if we see a, if Mr.
04:00Grunberg resigns before his successor is confirmed,
04:05the FDIC could be split two to two.
04:09Mr. Hsu, if the FDIC was split two to two and we had another big crisis,
04:16Silicon Valley Bank Two, is it possible that the FDIC would split
04:21two to two as to what action to take if they only had four commissioners?
04:26It's hard to speculate about that.
04:29But there's a reason why you have an odd number of commissioners,
04:33correct? It's so that you're less likely to split two to two.
04:38I don't want to speculate about that.
04:40Okay. Well, I won't ask you to speculate, but last I checked, two plus two was four.
04:45If you have only four members, then it can divide two to two.
04:50I'd finally point out that Silicon Valley Bank also failed because interest rate risk
04:57was not built into sufficiently our bank examination process.
05:03And we need to mark to market all long-term instruments,
05:08debt instruments that banks hold, whether it is available for sale or held to maturity.
05:14And until we do that, we will see banks put too much of their money on Wall Street instruments.
05:19I yield back.