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Dave and Graham discuss the Golden Globe Awards.
Also lots of film reviews to keep you going through January
Golden Globes, best fim, best actor, best actress
Film Reviews:
The Boys in the Boat
The Beekeeper
Ferrari
Next Goal Wins
Godzilla Minus One
The Boy and the Heron
Dave and Graham discuss the Golden Globe Awards.
Also lots of film reviews to keep you going through January
Golden Globes, best fim, best actor, best actress
Film Reviews:
The Boys in the Boat
The Beekeeper
Ferrari
Next Goal Wins
Godzilla Minus One
The Boy and the Heron
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00:00 (upbeat music)
00:02 - Hello, and welcome back to the very first episode
00:10 of the 2024, I was gonna say season, I mean year,
00:13 what are we called again?
00:15 Not Everyone's a Film Critic.
00:16 - Welcome to season three of Not Everyone's a Film Critic.
00:20 I think this is season three, is that right?
00:22 One for a year or two for a year?
00:23 - No, we're season three, I think, yeah.
00:26 - It's the third year of this nonsense, it's marvelous.
00:29 - I feel like we're turning into maybe the OC,
00:33 where season three is really where we're gonna peak.
00:36 - Yeah, just as long as we don't go down the lost route,
00:38 that kind of got properly lost.
00:39 Well, that'd be next year, season four is the worst,
00:41 so we've got one more good season in us, maybe.
00:44 - I don't think we have Buffy levels
00:46 of seven seasons in us, I've gotta be honest.
00:48 - 100% not, we could do a spin-off,
00:49 a kind of angel spin-off, I don't know how we do that,
00:52 but yeah, I think we're okay still.
00:54 Season three is usually all right.
00:55 - The benefit that Angel had, though, to do a spin-off
00:58 is he was really sexy.
01:01 - He was sexy, well, they were both quite sexy.
01:03 - I know, but there's levels.
01:06 - I know, I know.
01:06 - Like, six out of 10s do not get TV spin-offs.
01:10 (laughing)
01:12 We've seen how it happened with Joey, didn't work.
01:15 But, oh, that's harsh, that's harsh, sorry,
01:17 I take it back, I take it back, I take it back, man,
01:19 I take it back.
01:20 Yeah, films, films are great,
01:22 and it's award season, which we kind of like, which is fab.
01:28 I've seen "Naut" at the cinema.
01:30 Actually, I can't lie, I have seen "Wonka,"
01:32 but we discussed it on the last final episode,
01:34 I think, of 2023.
01:36 I'm going to see "Poor Things" tonight
01:38 because I'm excited about it, I really like,
01:41 I'm not gonna try and pronounce the--
01:44 - Yorgos Lanthimos.
01:46 - Exactly, the man from Greece's films,
01:49 I loved "Killing of a Sacred Deer."
01:50 If you have seen, one thing I will recommend,
01:54 if you've seen "Poor Things" already and liked it,
01:55 but you haven't seen "Killing of a Sacred Deer,"
01:57 your favorite, just do.
02:00 - All the films are great, he's never made a bad film.
02:04 - Yeah, I agree with that.
02:05 Yeah, "Lobster" is fantastic as well.
02:07 "Now We Look Like You Da," which is very, very good.
02:11 But instead of going through reviews,
02:13 'cause you've seen loads, Dave,
02:14 and I've seen "Naut" really, and I don't want to--
02:16 - Yeah, I give you a wee flavor of what's coming out, though.
02:18 I can recommend you some films anyway.
02:20 I mean, we certainly won't talk about "Poor Things."
02:22 We'll talk about "Poor Things" next week, but it's great.
02:24 It's fantastic, you're gonna love it, hopefully.
02:26 And it's fabulous, but let's not talk about it.
02:27 'Cause I don't want to spoil it for you.
02:28 Going into "Poor Things," it's really, really good,
02:30 but the least you know about it,
02:32 the less you know about it, rather, the better, really,
02:34 which is kind of the case for most films,
02:36 but even more so for "Poor Things,"
02:37 'cause there's lots of interesting stuff going on there,
02:39 which we'll talk about in a kind of
02:41 spoilery special next week.
02:42 But it's been a really good week
02:44 for preview screenings in Cineworld.
02:46 Other cinema chains are available,
02:47 but both of us have got unlimited cards,
02:49 so they do preview screenings.
02:51 - Cineworld is listening, by the way,
02:55 'cause I can come and-- - I know,
02:56 they'll give us a free Cinecard.
02:57 - Yeah, I get 25% off my food.
03:00 And I'd really like just free VIP screenings.
03:04 - Well, you never know, we can keep on mentioning them.
03:07 But yeah, there's three brilliant,
03:09 brilliant, very different films.
03:11 There's "The Boys in the Boat,"
03:12 which is George Clooney's new film,
03:14 which is a really kind of well-made film.
03:18 I mean, it isn't really doing anything new.
03:20 It's an underdog story about a group
03:22 of working-class American rowers
03:23 who take on the tops as obviously
03:25 a very, very pop sport.
03:26 They take off the tops and they win,
03:28 and they get the chance to go to the Berlin Olympics,
03:31 which is being presided over by Adolf Hitler.
03:33 And it's just a really well-made film.
03:35 It's well-acted.
03:37 Like I say, it's not reinventing the wheel.
03:39 It's kind of an undog thing.
03:41 But I would highly recommend it.
03:42 It's just a good story well-told.
03:45 Then they have "Poor Things" as well,
03:47 which we've already mentioned.
03:48 And then they have "The Beekeeper" with Jason Statham now.
03:51 "The Beekeeper" is by no means a good film.
03:54 It is a very bad film.
03:55 But, Graeme, you have to go and see it.
03:57 It is, it made me laugh so much.
03:59 It has got bee puns all the way through it,
04:01 about three quarters of the way through the film.
04:03 And this is a slight spoiler.
04:05 Yes, please.
04:07 At one point, the pun is "to be or not to be,"
04:11 with bees being bees.
