Hoosier Roundtable: Recapping One of the Worst Wins Ever
Category
🥇
SportsTranscript
00:00 Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Hoosier Roundtable podcast.
00:04 I'm your host, Daniel Olinger, joined by my good friend and co-host, Jack Ankeny.
00:09 Jack, how are you doing after that game?
00:13 Doing pretty good.
00:14 Yeah, that was definitely a rough one for Indiana.
00:17 I'm sure we'll get into it.
00:19 But yeah, one of the uglier wins that this team has had in quite some time.
00:24 So plenty to talk about.
00:25 Yeah, I don't know if you need qualifiers of this team in some time.
00:29 That's one of the ugliest wins I think I've probably ever seen in football.
00:33 You know, Tavon Jackson said after the game, a win is a win.
00:36 But man, Indiana really put that theory to the test because I cannot name a single
00:41 Indiana fan who was really feeling all that well, nor should they really after that game.
00:46 It was just that bad.
00:47 Even I'm just seeing stats now from Parker Fleming on Twitter, who he posts net success
00:52 rates after each week of college football for every team.
00:55 Indiana had like a negative near negative 0.15 success rates, like negative 15% to like
01:01 basically like every like underlying metric says Akron should have won that game.
01:06 The Akron deserved to win that game and Indiana got very lucky to escape with 29-27 win in
01:11 four overtimes.
01:12 Yeah, I think that's about as bad as you can feel about a win in complete honesty.
01:18 Like I think that's basically the only positive is that you ended up winning.
01:25 Because you know, Akron could have easily won that game if they make a 32-yard field
01:30 goal, I think it was.
01:32 You know, Indiana loses at home if that happens.
01:38 They had plenty of chances.
01:39 Like if you just look at the drive chart from the second half, you know, three and out,
01:46 three and out, 11 play, 72-yard drive that ends in a field goal where you get stuffed
01:51 at the goal lines, which that continues to be a big issue.
01:55 And then after that, three and out, three and out, and then overtime.
01:58 So the second half especially was just brutal offensively.
02:03 And you know, they weren't able to run the ball.
02:07 You know, Christian Turner, I guess, had an all right game.
02:11 If you want to look at like something positive from the offense, just because Josh Henderson
02:15 was out and that is a meaningful loss.
02:18 Christian Turner, I guess, looks pretty capable of filling that role.
02:21 But you know, definitely a couple steps back for Taven, especially 11 for 26, 190, a touchdown
02:30 and an interception.
02:32 That's a Bears quarterback passing line.
02:34 Oh yeah, I'm well aware.
02:37 Yeah, you know, and I guess to be fair to him, he was, that was by far the most pressure
02:44 I think he felt through three games in terms of the defensive line getting after him.
02:50 And I think that is very concerning because the offensive line seemed to block better
02:56 against Ohio State than it did Akron, which seems like a step back for that group, which
03:03 I think showed some signs of improvement early on.
03:06 But really the whole offense, I don't know what they're trying, like, I don't know what
03:10 this team's identity is offensively.
03:12 I don't know what they think they can be successful with.
03:15 Jalen Lucas had 10 catches last week, zero this week.
03:19 I just don't know.
03:21 Have you watched I Think You Should Leave?
03:24 Yeah.
03:25 So remember Chunky, the Chunky sketch where he's saying like, you figured out what you
03:30 do you at all, all summer to think of it.
03:32 That's exactly, it's feel like it's every Indian offense screaming at Walt Bell.
03:35 You had all summer to figure this out.
03:38 And then four games in and like you said that there's no identity.
03:41 I yeah, and the defense now Akron did have some successful offensive plays, but the defense
03:47 I don't well, the defense had mistakes in place that could have been better.
03:51 They forced three turnovers.
03:53 They really did.
03:54 They gave up a huge run at the end, but like they were probably they were on the field
03:56 a lot.
03:57 I think if you want any like if we're just going to say positives that Indiana might
04:02 have had the defense, this was not their fault.
04:05 And if we were saying what can Akron do well, they do have like DJ Irons is one of the better
04:09 group of five quarterbacks there is.
04:10 He is very good.
