A MILLION BOXERS ARE DUCKING SHAKUR STEVENSON

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00:00:00 Listen man, this is a million dollars worth of game, man.

00:00:01 Boxing edition with the one, the only,

00:00:04 Shakur Stevenson, man, Jersey's finest, man.

00:00:06 Listen, this boy right here, man,

00:00:08 he been ducking me for a while.

00:00:09 I don't know why.

00:00:10 (laughing)

00:00:11 I tried to spar him in all different types of states.

00:00:13 You know, I don't know where we had to get commissioned,

00:00:15 or laws, there's always an excuse, you know what I mean?

00:00:18 Sometimes it's my ACL, sometimes, you know what I mean?

00:00:21 I don't know, I just don't know.

00:00:23 But these young boys keep ducking me in gil.

00:00:24 I don't know why.

00:00:26 You know, but I know that's the sport of boxing now.

00:00:28 Everybody's ducking, you know what I mean?

00:00:30 The logo of boxing should be duck.

00:00:33 Now, I'm gonna get straight to it.

00:00:35 Why people keep ducking you?

00:00:36 Like, what's going on, man?

00:00:38 Why they keep ducking you, man?

00:00:40 - I think, man, I think boxing got a bunch of softies.

00:00:45 I think it's a lot of softies who don't wanna lose.

00:00:49 Like, a lot of people who don't wanna lose.

00:00:51 And the thing with me, I embarrass a lot of fighters,

00:00:54 so I watch my fights, I beat people up and embarrass them.

00:00:58 So I don't think people wanna be embarrassed.

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00:03:56 Did you think, do you think Floyd

00:03:58 played a major part in that though?

00:04:00 People not wanting to lose,

00:04:01 because so many of the young fighters now look up to Floyd.

00:04:04 And Floyd was so big on, I never lost, I never lost,

00:04:09 I never lost, I never lost.

00:04:11 So, you know, fighters before Floyd,

00:04:14 a loss didn't, it didn't determine who you was.

00:04:17 It was the best fought the best.

00:04:19 You might've had an off night, you lose, you lose.

00:04:22 But now the younger fighters after Floyd,

00:04:24 everybody whole thing is, I'm undefeated.

00:04:28 I can't be beat.

00:04:30 I ain't, you think Floyd played a major role in that?

00:04:33 - I think Floyd played a big role in that,

00:04:35 but like with me, I think it's a lot different.

00:04:38 Like, honestly, like my honest opinion

00:04:40 when it comes to stuff like that,

00:04:42 I'm not, like, I'm not scared of taking chances.

00:04:45 Like I'm not, scared money don't make no money.

00:04:48 So I'm not scared to put everything on the line.

00:04:52 Like losing don't, don't, don't give me fear.

00:04:55 I'm the type of person I want to take every risk that I can.

00:04:58 I want to challenge myself.

00:04:59 I want to, I like competition.

00:05:01 Competition like makes me thrive.

00:05:02 So honestly, I do think Floyd played a part in that,

00:05:06 but you can't blame him.

00:05:07 - No, I ain't blaming him.

00:05:08 I'm saying that's just his personality,

00:05:10 but you know, when a lot of times when you,

00:05:13 somebody and you look up to somebody,

00:05:15 - Yeah.

00:05:15 - You want to be like that person.

00:05:17 You want to be similar to that person.

00:05:18 - Everybody want to be like Floyd.

00:05:19 - Right. You know what I mean?

00:05:20 You kind of take on what he took on.

00:05:22 Like, yeah, I'm, I'm undefeated.

00:05:24 Yeah. That was a big thing about Floyd.

00:05:26 Like nobody can't beat me.

00:05:27 - But we can't forget that there was other great fighters

00:05:30 in our generation.

00:05:32 I mean, in other generations, like Sugar Ray Leonard,

00:05:35 Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran,

00:05:37 fighters who-

00:05:38 - Wasn't undefeated.

00:05:39 - For everybody.

00:05:40 - Everybody.

00:05:41 - They wasn't undefeated and they are great.

00:05:43 - Absolutely.

00:05:44 - They are legends in the sport of boxing.

00:05:45 - To me, to me, the greatest fighter of all time

00:05:49 is Muhammad Ali.

00:05:50 He got a bunch of losses,

00:05:51 but just the trials and tribulations

00:05:53 that he had to go through,

00:05:54 the setbacks that he had to go through,

00:05:56 him not even allowing to be great in his prime

00:06:00 because of the situations he had to go through

00:06:03 and then him still come out and be who he is.

00:06:06 You know, that, that just did a lot for,

00:06:08 not only boxing, but a lot for black people.

00:06:11 - Yeah, I think, I think you can't really pinpoint

00:06:14 one greatest of all time.

00:06:15 - Right, right.

00:06:16 - Just because of the fact that it's opinionated.

00:06:18 - Absolutely.

00:06:19 - My opinion-

00:06:20 - That's what I said, my opinion.

00:06:21 - My opinion as of right now, I'm going to go with Floyd.

00:06:23 Just because that was who I seen in my generation.

00:06:26 But other people that's older than me,

00:06:28 they be thinking Muhammad Ali.

00:06:31 - Sugar Ray Leonard.

00:06:32 - Sugar Ray Robinson.

00:06:33 - Robinson, yeah.

00:06:33 - That's who I heard a lot.

00:06:34 - He was, he was, he was smooth.

00:06:35 He was that guy, Mike Tyson.

00:06:36 He got a lot of people, but like,

00:06:38 I think, I think people be over,

00:06:39 overdoing the whole losses.

00:06:40 Like, you know, I think you still could be a great fighter

00:06:44 if you go in there and every,

00:06:45 'cause people, right, you got wins, you can have losses.

00:06:48 You got full, if you get in there and you go in,

00:06:51 people is always going to pay,

00:06:52 they going to pay their pay-per-view to see you

00:06:53 'cause they know you coming and you ain't playing.

00:06:55 Like, like for instance, me, my personal record,

00:06:57 you know, people, people that know me know

00:06:59 mixed martial artists and they, I'm a great fighter.

00:07:01 I'm seven to 31, but I still came through to do,

00:07:04 I didn't get them 31 fights, you know,

00:07:06 I did what I needed to do.

00:07:07 - Did you fight everybody though?

00:07:09 - I fought everybody I needed to fight.

00:07:10 So it was like, it was, you know.

00:07:11 - Did you fight the best though?

00:07:13 - I got 31 losses, man.

00:07:15 - It was all a journey, man.

00:07:17 - But I'm just saying, I wasn't scared to fight nobody though.

00:07:20 - He was a loser.

00:07:21 - People be scared, people be scared,

00:07:22 listen, this is what I'm saying.

00:07:24 Everybody is scared to fight.

00:07:26 I can't even, I didn't, listen,

00:07:27 I'm going to be straight up,

00:07:28 I wasn't seasoned in the business of boxing.

00:07:30 I'm still not that well versed,

00:07:32 but I'm just saying from understanding on the aspect,

00:07:34 I'm like, damn, how you just could,

00:07:36 I thought they supposed to fight them.

00:07:38 The number one team played the number one team, right?

00:07:40 The play, it's like, I think like the playoffs.

00:07:42 Oh damn, they ready to fight.

00:07:43 Gil like, no, they ain't going to fight.

00:07:45 Why? Because this promoter,

00:07:46 or this ain't happening, this ain't,

00:07:47 this much, this much.

00:07:48 So my whole thing is, when you and Devin going to fight?

00:07:51 - I mean, at the end of the day, I want to fight.

00:07:55 Like I'm a fighter.

00:07:57 I love boxing.

00:07:58 I love boxing.

00:08:00 All I do is sit and watch boxing all day, every day.

00:08:05 I came up, well, I came up, we for everybody.

00:08:08 You know me for going to spar everybody

00:08:11 in the entire world, right?

00:08:12 I go spar any fighter you can think of,

00:08:15 I done been in the ring with.

00:08:17 That's because I'm not scared.

00:08:18 I'm a fighter who I want to challenge myself

00:08:20 against the best.

00:08:21 I always been that way.

00:08:22 Me and Devin is not fighting because of Devin.

00:08:25 Devin and them had they little situation

00:08:29 that they try to throw out there some little chump change.

00:08:31 - What's chump change? Is it percentage?

00:08:33 - Yeah, chump change is, I'll tell you exactly what it is.

00:08:36 They offer me less than I made in my last three fights

00:08:40 for supposedly the biggest fight of my career.

00:08:43 I didn't--

00:08:44 - So you mean all three fights together,

00:08:45 less than them three?

00:08:47 - Less than my last three fights was,

00:08:50 I ain't gonna get into the numbers.

00:08:52 - You ain't seen the money.

00:08:53 Don't get into money.

00:08:54 But you just saying the last three fights together,

00:08:55 this is gonna be less than.

00:08:56 - No, no, no.

00:08:57 He's saying the last three fights,

00:08:58 like so say if I made X amount of money this fight,

00:09:00 then I made X amount of money this fight,

00:09:02 then I made X amount of money this fight.