04:12 At one point, someone finds a book
04:14 called "Beekeeping for Beginners,"
04:16 and then starts reading out bits of it
04:18 about how they're gonna solve the problem.
04:20 - Where can you see that film?
04:22 - You can see "The Beekeeper" at Cineworld.
04:23 Cineworld has got extensive screenings
04:25 of "The Beekeeper" coming up
04:27 from the end of next week, I think.
04:29 So "The Beekeeper" is, we love bad films, right?
04:32 We really enjoy bad films.
04:34 Jason Statham's one of these guys
04:35 who makes a lot of bad films,
04:37 but he makes good bad films.
04:38 He's a fairly likable screen presence.
04:40 It's worth seeing the screen.
04:41 The plot is absolutely bonkers.
04:42 It is about a beekeeper, as in a man who keeps bees.
04:45 But he used to be part of a secret government organization
04:49 called "The Beekeepers,"
04:50 who've got nothing to do with bees.
04:52 But he decided to see the tunnel,
04:53 and become a beekeeper.
04:54 It's basically John Wick.
04:55 It is exactly the same plot as John Wick,
04:58 but done really badly, with lots of bad bee puns.
05:00 He goes after the shadow organization,
05:02 another shadow organization,
05:04 who basically rip off pensioners from their life savings.
05:07 So it's quite fun, 'cause you really want these guys
05:09 to get their comeuppance.
05:10 And by jingo, do they get their comeuppance.
05:12 And can I tell you, this thing goes all the way up to the top
05:14 and Jason Statham's gonna go all the way up to the top
05:17 to sort it out.
05:18 I don't know what accent he has.
05:19 It seems to change from English to South African,
05:22 to Irish, to Australian, all the way through the film.
05:24 It's got real explanation,
05:26 but it's quite fun watching him essentially
05:27 traverse the entire planet with his accent.
05:30 And he should've just done English.
05:31 It didn't really matter.
05:32 It's got Jeremy Irons in it.
05:33 I don't know why.
05:34 I don't know how they got Jeremy Irons in it.
05:36 He's like a proper actor.
05:37 He's won an Oscar.
05:38 And he's playing this.
05:39 I mean, he's really good in it,
05:40 but I don't know how they sold him the film,
05:41 apart from lying or maybe kidnapping one of his children.
05:44 It's got Minnie Driver in it.
05:45 She's really good as well.
05:46 She's only in it for about five minutes.
05:47 Again, I don't know how they got Minnie Driver in.
05:50 But I would highly recommend seeing "Beekeeper."
05:53 There's quite a few good films in the cinema right now.
05:56 I have been seeing about 15 films
05:58 over the past three weeks.
06:00 And most of them have been pretty good.
06:01 I can highly recommend "Ferrari" as well,
06:03 which is a film- - Oh, really?
06:04 - It's got Adam Driver in it playing another Italian.
06:09 It's a me, it's Enzo.
06:11 But he's really good.
06:12 And his Italian accent isn't as bad
06:13 as it was in that other film.
06:15 It's got Penelope Cruz in it,
06:16 and she's absolutely brilliant in it.
06:19 It is directed by Michael Mann.
06:20 It looks like a Michael Mann film.
06:22 He can really put a film together.
06:23 It looks magnificent.
06:25 And it's got one of the most shocking crash sequences
06:27 I've ever seen in my life.
06:29 Genuinely, the entire cinema gasped.
06:31 It is absolutely horrific to watch.
06:33 So "Ferrari," I wasn't very keen on it,
06:35 but I went to see it,
06:36 'cause I had nothing better to do
06:36 over the Christmas period.
06:37 There was nothing else happening.
06:39 Really impressed by it.
06:40 As I was, "Next Goal" wins,
06:42 which everyone says is bad.
06:44 This is Taika Waititi's new film.
06:47 And it is, again, an underdog story.
06:49 So you've got the boys on the boat,
06:51 and you've also got Taika Waititi's "Next Goal" wins.
06:54 And it's about a character played by Michael Fassbender,
06:56 who's kind of miscast, but is still really, really good.
06:59 And he's a football man who wants to try to coach
07:02 the worst football team on earth,
07:04 American Samoa, who famously lost 31-0 to Australia,
07:08 which is the worst defeat in international football ever,
07:10 and remains unequaled.
07:12 And it's a really good, fun film.
07:14 Again, it's just a well-made film.
07:16 It's quite funny. It's not too funny.
07:18 Taika Waititi shouldn't be in his own films.
07:19 He's not funny at all.
07:21 But again, it's a nice film to go and see.
07:23 There's lots of just okay films at the cinema.
07:25 Films that you go and see.
07:27 - He was quite funny in "Jojo Rabbit."
07:29 - He was funny in "Jojo Rabbit."
07:31 He was, and he can be a funny man.
07:33 The opening two minutes of this film
07:35 is probably the worst two minutes
07:37 I have seen of any film in 20 years.
07:40 You're sitting there, you're going,
07:40 "I just want to walk out right now,"
07:42 'cause he is in the first two minutes, and it's not funny.
07:44 It is awful.
07:45 He's mugging, and he's kind of doing a funny accent.
07:48 And it's like "Mr. Bean" if "Mr. Bean"
07:51 was really, really, really not good.
07:54 But then it gets much better from there.
07:55 The moment he disappears from the screen,
07:56 it gets much, much better.
07:57 But again, I'd massively recommend it.
07:59 I'd also recommend "Godzilla Minus One,"
08:02 another really good film which is in the cinemas right now,
08:05 which, again, has kind of been released.
08:06 No one's really been talking about it that much.
08:08 It's a Japanese Godzilla film.
08:10 It's set during World War II,
08:12 and it's got a lot to say about things.
08:13 It's a really good quality monster movie,
08:15 which made me cry.
08:16 Not many monster movies make me cry.
08:17 Most movies make me cry, but not most monster movies.
08:20 So again, "Godzilla Minus One" is really good.
