Hoosier Roundtable: Indiana vs Akron Preview with Patrick Mayhorn
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00:00 - Hello everybody and welcome to the Hoosier Roundtable
00:05 podcast. I'm your host Daniel Olinger and today I'm joined by my good friend Patrick
00:10 Mayhorn. Patrick, how are you doing today?
00:12 - I'm doing well, man. I'm excited to talk about Akron. Anytime I get the chance to talk
00:16 about Akron, you know who to come to. I'm happy to be on.
00:21 - What do you think, like you told your younger self, that when people need to know more about
00:25 Akron, they come to you? That's like, "Where are we?"
00:29 - It would have been a difficult thing to explain, I think. I grew up an Ohio State
00:35 fan. I have since shed that part of my brain and moved across the country. But yeah, I
00:40 think even just not 10 years ago or so, if I go back and say that, it would be surprising.
00:47 It would be a pretty surprising thing. But here we are.
00:50 - Yeah, for anyone who doesn't know, Patrick covers all of college football in a lot of
00:55 ways. He's the creator of Meet at Midfield, an excellent website I highly recommend. I'm
01:00 personally a reader and follower of all their content there, just covering all of college
01:05 football. He's also the creator of the Ag Ship, a Utah State outlet where he covers
01:09 that team. Just football, men's basketball, women's basketball, everything there. And
01:14 yeah, I guess, again, going back to what you all should know about Patrick, I would say
01:20 probably watches and cares more about G5 football than anyone I have ever met. Do you think
01:26 that's fair, Patrick?
01:27 - I try. There are a lot of people within these actual schools, within these fan bases
01:33 who care quite a bit, but I try to eat the whole thing as much as I can. I try to get
01:38 everybody on my... I try to get eyes on as many teams as I can. There are some that go
01:43 a little bit beyond me because there's not a ton going on for some of these schools.
01:49 But yeah, I try to watch as much G5 football as I can. I have made it sort of my thing
01:54 over the last three or four years.
01:56 - Well, that makes you perfect for today where we have Indiana playing Akron here in week
02:02 four, both teams coming in at one and two. Indiana coming off a very up and down loss
02:07 to Louisville where they go down 21-0, come back all the way, then have not a particularly
02:14 inspiring fourth and goal play call to kind of not completely come back there at the end.
02:20 Akron coming off a game against Kentucky, which I mean, from what I saw in that Kentucky
02:24 game, you can probably tell me more about this, but hung... We're not completely out
02:30 of the game against Kentucky until the end. At least hung around for longer than Kentucky
02:33 would have liked.
02:34 - Yeah, and that has been sort of the thing for Joe Moorhead at Akron in general is that,
02:40 no, they're not bad. Like they're not outright bad. They're not getting blown off the field.
02:45 They have things that they're doing that are positive, but then they lose. And so it's
02:52 like...
02:53 - That's not great.
02:54 - Yeah, it's not necessarily fun to play against them just as, even as a team like Kentucky
02:59 that I think is going to be pretty good this year. And it's the same thing with the Mac.
03:02 It's just that they don't really, they haven't found that next step to turn close losses
03:08 into wins or to turn, eventually, like in the Kentucky game, pretty significant losses
03:14 into close losses. They just... The fourth quarter comes around and they don't play anymore.
03:19 They're not... 60 minutes has been an issue for Akron for a long time now. It's not just
03:24 a Joe Moorhead thing. It's a roster personnel thing. They just don't have the guys to do
03:28 it yet.
03:29 - Well, we should probably go through some of those guys, 'cause I... And this makes
03:35 total, like, in total offensive Indiana football fans, this would make sense. I doubt most
03:39 of them can name a lot of the players on the Akron roster. We could probably start with
03:42 the quarterback. I know... So I reached out to you before the season started to learn
03:47 more about them. You told me about DJ Irons, who is a pretty good Mac quarterback. Although
03:52 I also want to mention just their backup quarterback's name, which is Jeff Undercuffler. What's going
03:57 on there?
03:58 (laughing)
03:59 - Yeah, they've got Jeff Undercuffler in the mix, of course. We all love Jeff Undercuffler.