04:11 And before he heard his shoulder, he really was.
04:15 I mean, you had those bad passes, but great runner and a lot better than Jeff undercutler
04:19 will never get enough of saying that name.
04:20 But that they had talented skill position players and Alex Adams transferred LSU Lorenzo
04:27 Wingard believes that Florida Miami.
04:29 So yeah, I think the defense did about as much as it could for as long as the game tried
04:34 to keep Indiana in it and got the got the big stop at the end of the second overtime
04:39 to at least force a field goal.
04:40 But yeah, the offense man just yeah.
04:43 How about we talk about the goal line offense?
04:45 Because that's really stands out.
04:47 Just that was a pivotal point in the game.
04:49 Lewis Moore gets the interception seven to three.
04:51 They should punch it in from five yards out with four plays.
04:54 Just go up 14 three.
04:56 You're probably going to cruise to a easy so easily should this have been just like Indiana
05:00 wins 2410 doesn't feel great, but it's fine.
05:03 Like no one really cares that much.
05:04 Instead, it became this because I think it was a speed option on first down to the like
05:09 short boundary, which they love running the speed up for some reason that they cannot
05:13 get it to work.
05:14 Second play was a basic run of the middle that got a few yards, then two straight plays
05:18 of Donovan McCauley.
05:20 Wildcat draw the first which I think he runs into Christian Turner as his lead blocker
05:24 and falls down and the second which gets completely stuffed.
05:27 So and this is a week after the horrific fourth and goal play call from 18 inches away.
05:32 Just this can't happen like, you know, like there are plenty of teams around college football
05:38 that struggle in some certain situations like goal wire specific play on situations like
05:42 Ohio State fans were justified when bad about that during their game against Notre Dame.
05:46 But the difference is, that's like a thing on the margins that if you're very good, and
05:51 you're bad at that it's annoying, but you can kind of figure ways around it.
05:54 Indiana is not good enough to have that big of a fatal flaw like, it's not saying that
05:58 our only flaw but if their biggest problem is they really, really struggle in short yardage
06:03 situations and goal line offense can't punch it in zone.
06:07 That's how like I think you wrote in your column, they do that for the next eight games,
06:11 they're going to intend.
06:12 Yeah, and I think like last week we spent so much time criticizing the play call at
06:20 the goal line against Louisville the Josh Henderson run when we thought they should
06:24 have gone with a QB sneak.
06:25 I think it's almost even more concerning after this week because like you said they tried
06:32 the sneak with Jackson it didn't work they tried to runs with McCulley back to back.
06:37 I guess I understand doing it once but doing it back to back felt a little bit odd to me
06:43 they tried some, you know, an option play kind of flicking it out to Christian Turner
06:48 I think it was, they tried three or four different things at the goal line and none of them worked
06:55 and to me that's more concerning than it was last week where you, you know, where it's
06:59 just a one play type thing and maybe you criticize the play call more.
07:03 They tried to do a bunch of different things and none of them work.
07:06 I just want to interject real quick even on the one they scored their first touchdown
07:09 on where it was not quite the goal line but in the inside 10 yards they ran QB power design
07:14 QB runs for Taven Jackson back to back plays both of which were terrible and also I remember
07:18 Taven got chopped down at the knees twice in a row it's like you cannot get him hurt.
07:22 Yeah.
07:23 Christian Turner made an excellent one of the best plays, Christian Turner made an excellent
07:26 jump cut to get outside and score a touchdown and it's like seven yards out to get the first
07:29 touchdown like you said a few positive I think Christian did just fine.
07:33 Yeah.
07:34 I mean I'm not a fan of him but every Indiana fan's like you check Twitter you check anything
07:39 like they know that Taven like yeah he's elusive but he's not much of a designed runner he's
07:43 not super fast or super physical don't want to get him hurt.
07:47 This is not an incredible blocking the line either especially in the run.
07:50 Why do you keep putting on designed runs?
07:53 It's so frustrating to see a football team that doesn't seem to know what they are.
07:57 Yeah.
07:58 That's what that's what's happening.
07:59 Yeah.
08:00 Sorry.
