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00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]
00:03 I'm excited to do it, excited to talk about this film.
00:13 It's real special, man.
00:16 You're not always in a position to feel good, necessarily,
00:20 about everything that you got to talk about.
00:22 So it's nice when you feel like there
00:24 can be real passion behind it.
00:27 And that's the fuel that's driving you.
00:29 And after all, it's a blessing to be able to talk about a film.
00:33 So I'm glad.
00:35 Well, your director is one of my favorite people
00:41 in the industry.
00:42 I like to talk to him from time to time
00:44 just to get that B-12 shot of his incredible enthusiasm.
00:49 But I was fortunate enough to break the story about that he
00:53 was going to do this movie.
00:55 And when he told me that the only Black character in Jesus
00:59 Christ Superstar was Judas, I said to myself,
01:03 I'm such a moron.
01:05 I'm just a moron white guy.
01:07 Never would have occurred to me.
01:09 But that is something that would probably stick in your mind.
01:12 And I love the way he--
01:15 in the heart of a fall, this was a fun Western
01:19 and with Black actors.
01:22 And it was good for him.
01:24 And he was like, you know, these people were around
01:27 during the time of Jesus.
01:28 And I'm going to give them their due.
01:31 I mean, so let me ask you straight away,
01:34 what burned in you to play the two roles in the movie?
01:41 I, like you, can appreciate James's fervor
01:46 and his energy and passion.
01:49 You know, that's the first thing that drew me to him.
01:52 When we began discussions about the heart of the fall
01:55 quite some time ago.
01:57 And I realized that he wanted to reinstate
02:02 our presence and attendance in moments in history
02:06 where it appeared that people of darker hues, people
02:10 of African descent, Black people in America
02:12 were not present during those times because
02:15 of the concerted effort to exclude us from history
02:19 and exclude us from these kinds of stories.
02:21 So, you know, that was a good opportunity
02:23 to show the reality, really.
02:26 And I thought that it was good to have more stories that
02:31 showed different perspectives about moments in time
02:34 in history who maybe weren't the people that necessarily won
02:37 the wars.
02:38 And those ones that tell the stories
02:40 are the ones that win the war.
02:41 So they tell it how they want to tell it, you know.
02:43 And, you know, I think that now we're
02:45 in a kind of a unique time where more and more people can kind
02:49 of tell from their perspective how they see things
02:52 and from a more just sort of accurate lens as to how
02:55 things might have looked.
02:58 So when it brings me to the book of Clarence,
03:01 this story is a continuation on that theme of, you know,
03:05 sort of showing a perspective that,
03:08 for all intents and purposes, is closer
03:11 to the account of the Bible, which
03:13 describes what Jesus looked like.
03:16 And so the people that were surrounding him
03:18 perhaps looked this way.
03:21 I mean, so far, we've had so many renditions
03:23 of how people perhaps looked, including how Jesus perhaps
03:26 looked, and famous versions of that.
03:28 So we thought we'd take a stab at a perspective that
03:32 was a little bit different.
03:34 And I thought that was a good opportunity
03:37 to continue that conversation, but to also surround
03:40 a story that, at the heart of it,
03:42 is really not about anything religious.
03:45 It's really more so about a character, a character
03:48 study of a man who's going from a space of faithlessness
03:53 and hopelessness with maybe a little bit of ambition,
03:57 who moves into a place of extreme success and/or wealth
04:03 that then has him take a look at the world
04:05 and broadens his horizon, broadens his perspective,
04:08 humbles him, brings him to the point of understanding
04:11 that there's more to it than just my own ambition,
04:14 and that if I could step outside myself and lead credence
04:18 to a faith or an idea or a belief that's
04:21 outside of what's readily available to me,
04:23 then I might be able to enrich my experience here,
04:26 and therefore, my friends, my family, the people around me.
04:29 Put others before me.
04:31 Put other things before my own selfish ambitions,
04:35 and see what gifts life has to offer as a result.
04:38 And I think that that's a beautiful message,
04:40 and that's something that I identify with,
04:43 and that I wanted to play a character who could hopefully
04:45 have people see in him that part of them, where they can
04:49 expand, they can expand out, be better, do a little bit better.
04:53 And also for those who have questions about their belief,
04:57 knowing that there's a central theme in the movie where we say
05:01 knowledge is stronger than belief.
05:02 And I think that's a powerful thing to think about.
05:05 A knowing of who you are, what your destiny is,
05:08 how that destiny is to be manifest
05:11 is a very powerful thing.