00:09:04 And then now I'm supposed to be fighting,

00:09:06 this supposed to be a big fight,

00:09:07 but y'all trying to give me less than what I made

00:09:09 in them three fights?

00:09:10 - I fought Yoshino, I fought Oscar Valdez,

00:09:14 I fought Robson, Kunaseisai.

00:09:16 I made more in them fights

00:09:18 than what I was offered to fight him.

00:09:19 - Let me ask you a question.

00:09:20 - But hold on, but they put it in the media

00:09:22 that they offered you 25%--

00:09:23 - And that's a lie.

00:09:24 - Okay, okay.

00:09:25 - They did offer me, that's true.

00:09:27 - They put it in the media.

00:09:28 I don't know if they put it in the media.

00:09:31 I ain't going to say that, I'm going to say

00:09:32 it was in the media.

00:09:33 Right, it was in the media.

00:09:35 That's why we going to straighten it out now.

00:09:36 That they gave you 25% that,

00:09:39 and that 25% would have came out to be more money

00:09:43 than you ever made.

00:09:45 That was the reports in the media.

00:09:46 - And they put a specific number out there too.

00:09:49 - Like eight million or some shit.

00:09:50 - They say eight million.

00:09:51 - I see everything.

00:09:52 - So if it was eight million, right,

00:09:54 how much would he have made?

00:09:56 - Let me ask you a question.

00:09:57 - 32 million.

00:09:58 - Right, all right.

00:09:59 - It would have been what, 32, right?

00:10:02 Something like that, 32 million and I would have got eight.

00:10:04 - Or 24 million.

00:10:06 - Whatever it was, 24.

00:10:07 - Yeah, because if he giving you 25,

00:10:08 he taking--

00:10:09 - You right, you right, you right.

00:10:10 Smart man, smart man.

00:10:10 But look, 24, you think he was making 24 million dollars

00:10:13 versus me, top rank is doing the fight.

00:10:16 Top rank is doing the fight.

00:10:17 How in the world would I be,

00:10:20 if I was offered eight million, I'm jumping.

00:10:22 Jump, quick, quick, quick, come on.

00:10:24 Eight million, let's do it.

00:10:26 Set it up.

00:10:27 - You know what, this is what I'm wondering.

00:10:29 This lie, there's so many lies.

00:10:31 - No doubt in your mind,

00:10:33 and I'm going to flip it up,

00:10:36 no doubt in your mind,

00:10:37 you getting in the ring, you beating Devin Haney.

00:10:41 Now, is there another one after that?

00:10:45 - Let me ask you a question then.

00:10:46 I'm going to answer your question with a question.

00:10:49 Do you have two eyes?

00:10:50 - Yes.

00:10:51 - Can you pay attention to boxing,

00:10:53 look at him and look at me?

00:10:54 - I actually got three, I got three,

00:10:56 but that's another story.

00:10:57 But I'm going to say this--

00:10:57 - You better look at me though.

00:10:59 I'm a way better fighter than him.

00:11:01 He's not on my level.

00:11:02 - Now I'm going to say this.

00:11:03 If you know you a better fighter than him,

00:11:06 I know money is money, you got money,

00:11:08 you got a bag, you're not broke.

00:11:10 Why not say, you know what,

00:11:11 I'm going to take that to beat your ass

00:11:12 and take you home?

00:11:13 - I didn't say no, I went to another direction,

00:11:16 'cause that's the twist narrative,

00:11:17 'cause they only focus on one thing.

00:11:20 I went another direction.

00:11:21 I said, okay, I'm going to enforce the WBC to do their job.

00:11:24 So I enforced my mandatory.

00:11:26 Once I enforced my mandatory,

00:11:27 this man gave up the belt and moved up to 140.

00:11:31 Who is ducking who?

00:11:32 I didn't say, okay, I hear y'all a little offer,

00:11:37 cool, I'm going to just go this route,

00:11:39 I'm going to go this way.

00:11:41 I do that and then this man moves up to 140.

00:11:44 I can't control what this man do.

00:11:46 I can't control what other fighters do.

00:11:48 Y'all clearly see, there's a million people

00:11:50 that don't want to fight me.

00:11:52 There's a million fighters that don't want

00:11:53 to get in the ring with me.

00:11:54 - Is it frustrating sometimes,

00:11:55 or do you ever say to yourself,

00:11:56 I'm not going to get that big fight I deserve?

00:11:58 - It's stressful.

00:11:59 It's very stressful and frustrating

00:12:00 because this is what I do for a living.

00:12:02 I do this every day of my life.

00:12:04 I love boxing.

00:12:05 So at the end of the day, it's stressful, it's frustrating,

00:12:10 but I believe in God and I know that God is,

00:12:14 God has everything written down already.

00:12:17 So what's happening right now is meant to happen.

00:12:20 And what's going to happen in the future for me

00:12:22 is going to happen the way that it's supposed to happen.

00:12:24 - Yo, listen, who the top five fighters

00:12:26 you want to fight right now?

00:12:27 Like, yo, what's like right now I want to fight y'all?

00:12:30 - Number one, Tank.

00:12:33 - Okay.

00:12:34 - I mean, honestly, number one, Tank.

00:12:35 Me and Tank is the best fight.

00:12:38 I think that's the fight.

00:12:39 You could name 15 other fighters,

00:12:41 but it's one fight that truthfully need to happen.

00:12:44 - What's stopping that fight?

00:12:45 - I don't know.

00:12:46 I can't tell you.

00:12:47 I'm not Tank at the end of the day.

00:12:50 I'm going to be like, I'm a real nigga.

00:12:52 So I'm going to tell y'all the real, the truth.

00:12:54 I'm not Tank.

00:12:55 He's the big star.

00:12:56 He's the pay-per-view star.

00:12:58 I can't throw no offers to Tank.

00:13:00 I'm not, who am I to throw an offer

00:13:02 to the biggest star in boxing?

00:13:04 What I'm offering him, what?

00:13:06 Like, it don't make sense.

00:13:07 So that will have to be on their part,

00:13:10 on their team to want to do that.

00:13:13 I want to do it.

00:13:14 I would love that fight.

00:13:15 I think that's the best fight in boxing

00:13:17 if we speaking like skills wise.

00:13:18 He's not going to tell y'all that

00:13:19 because however he be thinking,

00:13:22 he think the way that he think.

00:13:23 But me, truthfully, I think that's the best fight in boxing.

00:13:26 And I want to prove to the world who I truly am.

00:13:29 So you can name five fighters,

00:13:31 but all them other dudes don't matter.

00:13:33 There's one person I really got my mind on

00:13:35 at the end of the day that I really want to fight

00:13:37 when it come down to it.

00:13:38 - You be training all the time.

00:13:39 You so eager to fight,

00:13:40 but it's like every time a fight pop up, it disappear.

00:13:44 - 'Cause (beep) is (beep)

00:13:46 - What happened with Frank Martin?

00:13:47 - He (beep) he's a (beep)

00:13:48 He's a (beep)

00:13:49 That (beep) is a straight (beep)

00:13:51 I never seen nobody more (beep) made than Frank Martin.

00:13:55 Frank Martin is the most (beep) in the world.

00:13:58 Like I done DM this.

00:13:59 Mind you, I would never had that thought

00:14:01 if I didn't have a DM conversation with the (beep)

00:14:04 I talked to this (beep) on the DMs.

00:14:05 I explained this man, look,

00:14:07 this is how much money the fight is.

00:14:09 We, me and you, you're not that big of a name, bro.

00:14:12 You don't bring none to the table.

00:14:14 I'm, I'm the name.

00:14:16 So this how much the fight is worth.

00:14:19 This man sat there in the DMs after I told him,

00:14:21 I told him, look, I'm getting this much, you get this much.

00:14:24 He tried to act like it wasn't 25%, but it is.

00:14:27 He won, he won 50/50.

00:14:32 50/50 or he's not fighting me.

00:14:34 And it don't make sense, that don't make sense to me.

00:14:36 Like, why would I fight Frank Martin?

00:14:38 He never won a title.

00:14:39 He never been in a,

00:14:40 he never even, he never done nothing in the sport of boxing.

00:14:44 - No, I like Frank Martin as a fighter.

00:14:46 - He's a (beep)

00:14:47 I don't think that, you know,

00:14:49 in a person dispute with you,

00:14:53 I don't think he should get 50%.

00:14:55 - He don't think that.

00:14:57 He just scared.

00:14:58 He's not going to fight unless it's a cash out number.

00:15:02 Just like other fighters,

00:15:03 Lemachanko was offered the most money

00:15:05 in his career to fight me.

00:15:07 Why not fight me?

00:15:09 The most, you're older, it's the end of your career.

00:15:12 Why not take the most money in your career to fight

00:15:15 in one of the biggest fights in boxing?

00:15:16 Why not?

00:15:18 - Is the purse dispute the new duck?

00:15:21 - Yes.

00:15:22 - That's a new form of ducking?

00:15:23 - Yes, because

00:15:24 - Asking for something that you know you not,

00:15:25 that you know you not even on the level of getting,

00:15:28 that's just a new way of saying, I don't want to fight you.