04:06 Yeah, this is mostly still the DJ Irons show. He's had some injury issues that, you know,
04:13 in the past have taken him off the field and I think already concern just in general a
04:17 guy like him who... He runs the ball a lot. It's something that's part of this offense
04:21 scrambling, but also designed runs. It's a Joe Moorhead offense. And so he does move
04:28 around. He's a very good athlete. He's not had quite the season as a passer that I was
04:31 hoping he would have. I don't think it's entirely his fault. He's just... There's not a ton
04:38 at wide receiver. And I think honestly, more importantly, they have a couple of guys out
04:43 there, but they've just not really been able to keep them upright. And the offensive line
04:49 has been the question mark here and it really continues to be the question mark. At quarterback
04:53 at least, Irons is... He's a pretty good player. He's a good athlete. He makes plays with his
04:59 feet. He can make some plays down the field. They try to keep the throws pretty simple
05:03 for him and he generally executes the offense pretty well. It's just he doesn't do a ton
05:08 beyond that and he's not really taking that next step that I was hoping to see from him.
05:13 And like you mentioned, like his dual throwout capability there, just being able to create
05:17 a pretty good runner. Like when you say he's more maybe explosive, twitchy or like a straight
05:22 line speed runner or a lot of guys do it with physicality because last week of Indiana,
05:26 like wasn't the quarterback, but after really two really good performances from their defense
05:30 in the first two weeks, they got together in the second half of the first half against
05:34 Louisville. They got gashed because they had not seen someone as quick as Jamari Thrash.
05:38 They just could not keep up with him. So I feel like any guys like at any position on
05:43 offense who really has... I think this Indiana defense is pretty quality, but I'm not sure
05:47 they have any guys like elite speed, any like as it would be for most events, is any like
05:52 blazer like that's going to give them a big problem?
05:55 Yeah, Irons is not, he's not really that. He's 6'4", 215. He's more of a, you know,
06:04 he's like a locomotive. He's sort of, he can gain speed as he's going, but he's not really
06:09 beating you to the edge. It's more just that he's hard to get on the ground. He's a lot,
06:14 he's a lot more of the long speed than it is the quickness. They do have guys like that
06:19 on this offense. They have, you know, Lorenzo Lingard is the number one running back here.
06:23 He's one of only two who has actually played for this team. Former four star, he was at,
06:29 I think Miami and Florida. He has been, he's been okay. I would like to see a little bit
06:35 more from him than they've been able to show. I think again, it kind of goes back to the
06:39 offensive line, but he has, you know, the athleticism that would come with being a former
06:44 four star recruit. And then Drake Anderson, I think maybe Indiana fans might remember who was
06:48 at Northwestern a couple of years ago. That blew my mind when I heard he was,
06:53 I was a sophomore on Northwestern when I was a freshman there watching his first game at home.
06:58 I've graduated and this guy, I'm like, what is going on? Like, how is he still playing?
07:03 He's still playing. Yeah. He was at Arizona last year. He's at Akron now. He's been the
07:07 more efficient of the two. But again, they're just, they're kind of working with, you know,
07:14 with what they've got, which is not a very good offensive line. That's not doing a very good job
07:18 of protecting these guys or giving them space to work. I do like a couple of these receivers
07:23 as well. Josiah Gay things I think is pretty good. Alec Adams is an LSU transfer. I liked him quite a
07:28 bit coming into the season. Daniel George has been playing well for them. Like I think they
07:32 have a trio of skill guys there and they have a running back or two who I like. I like DJ Irons.
07:37 It's just, I don't know that they can do, you know, enough to keep them supported. I don't
07:44 know if they can keep the quarterback upright. I don't know if they can really lead the way up
07:47 front. This offensive line was shaky last year and it's shaky again this year. It just hasn't,
07:53 it just hasn't clicked in the way that you need it to for this offense to really work as intended.
07:58 I mean, no, it makes total sense. Like any Indiana fan who watched the team in 2022 can
08:03 tell like they have some skilled position guys they like. They don't hate the running backs.