05:12 Coming to that knowing maybe takes
05:15 a little bit of crest and trough and trial and tribulation
05:18 and triumph in order to get there.
05:20 But once you finally arrive there, if you can arrive there,
05:23 if you can feel like you have a clearer understanding of how
05:27 you are to operate in the world, I
05:28 think that's a beautiful thing to aim toward.
05:30 And so that's what I wanted to leave audiences with,
05:32 hopefully, with this film, is a sense of inspiration.
05:35 We're not trying to tell people, obviously, what to believe,
05:38 how to believe.
05:40 And that's not even the center of the movie.
05:43 We really just want people to go on this journey
05:45 and hopefully leave the movie feeling inspired,
05:47 if not by anything else, their own preconceived notion
05:50 that perhaps this was going to play out a certain way.
05:53 I think people will be pleasantly surprised when
05:55 they watch this movie to realize that it's--
05:58 I mean, honestly, I'll just say the trailers
06:00 don't do it any justice.
06:01 It's a big, massive movie that has a lot of things in it
06:05 that you're not going to see just from the tiny trailer.
06:08 And I think any movie worth its salt,
06:10 hopefully, the trailer doesn't do that,
06:12 doesn't spoil the entire thing, doesn't show the entire thing.
06:15 It's just a little blip to get your attention.
06:17 So sorry that was a long-winded answer, but yeah.
06:21 No, it's a good answer.
06:24 But what I appreciate about it is, I mean, it's a--
06:28 this is set in, what, 300 AD, right?
06:32 33 AD, yeah.
06:33 Or-- yeah, well, 33--
06:35 right.
06:36 And, you know, and even now, we all look at religion--
06:42 it's sort of like a polarizing thing.
06:47 But to me, I mean, I grew up Catholic,
06:50 and I found my way back to the church.
06:53 And to me, it's not about these institutions that sometimes,
06:57 you know, like your character, start out with their hands out.
07:00 And it's a way to raise money and stuff like that.
07:04 But really, what it should be about
07:06 is triggering your conscience in a good way,
07:10 and just getting you to think, as you say,
07:15 outside of your own kind of selfish pursuit and goals.
07:20 And so it's remarkable that the message is as timely as it is,
07:27 you know, especially with all the stuff going on
07:29 in the world right now.
07:30 I mean, it's a rough time for organized religions
07:34 of any stripe.
07:35 Yeah, absolutely.
07:37 It's so interesting that it happened to just line up
07:39 with certain things that we're experiencing now,
07:43 because that couldn't have been premeditated.
07:46 And it's just interesting that art tends to mirror
07:48 what we are experiencing.
07:50 There's sort of this, like, divine aspect to it,
07:53 I find, where, you know, there are
07:54 things that seem to be predicted and mirrored in the art.
07:58 Because I think when you are paying attention
08:00 and have your antennas and ears to the wind,
08:02 you pick up on the energy of the zeitgeist.
08:04 And that kind of ends up it being in the art
08:07 in one way or another.
08:09 So whether we wanted to control it or not,
08:11 it happened to just be what the time was.
08:13 And actually, the crazy thing is, really, not much changes.
08:17 We kind of-- you know, a lot of things change,
08:19 but we kind of tend to stay on the same kind of course
08:22 as humans.
08:23 It's like the same kind of revolution
08:25 happening all the time.
08:27 And it's up for us to just pick up on the signs
08:29 in order to prevent some of the things that
08:31 have happened in the past, just like with our behaviors.
08:34 In order to change the behavior, you
08:35 got to recognize that there was something wrong
08:38 and then implement different things
08:39 to try and do and be better.
08:41 That's what Clarence does.
08:42 And that's what I love about the character.
08:45 And that's the kind of message that I want to get out
08:47 to people is, you know, we can do and be better collectively,
08:53 but it's going to take some internal investigation and work.
08:57 And hopefully, we are able to make those changes
09:00 before we get crucified.
09:02 We do it before we get to the point where it's too late.
09:05 And you know, with God, walking with God, the universe,
09:09 whatever you want to call it, whatever
09:11 thing hooks all those things up for you, there is redemption.
09:15 And there is a chance to be born again.
09:18 And I think that that's a beautiful message.
09:20 So I definitely want to push that out.
09:22 And also, the movie's funny.
09:24 It's lighthearted.
09:25 You know, it's a good time.
09:27 There's action.