00:15:30 - I mean, honestly, you got to understand,

00:15:33 like with Frank Martin, let me explain this too.

00:15:35 Cause I forgot to say this.

00:15:37 I'm going to tell you his person,

00:15:40 I'm going to be real about the whole situation.

00:15:43 His highest payday was 250,000.

00:15:46 We offered him a million dollars.

00:15:48 250,000 four times.

00:15:52 That mean we offered him quadruple more

00:15:54 than he ever made in his entire career.

00:15:57 This man agreed, and I don't know if it was him who agreed.

00:16:00 I think it was his team.

00:16:02 His team agreed to the fight and then pulled out the fight.

00:16:05 How is that not a duck?

00:16:07 That mean you're scared for your life, bro.

00:16:09 - But would it be better for him not to fight you?

00:16:12 Keep fighting dudes that not on your level,

00:16:14 get his jacket beefed up more and still get the money

00:16:16 without taking the L and taking the million dollars.

00:16:18 - Because guess what?

00:16:19 He's going to go fight.

00:16:20 No, I disagree with that.

00:16:21 Cause his next fight, he going to go fight

00:16:23 somebody probably never heard of

00:16:25 and make another $250,000 or 275

00:16:30 when he could have been fighting me.

00:16:32 But truthfully, when it really come down to it,

00:16:34 I think fighters just don't believe in themself.

00:16:36 Fighters don't believe in, cause I'm.

00:16:38 - I mean, the only reason why I,

00:16:40 cause I heard Frank say that he want to fight you.

00:16:43 - But he don't believe in himself.

00:16:44 - But no, I'm saying before even y'all was even,

00:16:47 even talking about.

00:16:48 - And he spoke on my situation.

00:16:49 - Yeah, I heard.

00:16:50 - That man spoke on my situation

00:16:52 with me and Devin trying to chime in on his thoughts.

00:16:55 - I seen it.

00:16:56 - On the situation he don't know nothing about.

00:16:58 And then now he in the situation

00:17:00 and his goofy ass up and fool.

00:17:03 - I'm going to say this.

00:17:04 He said something right.

00:17:05 Fighters don't believe in themself

00:17:07 because them 31 fights that I lost,

00:17:09 I always believed that I could win.

00:17:11 - What the fuck?

00:17:12 - I believed that I could win.

00:17:13 - You couldn't.

00:17:14 - It wasn't about that, it was about belief.

00:17:16 He said something very important.

00:17:17 - Man, you should have stopped after the time.

00:17:18 - No, no, no.

00:17:19 - Right, right, he got knocked out.

00:17:19 - I thought I was, I just needed that one win,

00:17:21 but I beat the first seven, 31 I lost.

00:17:24 But my whole thing is like this though.

00:17:25 It's like, he said something very important.

00:17:29 They know, people be knowing what time it is.

00:17:31 You see what I'm saying?

00:17:33 - And let me say this.

00:17:35 - They don't believe in themselves.

00:17:36 - That's why, that's why you got to respect somebody

00:17:39 like Errol Spence.

00:17:41 - Exactly.

00:17:42 - You got to respect him because he took a nice ass

00:17:47 with it, man, just keeping it real.

00:17:49 - And he was not stopping.

00:17:50 - And he was not stopping.

00:17:52 He gave it everything he got,

00:17:54 and then he activated his rematch clause.

00:17:56 - Because he's a dog.

00:17:57 - You got to respect a dog like that.

00:17:59 You got to be like, dog salute,

00:18:02 because you really a dog, you really, bro.

00:18:07 In boxing, bro, the worst thing you could do in boxing, bro,

00:18:11 is go out on your stool.

00:18:13 I don't want to fight no more.

00:18:16 That's like the ultimate.

00:18:18 - I am, he didn't do that.

00:18:19 - You feel what I'm saying?

00:18:20 Like, even when the ref was like, Errol was like,

00:18:24 like, what you mean?

00:18:26 Like, good dog, it's over, bro.

00:18:28 He had a better night than you tonight.

00:18:30 So, you can't, you can't, you got to respect Shakur

00:18:37 because he just don't, he's a call tank out,

00:18:42 and he's just trying to get a payday.

00:18:46 No, they going to sleep.

00:18:48 He really think he going to win.

00:18:52 It's a difference.

00:18:53 You got to respect Boots,

00:18:55 because Bud is a bad mother,

00:18:57 but Boots would take that fight at the drop of a dime.

00:19:02 Like, let's go, because I'm willing,

00:19:06 if you beat me on that night,

00:19:10 I'm willing to say you a bad mother.

00:19:12 - Facts, facts.

00:19:14 - You got me.

00:19:15 - Facts.

00:19:15 - You feel what I'm saying?

00:19:18 And that's really what sports is about.

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00:19:36 when that mother and bell go ding,

00:19:38 they both going to go,

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00:21:31 - I feel like only way somebody gonna fight me

00:21:34 if I go have a bad performance.

00:21:36 - Absolutely.

00:21:37 If you go in there and you get touched up,

00:21:39 everybody gonna come looking for you.

00:21:39 - And that's not happening.

00:21:41 - Hey.

00:21:43 - Everybody gonna come looking for you

00:21:44 if you go in there and you get touched up.

00:21:45 - Facts.

00:21:46 - Because, let's be for real,

00:21:49 what fight was it

00:21:51 after Isai Cruz first fight with Tank?

00:21:57 You see a bunch of mother(beep)

00:21:58 start to call Tank out.

00:22:00 'Cause that was one of the first (beep)

00:22:02 you seen that he didn't ice.

00:22:03 He didn't, so he was like, "Hold."

00:22:06 So that's how it go.

00:22:07 You go in there, you have a,

00:22:09 "Yeah, look."

00:22:10 Dev go in there, he get rocked with one punch

00:22:13 by Linares.

00:22:15 And do a little walk over to the corner,

00:22:17 get his (beep) together.

00:22:19 He cool the rest of the fight.

00:22:20 - But they still looking at Dev like,

00:22:21 "I got a shot at him."

00:22:22 - Boots go in there, he fighting a (beep)

00:22:24 that ran for 12 rounds straight.

00:22:27 I'm talking about nonstop.

00:22:28 - That's different though.

00:22:29 - This (beep) was in the best shape of his life.

00:22:30 - That's different though.

00:22:31 - You feel what I'm saying?

00:22:32 He won every round and just talk shit like--

00:22:35 - Nah, but people still knew Boots was a--

00:22:37 - Dangerous (beep)

00:22:38 - Yeah, but still the media still talk (beep)

00:22:41 - For sure.

00:22:42 - He didn't put on a performance.

00:22:44 Bro, I just fought--

00:22:45 - That's the life we live.

00:22:46 - Another professional grown man

00:22:47 that didn't throw no punches,

00:22:48 didn't give me no opportunities for counter punches.

00:22:51 And all he did was run from side to side.

00:22:53 - But then he get in there with Villa.

00:22:55 I'm gonna say this.

00:22:56 - Ooh, he smoked.

00:22:56 - But hold, hold, hold.

00:22:57 Let me say this.

00:22:58 We was in the back when it was over.

00:23:01 This boy Villa, he's a different type of monster.

00:23:04 He wasn't taking no wheelchairs.

00:23:05 He just was on some, he was a savage man.

00:23:09 Seeing that fight and seeing how he just kept going,

00:23:11 kept going, kept--

00:23:12 - And that's a perfect example of somebody

00:23:14 who got in the ring and lost.

00:23:16 - And lost.

00:23:17 - And I left that arena--

00:23:18 - He put on a line and you respect that.

00:23:19 - I left that arena with--

00:23:21 - A lot of respect.

00:23:22 - I left that arena a Villa fan.

00:23:24 - Yup.

00:23:25 - Like that (beep) is a gangster.

00:23:26 - Facts.

00:23:27 - I took a hellacious ass whooping and did not fool,

00:23:31 did not give up.

00:23:32 - Quit nothing.

00:23:33 - Did not quit.

00:23:34 - Kept trying.

00:23:35 - I left the arena with more respect for the dude.

00:23:38 So, okay.

00:23:40 - That's why I respect Earl so much.

00:23:42 I think Earl--

00:23:43 - Earl's a monster.

00:23:43 - He's a legend.

00:23:44 People gotta give Earl Smith his respect

00:23:47 because Earl Smith is a legend.

00:23:49 - Absolutely.

00:23:49 - His mentality is, it comes second to none.

00:23:52 - Right.

00:23:53 - Nobody has that mentality you got.

00:23:54 - Nobody.

00:23:55 - And I'm gonna say this too,

00:23:57 let's give Terrence Crawford his flowers

00:23:59 because everything he said he was gonna do--

00:24:03 - He done it.

00:24:03 - He did it.

00:24:04 - Bud the Greatest.

00:24:06 - He done it.

00:24:07 - My eyes.

00:24:08 - And he was confident on the comp

00:24:09 even when he came to our show.

00:24:11 - Well, he definitely one of the greatest

00:24:13 just in his aculetes alone.