08:07 You know, Shivers is good. The guys that have backhanders and Lucas are fine.
08:10 Pampers a good receiver when he's healthy, all that stuff. But like,
08:13 and that's one of the kind of things that Indiana fans have enjoyed most in improvements so far
08:18 that the O-line this year, at least under Bob Bosad, looks a lot more competent. There's just
08:23 not leaking holes anymore. It does help a lot that instead of the statue that was Connor Baislack,
08:28 they have a pretty mobile quarterback back there now to avoid sacks. But still, just
08:31 having like a terrible offensive line is just one of the, what is your solution really? It's,
08:37 there's not much you can do. There's only so many screens you can call and it's diminishing returns
08:46 on those because you need to still be able to do other things. It's really hard to work around.
08:49 So on like defense, what would you say you've seen from Akron so far? Obviously like I probably
08:55 should have listed their game results earlier. I believe it was a 21-24 loss to Temple, 24-21 win
09:01 over Morgan State, I think of it right. And then like we said, 3-35 against Kentucky. But that was,
09:08 again, that game, that's a game like a classic week three game as we saw for so many of these
09:13 big name teams where the final score looks okay, but that was still a game very late into it.
09:19 Yeah, I've been honestly pretty impressed with the defense given where it was. I think that
09:24 the defense has been, I mean, you look at those scores, it's been pretty unquestionably the better
09:29 unit of the two. And it wasn't really all that good last year. It's not like they were building
09:35 on a ton of stuff on that side of the ball. They lost some guys, but I think that the new players
09:40 they brought in have fit really well for what they want to do. I don't know if this is updated all
09:45 the way, but per GameOnPaper.com, they're ninth defensively in success rate. That's what they
09:51 want to do. And that's really good. I mean, that's really, really strong.
09:55 The only thing I would wonder about there is just how much does that help by playing Temple,
09:59 Kentucky, and Morgan State, which I think are particularly inspiring offenses.
10:04 Yeah, Temple, I think is improving on offense. Morgan State, I can't really speak to. And then
10:09 Kentucky, I mean, Devin Leary is a guy. We like Devin Leary. But yeah, it's a fair point. I do
10:16 think that it's at least roughly the quality that they're going to be facing generally in the MAAC.
10:21 And I think that this defense could be pretty good relative to who they're playing, relative
10:26 to what they're trying to do this year. And they really, really need that to be the case as this
10:30 offense tries to figure it out. It's nothing too complicated on that side of the ball. They have
10:38 guys roughly in the positions that you would expect them to be in. If you've looked at a
10:42 standard base defense in college football recently, they get to the quarterback pretty well, but they
10:48 don't need to do a ton of glitzing to do that. They just have a couple of really good defensive
10:53 ends. C.J. Nunnally is fantastic. He has been excellent for them this season. I think that he
10:59 is a guy who, I think he's wearing number 91, who has just really burst onto the scene and played
11:05 out of his mind. He's brand new. He played last in 2021 at Jackson State, was not really on
11:12 anybody's radar coming in. He has been maybe their best defender. And then you have like Bennett
11:17 Adler, who has been really good as well, opposite him. You have somebody like Joshua Jackson,
11:22 who's been pretty good. Ryan Johnson, who's the other starter defensive end. They've had some
11:27 guys really step up in the pass rush without needing to add bodies to the box, to add rushers.
11:35 And that has been a really huge help for their defense. I think that these edge rushers have been
11:40 probably the biggest positive so far for this defense. They're able to do a lot more because
11:44 of those guys. - Yeah. And I think you mentioning there just how some of those pass rushers can get
11:50 home a little bit. Indiana's offensive line has done a much better job protecting it. Again,
11:55 like it's helped a lot by Taven Jackson. So really loose guy in the pocket has really good awareness.