09:28 There's all kind of things going on.
09:29 It's not something you're going to sit through and, oh, my god,
09:32 I have to learn all these hard lessons.
09:34 And it's just so dreary.
09:36 And you walk out feeling-- no, it's not that at all.
09:38 It's action-packed from sequence one all the way into the end.
09:41 And there are moments that bring you into these more,
09:44 you know, emotional moments.
09:46 But then right in the next moment,
09:47 you'll be brought right back into the action.
09:49 And there's a lot of, you know, sort of energy,
09:53 dynamic energy in the film.
09:54 And I want people to realize that, too,
09:56 that this isn't a sleeper.
09:57 You're going to walk out of it feeling something.
09:59 You're going to walk out of it hopefully feeling how I felt,
10:02 which was inspired.
10:04 And like, I honestly have been doing a lot of press.
10:06 But I don't even want to sell the movie anymore.
10:08 My thing is just like, go watch it
10:10 and let it speak for itself.
10:11 Now, watch it in the theater because the way that it is,
10:15 it's best seen in the theater.
10:16 You know, there's certain movies where, you know,
10:18 you don't want to just sit at an iPad or sit on your phone.
10:21 You want to go out to the theater, see it with people,
10:23 get that energy.
10:24 James' infectious energy will resonate
10:27 throughout the theater.
10:29 You need to have that.
10:30 And you need to have a big screen and loud sound
10:33 because the sound design on this thing is great.
10:34 So you want to be in that kind of environment
10:36 and immerse yourself into it.
10:40 Yeah, and have that kind of experience with other people.
10:45 Yeah, that's pretty good.
10:47 So now, what we usually devote this to
10:50 is sort of formative influences.
10:52 So I love what you said about the film.
10:55 But I want to take you back to, you know,
10:58 to the things that sparked your path.
11:02 So let me give you this one.
11:05 What film or series lit your fuse as a young person
11:10 and made you have to tell stories on screen?
11:13 Hmm.
11:14 I would say...
11:19 I think I would say The Lion King.
11:27 On Disney's The Lion King.
11:28 I think it came out in '96 or something like that.
11:32 That really...
11:34 I was so young, and it was something that I felt like
11:37 was a metaphor for my family and my family life.
11:41 And I felt like really just connected to the material.
11:44 It was fun. It was a musical.
11:47 It dealt with some harsher themes,
11:49 but there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
11:52 There was this chance for redemption and salvation
11:56 through Simba, the main character.
11:59 I felt like that could be something that I could achieve.
12:01 When I was a little cub, thinking about when I was a lion,
12:04 how my family, I would do it differently.
12:06 And I would, you know, make sure that everyone knew
12:09 that I loved them and that I was there
12:11 and that I was present and that I wanted to expand the family
12:14 and see everyone be enriched and thrive in their lives.
12:17 And I really hoped for the opportunity to be able to do that.
12:21 But also I hoped for the opportunity to be a light,
12:24 a performer, to be on the stage, to express.
12:29 And this film really gave me a sense
12:31 that one day I could be king.
12:33 And so I've become a king in my own life.
12:38 I'm not a king of anybody else,
12:40 but I'm a king in my own heart and a part of my family.
12:44 And all of my family are kings and queens.
12:47 And I feel like I was able to manifest that.
12:49 It takes maintenance, but I was able to manifest it.
12:52 And so I'm thankful for that movie
12:54 for being the sort of starting block of inspiration for me
12:57 when I was real young.
12:58 And I have to shout out Disney for that.
13:00 You know, a lot of people talk about how, you know,
13:03 Disney Now is doing this, you know, whatever.
13:05 But for me, Disney was, you know, when I was young,
13:09 it was an inspiration and created this inspiring place
13:12 for me.
13:13 And I'm grateful for that.
13:15 - Yeah, it's funny you say that.
13:17 I'm older than you.
13:19 I'm gonna be 64 this year.
13:22 And my, those, all those movies,
13:27 that was the soundtrack of my relationship,
13:30 especially with my daughter now, who's made me a grandpa.
13:34 But I agree with you.
13:36 I just think those 2D movies, boy, they were just,
13:41 it taught my daughter how to talk, really,
13:44 and sing and be, and just love the arts and musicals.
13:49 And, you know, and these underdog stories were relatable
13:52 and sometimes pretty dark too in tone.
13:55 Like "The Lion King," I've got a grandson who's like two
13:59 and he doesn't like to watch it yet
14:01 because it's too upsetting, that one scene.