00:24:16 He's done shit that Floyd Mayweather ain't done.

00:24:18 - Yeah.

00:24:19 - Like what?

00:24:20 - Like what?

00:24:21 - Lordy is the don't know.

00:24:22 - He is a two time--

00:24:23 - Two time undisputed champion.

00:24:24 - Floyd was a one time undisputed champion.

00:24:27 So he has all the belts in one division

00:24:31 and then moved up and got all the belts in another division.

00:24:35 I don't know if that's ever happened

00:24:36 in the history of boxing.

00:24:38 - Yes, and he beat the man.

00:24:40 - And he beat the man to do it.

00:24:42 Earl was the man.

00:24:44 Earl was the top dog.

00:24:45 Earl had the three belts.

00:24:47 He had the WBO, you feel what I'm saying?

00:24:50 So if it come down,

00:24:52 so if Terrence Crawford fight 10 more times

00:24:57 and he go 50 and 0

00:25:00 and two time undisputed champion

00:25:03 and a champion three weight division champion

00:25:06 'cause he had a belt at 135,

00:25:08 is he the greatest fighter of all time?

00:25:10 - I mean, yeah.

00:25:14 I would say in my eyes, yeah.

00:25:16 - Listen, what if Terrence Crawford don't go 50 and 0?

00:25:19 What if he go 44 and 0?

00:25:21 But he go 44 and 0,

00:25:23 okay, Floyd, you got six more fights

00:25:25 'cause you said Floyd is the best fighter in your eyes.

00:25:27 Floyd, you got six more fights than me,

00:25:29 but I got 10 more belts than you.

00:25:32 - I mean, like I said with Bud,

00:25:35 I think when it comes to Bud,

00:25:38 I think a lot of people took credit away

00:25:40 from a lot of his wins.

00:25:42 Like I feel like when they kept throwing it out there

00:25:44 that he didn't fight nobody.

00:25:46 - Well, he did.

00:25:48 - I disagree with that.

00:25:49 - Bro.

00:25:50 - I disagree with that.

00:25:51 - Why do people say that?

00:25:52 - That logic is terrible.

00:25:53 - Anybody you get in a ring with

00:25:55 is a chance you'll lose.

00:25:56 - He didn't fight nobody that was on that level.

00:25:59 That's what we saying.

00:26:00 - No.

00:26:00 - He didn't fight nobody.

00:26:01 - That shit don't mean nothing to me.

00:26:02 - You can get in a ring with a C-plus fighter

00:26:05 and if he clip you good enough,

00:26:07 you can go to sleep.

00:26:08 So he fought somebody.

00:26:10 But come on, bro.

00:26:10 - I think he fought people.

00:26:12 - Julius Ndongo.

00:26:13 - We can't, that's the,

00:26:14 you named the worst person on the resume.

00:26:16 - Victor Postal.

00:26:17 - That's a bad name.

00:26:19 - That ain't a good, that ain't a-

00:26:20 - During that time.

00:26:21 - In order to say-

00:26:22 - I'm saying during that time when he fought him.

00:26:24 - He was overhyped.

00:26:26 - He was overhyped?

00:26:27 What?

00:26:28 He had-

00:26:28 - Victor Postal is like-

00:26:29 - What's that?

00:26:30 - You know you talking to a boxing fan, right?

00:26:31 - Yeah, I'm a boxing fan too.

00:26:33 - Victor Postal's like this.

00:26:35 - A lot of people couldn't deal with that.

00:26:38 A lot of people can't deal with that style.

00:26:40 A lot of people can't deal with that style.

00:26:42 - They can't deal with that.

00:26:43 - Come on, man.

00:26:43 - A lot of people can't deal with that boxing style.

00:26:44 He's jumping up in the air.

00:26:46 He's a boxer, know how to use his range and his distance.

00:26:49 A lot of people can't deal with that style.

00:26:51 - In order for me, this is how I look at it.

00:26:54 In order for me to say, you know, you beat top tier,

00:26:58 you gotta say, okay, well what did they do in the sport?

00:27:01 - No, no, you can't, 'cause let me tell you

00:27:03 what the problem is.

00:27:04 Now this is where everything gets messed up.

00:27:06 Hold on, hold on.

00:27:07 This is where everything gets messed up.

00:27:08 When after somebody fights Bud Crawford,

00:27:11 the fight is not the same.

00:27:13 So you can't judge what they done after they fought

00:27:16 Bud Crawford because he done messed them up.

00:27:19 Mentally, physically, everywhere.

00:27:21 - Well, maybe you know more than me on that tip.

00:27:22 - That's all I'm trying to tell you.

00:27:24 - So you saying Errol Spence not gonna be the same

00:27:26 in his next fight?

00:27:27 - I'm not disrespecting Errol like that.

00:27:28 I'm just saying as far as in the past history,

00:27:31 that I done seen fighters--

00:27:32 - Well, he just fought Bud though.

00:27:33 He just fought Bud.

00:27:34 You say anybody fight Bud, you just say anybody--

00:27:36 - It's different.

00:27:37 - It's different.

00:27:38 - It's different.

00:27:38 - Don't be backing down.

00:27:39 - Hey, look.

00:27:40 - You told me to ask you to--

00:27:42 - Errol is my brother.

00:27:43 - That's my brother too.

00:27:45 - So I'm sticking, you feel me?

00:27:46 I'm sticking that way.

00:27:47 But I just feel like anybody that fought Terrence Crawford,

00:27:52 after they fight him, they're not the same fighter.

00:27:54 - Terrence versus Floyd Naprom.

00:27:56 - Ooh, hell of a fight.

00:27:57 I can't give you that.

00:27:58 - What you mean?

00:27:59 You gotta give me this answer.

00:28:00 - I can't.

00:28:01 You're posing me right now.

00:28:02 - Now look, this is what I say.

00:28:02 - But this is what I say.

00:28:03 - Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:28:06 - Pretty Boy banging with Bud would have been hard as shit.

00:28:09 He couldn't go in there and have an all out war

00:28:11 'cause remember, Pretty Boy was when he fought

00:28:14 Demarcus "Chop Chop" Corley.

00:28:16 He went in there, he pressed "Chop Chop" out,

00:28:19 but he kinda got hurt.

00:28:20 What I'll do is I love Floyd, you know I love you, my guy.

00:28:24 But Bud, I don't think at that point in time,

00:28:27 Pretty Boy could have gotten a ring with Bud

00:28:29 'cause Bud was real strong.

00:28:30 Now Money May, his intelligence and the smartness

00:28:35 that he had and the boxer that he was,

00:28:37 I think that that would have been a hard fighter

00:28:39 for Bud to be in front of.

00:28:42 So it would have been like, it's a 50/50 fight for me.

00:28:45 I think that's a 50/50 fight.

00:28:46 - If they gave you 500,000 and said,

00:28:49 you gotta bet it today though, on a fight.

00:28:51 - I can't bet it.

00:28:52 - And they would say they proud.

00:28:53 But if they gave it to you and they said,

00:28:55 you gotta bet it, what you gonna say?

00:28:56 This ain't even your money.

00:28:57 (laughing)

00:28:58 - I couldn't bet it.

00:28:59 - And listen, if Bud is plus money, plus 165.

00:29:03 - I got you, you know what I'm gonna bet on?

00:29:04 I'm gonna bet on the drug.

00:29:05 - Oh man.

00:29:07 - I'm gonna bet on the drug.

00:29:08 - Is you serious?

00:29:09 Man.

00:29:10 - I can't pick that, that is hard to pick.

00:29:14 When somebody's so intelligent,

00:29:16 and then you got somebody like Bud that's a great boxer,

00:29:19 but he got power and both hands could switch.

00:29:21 And he's a southpaw.

00:29:23 But Floyd is the smartest fighter that I probably ever seen

00:29:26 in the history of boxing.

00:29:27 It's hard to give you a real answer.

00:29:30 - But you know they say,

00:29:31 you know they say at the age you are now, right?

00:29:34 They say when Floyd Mayweather was that age,

00:29:36 he got hit with 8% of the punches thrown at him.

00:29:39 - Yeah.

00:29:39 - You know they say you get hit with 4%

00:29:41 of the punches thrown at you.

00:29:43 Now my defense, my defense crazy though.

00:29:45 I got great defense.

00:29:46 - You know I was watching one fight,

00:29:48 you ain't get hit with a jab until the sixth round?

00:29:50 - For real?

00:29:51 I believe it.

00:29:52 Like I said, I got great defense.

00:29:53 - What fight was that?

00:29:54 - I forget, I watch all this shit.

00:29:58 - I got great defense, that's something that I like,

00:30:01 I grew up, like when my grandfather,

00:30:03 he always taught me the art of boxing,

00:30:06 is to hit and not get hit.

00:30:07 - Swim and don't get wet, baby.

00:30:09 - Exactly.

00:30:09 - Yeah.

00:30:10 - The way that I was brought up,

00:30:12 I always knew like, okay,

00:30:13 I want to be able to hit a fighter

00:30:15 and not let them hit me back.