11:59 Has stepped out of a lot of sacks against Louisville in the second half. But at tackle,
12:04 they've been trying some stuff to move Khalil Benson to right tackle. It's the first time he's
12:07 really played there at the college level for a lot. Carter Smith's a very young guy at left
12:11 tackle. So I think at least in past production, you could get them there, even though they've
12:17 held up pretty well so far. How's Akron done defending? Because there was a big talking
12:23 before Indiana was not being able to really run the ball down the interior. They had to resort
12:28 to just so much straight. They basically tried to come out and do a little more of the triple option
12:33 stuff they did against Ohio State. Worked for a few plays and then just gave up on it because
12:37 they can't get enough push on the inside of the O line. Again, if you saw that fourth and goal
12:40 play, they lost like four yards from the one and a half foot lines. Yeah, caved in. So how
12:44 does Akron like hold up in the trenches there? They've been pretty good against the run as well.
12:49 I think the run has been the one that they've been able to handle as a unit better. The past,
12:54 their secondary has some issues, but they've been able to get home and cover that up. But the run,
12:59 they've got a pretty stout core in there. They have those defensive ends and then they have
13:04 guys like Shemond Cooper at linebacker who's been really good for them. You get somebody like Trey
13:09 Jones, who's a little bit more proven as a defensive tackle who I like quite a bit.
13:13 Corey Thomas Jr. at safety is able to step up and make a lot of plays and run support.
13:17 Brian McCoy has stepped into a linebacker spot and I think he's handled it pretty well. And then
13:22 Kyle Thomas is the last defensive tackle who's really impressed me. I would like to see more
13:27 of him, honestly. He's working with the second team right now. I think he's been better than
13:32 the starter, Lama Levea. There are guys here. There are things to like with this run defense.
13:39 They are a lot more stout than I thought they would be on this side of the ball,
13:43 especially up front. I think that Joe Moorhead has done a really good job of adding
13:47 bodies and adding athleticism that is better suited for the FBS level. It sounds like a simple
13:53 thing, but they just didn't really have that under the previous administration, under Tom Marth.
13:57 They needed that. They needed those bodies. And I think that they found guys who can
14:02 do that job and do it well. It is obviously a different game against a power five team.
14:07 And if Indiana has been having trouble up the middle, I think that can benefit Akron. It's not
14:13 elite defensive tackles, elite linebackers, but they're competent and that's a pretty big step
14:20 forward for them. Yeah. And I think that's just important to let people realize because obviously
14:25 coming into the season, Indiana football fans know what their team is like. And they know that
14:30 when they were just circling things on the schedule, the only two "guaranteed" wins they
14:34 had were Indiana State and Akron. And the Indiana State game was so assuredly... It feels mean
14:41 because I don't want to be mean to a team, but even for an FCS team, I remember that whole game,
14:46 they were just nothing going on, just completely random over. It was like they weren't even there
14:51 the whole time. I think it's important for people who are interested in this game to know Akron's
14:56 not going to be that. This is not a team that's like, you can just not even think twice about it
15:02 and the game's already over. Yeah, there's an edge to this team. They can cut you if you are
15:09 not taking them seriously. I think would be the easiest way to say it. This is not like,
15:14 you're not playing Toledo, you're not playing Eastern Michigan. This is not one of the top
15:19 teams in the MAAC. I think Miami of Ohio would deserve that credit as well. This isn't that.
15:24 These guys are still going to be struggling to get to a bowl game. I don't know that they're
15:28 going to get there this year. They just lost to Kentucky 35 to three. They lost to Temple earlier
15:32 in the season. They're still trying to learn how to win football games. It should be a win
15:38 for Indiana. This is the kind of game, like you said, that you come into the season, you can circle
15:42 and know that you should win this game. I think they will, but Akron is not desolate. Akron is not
15:50 without guys. It's not without talent. It's not without ways to hurt you. There are weaknesses.
15:55 The offensive line is a major weakness. The secondary has a lot of question marks in its
15:59 ability to cover receivers. It's just something that they haven't done super well so far. They
16:05 don't have a ton of proven quarterbacks. But they have methods for making plays on both sides of the
16:11 ball. I think that they're getting better probably each week. That's generally how it goes with this
16:16 sort of team. I think it is the kind of game that Indiana should win, should have the talent to win,
16:22 and should be able to get into its base stuff pretty comfortably and execute it. But it's not
16:27 the sort of game that you should just overlook and get ready for next week. You still got to take
16:32 these guys seriously. I will say that if Akron is able to cut them, as you say, because Indiana is
16:39 playing... it's a night game for some, which I'm not sure why it's a night game, but it is. Yeah.