08:01 I mean it seems like Taven is better when he can kind of pick and choose his spots to
08:07 scramble around or you know if a throw is not there kind of recognize hey I got to take
08:11 off it seems like he's kind of better in those types of running situations than you know
08:16 design situations and I think just that whole second half you know sitting there I think
08:23 that they were up 17 10 for a while and you know four three and outs there in the second
08:30 half and it it felt like it wasn't you know Indiana had you know that's four chances there
08:37 for you to essentially put the game to rest if you can score a touchdown and go up 24
08:43 10 and then you're saying oh yeah you know they struggled for a while but they ended
08:47 up pulling away and it wasn't too close but those second half drives were so concerning
08:53 they they couldn't run the ball at all there on those plays it didn't seem like there was
08:59 anything that they could just go to and say you know I know I can get five ten yards out
09:05 of out of this type of play and you know they give up the 70 yard touchdown run to I think
09:12 it was Lingard just you know totally you know didn't have the run fits there and and you
09:20 know that's kind of been a problem the last two weeks giving up those big plays because
09:23 I do think the defense overall you know I was critical of how they you know they couldn't
09:29 contain DJ Irons really at all kind of in the scrambling and he really kept the game
09:35 alive there you know he ended up with 141 rushing yards I think besides that the defense
09:41 was you know created three takeaways it was it was solid overall but you know that those
09:46 big plays and and kind of the way it wasn't able to contain irons was was a pretty big
09:51 concern and that's going to continue like he's not the only mobile quarterback they're
09:55 going to see yeah they do struggle scrambling quarterbacks I think because they're really
10:00 built on strength up front and physicality they're pretty big in the front seven they're
10:05 not exactly fast which I mean a lot of teams will struggle of dual threat scrambling quarterbacks
10:10 can create like that that's not an uncommon thing so I mean it was bad that they couldn't
10:16 contain irons and plumber obviously had the plays where he escaped contain again when
10:20 they're playing Louisville but that's one more thing there are certain things the defense
10:25 and get better at I cannot blame them at all for this where for the first 57 minutes of
10:29 the game they held back in a 10 points and like the first three were based off of the
10:34 really bad interception taving through so yeah it's just so the offense is so concerning
10:40 when they won the turnover margin three to one Akron missed that trip to up here well
10:45 they decided not to go for a touchdown and I was surprised yo home or had to not go for
10:50 the kill in the touchdown second overtime like I probably just try to end it there and
10:55 not keep going and then if we want to talk about the two point conversions third and
10:59 fourth overtime obviously defense tonight's both to solid place for them there so good
11:04 job a lot of fans upset that even miss Jay wide open Jalen Lucas on that now Tavon said
11:10 after the game it's he never looks at Jalen in that place progression goes 123 I think
11:15 the response from all the fans was okay so if Jalen's running like that swing route right
11:20 there and he's not in the progression what is the point of having Jalen do that like
11:25 and I I'm not gonna say I know enough about football scheme or football X's and O's to
11:29 know exactly but there does seem something wrong about so we have the smallest the guy
11:34 on the field whose whole job is that he his speed really inflicts terror in the defense
11:39 and he can get open like that so you obviously not much of a pass blocker so you're not keeping
11:42 a pass block but you're having them run a route that your quarterback is not supposed
11:47 to look at I and at the very least if since Akron did not guard it that at least if like
11:55 if Tavon's not supposed to throw to him that would tell me that Akron was easily able to
12:00 tell to tell Indiana's play call and said as soon as I saw it said oh that's not happening
12:04 just didn't cover him so either either was a breakdown that Indiana's not designed to
12:08 take advantage of or Akron had them completely scouted yeah that was that was a pretty brutal
12:13 play because I could have ended it right there and I kind of what I took from Tavon's comment
12:19 was that it seems like they're probably trying to simplify things for him in terms of hey
12:24 here are your three reads if these three aren't open get out of there you know don't try to
12:32 look around for other stuff even though you know that sounds ridiculous but you know I
12:37 kind of took that as they're trying to make things as simple as possible for him which
12:41 I guess I understand because he's a young quarterback doesn't have a ton of experience