00:30:17 And I trained myself every day out

00:30:20 to make sure that's how my style was.

00:30:22 And I know if I'm doing that,

00:30:25 I'm the best fighter in the world.

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00:33:42 - So who you supposed to be fighting next?

00:33:44 Is some rumors?

00:33:46 But I don't know. - Nah, it's already out there.

00:33:48 It's already out there.

00:33:49 It's Edwin De Los Santos.

00:33:53 - He called you out.

00:33:54 He came to Newark. - He be calling me out.

00:33:56 - He came to Newark, New Jersey, didn't he?

00:33:58 - He can't, he slid up on the,

00:33:59 he slid up on the, where he at?

00:34:00 - He slid up on Newark. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:01 - He slid down the back block.

00:34:02 - He, he, he, I ain't gonna lie.

00:34:04 - He not playing. - He ain't gonna lie.

00:34:04 - He was a little gangster for that.

00:34:06 - Yeah, he was, he was.

00:34:07 But look, he not so gangster because he was downtown.

00:34:11 - Oh, he was?

00:34:12 - He was downtown, come on, man.

00:34:13 - Oh, damn, I was down by the gallery.

00:34:15 - He was downtown.

00:34:16 - He took my video by City Hall.

00:34:17 - Yeah, he was right there by the Prudential.

00:34:19 He wasn't doing nothing, but look.

00:34:21 He called me out.

00:34:23 I answered the phone call.

00:34:25 Frank pulled out.

00:34:26 Next, best available opponent is Edwin De Los Santos.

00:34:30 He's a fighter with big power.

00:34:32 He's strong, he's a southpaw.

00:34:34 - Did he fight anybody?

00:34:35 - Yeah, I mean, he ain't fight nobody to my level.

00:34:38 - See, that's what I'm saying.

00:34:39 He said, they always, y'all say that nobody fight.

00:34:41 - What's his record?

00:34:42 - He's under, oh, no, no, he's 16 to one, 16 to one.

00:34:46 But I'm gonna tell you now, go watch him before y'all judge.

00:34:49 - Nah, I ain't judging. - We're not judging him.

00:34:50 We just saying. - No, no, listen, though.

00:34:52 He's a, he's a really, he's really, he's a solid fighter.

00:34:55 Strong power, Dominican, got good boxing skills,

00:34:59 good reflexes, but he's not gonna be able to beat me.

00:35:01 - Man, what's going on with you and Bill Haney, man?

00:35:04 - Man, Bill-- - Bill put,

00:35:05 I don't know, who put the video out of Bill saying,

00:35:08 if you get too hot, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

00:35:13 - Did you hear him, though?

00:35:14 Did you hear every word that he said?

00:35:16 - Yes. - Okay, so if you heard

00:35:18 every word that he said, why do he get sent

00:35:20 every interview speaking, he say my name all day, every day.

00:35:24 All you hear Bill talk about is Shakur.

00:35:27 Why do he talk about me so much?

00:35:29 Why, why is he so interested in me?

00:35:32 - Well, Bill might know the big money fight

00:35:35 is you and Devin in a couple years.

00:35:37 - Man, Bill is cap, Bill know that I smoke Devin.

00:35:40 And we gonna be real about the entire city.

00:35:43 He know that I smoke Devin, but he gotta do

00:35:46 what he gotta do for his son, so you gotta respect it,

00:35:48 but Bill is a (beep), he's a (beep).

00:35:51 That's why he tried to put that little video out of--

00:35:53 - Right, that was my next trick.

00:35:55 I know who's coming next, Gilly, I know.

00:35:58 He put the video out of the sparring

00:36:00 and I said what I said, right?

00:36:01 But look, did y'all watch my face?

00:36:04 Did y'all see what was going on on my face?

00:36:06 I was smiling at him, right?

00:36:08 Why was I smiling?

00:36:08 - Was you really tired?

00:36:10 - If I was tired-- - I'm just asking

00:36:12 'cause you said it. - Answer the question.

00:36:13 - If you say it, oh, I'm tired.

00:36:15 'Cause I'm gonna tell you, if I tell y'all I'm tired

00:36:16 and I throw that white flag, I'm throwing it.

00:36:18 This (beep) is hot in here.

00:36:19 - Answer the question, though.

00:36:20 - Go ahead.

00:36:21 - If somebody is dead tired, ready to quit

00:36:24 and get out the ring, are they smiling?

00:36:26 I know you been to the boxing gym.

00:36:30 You done seen some (beep)

00:36:32 - They be dead tired.

00:36:33 - Sometimes people smile when they nervous.

00:36:36 Sometimes people smile when they nervous.

00:36:38 You know how you laugh in the dentist?

00:36:39 You be in there, "Hm."

00:36:40 - Nervous, why?

00:36:41 What's going on with this man's sparring?

00:36:43 - I'm just saying, you know.

00:36:45 - Me and this man sparred, I wanna say,

00:36:46 three times that week.

00:36:48 I wanna say that was the last day.

00:36:51 I just did eight rounds with him.

00:36:52 I've been doing, I done done 10 rounds, eight rounds,

00:36:55 however many rounds he wanted all week.

00:36:57 I got off on him, beat him up again.

00:36:59 Regular, regular (beep) going on.

00:37:01 Tell them to post the actual video of the sparring.

00:37:04 They got the video.

00:37:05 They recorded that video.

00:37:06 Tell them to post the sparring

00:37:09 and y'all see what happened in the sparring.

00:37:11 Post every round.

00:37:13 Every round and then see what they say.

00:37:15 See what the world think.

00:37:17 Was I tired or?

00:37:18 - I've been in the gym a lot of times.

00:37:20 - I was trapping, playing around with that man.

00:37:21 - Prime example, when Tim got out on Terrence.

00:37:25 Terrence all up in the gym.

00:37:27 Terrence, let's go some more rounds.

00:37:29 Tim like, nah dog, I'm good.

00:37:31 So I understand what you're saying from that side of things

00:37:34 'cause I have been in the gym.

00:37:35 I don't know if that's what happened,

00:37:36 but I have been in the gym a lot of times

00:37:39 where that happened.

00:37:40 Where my (beep) get out on a (beep)

00:37:42 my (beep) still wanna go some more rounds.

00:37:44 Like, nah, I'm through dog.

00:37:46 I'm done.

00:37:47 - I've been there before.

00:37:48 - You know what I'm saying?

00:37:49 So that's what you're saying was the situation.

00:37:52 - What I'm saying is I whooped his ass,

00:37:54 sparred him a billion times.

00:37:56 It wasn't, I'm not about to sit and agree with you all day.

00:37:58 - Did he get off on you too?

00:38:00 - Have he ever?

00:38:02 Is that the question?

00:38:03 - Yeah, have he ever had a day

00:38:04 you all went, y'all sparred and he got off on you?

00:38:06 - I mean, he probably had a day,

00:38:07 but my shit was way more times than he ever got off on me.

00:38:12 - But let me ask you a question.

00:38:15 - I respect that though.

00:38:16 - I'm gonna say this.

00:38:17 - No man, I respect that man,

00:38:19 because it don't cost nothing to keep it real.

00:38:24 I know all the blogs gonna take this,

00:38:26 they gonna remix it, they gonna chop and screw it.

00:38:29 They gonna take the little small part.

00:38:32 Yeah, he got out on, no.

00:38:33 Keep, let it be known that he sat here and he kept it real.

00:38:37 Yeah, we sparred a gang of times.

00:38:39 He probably had a time where he, yeah,

00:38:40 he might've got the best of me that day,

00:38:42 but on the overall, I got the best of him the most.

00:38:45 - Even though, no.

00:38:47 - Bill told y'all.

00:38:48 Listen to the video, he told y'all.

00:38:50 He told y'all, you done always got in on Devin.

00:38:54 What that mean?

00:38:55 He told y'all.

00:38:56 He let y'all know what happened.

00:38:58 - You know, I got love for both camps, man.

00:39:02 And I just want y'all, when y'all do eventually fight,

00:39:05 if it ever happen, I just want y'all to make the most money

00:39:08 that it could possibly make.

00:39:09 You know, because me personally, right now,

00:39:12 I don't really believe it's the time for y'all to fight.

00:39:15 - I think it is.

00:39:16 - Because you just want some action, man.

00:39:18 You ain't.

00:39:19 - Why you don't believe that?

00:39:20 - It's the time for action.

00:39:21 - Hold up, hold up, hold up.

00:39:22 I always want to say this.

00:39:24 You, you.

00:39:24 - Because, 'cause, it's a business.

00:39:26 - All right, give me the game.

00:39:27 - And you got two people that's really,

00:39:30 really fucking great.

00:39:32 See, like him and Javante,

00:39:35 it is a perfect fight for right now.

00:39:39 Because Javante, like he said,

00:39:40 Javante Davis has a star above his shit.

00:39:44 He came in, he was up under Floyd,

00:39:47 that's great marketing and promotion,

00:39:49 and he iced us.

00:39:50 - Yeah, he ain't no joke.