08:23 "The Boy and the Heron" is really good,
08:25 Studio Ghibli's new film.
08:27 Hayao Miyazaki coming back from retirement
08:29 to do one more film.
08:31 It's another lovely Studio Ghibli film
08:32 featuring a kid going into a world
08:35 filled with fantastical creatures.
08:36 It's not one of their best films,
08:38 but it's still a really good film.
08:39 These are all films that are not going to be featured
08:41 in awards season generally,
08:43 although "The Boy and the Heron" did win
08:44 the Golden Globe for best animation.
08:46 So apart from "The Boy and the Heron,"
08:47 but they're just good films,
08:49 which have been released over the Christmas season,
08:52 'cause everyone's going to see "Wonka,"
08:53 nobody's going to see much else.
08:54 And they're just good films
08:55 that have been put out this time of year.
08:56 So if you go to cinema right now,
08:58 you can go and see two or three good films in eight weekends.
09:02 So it's kind of in root health at the start of the year,
09:05 the cinema, and it's just gonna get better.
09:07 - I kind of fancy a few films,
09:11 but "Poor Things" has taken total precedent.
09:13 I want to kind of see "One Life."
09:15 Have you seen that yet?
09:16 - "One Life" is really good.
09:17 Again, "One Life" is, it's just a good film.
09:19 You wouldn't rave about it.
09:20 It's a really interesting story
09:22 about a guy who saved lots of children
09:24 from Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia, as it was.
09:29 It's another really, really good film
09:31 that could win some BAFTAs.
09:33 Again, it isn't like "Poor Things."
09:34 "Poor Things" is a big film, and you're right.
09:35 "Poor Things" is a film that people are gonna go and see.
09:37 It's a big, buzzy awards film.
09:39 It is likely to be my favorite of the year.
09:42 Had it come out last year,
09:44 it might have beaten "Past Lives."
09:45 It's my favorite film of the year.
09:46 It would have certainly been top three.
09:48 It's really, really good.
09:49 I've always said that I wanted "Past Lives"
09:51 to win all the Oscars, and it's not.
09:53 Now I would quite like to see this win all the Oscars.
09:56 So "Poor Things" is the big blockbuster film,
10:00 which is funny, because it's not a blockbuster.
10:01 It's a proper arthouse film.
10:02 It's an 18th certificate.
10:03 It's a strong, strong 18th certificate, may I say.
10:07 It's got some remarkable swearing in it,
10:09 which I'm obviously a big fan of in a film.
10:10 I mean, some really, really remarkable swearing,
10:14 particularly from Mark Ruffalo.
10:15 I mean, my goodness me, that man can swear.
10:18 It is excellent.
10:20 So I would go and see "Poor Things" first,
10:22 but then there's lots of other good things on.
10:24 - In terms of "Poor Things," I do think I really like it.
10:29 As I said before, I think I really liked "The Lobster."
10:34 I really, really liked "The Killing of a Sacred Deer,"
10:38 which kind of brings me on to what we're gonna discuss today,
10:41 which is, of course, "The Golden Globes,"
10:44 'cause I've got a, not a bee in my bonnet,
10:46 but like some of it surprised me.
10:48 I think some of it surprised you.
10:50 - See, if you've got a bee in your bonnet,
10:51 you should go and see "The Beekeeper" by Jason Statham.
10:54 That's the sort of thing,
10:56 I think they use the phrase "bee in bonnet" in "The Beekeeper"
10:59 'cause they use every single bee-related phrase in it.
11:02 - You did a pun without even realizing it.
11:04 - Did I? - You said he decided
11:05 to bee-come a beekeeper.
11:07 - You see, there's so many bee puns.
11:09 You can't say anything without it being a bee pun.
11:11 It's remarkable.
11:12 - Underrated animated movie, "The Bee Movie."
11:17 - Yeah, "The Bee Movie" was a decent movie.
11:19 - Yeah, very good, underrated.
11:21 Not a pun, just a fact.
11:22 But we're gonna discuss "The Golden Globes"
11:25 'cause obviously it's award season,
11:26 so you've got Oscars coming up on March the 10th,
11:30 BAFTAs, all that kind of stuff coming along.
11:32 But "Golden Globes" was always the first one,
11:35 and it seems that, well, it's not always,
11:38 it does kind of give you an indication
11:40 of where people are gonna be swinging towards.
11:43 Now, we haven't really got time to go through the whole lot
11:44 because the kind of one was separated
11:46 into different segments.
11:49 - Well, there's about 400 "Golden Globes."
11:50 I was surprised I didn't win a "Golden Globe."
11:52 There's so many, it's unbelievable.
11:55 - Too many?
11:56 - Yeah, like I think splitting the films
11:59 into what is a best drama and best musical or comedy,
12:02 which seems to encompass most films,
12:05 'cause a lot of the ones
12:06 which are in best musical or comedy
12:07 do not really seem to be comedies to me,
12:09 but anyway, what we've got.
12:11 - I mean, yeah, anyway.
12:15 So we're gonna go through each one
12:16 and have a little look and see what we think is
12:19 the right choice, what we would have chose,
12:21 and just discuss it a little bit.
12:23 Now, of course, the big ones are roles,
12:25 director, film, actor, actress.
12:28 So we're gonna go with director first,
12:31 have a bit of discussion about that.
12:33 Now, the best director for the motion picture,
12:36 the nominees were Bradley Cooper for "Maestro,"
12:38 Celine Song for "Past Lives,"
12:40 Christopher Nolan for "Oppenheimer,"
12:41 Greta Gerwig for "Barbie,"
12:43 Martin Scorsese for "Killers of the Flower Moon,"
12:45 and Iogos Lanthimos for "Poor Things."
12:48 Pronounced it right.
12:49 I don't think there's too many surprises
12:53 on the winner of this one.
12:54 Were you surprised?
12:55 - Sadly, no, I don't think,
12:59 we've talked about this before,
13:00 I don't think "Oppenheimer" is necessarily
13:02 as good a film as people, including you, think it is.