16:44 And then State did that against Akron a couple years ago as well. Very strange. Stop making
16:48 these guys do this. Indiana's also, for the first time... I don't know Indiana uniform history well
16:54 enough to know it off the top of my head, but definitely they do not do this often. They're
16:57 wearing all black uniforms. They're trying to make it a blackout, basically. It reminded me,
17:01 like, if they lost this game, it would be like the thing in the 90s where Ohio State wore the black
17:05 socks and I'm killed by Penn State and say, "Okay, that's never happening again." Yeah. Yeah. You
17:11 can't do that. That's why you pick the all black game for Akron is that you're pretty comfortable
17:19 you can win it. But yeah, that's one that it's hard to come back from wearing those again if
17:24 you lose this sort of game. Although I will say that I am getting a kick out of all the Purdue
17:28 fans online saying they're mad that Indiana is "stealing their colors" for the game.
17:36 Some people need to go outside more. Yeah. You know, if you don't want Indiana to take your
17:45 school colors, maybe you should pick some. You might want to look into picking school colors
17:49 at some point. Black is not a school color. Also, Purdue, I think you have some bigger
17:54 problems yourself about your football team. Yeah, it might be worth considering. One thing I think
17:59 that I'm interested to hear is, so kind of mentioning, what is the outline of how Akron
18:05 could win this game? What would have to happen, basically? What kind of plot of the game does the
18:11 game have to follow? I think that it probably comes down to Indiana struggling early to run
18:19 the ball against this defensive front. Very doable. Yeah, that playing out. Indiana getting
18:25 into a more pass-heavy situation early on in the game. And then Akron putting pressure on
18:30 Tavon Jackson and finding ways to create big plays for the defense, be it sacks, tackles for loss, or
18:37 turnovers. They need havoc. They need havoc rate. They need ways to steal possessions,
18:42 because on a down-by-down basis, Indiana is better, objectively. I think it starts with
18:48 the Akron defense. I think it starts with finding some ways to make big plays. And then offensively,
18:53 they got to get the ball out of the backfield. They really, really need to get the ball out of
18:58 the backfield quickly. And I think that's going to be really hard to do. They've not been good
19:02 at keeping D.J. Irons protected. He's not had a ton of time to throw. It has to be schemed up that
19:10 Alex Adams is getting the ball very quickly, that Daniel George is getting the ball very quickly,
19:14 that Josiah Gaithens is getting the ball very quickly. And they've done some of that. But
19:18 there's only so much you can do. Like I said, you can only run screens so many times.
19:22 Lorenzo Lingard as well. You have to find ways to get these guys involved that doesn't require
19:29 your quarterback standing upright for three seconds, because they're not really going to
19:32 have three seconds very often. I think it's breaking a couple of those quick passes for
19:37 big plays. And I think it's finding ways to create havoc on defense and make a young quarterback
19:42 uncomfortable, make an offense uncomfortable, and stealing some possessions. I think it's
19:47 probably low scoring if Akron's going to do it. Like a 24-20 kind of game, 25-27-20,
19:54 that sort of thing. But I don't think that it's like, you know, it's not just playing upright
20:00 and playing straight up and winning the game just on matchups. Akron's not going to do that. It's
20:05 finding ways to create disadvantages for Indiana. Yeah, and it just feels so hard to think of their
20:12 offense. Like if they're having trouble keeping Irons protected, that's going to happen. Mainly
20:17 because, again, if this is last year's Indiana team, they probably have a better chance. But
20:20 they really did do a good job kind of revamping the defensive side of the defense. Again,
20:25 like what it's going back to is that they are a lot bigger on IU's defense line. Andre Carter,
20:31 the Western Michigan transfer, has just been an absolute monster. Like everything that they
20:35 thought he could be, just like no one can keep, there's like a million sounds going on in the
20:40 background at my apartment. But like, he's been everything they thought he could be. And then
20:46 Aaron Casey, you know, after finally getting some play last year, it's like,
20:49 looked all Big Ten level, like no one can really stop him at all. And that again, that's I think
20:55 if you're going to beat this Indiana defense, like the advantage would be like, like we saw
21:00 Jamari Thrash getting to the outside having these like dynamic playmakers, because they're not a
21:04 very fast defense. They're very excited not want to get run over anymore. So they really bulked up.