00:39:51 - So when you come in, you up under Floyd,

00:39:53 and you getting the fuck out of here,

00:39:55 you putting the fuck in a coma,

00:39:56 all eyes going to be on you.

00:39:58 So he had a hell of an introduction to the game,

00:40:00 which was smart on his behalf.

00:40:02 So, okay, you got Shakur Stevenson,

00:40:06 that's the boxing world.

00:40:08 Everybody knew this, they knew this since he was a kid.

00:40:12 - Facts.

00:40:13 - You feel what I'm saying?

00:40:14 Now, the regular person is finding out,

00:40:17 the regular everyday person is finding out about Shakur.

00:40:21 "Yo, you don't know about him."

00:40:22 So for him now to fight a star that go together,

00:40:27 for Dev to be right here, and Shakur right here,

00:40:31 and they like this, and you need somebody up here,

00:40:34 and you need somebody up here,

00:40:35 because this shit is about numbers, bro.

00:40:36 - But can I tell you why I disagree with it?

00:40:39 - Bring it down.

00:40:40 - I disagree with it because

00:40:43 you never, this why Wilder and Joshua

00:40:48 never really got to fight each other

00:40:50 during the time that they were supposed

00:40:52 to fight each other, right?

00:40:53 You got one fighter in Dev and you got one fighter in me.

00:40:57 This dude just came close to losing his last fight.

00:41:02 How y'all know he's not going to get close to,

00:41:04 how y'all know he's not going to take a L?

00:41:06 Then he takes the L, the fight goes down, right?

00:41:08 - Yeah.

00:41:11 - So say he go fight Regis right now.

00:41:12 Now, I'm not saying that I think Regis going to beat him.

00:41:15 I'm saying he go fight Regis right now,

00:41:17 Regis beat him.

00:41:19 What happens with me and Devon as a fight?

00:41:22 Nobody wants to see it.

00:41:23 - But how many people going to tune in to it for right now?

00:41:28 You know what I mean?

00:41:29 When y'all got uber talent, bro.

00:41:32 - But the price that we'll make now

00:41:35 is it probably ain't as big as it could be,

00:41:38 but it could go down if somebody take a L.

00:41:41 But that's always the opportunity.

00:41:43 That was always the opportunity with Bud and Arrow.

00:41:46 You feel what I'm saying?

00:41:47 One of them could have took a loss.

00:41:48 Your Danish Ugas could have had a hell of a night

00:41:50 and upset Arrow, you feel what I'm saying?

00:41:52 So that's the risk of it.

00:41:54 - But Arrow and Bud, both bad motherfuckers.

00:41:57 - Listen, so you going to throw that out there?

00:42:01 You going to throw that out there?

00:42:02 - Arrow and Bud are both bad motherfuckers.

00:42:03 - You going to throw that out there?

00:42:04 - I'm just saying what I truly feel, man.

00:42:06 - Dev not a bad motherfucker?

00:42:07 - He's a good fighter.

00:42:10 - Who won, how many tickets,

00:42:12 how many pay-per-views gets sold

00:42:13 when you and him fight right now?

00:42:15 How many pay-per-views?

00:42:16 - I mean, it's going to be interesting

00:42:18 because at the end of the day,

00:42:20 Devin don't, I mean, I sell the shit out of it.

00:42:24 So it'll sell good.

00:42:27 I'll sell the shit out of it.

00:42:29 - How many pay-per-views?

00:42:29 - See, I think if, just think about this.

00:42:33 I think if Terrence Crawford and Arrow

00:42:35 spends this 600 and something thousand pay-per-views,

00:42:38 just imagine if they ain't let it build up more

00:42:40 and they would've fought two years ago.

00:42:43 Shit might've did 400,000 pay-per-views.

00:42:45 - But imagine one of them wasn't like that.

00:42:48 That's all I'm trying to say.

00:42:50 Imagine one fighter wasn't like that.

00:42:51 - They was like that,

00:42:54 but Arrow helped him more with the pay-per-view.

00:42:56 - Imagine one fighter wasn't like that.

00:42:58 - Dev is, Dev, hold on, you trying to say,

00:43:00 hold on, I'm lost right here.

00:43:02 - See, you looking at it from a boxing standpoint.

00:43:03 - Hold on, hold on, let me say something, let me say this.

00:43:04 - You looking at it from a boxing standpoint,

00:43:06 in a ring. - I'm trying to.

00:43:07 - I'm looking at it from a fan standpoint,

00:43:10 from just a general boxing--

00:43:11 - No, no, you looking at it from a standpoint

00:43:14 'cause you got a relationship with Devin and y'all.

00:43:17 - We got a relationship with you.

00:43:17 - I got a relationship with you.

00:43:18 - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's love.

00:43:20 - No, no, no, no, no.

00:43:20 You, Bill, J.D., where are you?

00:43:23 - Let's speak boxing, man.

00:43:24 Lemeshanko wasn't the first kid that we seen with Devin.

00:43:28 - Who was the first kid?

00:43:30 - You, when you said it earlier, Lenorez, Lenorez.

00:43:33 - Oh yeah, but no, he beat Lenorez.

00:43:36 - No, he did.

00:43:37 He whooped Lenorez's ass.

00:43:38 - Lenorez, it's a fight.

00:43:39 Anybody could get clipped.

00:43:40 - Honestly, look, look, look.

00:43:41 I think that was his best performance,

00:43:42 before he got clipped.

00:43:44 But I'm saying the scare that he had,

00:43:47 like the scare, like his whole family

00:43:49 probably was up on their feet, nervous as hell.

00:43:52 - So you don't think you could get clipped?

00:43:53 - I can, I can.

00:43:55 I'm just saying, with him, I just felt like

00:43:58 we done seen him in these scares

00:43:59 that it's getting closer and closer.

00:44:01 - And you know what the problem is, too, though?

00:44:03 I think that, and I told Dev,

00:44:06 I told Dev this, I don't think it's a problem,

00:44:08 but I said in the Lomachenko fight, Dev,

00:44:11 I said, I said, I feel like--

00:44:12 - I think he slept on Lomachenko.

00:44:14 - I said, I feel like you felt as though

00:44:16 you was longer, you was younger,

00:44:19 you was stronger, you was faster,

00:44:22 and you fought most of the fight right here in the pocket,

00:44:26 where you could've jab, jab, you take a step in,

00:44:29 I take a step back, jab to the stomach,

00:44:31 jab, jab, you take a step in,

00:44:34 you could've made the fight a lot easier.

00:44:36 - But it ain't easy to do that

00:44:37 with his skills that he got,

00:44:41 it's not easy to do that against a Lomachenko,

00:44:43 because Lomachenko, he giving up ground,

00:44:46 but he's not giving up ground,

00:44:47 so he's forcing Devon to stand right there,

00:44:49 'cause if he move a little bit, you never know,

00:44:51 Lomachenko may gain confidence.

00:44:54 Y'all never know.

00:44:55 - He talking some real life,

00:45:01 'cause if he moved to that little left--

00:45:02 - It's boxing, it's boxing, man.

00:45:03 - But we understand the boxing part.

00:45:05 - You see it from a different lens.

00:45:07 - I just watch boxing. - You in there.

00:45:08 - I watch boxing all day, every day,

00:45:10 that's what I do with my life,

00:45:12 I'm really a real boxer,

00:45:13 I'm not no person who talk,

00:45:16 I really, I study boxing, I watch that fight 100 times,

00:45:20 I watch Terrence and Earl a billion times.

00:45:23 - You said you was better than Terrence.

00:45:25 - Yeah, in my opinion, I'm better than everybody,

00:45:27 that's my opinion, I believe in myself,

00:45:29 I'm confident in my abilities.

00:45:31 - And you just said Terrence Crawford was the best.

00:45:34 - Yes, as of right now, as far as accolades,

00:45:37 and who is the number one pound for pound fighter in the world?

00:45:40 - Terrence Crawford. - Exactly,

00:45:41 and I would never take nothing away from my big brother,

00:45:44 I love him.

00:45:44 - Oh no, Terrence Crawford's a bad mother(beep)

00:45:46 I think Terrence got about three more fights left

00:45:48 and he gonna call it quits.

00:45:49 - Probably so, but if you ask me,

00:45:52 who do I think is the best fighter in boxing,

00:45:54 as far as-- - The world.

00:45:56 - I'm talking, I think myself,

00:45:59 that's how I truly believe in myself,

00:46:00 like I'm not from fake.

00:46:02 - And it's a beautiful thing because,

00:46:04 you're not just saying that because,

00:46:06 no that's what you're supposed to say,

00:46:07 you're supposed to say I'm the best,

00:46:09 no you really (beep) believe that.

00:46:11 - No, I believe in myself.

00:46:11 - Benji, how do you feel about him?

00:46:13 - I feel as though he is definitely--

00:46:14 - You a commentator.

00:46:16 - Top five pound for pound.

00:46:18 - Who out of four?

00:46:19 - I think it's Terrence Crawford,

00:46:21 I think, and I'm not talking off of accolades,

00:46:26 you feel what I'm saying?