12:44 but if there's a play where you know a guy is getting that wide open and he's your biggest
12:50 offensive weapon I don't understand why that's not part of the read progression especially
12:56 because last week Tavon had I mean sorry Jalen Lucas had 10 catches I think it was 98 yards
13:03 had a touchdown he's proven he can be very successful in the past game and they didn't
13:09 throw it to him at all he ended up with zero catches he had only 13 rushes maybe some of
13:15 that is you wanted to use them more in the run game because you didn't have Josh Henderson
13:19 but again that's just showing that's just not maximizing your best your biggest offensive
13:26 player and you know that's a question for the coaching staff that they have to figure
13:31 out because you know that was a pretty inexcusable miss and just to have a guy that wide open
13:40 and in that kind of critical situation so you know I think the offense overall they
13:45 have to Walt Bell has to figure out figure out what you do figure out what you do right
13:51 figure out what this offense can do best where Tavon is most comfortable and I think we've
13:57 seen when he's throwing to camper and when he's throwing to Lucas those are kind of to
14:03 to have I use best offensive targets and you know they've got to figure out something fast
14:09 because right now they're they've been one of the worst offenses in the Big Ten and you
14:14 know I think on an individual level there is talent but it kind of speaks to the whole
14:19 unit and the play calling and just kind of the big picture things that they're just not
14:24 able to you know maximize those guys.
14:28 Yeah should mention their camp camper if we're talking about the few positives from the offense
14:32 had a had four catches 103 yards and a touchdown clearly a pretty good deep receiver Tavon
14:37 keeps anyone those deep throws a sideline at big chemistry they're absolutely lost some
14:41 poor Akron defender in the first overtime for a touchdown so again if you're talking
14:45 about the few things you can say positive about this team after that game can camper
14:49 is one of them very good receiver like just high quality player there's nothing not much
14:55 more to say about it he's probably it's him again him or Jalen Lucas is Indiana's best
14:59 offensive player right now and I don't know if there's much debate about that and on Tavon
15:04 if there I think you might be right and my problem with that if that is the case of their
15:09 time hey only these reads do not do anything else like you do that if you have a really
15:13 excellent team that you don't wear the floor you're just trying to make sure the floor
15:19 doesn't fall out and you don't want to like cost that like if think of like Iowa quarterbacks
15:24 in the past I know I had one of the worst games ever this last Saturday but when I was
15:27 had their amazing defenses and offenses that just barely worked enough to get to get wins
15:34 I would get that kind of philosophy of oh just do these two reads and go down don't
15:39 risk anything after that because they have such a high floor at that point it's just
15:42 like just don't screw it up this is not an Indiana team operating with a high floor not
15:47 at all like you have a Tavon and as Tom Allen said he loves Tavon's ability to create to
15:52 make plays to be a playmaker to get something out of nothing that's what the whole appeal
15:56 of Tavon is like as opposed to I mean I don't know if Brennan Swordsman I think has a little
16:00 bit of that probably not as much and then Connor Baselak obviously did not much of it
16:04 have much of any of that so if that's Tavon's whole thing is creating then why are you not
16:10 just letting him try and create why are you not telling Tavon hey it's okay if you if
16:14 you think you need to scramble out and try and look for something or freelance obviously
16:17 just don't we don't want you to be reliant on that but like that's fine it's it's okay
16:21 to it's okay to if you go off those reads and you notice something's wrong with the
16:25 numbers look to your right and see Jalen wide open that that's totally fine so I like we
16:32 said this isn't there something something is not right with the philosophies and the
16:36 talent how it all matches up also we can't say it's all on coaches and the way to do
16:40 it some of that's execution I thought the four play calls when I got the goal line stand
16:44 against them was were bad the line also didn't block very well or it's not what those felt
16:49 the fault of the on the I don't I obviously I don't think it is that on the first wild
16:53 catch draw Donna McCoy and Christian Turner bumped into each other the players didn't
16:56 make mistakes that's and Alan was saying that they didn't really take practice all that
17:00 seriously this week it was clear they're kind of overlooking Akron there's plenty to complain
17:04 about the players there but just something that this offense you need to find it a way
17:08 to figure it out just against a team that isn't like the most dead on a rival team ever