21:08 They are not exactly like a twitchy unit, like obviously, the defensive backs are a few guys
21:13 there. But really is a defense that you need to beat with speed. But if you just like try and
21:18 if you try and run straight up against them, or do you have any playmakers there?
21:21 That mean like Ohio State didn't mow them over that much. Yeah, they got a lot bigger up front.
21:28 Yeah, yeah. Akron does not have the pieces to do that. Yeah, either. Like I don't think many teams
21:33 will against the way that Indiana is built. It is very much you have to get the ball to somebody
21:38 like Alex Adams being a former four star guy who has that speed who can maybe make a play or two,
21:42 you have to get the ball in space to learn to lean guard, you have to find a way to
21:46 basically avoid playing on the line, you just need to take the line out of the game entirely,
21:51 because that's not a match. That's not ideal. Not ideal. What if we could get rid of line play from
21:56 football? Yeah, that's, that's basically the problem that Joe Moorhead has to try and solve
22:00 for this season is how do I best eliminate my offensive line from a consideration?
22:04 As a tough time, that's a tough problem to solve. Have them all show up sick and ask the ref like,
22:10 I don't know what you want me to do here. We just do seven on seven today. Would that be all right?
22:15 Yeah, I don't think Tom Allen would agree to that. I don't think he'd be okay with that one.
22:19 So I'm guessing like, I mean, I can ask you for a prediction here. Like I'm guessing like,
22:23 we both kind of say like, we think Akron is not going to get absolutely killed in this game,
22:28 but we're pretty confident Indiana has this one. Yeah, I think it's like 2810. I think
22:33 Indiana wins. I don't think that it feels great. Like I said, it's not really fun to play Akron.
22:38 It's not like, Oh, you just, no, no, it's not like, Oh wow. We got to got our, we got to get
22:44 our backups in the game. Oh, you know, we had, we had got so many snaps for so many guys. Like,
22:48 no, it's probably going to be pretty close going into the third and fourth quarter. And then
22:51 the talent of the depth of at Indiana will take over and they'll pull away. But yeah, I think
22:57 like 2810, 2813, something like that. It's, it's something that, you know, Indiana fans, I think
23:01 would be probably upset about after the game because of what Akron is, but I really, it's not
23:06 that big of a deal. Just win the game. I feel like, cause I was like, I've told you before I
23:10 was raised in Ohio state fed too. Having like Ohio's of her graduated from Ohio state. And yeah,
23:16 I think that's like having watched a lot of Ohio state grow up. That's that part of ourselves
23:19 talking where we're so used to seeing Ohio state teams, like, and fans be upset after like
23:24 multi-score wins. Like I think Indiana fans are just a W is a W. Yeah. I think it's more normal
23:31 schools. They're like, you know what? Like it's like the NFL, like as long as I move on to the
23:37 next week and like my record did not get, this was a big, it's a great week. Yeah. Indiana just
23:42 wants to contend for the AFC North wildcard spot. That's all there. That's all they're interested
23:46 in. They might have a better shot at it than those other three teams, but that's fine. There's no
23:50 way I would be upset if India and Akron is as poorly played as Steelers Browns was last night.
23:55 I don't know if you can guess, but if you heard about it, it was, I would also be upset about
23:59 that. I'm a Browns fan. I would be very upset about that. I would try to avoid that if I could.
24:04 Every like update, like, so I was like half watching half in and out working and stuff
24:07 like that, but kept like turning it on at certain points. Every like message I got from a Steelers
24:12 or Browns person, like read, like a natural catastrophe had occurred. Pretty much. Yeah.