00:46:28 Because if you go off accolades,

00:46:30 you got to say Canelo.

00:46:31 If I look at-- - No, you're saying skills.

00:46:33 - Yeah, if I look at Canelo last motherfucking

00:46:36 four or five fights,

00:46:37 he don't look like Canelo Alvarez to me.

00:46:40 Canelo Alvarez was a motherfucker who come in,

00:46:42 hit you with the jab, he threw six punch combinations,

00:46:45 bop, boop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

00:46:47 Now Canelo Alvarez follow you around and go,

00:46:49 ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:46:54 So he not looking like Canelo Alvarez to me,

00:46:58 I'm just keeping it real, bro.

00:47:00 You look at Canelo Alvarez at 154,

00:47:03 you look at Canelo Alvarez at 160,

00:47:05 you seeing him hitting Josito Lopez

00:47:07 and them niggas with combinations,

00:47:09 he throw a fucking 11 punch combination at Josito Lopez.

00:47:12 Boop, bop, bop, bop, bop, boop, bop, bop.

00:47:15 You don't see that shit no more.

00:47:17 You don't see that shit, you see him walk around

00:47:19 and he try to hit you with bombs, the whole fucking fight.

00:47:22 Ha, ha.

00:47:23 So for me, right now I'm saying skill.

00:47:27 - I wanna hear his best though.

00:47:28 - I'm saying butt.

00:47:30 You know what you do see?

00:47:31 Pay-per-view box.

00:47:33 - Right.

00:47:34 - That's all that matter.

00:47:34 - You right.

00:47:35 - But, but, but.

00:47:36 - I'm just saying, you gotta make the money.

00:47:38 - I'm not hating, I just keep it 100.

00:47:39 I mean, well Canelo for a foot,

00:47:42 but I'm just saying he got a whole country behind him.

00:47:44 - Right.

00:47:45 - Like our people don't be supporting us

00:47:47 like we should be supporting.

00:47:49 That's how I feel.

00:47:49 - They don't.

00:47:50 - But like with them, like with the Mexicans

00:47:52 and the Mexican culture,

00:47:54 their entire country is gonna get behind Canelo Alvarez

00:47:57 and everybody's coming to Canelo fights and.

00:48:00 - Yeah, there's gonna be more Mexican.

00:48:01 - Just because he's, like he's a,

00:48:03 he, they stick together I just feel like.

00:48:05 They stick together.

00:48:06 - For me, I think it's butt.

00:48:08 I think it's boots.

00:48:11 I think it's Shakur.

00:48:16 I gotta put Inouye in there

00:48:19 because he beat my fucking young boy.

00:48:21 Cool boy Steph.

00:48:24 - He's, cool boy's coming back.

00:48:27 - And I gotta probably,

00:48:29 (crowd chattering)

00:48:32 I gotta put David Benavidez in there, man.

00:48:35 He don't wanna fight him.

00:48:37 They have been calling out forever, man.

00:48:40 Forever.

00:48:41 - How you feel about that fight?

00:48:43 Any disputes in that fight?

00:48:45 Talk about it.

00:48:45 - I mean, I'm not, I can't dispute.

00:48:46 - I might gotta put Devin in there.

00:48:49 I'm, me, I look at Devin like he's skilled.

00:48:52 - You talking about skills, bro.

00:48:54 Skills.

00:48:55 - He just beat Lomachenko.

00:48:56 - Whatever, look.

00:48:57 And you watch the fight again and you double back and say,

00:49:00 after I watched the fight, I see everything.

00:49:04 - What did I say?

00:49:05 - I just showed you in my phone.

00:49:06 When I go to my YouTube.

00:49:08 - Finish what I say.

00:49:09 Finish what I say.

00:49:11 - What'd he say?

00:49:12 - He might've pulled it off.

00:49:14 - No.

00:49:14 - What you say then?

00:49:15 - Yeah, yeah.

00:49:16 There we go.

00:49:17 I said I scored a draw.

00:49:18 Or, yeah, I said I scored a draw.

00:49:21 Or, or seven five Lomachenko.

00:49:24 - So at the end of the day,

00:49:25 when you look back at it,

00:49:26 you're like, ah, it was a little more competitive

00:49:30 than what I thought.

00:49:31 And then, bro.

00:49:32 - Yeah, it was a little bit more,

00:49:33 but I'm saying I wasn't giving him the fight.

00:49:36 - Okay, but let's.

00:49:36 - 'Cause when I judge, I judge off of like clean punches.

00:49:40 - But okay, let's just,

00:49:41 let's just like,

00:49:42 he lost to Lomachenko.

00:49:45 Okay.

00:49:47 Boxing don't understand that Lomachenko is a one of one.

00:49:51 - He's a duck.

00:49:52 - He is a duck.

00:49:54 He ducked you.

00:49:55 - He's a duck.

00:49:56 - As far as doing some shit that nobody's ever done before.

00:49:59 - Nah, he's a beast.

00:50:01 He's a beast.

00:50:02 - He's a one of one.

00:50:03 - He's a beast.

00:50:03 - And I went from the amateurs to the pros

00:50:05 and said I'm going to sign with whoever get me a title fight

00:50:08 my first fight.

00:50:10 They like, bro, that ain't never happened

00:50:12 in the history of boxing.

00:50:13 What are you talking about?

00:50:15 - Now, but.

00:50:15 - Bob said, I can't get you a fight your first fight,

00:50:18 but I could get you a fight against the number one contender.

00:50:21 If you beat him,

00:50:22 then I'm going to get you a title fight

00:50:23 in your second fight.

00:50:25 As a pro bro,

00:50:26 he come in, he's the fastest.

00:50:29 - Nah, he's definitely one of the best.

00:50:30 - He's the fastest three weight division champion

00:50:33 in the history of boxing.

00:50:35 He's the best amateur boxer ever in the history of life.

00:50:39 He won two gold medals at the Olympics.

00:50:43 We not talking about no regular person.

00:50:46 - But my question with you right now.

00:50:48 - When you first started sparring him,

00:50:49 it was very competitive.

00:50:52 - Yeah.

00:50:53 - It ain't competitive now probably.

00:50:53 - I was younger.

00:50:54 I was younger.

00:50:56 - But you still was uber talented.

00:50:58 - I was a beast.

00:50:59 - You wasn't younger and it's like, no,

00:51:01 you were young Floyd.

00:51:03 You were young Panel Whitaker.

00:51:05 You were young person that's special.

00:51:08 Then when you got in the ring,

00:51:09 99% of the people you get in the ring with,

00:51:12 they getting they (beep) with.

00:51:14 And it's a 1% that is like,

00:51:16 oh, this (beep) a little good too.

00:51:18 Like, let me, oh, I got to be on (beep)

00:51:22 He threw a punch there.

00:51:22 (beep)

00:51:23 You said, hold on.

00:51:24 Shit don't ever be that close.

00:51:26 Hold up, wait, hold up.

00:51:28 So Loman Tinkle was one of them people, right?

00:51:30 - Yeah, but I'm saying with your list.

00:51:33 Now, I like your list.

00:51:35 I ain't going away from your list.

00:51:38 But I just feel like you,

00:51:39 it's one fight that you also didn't say.

00:51:43 I think it should have been,

00:51:44 well, if it was my list, I would have put Tinkle there.

00:51:46 - Oh, yeah.

00:51:47 - How you get Tinkle?

00:51:48 - It's 'cause you talk about skills.

00:51:49 - I'm tripping.

00:51:50 - 'Cause you got skills.

00:51:51 - I'm tripping.

00:51:51 I got to do my list over.

00:51:52 - No, you can't redo the list, man.

00:51:54 - I got to do my list over.

00:51:55 I wasn't, I'm sitting here doing it off the fly.

00:51:58 I got to put Tank in there for sure.

00:51:59 - Yeah, yeah.

00:52:00 - I got to put Bud in there.

00:52:01 - But David Benavidez is like,

00:52:03 - I got to put,

00:52:04 - It's there, so I like your list.

00:52:05 - No, I got to put,

00:52:07 of course I got to put Inouye in there.

00:52:08 Shakur in there.

00:52:11 And the fifth one got to be,

00:52:13 I got to put Devin in there, man.

00:52:16 - Damn.

00:52:16 - Devin accomplished more than Benavidez.

00:52:19 - Well, okay.

00:52:21 - He did though.

00:52:22 In boxing, I'm saying.

00:52:23 - But we're talking about,

00:52:24 oh, you can't,

00:52:25 'cause now you contradicting your list though.

00:52:27 You said you wasn't talking about accomplishment,

00:52:30 you said you were talking about skills.

00:52:31 - So the skills, right.

00:52:32 - That's why I said you contradicting your list.

00:52:33 - So what I'm saying,

00:52:34 - You're trying to say Kevin ain't got no skills?

00:52:36 - No, I'm saying,

00:52:36 - Nah, he's got his skills, brother.

00:52:37 - If I go for skill for skill,

00:52:39 Devin and Benavidez,

00:52:40 I feel like they both right here.

00:52:42 So then the,

00:52:43 the what, the what,

00:52:44 that weighs a little.