13:05 I understand people love it.
13:06 I think it's got some problems.
13:07 I do think it's a good film.
13:08 I think the two-thirds of it's brilliant,
13:10 but I'm not sure if it's good enough
13:11 to really be winning the awards above these other films.
13:15 I think it's gonna win the Oscar now.
13:17 I think it's just one of these things that's just facts now.
13:20 I would have definitely given it to Iogos Lanthimos
13:23 having seen "Poor Things,"
13:25 simply because, not simply,
13:26 because it is more of a director's film.
13:29 There's more going on as a director in "Poor Things."
13:32 You're watching it going, "My words,
13:33 that is really impressive how he's managed to do that,
13:36 how he's managed to get those performance-like actors,
13:38 the visuals of it.
13:40 It's an absolutely extraordinary-looking film."
13:42 I just think "Oppenheimer" is a bit of a TV movie.
13:45 I don't think much of it's massively cinematic.
13:48 It's got a couple of amazingly cinematic scenes.
13:50 A lot of it is quite theatrical, as far as I'm concerned.
13:53 I don't think it's that difficult a film to direct,
13:55 so I don't think he deserves it, but what do I know?
13:58 He's going to win every award going.
13:59 - Disagree.
14:04 - I know you do.
14:05 I know you do.
14:05 - I have my issues with "Northern" on certain things,
14:08 but I thought "Oppenheimer" was flawless.
14:09 I didn't think it was a bad thing about it.
14:11 I think it was fully deserved.
14:12 - We'll see what you think after seeing "Poor Things."
14:15 You'll get all I can say.
14:16 - It's not going to change my opinion on "Oppenheimer."
14:19 - No, but you might think that the directing
14:21 is slightly better.
14:23 I mean, you see, I think the directing on "Barbie" is better.
14:25 I think "Barbie" is a more difficult film to direct.
14:27 I think that what Greg Gerwig did with "Barbie"
14:30 is amazing, whereas I think what Christopher Nolan does
14:33 is just what Christopher Nolan does,
14:34 and he does it very well.
14:36 But I'm not sure if you'd ever know
14:37 it was necessarily a Christopher Nolan film.
14:38 It's just a well-made film.
14:41 I don't think it's got much flair to it.
14:43 I understand this is completely me.
14:45 Other people completely disagree with me.
14:46 I kind of feel like I'm living
14:48 in an alternative sort of universe.
14:50 I don't really understand what people see
14:52 in his films being so good.
14:53 But no, you're probably right, and I'm probably wrong.
14:56 There's just something wrong with my brain
14:57 where I don't get it.
14:58 - I don't think he's done much decent stuff
15:02 since about "The Dark Knight" trilogy,
15:04 but I thought it was great.
15:05 I mean, it was my number one film from last year,
15:08 and I felt like bad choosing it
15:10 because it's quite an obvious choice,
15:11 but I couldn't take my eyes off it when I seen it.
15:14 I thought it was incredible.
15:15 I thought it was amazing.
15:16 I can't really argue with it too much,
15:18 although there's a couple of films I haven't seen this yet,
15:21 including "Maestro" as well, so fair enough.
15:24 "Best Motion," ugh, motion?
15:29 The monster's coming back on me there.
15:30 And "Best Motion Picture, Musical, or Comedy."
15:33 They both were A, "American Fiction,"
15:37 "Barbie," "The Holdovers," "May, December,"
15:40 and "Poor Things."
15:42 Obviously, you're a big fan.
15:43 "Poor Things" won, but there's part of me here
15:47 where I'm really surprised, and it makes me think.
15:51 Now, I haven't seen "Poor Things,"
15:53 I can't say, and it comes more highly rated,
15:56 but I am surprised at how little
15:58 "Barbie's" really been mentioned throughout this.
16:04 - It only won two Golden Globes,
16:05 and one was the made-up award for basically the film
16:08 that's earned most money,
16:10 and the other one was some sort of technical one.
16:12 So yeah, it's quite amazing
16:13 that the film that's kind of saved cinema.
16:15 In fairness, along with "Oppenheimer,"
16:16 I mean, it was the "Barbieheimer" thing,
16:18 and they're gonna want to award both of them,
16:20 but I agree, I think it's a shame "Barbie" didn't win more.
16:22 I mean, I think I have a list of films.
16:23 I mean, again, it is weird.
16:24 The best film musical or comedy,
16:26 you've not seen "May/December."
16:27 I think putting "May/December" into the comedy category
16:30 is quite a reach, because yes, it's got funny bits in it,
16:34 but most films have got funny bits in it.
16:37 Even "Oppenheimer" has got a couple of giggles in it,
16:39 so it seems very old to put that there,
16:41 but I mean, I think that the shortlist for that
16:43 could be the shortlist for the main film,
16:45 as far as I'm concerned.
16:47 I've seen them all,
16:48 and I think they're all remarkable films in their own ways.
16:52 I mean, for best comedy or musical,
16:54 I don't consider "Poor Things" to necessarily be a comedy.
16:58 I mean, it is a kind of sex comedy.
16:59 That's kind of what it is,
17:01 but to call it a comedy is kind of reductive.
17:02 I mean, out of that list,
17:04 the film that is a comedy is "The Holdovers."
17:06 "The Holdovers" is a comedy.
17:08 It sets out to make you laugh.
17:09 It is a funny film.
17:10 It's got jokes in it.
17:11 Everything about it is meant to be funny,
17:13 so I think for the category itself,
17:16 I think that "The Holdovers" should have won,
17:17 'cause it's the best comedy of the year,
17:18 'cause I don't think "Barbie" is a comedy either.
17:21 I think that it's a funny film,
17:22 but is it really a comedy?
17:23 It's a kind of comedy-drama.
17:25 I don't know.
17:27 It's just a weird classification that Golden Globes have.
17:29 I mean, you should get rid of it.
17:30 - It's a musical.
17:32 - Is it a musical?