17:12 in Indiana State yeah and I thought it was just especially concerning that we saw Taven
17:18 be able to do some great things last week against Louisville and that's obviously you
17:23 know they seem like one of the better teams in the ACC you know not you know a top tier
17:29 team in that conference but I think they're gonna have have a good season and and it seemed
17:33 like Taven really figured out in the second half of that game you know kind of how to
17:40 get this offense in a rhythm and and it just wasn't there at all against Akron and you
17:46 know they have a lot of figure a lot to figure out because it's big 10 play the rest of the
17:49 way and I think it was also concerning that the offensive line took a step back you know
17:56 this was by far the the game that Taven was the most pressured after kind of I think we
18:02 we both felt that that they showed some signs of improvement earlier on in the season so
18:08 yeah I mean like I said earlier I think that's about as bad as you can feel about a win and
18:13 I guess what did you what did you think of some of the comments from Alan and some of
18:19 the players about just overlooking Akron and and I guess where do you kind of feel like
18:26 that stems from where do you what do you kind of feel like that's a problem with I mean
18:30 that's the fact that they did overlook them it's not like uncommon a lot of teams have
18:34 done that I I think Ohio State might have overlooked Indiana in week one that's very
18:39 possible like that that does happen I don't I think it's very human reaction you don't
18:44 want it to happen as a coach of a team or as the team itself but I I don't think it's
18:49 the worst in the world but that did actually happen just because I don't think it's uncommon
18:53 but that's also the thing you have to it's a line of like knowing who you are is like
18:56 this is Indiana football you really do not have the again that margin for error to overlook
19:02 someone the best teams in the country can do it occasionally it doesn't really matter
19:05 because they just they figure it out mid game they they can flip a switch there's no switch
19:10 this team can flip like you have to be ready for the game if you're ready to go at and
19:16 I do think there's part of Akron did play well from this where again Irons their defense
19:20 was clearly game and Irons pretty fun interesting quarterback and they did seem much more into
19:26 it to Indiana did not let themselves get dragged down by any of those turnovers or any bad
19:29 plays so I don't know it's it's rough and I think a lot of people made some of that
19:35 the video posted afterwards with Alan's thing the fight song not every player looking engaged
19:40 in it I think James Mons a lot of people screen cap that photo of him not look into it like
19:45 it's a lot of worry that is this team just like fed up with the coaching staff or so
19:49 it's just that's the kind of concern you're going to get after that kind of performance
19:52 like said that the only thing that's really good for me and is that they did get another
19:56 win it is technically one more step closer to bowl eligibility but it was big 10 play
20:00 starting and like it's not big 10 is not a great conference but the problem being the
20:05 East is that Indiana still plays four of the five best teams in the conference in my opinion
20:09 and Michigan Penn State Maryland and Wisconsin are still on their schedule those all look
20:14 like losses right now and that are are they playing well enough to beat Rutgers Michigan
20:19 State Illinois and Purdue I don't know yeah not I mean they're not going to beat anyone
20:24 if they played the way they did against Akron that's kind of what I wrote a lot about after
20:29 the game and you know I think you mentioned that that that video that was posted after
20:34 the game I you know I think there I think that's just kind of players you know they
20:40 were pissed after after the a win like that you know no one is taking that I you know
20:45 we asked players what's the mood and they're all like well it's a win but we recognize
20:50 that if we play like that again like that's just not going to cut it against anyone and
20:55 I think as far as the the kind of the comments that some players and Alan made in terms of
21:01 like preparation like that kind of just tells me that some of because Alan said like they
21:06 had to restart some things in practice on Thursday and I think that's concerning because
21:12 Alan in past seasons has been kind of known as like a strong motivator get players to
21:17 buy in and it just kind of seems like maybe his messaging this week kind of fell flat
21:24 in terms of players buying into that and you know that's on Alan and that's also on the
21:28 players for you know not taking an opponent seriously because like you said you can't
21:34 do that against anyone if you're Indiana like teams like Ohio State can can afford to do
21:38 that but Indiana can't afford to take anyone lightly and that kind of falls on leadership