14:05 But I think you're right.
14:06 I think people, you know, now we're in that knee-jerk thing
14:10 where we say Disney bad or Disney this or that,
14:15 and we don't really break it down.
14:17 You know, it's one of the most special times in my life
14:23 as a father, I'll tell you.
14:24 And I'm sure you go through that now yourself with,
14:30 I mean, what movies you watch with your little ones?
14:33 - Yeah, so I took my kids to see "The New Lion King."
14:37 At first I was kinda like, I was kinda against it
14:40 because you become precious over your originals
14:43 and you're like, I don't wanna see anybody
14:45 make a new version of this, this is gonna be bad.
14:48 But I took my kids and I was the one that was crying
14:52 because of the nostalgia and, you know,
14:55 just all the memories.
14:57 And you think of how far you've come in life
14:59 and all the things that you've experienced
15:01 and done and survived and been through
15:04 and now here you are with your kids
15:06 when you used to watch this thing.
15:08 And now you got your kids here
15:10 and they're able to enjoy it.
15:11 And it was just a really beautiful moment.
15:13 I think it was more moving for me than anything.
15:16 I think they were kinda like, what is he,
15:18 why are you crying?
15:18 I'm like, I'm not crying, it's just onions.
15:20 Someone's cutting up some onions here.
15:22 But it was really special and I really, really enjoyed it.
15:28 And I hope to be able to make things
15:31 that are memories like that for people's family.
15:34 That's why I did Haunted Mansion.
15:35 You know, I wanna do things that families
15:37 and kids can enjoy and they can enjoy that together
15:40 and hopefully be a part of some great memory.
15:43 Remember when we went to see that movie
15:45 and, you know, it was great 'cause we got to
15:48 huddle in close together at the scary part
15:50 or we got to talk about it after,
15:51 how funny or smart or entertaining or silly it was.
15:55 And so, you know, it's a gift of communion
15:58 to be able to tell stories and I really love 'em
16:01 and they've been a real landmark in my life.
16:05 You know, I came up with the VHS, you know,
16:07 for the kids now that's like, you know,
16:09 old ancient stuff and I'm sure you even know
16:12 of things that are even older than that.
16:13 But like, I had the VHS, a collection of VHSs
16:17 in my family's living room and I was just
16:19 always sitting there, grabbing new ones,
16:21 putting 'em in, recycling the old ones
16:24 and it was just like, this nice sense of like,
16:26 tactile, you know, the communion with your media.
16:31 And, you know, it was just a beautiful time
16:34 and so now I'm trying to figure out ways
16:36 to do that with my kids, give 'em a tactile experience,
16:39 you know, as much as I can, try to, you know,
16:42 let's go to the theater instead of use the pad.
16:44 We can use the pad, but let's go to the theater too,
16:46 you know what I mean, so, yeah.
16:48 - Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, what you said
16:50 about Lion King, I felt the same way
16:53 when I saw the live action Little Mermaid
16:55 and I thought, this is gonna clean up.
16:57 This young woman who plays the mermaid,
17:01 every time she opens her mouth,
17:02 the hairs on the back of your neck
17:04 are standing straight up and,
17:07 but I think in this day and age,
17:10 they're evaluated differently, but I felt exactly
17:13 the same way that you felt because that movie,
17:16 even more so than the Lion King,
17:18 was such a formative influence on my kids
17:21 when they were small and we watched it,
17:24 what do you watch these movies, 500 times, you know?
17:28 Okay, so now, as you were making your way as an actor,
17:32 what movie or series, and I would imagine
17:36 it probably came down to a great performance,
17:39 but what did you watch that was so good
17:42 it made you say, man, can I really do this?
17:44 Can I play in this sandbox?
17:46 Do I belong here?
17:54 - I don't think that I watched anything
17:55 that made me say that, but I think I did watch something
18:00 that made me wonder how much I could stretch myself,
18:06 which was Planting the Apes.
18:08 It was interesting because I saw some of the,
18:12 you know, there's like this famous
18:13 behind the scenes footage of the actors
18:16 and they're like in this little, you know, this thing,
18:18 and they're like got all these little dots on them
18:20 and they're playing, I was like, wow,
18:21 that's like acting with your entire body
18:24 and it's like a whole different kind of muscle, you know?
18:26 I was like, I wonder if I can do that,
18:28 get into a character and then just really take on
18:30 all of the different characteristics
18:32 and maintain that throughout a film,
18:35 and I thought that was a really cool challenge.