17:32 I suppose it's got songs in it.
17:34 - I think so.
17:35 - Yeah, I guess so.
17:36 I guess it fits in there somewhere.
17:38 - It's got a heavy amount of original songs.
17:41 - It does, actually.
17:41 Yeah, I suppose you could just about call it a musical.
17:44 Fair enough.
17:45 - Another one that I probably wasn't surprised at,
17:48 and I think is fair,
17:50 but again,
17:52 I don't know.
17:55 I feel like there's not enough being made about it.
17:56 We'll come on to it.
17:57 I'm gonna ask your opinion first.
17:58 The best actor award for a motion picture drama
18:03 was won by Cillian Murphy,
18:04 which I don't think's that surprising.
18:06 I think he's a fantastic actor,
18:08 but it didn't seem to have much competition.
18:09 And when you look at the list,
18:10 there's actually a lot of competition there
18:12 that maybe should have pushed him a bit closer.
18:13 I mean, you don't know how far he pushed him,
18:14 but it felt like he was gonna win,
18:16 and that was kind of it.
18:18 - Yeah.
18:19 - Who else was up for that?
18:20 I'm just having a wee look.
18:22 - In terms of that one,
18:23 it was Andrew Scott for "All the Strangers,"
18:25 Barry Kilgore for "Saltburn,"
18:27 Bradley Cooper for "Maestro,"
18:28 Coleman Domingo for "Rustin,"
18:30 and Leo for "Killers of the Flower Moon."
18:33 - Yeah, I'm very pleased Leonardo DiCaprio didn't win.
18:35 - Yeah, he didn't like his performance in that.
18:37 - I mean, I would have given it to Andrew Scott.
18:39 I know you've not seen "All the Strangers."
18:41 I think his performance in that is absolutely remarkable,
18:44 and it's amazing that it's been nominated
18:46 for a Golden Globe.
18:47 To get a nomination from a film like that
18:49 that very few people have seen,
18:50 and it's a very small British independent film,
18:52 I mean, he's kind of won already by being shortlisted,
18:55 you know, because it's highly unlikely
18:56 that a film or a performance like that would be shortlisted.
18:59 He won't be shortlisted for the Oscars.
19:00 He's there because it gets broken up
19:02 into those two different categories,
19:03 but I think Cillian Murphy was great in "Oppenheimer."
19:08 I don't really have much of an argument with this.
19:10 I mean, even though I'm not a big fan of the film,
19:11 I do think he was extraordinarily good in it.
19:13 So it's very hard to see he shouldn't have won that,
19:16 to be honest with you.
19:18 - I kind of agree, but I thought, I don't know.
19:23 I also thought Barry's role in "Saltburn" was brilliant.
19:26 - Well, "Saltburn" is just one of these films
19:28 that's taken on a life of its own,
19:29 and he is absolutely wonderful in it,
19:30 and I really hope he gets an Oscar nomination,
19:32 'cause he deserves it, it's amazing.
19:34 - There's been...
19:35 It's kind of gone mad on TikTok, "Saltburn,"
19:39 and there's now a cocktail you can get
19:41 somewhere in the UK where you drink it out of a bath.
19:45 - I get the feeling that what's happened with it now
19:47 is there's a lot of people on TikTok
19:49 and these sort of things who are doing these stuff,
19:51 and they've not actually seen the film.
19:52 They've just seen the TikToks,
19:53 and they're actually responding to TikToks
19:55 rather than the film itself,
19:57 because you've got that weird thing
19:57 that apparently very wealthy people
19:59 are doing the final sequence fully clothed, I should say,
20:03 but going through basically
20:04 their mummy and daddy's big house.
20:06 You're going, "You've not watched the film, have you?"
20:08 'Cause if you've watched the film,
20:09 if you understood the film and you're doing that,
20:11 you're not being very complimentary about yourself.
20:13 You're calling yourself not a very nice person.
20:16 But I don't think...
20:17 Either they don't get it or they've not seen it.
20:19 I would suggest that you've not seen it,
20:21 and that they're thick.
20:22 - No comment.
20:24 If I did it in my house,
20:27 I'd literally last until the bedroom, which is just there.
20:30 One bedroom flat, brilliant.
20:33 - Yeah, it's my comedy house.
20:35 - Murder on a...
20:36 Murder in the sitting room, and now I'm in the passage.
20:40 Oh no, I'm already in the kitchen.
20:43 And it's not lyrics, by the way.
20:45 Yeah, I thought, I don't know.
20:50 When I think about "Saltburn" as well,
20:52 context of this award,
20:55 I do think that because of the things
21:00 that happen in "Saltburn",
21:01 people are like, "Oh, ha ha ha, this, that, and the other."
21:03 But I don't think people really realise
21:04 how good Barry Keoghan is in the entire film,
21:07 like his actual performance.
21:09 Like, take away what's written and what he does.
21:10 Like, his performance is like flawless.
21:13 And I think it's right up there with Cillian Murphy's,
21:15 but I'd probably,
21:16 'cause I slightly preferred the film,
21:19 but like, a hair, I'd probably go Oppenheimer,
21:23 because-
21:24 - I think it's a shame for Bradley Cooper as well,
21:25 'cause he was the favourite going into the Golden Globes.
21:27 I still think Bradley Cooper will win the Oscar,
21:29 by the way, for my show.
21:31 And he's kind of been overlooked
21:32 because there are these almost flashy,
21:34 I mean, his performance is very flashy in my show,
21:36 and he is in basically every single scene,
21:39 but I think fewer people have seen my show.
21:41 Fewer or less have really talked about it.
21:43 I've not met many people who've seen it,
21:45 'cause it was only out of cinemas for a couple of days,
21:46 then it went on streaming.
21:47 And I just don't think it's the sort of film
21:49 people want to watch when they're sitting down,
21:51 you know, after their tea,
21:52 'cause it is quite hard work,
21:53 and it's quite a kind of worthy film.