21:44 in my opinion kind of from a player perspective and a coaching perspective you know I was
21:49 also concerned like I think someone asked Aaron Casey like did Akron do anything that
21:55 surprised you guys in terms of like the run game and he's like you know I knew they were
22:00 going to use their quarterback but I was surprised how much they used their quarterback and that
22:05 was kind of concerning because that was Akron's biggest strength was was running with DJI
22:09 yeah no every single Akron like news any like obviously there was limited information on
22:14 Akron coming in they're not covered like a power five team but there was like DJI is
22:19 a known product he was the he should have been number one with a bullet like shut him
22:23 down or obviously it's the quarterback it is hard to just completely take take some
22:27 of what he does out of the game but you should not be surprised by DJI and being their best
22:31 player yeah and I think that just kind of speaks to the preparation too so you know
22:39 if you want to look at this as some kind of one-off just to play I guess to play devil's
22:44 advocate here is maybe you say you know Indiana's not going to overlook any opponents you know
22:50 maybe they have a better weeks of preparation going forward you know I don't know how much
22:55 I totally believe that but maybe that's one way you can spin it into thinking like they're
23:01 not going to have another performance like this but you know I'm really concerned about
23:06 this team I felt honestly more optimistic after the loss to Louisville just because
23:12 the opponent and kind of what they showed in the second half with Taven and with the
23:15 defense getting a second half shut out I honestly felt better about that than than beating Akron
23:21 which sounds crazy because it's a loss versus a win but there was almost nothing positive
23:28 to take away from that win for Indiana it's not crazy at all you can tell by the comments
23:34 made by Indiana fans they feel much worse about this one they do either two losses because
23:39 again this is one of the two guaranteed wins on Indiana schedule that was like the whole
23:43 line was they they have they're better than Akron than Indiana State and again they played
23:49 worse than Akron Akron should have won if not for pushing a kick wide left they did
23:54 have Indiana beat and then we'd be going on here about how Indiana might would be like
23:59 very likely staring down a one in 11 season and they could be starting down a two in 10
24:05 season I kind of hoping for their sake that's not the case but when you lose to one of the
24:10 worst teams when you lose when you barely win against one of the worst teams in the
24:15 FBS that's kind of how it feels right Akron has their they have six wins since the start
24:22 of the 2019 season it's not like this was a game where you're playing a Mac school that
24:29 you know is a powerhouse in their conference that this is not to leave winning this is
24:33 not Toledo almost beating Illinois which was right to won the Mac last year is always pretty
24:37 good like that's a but you can understand how Illinois almost got got in that game this
24:42 one it's like again you you throw I don't know Maryland up against this team I who Indiana
24:48 plays next week and I think Maryland probably beat Zachary 4510 yeah yeah so maybe maybe
24:54 Indiana 4510 yeah they might I think yeah I think going forward it's it's really concerning
25:04 you know the next two weeks are Maryland and and and then you get the by and then Michigan
25:10 those are probably two losses before you get Rutgers I think is after that so you know
25:19 Indiana is probably two and four heading into that game and you know I think that's when
25:25 this Louisville game really comes back to bite you because it's a game that you could
25:30 have won it's a game that you could have built some confidence kind of eliminated some of
25:33 that margin for error and and and kind of now you know guys are probably feeling down
25:38 and you're looking at the schedule like you know yeah you know maybe Illinois Michigan
25:43 State and Purdue are having down seasons compared to what we expected from the start of the
25:48 year but it's really hard to feel confident about Indiana beating any of them after what
25:53 they showed against Akron yeah and just like you're saying it was so important to build
25:59 up some early season confidence with the gauntlet that they have to expect over here being in
26:04 a big 10 East where Penn State has probably the best defense in the country those guys
26:09 are lights out I don't know how Indiana is gonna do anything against them and happy Valley
26:14 Michigan is the I think their number one in SP plus right now that Michigan's obviously
26:19 two undefending conference champs their juggernaut Maryland like probably not as good as the top
26:24 three but clearly like competent beat the crap out of Michigan State Wisconsin at least
26:30 Wisconsin both destroyed Purdue and at the very least like it looks like they're lost