24:16 Opened up in the earth. Yeah. It was unpleasant. I would say it was a very unpleasant experience
24:23 to watch that football game. I don't wish that on Indiana or Akron fans. I hope that this is not an
24:28 unpleasant football game. Honestly, like that should just be the motto going forward for every,
24:34 every Indiana football. I hope this is unpleasant. Just keep it pleasant. It doesn't need it. Doesn't
24:39 win or lose. Just keep it pleasant. It doesn't need to be nasty. Nothing untoward. Honestly,
24:44 at this point, like we were talking about this on our last episode, like I still don't know if this
24:50 Indiana team is amazing, but the way the rest of the big 10 looks like I, it feels more and more
24:54 possible that they could actually win more games than more people think they do. Just cause like,
24:58 there's not that many good teams in this conference. Yeah. They, they have a couple
25:02 of the things that you really need to have. If you want to try and, you know, win a couple of
25:06 big 10 games, which is that they have good pass rushers and they have a quarterback who can make
25:10 plays. And there are a lot of teams in this conference who don't have either of those
25:13 things. There are a lot of teams that are just kind of sitting there. And yeah, somebody has
25:18 to win those games. You know, somebody has to beat Rutgers or somebody has to win the, you know,
25:22 Indiana Rutgers. Somebody has to beat Michigan state. There are teams in this league who can be
25:26 gotten just by having a couple of guys cause they don't have any. Yeah. No, that's pretty
25:32 much exactly what I probably said to you. Yeah. Well, I think that's all we got now for here on
25:37 Akron. Patrick, do you want to let people know where they can find you, where they can find all
25:40 your work, all that kind of stuff? Sure. Yeah. I'm, I'm at, I'm on Twitter at Patrick underscore
25:45 Mayhorn. I'm also, you can find my stuff at www.theagship.com for Utah state stuff and
25:52 meet@midfield.com for everything else that I, me and my, me and my buddy Ryan did that. We've got
25:58 the message board. We've got the premium posts. We've got the podcast over at Flipping the Field
26:02 where we talk about all the college football. I think that's about it. I've got, we've got a lot
26:07 of balls in the air. I'm juggling a lot of things right now, but I think that's all, I think that's
26:11 all I'm doing. Yeah. And I cannot endorse Flipping the Field enough. One of my favorite calls from
26:16 all podcasts, always a must listen after each and every weekend during the week, winning all the
26:20 games. Very different than this. I would say extremely, don't go into it thinking it's going
26:25 to be like this. It's very different. I will say if any, if you want like accuracy and like,
26:32 if any of you really care about like knowing a lot of college football, Patrick and Ryan told
26:36 me that Alabama was going to be like this well before it happened. So yeah, like that's, if you
26:41 don't want to be surprised, but instead just enjoy the retrospect, you can do that. Never wrong,
26:45 just early. That's, that's our sort of, that's our motto. We're not wrong. We're just going to
26:49 get there early. And we've been on it. If you are on, who cares? Shut up. Yeah, not my problem.
26:56 We just issue a redaction. That's not, not an issue anymore. Who cares, shut up,
27:01 feels like what you guys said as NC State progressively got worse last year. Yeah,
27:05 yeah. That one's off our hands. Not my problem anymore. That's for NC State to deal with.
27:11 We we, we, we dole out and retract our love very quickly on that show, but it's a good time.
27:16 And sometimes we're right. And other times we're early and eventually it will be right. Just if
27:20 you give it enough time and you know, they keep playing football someday, NC State's going to be
27:24 good and we're going to take credit for it. Sure. Keep telling. Well, thank you so much,
27:31 Patrick, for joining me on the show today. Everyone, thank you so much for listening to
27:35 the Hoosier Roundtable podcast. Thankfully we finally, you can listen to this on Spotify now.
27:40 We were having some trouble with that earlier, but it'll be up there now too. And if you want
27:44 to watch it here in video format, we'll be up on our website, Hoosiersnow.com, where you can read
27:48 all of my work about covering any of football, men's basketball, women's basketball, same thing
27:52 for Jack Ankeny, my usual co-host for the show. And yeah, thank you all for listening.