18:37 And that was one time where, you know,
18:38 that was before I started really acting
18:40 and I was like, that's the first role I wanna do.
18:42 I wanna do something where I get to like
18:44 embody a whole different creature, a whole nother animal,
18:47 which I still wanna do things like that.
18:48 I haven't quite got that opportunity yet,
18:50 save maybe "Sorry to Bother You"
18:52 was the closest thing that I got to do that.
18:54 But yeah, doing a lot of like body acting,
18:58 acting as like total different beings,
19:01 that was something that was really inspiring
19:02 and made me wanna be like, I really wanna try to do that.
19:07 In terms of like technical acting
19:10 that really appealed to me,
19:12 I think one of the first things that I saw
19:14 that challenged me and I was like,
19:16 I wonder if I can do that,
19:17 was "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner."
19:19 Sidney Poitier's role that he had there,
19:22 I was like, wow, man, he's so authentic.
19:24 And he's so authentic in a space where
19:27 it's not easy to stand out because there's sort of a,
19:30 it's just a different zeitgeist and a different energy.
19:33 And so people kind of were acting like, you know,
19:35 it was kind of the meta-terranean kind of thing like this,
19:37 but that was kind of the vibe, you know?
19:38 So if you went outside that vibe,
19:40 you're kind of doing something that's different
19:41 than what everybody else is doing.
19:43 And so to tap into a different echelon at that time,
19:46 the equivalent to that now would be what?
19:48 And that's what I was interested in.
19:50 How do we go to the next level?
19:51 How do we take it just a little bit further?
19:54 So yeah, I love that.
19:55 - Yeah, it's interesting in that movie, in Sidney Poitier,
20:01 all he had to do was be there.
20:04 And it was like, I don't even have to say anything
20:07 to justify who I am or why I'm here with your daughter,
20:12 even though this is a surprise for you.
20:14 Now, maybe it was the success of something you did
20:18 or approval from someone whose opinion
20:20 really mattered to you.
20:22 What first gave you the confidence that in fact,
20:25 you should be doing this and you do belong?
20:28 - You know, I had the great fortune and misfortune
20:37 of being delusional.
20:40 I was delusional.
20:41 I thought that I belonged and I thought that I needed to,
20:46 I thought that if I had the opportunity to show people
20:48 what I could do, then I would go to the top.
20:52 I just had that thought early on.
20:54 Like, you know, I was like just ready for the opportunity.
20:56 I get the opportunity, I'm gonna show some,
20:59 you know what I mean?
21:00 And that kind of like blind ambition led me
21:03 to the opportunity to be able to act.
21:05 But also I think it kind of slowed my growth a little bit
21:09 during my growth process,
21:11 because I didn't think I had anything to learn.
21:13 And boy, was I wrong.
21:15 I had so much to learn.
21:16 I had so much to learn.
21:18 And it took some like hard hits against the wall
21:22 for me to realize how much I had to learn.
21:24 And had I maybe had an approach
21:27 that was a little less delusional,
21:29 I probably would have learned those lessons easier.
21:33 And so, yeah, it's been, I think,
21:37 I think something that really taught,
21:41 you know, I worked with Shuatel Ejiofor
21:43 on this movie called "Come Sunday."
21:46 And that was the first time I got a glimpse
21:48 in another actor's script.
21:50 He was just talking about something,
21:51 and he had this like book,
21:52 and then he was kind of like near me,
21:54 and I looked at it.
21:55 He had all these like markings all over it.
21:57 It looked like a math equation,
21:58 like this crazy mad scientist writing all these things.
22:01 And so I said, "Man, why you got all that on there?"
22:04 And then he shows me like, you know,
22:05 this is how I break down a character.
22:07 This is how I approach it.
22:08 I do this, this, that.
22:09 I say, "Damn, really?"
22:11 I just like kind of just think about it,
22:13 and then just do what I,
22:14 he's like, "No, no, no.
22:15 "You do this, this, this."
22:16 And there's this technical academic way to approach it
22:19 that I had no idea about.
22:20 And so it really opened up my mind.
22:22 I was like, "There are other ways to approach this."
22:24 You know, I give 30 takes.
22:26 None of them are the same.
22:27 He does 30 takes.
22:28 They're all the exact same way, you know,
22:30 but they're all tens.
22:32 I do 30 takes.
22:33 You got a three here, a two here, a nine here.