26:34 to Washington State's kind of sensible because Washington State might be a top 15 team in
26:38 the country so you just have these like four between Wisconsin Maryland Penn State Michigan
26:43 it's like yeah this is already I wouldn't blame any any Indiana fan or person like trying
26:48 to look on the season saying yeah this team's basically two and six and it's can you be
26:51 any of the other four teams and maybe get there and it's just so disappointing after
26:55 we were talking to oh maybe five to six six wins on the table it's like not the stuff
26:59 you want to do for yeah so I I guess that kind of makes me ask like we felt pretty good
27:07 about this team last week winning four or five maybe best case scenario six and now
27:14 we're talking about a two-win season like is the I guess just ask like are we overreacting
27:20 at all are we putting too much stock into one game or was that a bad enough performance
27:26 for us to kind of you know feel so bad that you know we're slashing off three four wins
27:35 from what we thought just seven days ago that's a very good question because obviously like
27:40 it's a two ends of the extremes like you can't overreacting to have a good quote-unquote
27:45 good loss to Louisville versus under and then also overreacting to a bad win versus Akron
27:50 I think what I would say is that I was mentioning how it might be four and eight that feels
27:54 like oh they really should have been five five or six win team as opposed to four and
27:58 eight last year where they really should have been a one to two to two win team I think
28:02 this could I'm gonna stick with like like water gun to my head I would say four and
28:08 eight is probably what I would pick just because mainly because I those other four big ten
28:13 teams that we said are beatable I don't think those teams are I think those teams are very
28:16 bad too so it's really like a lack of confidence in them to be that much better than Akron
28:22 so I the bottom half of the big ten is an absolute mess but right I saw I'll say four
28:28 and eight that that's was which was my prediction last week except four and eight I had four
28:33 and eight with the optimism that six wins is possible it feels more like I'll say they're
28:37 still gonna they're not gonna go two and ten they'll go four and eight but I really do
28:41 not think the bowl eligibility is much possible it's hard to think that what do you say Jack
28:46 yeah no I kind of agree with you like my prediction before the season was four and eight and I
28:52 was kind of with you last week where it was like you know they have winnable games maybe
28:57 they get to six I think that's pretty out of the question now I also don't think they're
29:02 gonna go two and ten I it's possible you know it's certainly possible that they lose all
29:07 those games but I think kind of the three or four probably I'll stick with four just
29:14 since that's what I said before the season I you know it's hard to feel good about them
29:18 beating anyone right now but you know some of those Illinois Michigan State Purdue games
29:23 are later on in the season where maybe you know Taven figures it out and is starting
29:28 to play more consistently I still believe in the defense being solid enough to keep
29:34 Indiana in a lot of games you know the way that they defended irons was pretty concerning
29:40 but you know they're creating takeaways which they really didn't the last two seasons which
29:45 I think is a real positive so yeah you know I don't think it'll be on either end of the
29:52 extreme in terms of two and ten or six and six and six so I'll agree with you there you
29:58 know I think it's fair to feel really bad if you're an Indiana fan after that Akron
30:04 win and if you don't think they're gonna win anymore this year like that's fair because
30:09 the way that they played against Akron did not say anything definitively like here is
30:16 how Indiana will beat a Big Ten opponent like there was nothing on Saturday that really
30:20 said that so yeah they have a lot to fix I you know I think any hopes of full eligibility
30:30 are kind of out the window I think you're kind of looking at four wins again which is
30:35 what they had last year I'm just kind of given the schedule yeah for Windy Anna not as catchy
30:42 as nine windy and unfortunately but I think that's gonna wrap it up for us here today
30:46 thank you all so much for listening to the Hoosier roundtable podcast again just for
30:51 anyone who wants to know where they can find all of our work I am Daniel Olinger he is
30:55 Jack Anthony we both work at Hoosiers now.com which is the Indiana Hoosiers website on a
31:00 nation and sports illustrated check out all our articles there we're basketball season
31:05 coming up we're doing a lot of previews and stuff to get you ready for both the men's
31:09 and women's basketball seasons and obviously covering this a interesting football team
31:13 probably the best word to use there but thank you all so much for listening and we'll catch
31:17 you next time.