21:55 But I think Oscar will want to reward him
21:57 for a kind of body of work,
21:59 you know, a bit like Leonardo DiCaprio
22:01 winning for that film with a bear in it,
22:04 so that he didn't really deserve to win for,
22:06 but it was a body of work, Oscar.
22:07 And I think that Bradley Cooper will get it for body work,
22:10 'cause he's been nominated so many times,
22:12 and so many people who've been in the films,
22:13 that he's written, directed, and produced,
22:15 and won Oscars, and he hasn't.
22:17 And he should have won one by now.
22:19 So I think that'll be his year for the Oscars,
22:21 but I don't think the Golden Globes
22:22 really care that much about that kind of thing.
22:25 - In terms of the awards,
22:29 I know we were gonna go through each one and stuff,
22:31 but I'm just kind of flicking through them just now.
22:33 And the one that got me the most,
22:34 now, I've seen all of these films,
22:36 I've talked about how much I liked "Oppenheimer."
22:38 I know you didn't like it,
22:39 but I really liked "Killers of Flower Moon."
22:42 "Poor Things," obviously, is going mad at the minute.
22:46 And this had two nominations within that.
22:49 And "Barbie," as well.
22:51 Now, I thought from all the films I've seen,
22:53 and maybe "Poor Things" could rival it.
22:55 I'll make my mind up tonight.
22:59 But maybe it could rival it, maybe not.
23:01 But I'm absolutely shocked that, like,
23:04 Ryan Gosling's not just sweeping up
23:06 all the Best Supporting Actor awards.
23:09 - Yeah, I agree.
23:10 - He didn't win it.
23:12 It was won by Robert Downey Jr. for "Oppenheimer."
23:16 - And I massively disagree with that.
23:18 I think Robert Downey Jr. was fine in "Oppenheimer,"
23:20 but it was Cillian Murphy's film.
23:22 I mean, when you talk about supporting actors,
23:24 it was very much a supporting role.
23:26 I mean, Cillian, I sometimes feel that
23:30 the Best Supporting Actor,
23:31 maybe part of the screen time
23:33 should come into it a little bit.
23:34 You know, there was a time that
23:36 the "GD Dench" won for, like,
23:38 two and a half minutes of screen time or something.
23:40 I mean, it is weird to think that
23:42 kind of different supporting roles,
23:43 like, if you're in the film for basically
23:44 half of it or five minutes of it,
23:46 you're still up for it.
23:47 I just don't think that his performance
23:50 really mattered so much for that film.
23:52 I think if you put someone else in that role
23:55 who wasn't as good,
23:56 I don't think it would have mattered that much.
23:58 It was entirely Cillian Murphy's film.
24:02 - One award that I did want to discuss,
24:04 which I said we wouldn't,
24:05 I didn't put this down as one we had,
24:06 but I just remembered,
24:07 the most controversial one of the night,
24:09 shock horror, because controversy follows him everywhere,
24:12 Ricky Gervais winning Best Performance
24:15 in Stand-Up Comedy on television.
24:17 - Yeah, I don't think the Golden Globes
24:19 understand stand-up comedy for a start,
24:21 because the nominees are just five
24:24 quite well-known US comedians, they're not.
24:27 And they've hardly kind of done a deep dive
24:29 into the world of stand-up
24:30 to come up with that shortlist.
24:32 I mean, it's just all of the usual people.
24:35 And then Ricky Gervais winning
24:36 for what is by far his worst stand-up special.
24:40 I don't even mind Ricky Gervais that much.
24:42 I'm not one of these people who hate Ricky Gervais.
24:45 He's a reasonably talented guy.
24:46 I don't think that he's a great stand-up,
24:48 but I think some of his stand-up shows
24:49 down the years have been quite funny.
24:51 I just thought it was a really lazy show.
24:52 I mean, most of the jokes were old jokes.
24:54 He was just like rehashing jokes
24:56 that he's done in previous shows.
24:58 And he had nothing new to say, I didn't think.
25:01 I mean, you can find the jokes funny if you like.
25:03 I mean, it's just a matter of taste
25:04 where you find them funny.
25:05 I don't think they were particularly well told.
25:07 I laughed a couple of times.
25:08 I did watch it to the end.
25:09 I thought his kind of get-out clause at the end
25:11 was a bit pathetic as well,
25:12 which is basically saying,
25:13 "I can say what I like and blah-de-blah-de-blah."
25:16 And anybody talking about being canceled
25:18 when they're on the biggest media platform on earth
25:22 and being streamed to more people than anyone else on earth
25:26 and saying they're being canceled.
25:27 I mean, clearly doesn't really understand
25:30 what the word canceled means.
25:31 - I don't know if you saw Frankie Boyle's take on it.
25:35 - Yes, and he is right.
25:37 He is right.
25:37 - I mean, Frankie Boyle's take was quite funny.
25:39 Even if, I mean, I didn't mind the stand-up.
25:43 He's not like my favorite.
25:44 I think he's a better writer.
25:45 I think his TV writing's excellent.
25:47 I thought "Afterlife" was superb.
25:48 "Extras," "The Office," all that stuff's like brilliant.
25:52 - I think that it does demonstrate
25:57 why you shouldn't take the Golden Globes too seriously.
25:59 As we shouldn't take the Oscars particularly seriously either
26:01 but I don't think the Oscar's gonna follow the Golden Globes
26:05 as much as people think they will.
26:07 And I still think there could be a big upset
26:09 in some of the big categories.
26:10 I mean, I think Bradley Cooper will win Best Actor.
26:15 I actually think Ryan Gosling
26:16 will also win Best Supporting Actor
26:18 'cause I think they'll want to give Barbie
26:20 more than the Golden Globes have given Barbie.
26:22 And he's the obvious person.
26:23 That Best Adapted Screenplay, weirdly it's gone into
26:28 'cause it's adapting a toy.
26:29 I don't really understand that
26:30 but it's going in for Best Adapted Screenplay.
26:32 Could win that.