22:36 You know what I mean?
22:36 So I realized that there,
22:38 for me to have consistency, I need the discipline.
22:41 So when you put the discipline with the approach,
22:44 then now you have something that's really valuable.
22:46 And I was like, "Damn, man,
22:47 "that was something I really,
22:48 "I learned from him that he didn't even maybe know
22:50 "that he was directly teaching me."
22:52 But because I was able to, you know,
22:54 be next to him and, you know,
22:55 be next to somebody that does it at such a high level,
22:58 I was able to learn that.
22:59 And I've been taking that with me every since.
23:01 Now my scripts look like that, you know,
23:03 like always breaking things down
23:05 and trying to figure out how to approach it
23:07 and drive most of it.
23:08 And it's been helpful.
23:09 I look back at the scripts and I'm like,
23:11 "Wow, you know, there's so much more
23:12 "than just what's on the paper."
23:15 So yeah, that's been, that was a moment for sure.
23:17 - So now, so all right, so my last one for you.
23:22 So what would you say was the biggest obstacle
23:24 that you had to overcome to allow you
23:27 to turn the projects and actors
23:31 that influenced you into your own language?
23:34 You sort of just touched on it.
23:35 - Yeah, myself was the biggest obstacle.
23:38 Has always been the biggest obstacle in my life.
23:41 Unearthing some of the traumas, the past things,
23:46 the hard things and dealing with them head on
23:50 and trying to figure out ways to therapize through them.
23:52 There's nothing or no one that's ever been a harder
23:55 for, fall for me than my own self.
23:57 And especially when I couldn't see it.
23:59 When I couldn't see that I had so much to learn
24:01 when there were things that I needed to address in myself.
24:04 It's hard to address a problem that you don't know is there.
24:07 So it took things like therapy, help from others.
24:11 People being honest with me, sitting me down
24:13 and being like, look man, there's these things
24:15 that you gotta address in yourself
24:17 to bring it to the next level if you really wanna.
24:20 See, in this game, it's your humanity.
24:24 It's your life.
24:25 It's your experience.
24:27 It's how you process that experience
24:29 that gives you the tools necessary to approach characters.
24:32 It's really just all about living life.
24:34 It's like, how do you recharge?
24:35 Well, you go out and you live
24:36 and you try to live an honest life
24:38 and you try to derive truth in your life.
24:40 If you're living a life full of fakeness
24:43 and full of surface level stuff,
24:44 that's gonna be your performance.
24:46 You can only get as real as the life you're living.
24:48 So for me, it's just all about being,
24:51 learning more and more how to excavate the truth
24:54 in your experience and what you were intended to learn.
24:57 And so that's what it's been about.
24:59 And the hardest part was being like,
25:01 this is a lesson you need to learn
25:03 and you need to face it right now.
25:05 No, no, there's some other reason.
25:06 No, no, no, right now, sit down.
25:08 Ah, you know, I can do that tomorrow.
25:10 No, right now, do the responsible thing
25:13 and learn this lesson so that your tool may be useful
25:17 to you and the world.
25:18 So that was the biggest thing.
25:20 - Yeah, I love that because the truth is,
25:24 you know, you can, sometimes people excel at things
25:27 because they're in denial about what's happened
25:30 in their own lives.
25:31 They don't wanna face trauma
25:32 and you have taken your own experiences
25:36 and turned them into tools in your box
25:40 as you figure out how to prepare for character.
25:42 I mean, that's just inspired, elevated art
25:46 you get out of that, if you're willing to do that,
25:48 but it must be painful.
25:49 - Yeah, sometimes it's painful.
25:50 Sometimes it's full of joy.
25:52 Sometimes the things that are on earth
25:54 start surprising to you and you feel things
25:55 you didn't even know you could feel, you know?
25:59 But the thing is to try to,
26:02 even though you might be afraid
26:03 of what will come out of that,
26:05 try to move anyway,
26:07 because moving anyway is the important thing.
26:10 It's never easy to know,
26:12 and when you don't know, sometimes it's scary.
26:14 And sometimes it ends up being a nightmare
26:16 like you thought it was gonna be.
26:17 Or sometimes it's a worse nightmare
26:18 than what you thought it could have been.
26:20 But the important thing is you made the step forward
26:23 'cause anything that you, that you survive,
26:25 you can get through.
26:26 So it's hard.
26:28 You'll get through it though,
26:29 but you won't get through it if you don't go through it.
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