26:33 Greta Gerwig, I think, is an outside chance
26:35 for Best Director.
26:36 She's now third favorite for Best Director
26:38 which is quite interesting.
26:40 So she's got a tight-
26:41 - Who's your favorite? Christopher Nolan.
26:42 - Christopher Nolan followed by Yorgos Lanthimos
26:45 who's actually come in a lot.
26:46 Obviously, poor thing's coming in
26:48 at the end of the awards process.
26:50 It's quite interesting 'cause that could put
26:51 the cast amongst the pigeons as well
26:53 'cause coming in late, people are seeing it later.
26:55 It's gonna stick in their minds more.
26:57 And there's a wee chance that that could pick up.
26:59 I think that Emma Stone,
27:01 I would like her to win Best Actress
27:03 but I think it will be Lily Gladstone
27:05 who wins Best Asterisk for that.
27:07 I think that will be one that the Oscars
27:09 follow the Golden Globes on.
27:11 - You got your words mixed up there
27:12 and you said you think she'll win the Best Asterisk.
27:14 - Asterisk.
27:15 (laughing)
27:15 Who's gonna win the Best Obelisk though?
27:17 Gerard Depardieu.
27:18 (laughing)
27:19 - The winner of the Best Exclamation Mark is
27:21 (laughing)
27:23 Dave, way.
27:24 But yeah, I felt like, I don't know.
27:27 One thing I did wanna ask,
27:29 I don't know because it became like a thing where
27:32 whatever kind of happens at the Golden Globes
27:34 is kind of what you can sort of expect to happen
27:36 at the Oscars, which is the big one.
27:37 If we're completely honest with you,
27:38 that's like the big, big,
27:39 not the kind of like shoot down at Golden Globes
27:41 or the Grammy's.
27:42 - No, but that's what people care about.
27:44 People wanna win the Oscars, don't they?
27:45 Yeah.
27:46 - Yeah, the Oscars like a thing.
27:47 And I think, you know, for a long time,
27:50 if like X won Best Picture at the Golden Globes,
27:53 unless something happened, you know,
27:55 in between that and the Oscars,
27:58 you tend to follow suit.
28:00 Do you think that still applies
28:03 or do you think we'll see some changes in the Oscars?
28:05 I'm trying to remember if there was any surprises last year
28:08 when you kind of like,
28:09 oh, well that person won the Golden Globes and so,
28:12 and they didn't.
28:13 - No, I think that everything everywhere all at once
28:15 did far better at the Oscars
28:16 than it did at the Golden Globes.
28:17 I think it won Best Musical or Comedy Film
28:21 in the Golden Globes,
28:22 but that wasn't a particularly competitive category
28:24 compared to the Best Dramatic Film.
28:27 And that's what can happen.
28:27 So, I mean, obviously Oppenheimer's won
28:29 the Best Dramatic Film,
28:30 but like I say, the Best Comedy and Musical shortlist
28:33 was really, really high quality.
28:36 So in that, Oppenheimer wasn't actually competing
28:38 with these films for the same awards.
28:40 Obviously, Christopher Nolan was up for Best Director
28:44 against some of those films,
28:45 but Oscar quite likes splitting Best Director
28:48 and Best Film on occasion.
28:49 So I can see, I don't think Oppenheimer
28:52 will win both Best Film and Best Director.
28:55 I think that if they had any sense
28:56 and they really want to award Oppenheimer,
28:59 I think 'cause of the Barbenheimer thing,
29:01 why not give Oppenheimer Best Film and Barbie Best Director?
29:05 And that basically rewards these two great directors
29:09 who have made these films that have set cinemas alight,
29:12 they've got bums on seats,
29:13 they have basically saved the movie industry this year.
29:15 I think some cinemas would have gone bankrupt
29:18 without those two films this year.
29:19 So I'd like to see them both maybe rewarded in that way.
29:23 And I think that'd be quite nice
29:24 for the two of them to share it.
29:25 It'd be a nice end to the Barbenheimer phenomenon,
29:29 for them both to basically share the big Oscars.
29:31 But we'll see.
29:32 - Outside of that, Best Film, obviously is the big, big one.
29:37 Obviously, there's Best Motion Picture for Drama,
29:41 yada, yada, yada.
29:43 I felt like Best Motion Picture for Drama
29:48 was, for me, the really obvious one.
29:51 You had Anatomy of a Fall Kill,
29:52 The Flower Moon, Past Lives,
29:54 Zone of Interest, Maestro, Oppenheimer.
29:56 So it'd be, especially the Oscars as well,
29:59 doesn't it be chucking in a random foreign film in there
30:01 just because of Parasite won once?
30:03 And I'm kind of like, but I feel like it's never gonna win.
30:05 And I feel like Past Lives, I haven't seen it.
30:07 Not that I don't think I'm gonna enjoy it,
30:09 but I can't say it's not really highly rated.
30:12 I mean, I've not met a single person.
30:14 I've been raving about it for months and months and months,
30:16 and I've been almost physically forcing people
30:18 to go to the cinema to see it,
30:19 because it isn't a film that you see the trailer
30:22 and you go, "Oh my God, I'm really gonna enjoy that."
30:24 I can honestly tell you that nine out of 10 people
30:26 who have seen the film, who I know,
30:28 would say it was their favorite film of the year.
30:30 It was number one in most critics' top tens here.
30:33 And I know that's not something that necessarily interests you
30:36 like the sight and sound poll or the Guardian poll
30:38 or those sort of things.
30:39 But when you have one film winning all of those,
30:41 I think you have to pay a wee bit of notice to it.
30:44 And it's not a hard work film.
30:45 It's not an intellectual film.
30:47 It's not, it is a lovely film.
30:49 It is a beautiful love story told in a very unique way.
30:52 And I just genuinely do not think anybody
30:55 would not come out of it just saying, "I love that."
30:57 'Cause it's a universal film,
30:59 and it talks about something which is entirely universal,
31:03 which is essentially falling in love for the first time
31:06 and later in your life, thinking back to that first love.
31:09 And I don't think there's a person on earth
31:12 that doesn't think about that.
31:13 That is an absolute universal thing.
31:15 So it's something special about first love.
31:16 And the way it approaches it and the way that it
31:20 has of explaining certain things
31:22 that happen to you later in life,
31:23 it's just beautiful and life-changing.
31:25 And go and see it, Graham.
31:26 It'll be out again before the Oscars
31:27 because it'll just get more and more releases.
31:29 It'll be back at Cineworld,
31:30 which is a very good place to go and watch films.
31:32 And it'll be back at Cineworld again just before the Oscars.
31:35 And it's well worth going to see it.
31:36 Go and take your partner, go and take Ash.
31:39 She'll love it as well.
31:39 She'll love you for taking her to it, I would imagine.
31:43 And it's a great film.
31:44 Go and see "Pass Likes."
31:46 Go on.
31:47 - I also wanna, 'cause I just said that,
31:48 like that was, it felt like the foreign film
31:51 that was in there, but actually,
31:53 and that would mean "Before This" as well.
31:54 And that's what actually won the best,
31:56 that's what won the Golden Globe for Best Foreign Award.
31:59 - Which was massively controversial.
32:00 'Cause I mean, there's no doubt that "Pass Likes"
32:02 will win the Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film
32:04 or film not in English language, rather.
32:07 But I think "Anastomy of Fall" is a great film as well.
32:10 It's a really good film.
32:11 It's quite a cold film.
32:12 It's not a massively emotional film.
32:14 And it's not meant to be an emotional film,
32:15 but it's very good as well.
32:16 It's another excellent, excellent film.
32:18 But I can't see the Oscars following that.
32:21 The Oscars will give it to "Pass Likes"
32:22 because they basically put it up for Best Picture as well.
32:25 So how can it not win Best Foreign Language Film
32:27 when it's up for Best Picture?
32:28 They've already basically said that it is the best film
32:31 out of all of the foreign language films.
32:33 - Any other awards that surprised you on that?
32:35 'Cause I suppose I'm looking through the rest just here,
32:38 as you can probably tell.
32:39 And a lot of them look fairly obvious.
32:41 I thought it was interesting that "Best Original Song"
32:44 had loads of Barbie stuff in,
32:45 'cause I kind of forget how many of those
32:47 were like originally not meant to,
32:49 like weren't songs before Barbie became a thing.
32:52 But the Billie Eilish winning,
32:56 I feel like that's a TikTok thing.
32:58 'Cause it's always TikTok.
32:59 - It's always TikTok.
33:00 She's gonna win the Oscars as well.
33:01 She's already won one Oscar.
33:02 So she's gonna be winning a second Oscar,
33:03 which is quite remarkable.
33:05 I think that the only other one,
33:07 apart from Foreign Language Film,
33:08 which I think was a massive surprise,
33:09 I think Best Animated Film was a huge surprise,
33:12 'cause I've seen all of the films that were nominated.
33:15 So nominators were "The Boy and the Heron," which won it.
33:19 And it was up against "Suzumi," which I adored,
33:23 "Wish," which I think's fine,
33:25 "Spider-Man Across a Spider-Verse,"
33:28 which I thought was absolutely phenomenal.
33:30 "Super Mario," which was the third,
33:33 no, it was the second highest-grossing film of the year.
33:36 Second after "Barbie."
33:38 And the disappointing "Elemental."
33:40 I know that you liked "Elemental" more than me.
33:42 - I liked "Elemental."
33:43 - I was quite surprised with "Boy and the Heron."
33:45 One, it's a Japanese film again,
33:47 although there is an English-language version.
33:49 I would have given it to "Suzumi"
33:50 if you wanted to go down the foreign language route,
33:53 or "Spider-Man."
33:54 But I think "Spider-Man" is part one of two films.
33:56 You know how they're doing these things with "Dune" as well,
33:57 where it very much is part one, like it stops.
34:00 It isn't like you've got a cliffhanger.
34:02 It stops, and it is half of a film.
34:04 And I think it's not gonna get any of the awards,
34:06 'cause I think they're all saying next year
34:08 it'll win every single award for the second part,
34:10 which I think is kind of fair.
34:12 So I think that's maybe why "The Boy and the Heron" won.
34:14 But it's still a lovely film, "The Boy and the Heron."
34:16 It's just a lesser Studio Ghibli film.
34:18 So I think that was, yeah, that was slightly unexpected.
34:22 But like you say, I think most of the awards
34:25 pretty much went to the favorites.
34:27 But it's a bit disappointing when that happens.
34:30 You know, you always want a proper right-sider,
34:31 which did happen, actually, with Ricky Gervais.
34:34 You're right, that was a proper right-sider.
34:36 I think you've got odds for about 50 to one
34:38 for Ricky Gervais to win that.
34:39 I thought that was shocking,
34:40 but he knows all the guys in the Golden Globes,
34:42 doesn't he?
34:43 He's got contacts.
34:44 - I mean, let's be honest,
34:45 his whole speech when he hosted it at that time was hilarious.
34:50 - Oh, it was brilliant.
34:51 No one's gonna say anything other than that.
34:52 It was brilliant, yeah, super.
34:54 And that is what he's good at.
34:55 That's the sort of thing he's good at.
34:57 - And when he used to pick on people
34:58 that could defend themselves,
34:59 that was sometimes a little bit better,
35:00 but hey, I'm not offended by anything he does.
35:03 But Dave, that's pretty much our 36 minutes up,
35:07 and I think people are probably sick of it
35:08 and just go, "Don't care about the Golden Globes,"
35:10 and they've stayed 36 minutes.
35:11 So fair play, thanks very much.
35:13 - And next week, we'll just talk about pure things
35:15 for two hours, 45 minutes.
35:17 - 36.
35:20 Happy New Year.
35:22 - 36 minutes on Twitter.
35:24 Happy New Year.
35:25 Bye.
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