00:52:45 - You still forgot Tank.

00:52:46 - Tank, Tank.

00:52:47 I got to go with Tank five.

00:52:48 - That's why I was saying it's about skills.

00:52:49 - No, I said Tank first.

00:52:49 I said Tank, Bud,

00:52:51 - It ain't weighing me.

00:52:53 - You, and then I said Devin Benavidez.

00:52:55 - Okay.

00:52:56 - But then still,

00:52:58 it's kind of hard because still,

00:52:59 I would still give it to Errol.

00:53:01 Because only one person beat Errol.

00:53:05 You feel what I'm saying?

00:53:08 So it, it, it could go up and it could,

00:53:10 it could fluctuate.

00:53:11 You feel what I'm saying?

00:53:13 Like, you know what I'm saying?

00:53:15 - Yeah.

00:53:15 - But I think, you know,

00:53:17 that's, that's my guys.

00:53:19 Devin, Errol,

00:53:20 Benavidez,

00:53:23 any of them could go in there.

00:53:25 - You got Bud in there, right?

00:53:27 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:53:29 - Bud's the number one fighter in the world.

00:53:31 - For sure.

00:53:32 Ain't no ifs, ands, or buts.

00:53:33 - You know what I mean?

00:53:34 I'm just going to let my man Boots

00:53:37 prove a little bit more.

00:53:38 - Now Boots a bad mother (beep)

00:53:40 Boots somebody, I came up like,

00:53:41 me and him came up in there.

00:53:42 - And Boots a (beep) animal.

00:53:44 - He a bad mother (beep)

00:53:44 - I know Boosie,

00:53:45 Boosie and Boots got a lot of love for you too.

00:53:47 - Man, I got a lot of love for them too.

00:53:49 - You know what I mean?

00:53:49 They always talk highly about you.

00:53:53 You know what I mean?

00:53:54 So, but listen man,

00:53:56 we out here in Colorado Springs.

00:53:57 - We already put the pads on.

00:53:59 - We had to pull up on you.

00:54:01 You know, you've been in the news

00:54:03 heavy lately.

00:54:04 Heavy.

00:54:06 - That's cause,

00:54:08 that's cause man, listen here.

00:54:09 - You fed up.

00:54:10 - Nah, I'm not fed up.

00:54:11 It just, I just speak my mind.

00:54:14 I don't mind like speaking my mind.

00:54:16 Just like what y'all don't mind like

00:54:17 speaking what I truly believe.

00:54:20 A lot of people try to twist and turn

00:54:22 everything that I'm saying into something else,

00:54:24 but it's cow.

00:54:25 If you ask me a question, I'm going to answer.

00:54:27 If you ask me a question,

00:54:28 I'm going to answer the question.

00:54:29 But if I answer the question,

00:54:31 they going to turn what I say into something else.

00:54:33 But I mean, it's the life for me.

00:54:36 - I think too.

00:54:37 I think I,

00:54:39 I felt like when I was looking in your eyes

00:54:41 earlier in the video,

00:54:42 I seen the frustration.

00:54:45 Like somewhat of frustration or just like,

00:54:48 these really don't want to fight me.

00:54:51 - Yeah.

00:54:53 - You know what I mean?

00:54:54 But always remember bro,

00:54:57 things happen when God wanted to happen.

00:55:03 You know what I mean?

00:55:04 So you, so just stay the course.

00:55:06 I ain't got to tell you to work hard

00:55:08 because this all you know.

00:55:09 Certain mother, I ain't got to call

00:55:11 and never give them no, no work hard speeches.

00:55:15 I ain't never got,

00:55:16 I might got to give you,

00:55:17 call you and give you a stay the out the way speech.

00:55:19 What was you doing over there speech?

00:55:22 - Nah, yeah, I appreciate you.

00:55:23 - You feel what I'm saying?

00:55:24 - I appreciate you.

00:55:25 - I ain't never got a call and say,

00:55:27 you ain't working.

00:55:30 I know I ain't never got to call Boots

00:55:31 and worry about that.

00:55:32 - Yeah.

00:55:33 - I ain't, you ain't got to call Shakira.

00:55:34 You ain't got to call Devin.

00:55:36 You know these, they work and that's what they do.

00:55:38 They live, eat, shit.

00:55:39 - Boxing. - Boxing.

00:55:40 That's what they do.

00:55:42 So, you know,

00:55:43 when God wanted to happen for you,

00:55:45 it'll happen for you

00:55:46 and it probably happened the biggest for you.

00:55:49 - You said it probably happened what?

00:55:50 - The biggest for you.

00:55:51 - Oh, trust me.

00:55:52 - Because you know,

00:55:54 he might have made you wait the longest.

00:55:55 You know what I mean?

00:55:56 - Yeah, yeah.

00:55:57 - Because in his mind,

00:55:59 I know where frustration come in there

00:56:01 because in your mind,

00:56:03 I'm the best fighter on planet earth.

00:56:05 - Facts.

00:56:05 - And I'm seeing other fighters get accolades

00:56:09 that you don't even really feel like they deserve

00:56:12 because you like, you ain't beat me.

00:56:13 - Nah, it's my frustration.

00:56:15 - You beat me, I'm there.

00:56:18 - My frustration is,

00:56:20 I just want to be,

00:56:21 I just want to get an opportunity to prove myself.

00:56:23 - Right.

00:56:24 - Because a lot of people,

00:56:25 because honestly, I put a lot of pressure on myself.

00:56:27 When I say I talk to y'all

00:56:29 or I talk to somebody else and I say what I feel,

00:56:32 I put pressure on myself because I like the pressure.

00:56:34 - But it's not really pressure because--

00:56:35 - It's pressure.

00:56:36 - You believe that.

00:56:37 - It's pressure, but I like it.

00:56:39 I like putting myself in pressure situations.

00:56:42 That makes me like,

00:56:43 I'm the type of person I'm going to rise to the occasion.

00:56:47 But like I said, it's just very frustrating

00:56:50 when you got a bunch of fighters that

00:56:52 pump fake or perpetrate like they want to fight,

00:56:56 but they don't really want to fight.

00:56:57 I would rather or respect it more if I could just say like,

00:57:01 I don't want to fight or,

00:57:02 just ignore the shit out of me.

00:57:04 Ignore me, don't say nothing,

00:57:06 keep it moving, go about your business.

00:57:08 But don't sit here and act like you really want to fight me.

00:57:10 - Because what you 26 now, 27?

00:57:12 - Yeah, 26.

00:57:13 - 26, yeah.

00:57:14 So, it's right about the time for you

00:57:17 to have all major fights.

00:57:19 - 28, I'm going to have the biggest fight.

00:57:22 - 27, man.

00:57:24 - Yeah, 27, 28, biggest fight going to happen.

00:57:28 - Speaking into existence.

00:57:30 - I know.

00:57:30 - You know what I mean?

00:57:31 - Yeah.

00:57:32 - That's what you got to do.

00:57:33 - If you, at the end of the day, it's like this.

00:57:39 Us seasoned fighters, you know.

00:57:42 - What?

00:57:43 I got, 'cause.

00:57:45 - Black belt.

00:57:46 - I got 38 fights.

00:57:47 - Black belt.

00:57:48 - You still a seasoned fighter even if you win 31.

00:57:51 If you lose 31 out of the 38,

00:57:53 you still a seasoned fighter.

00:57:55 - Come on, come on, Gal.

00:57:55 - Like who keep getting in the ring like that?

00:57:57 - A loser.

00:57:58 - Most dudes would have--

00:57:59 - A (beep) sparring partner.

00:58:00 - Most dudes would have gave up.

00:58:01 - Listen, he knew sparring partners

00:58:03 that got their (beep) whipped for a thousand times.

00:58:05 - He knew no sparring partner with a record like mine.

00:58:07 - Listen, he--

00:58:08 - He knew no sparring partner with a record.

00:58:09 - He got (beep) sparring partners

00:58:10 that got their (beep) whipped for a thousand camps.

00:58:12 They still show up for that money.

00:58:14 They should have been, they go off getting--

00:58:16 - Hell nah, nah, soon.

00:58:17 There'll be a lot of sparring partners, hell nah.

00:58:20 - Be looking like this, they still show up.

00:58:22 - And you got to understand this though.

00:58:25 Most of my losses, that I wouldn't even

00:58:28 qualify them as losses, is like 75% of them

00:58:33 my training through the talent.

00:58:34 So it wasn't like it was a loss.

00:58:35 - 'Cause you was getting your ass whipped.

00:58:36 - No, no, I felt like, listen.

00:58:38 - No, you ain't fire him, get you a new trainer.

00:58:43 - I felt like, I felt like--

00:58:44 - Or he did what he was supposed to do.

00:58:45 - He did what he was supposed to do.

00:58:47 - No, I'm just saying, he threw the talent.

00:58:49 I ain't know what was going like.

00:58:50 Why would you do that, man?

00:58:51 - He did what he was supposed to do.

00:58:53 - So wait, did you fire him?

00:58:54 - No, it was multiple trainers that done that.

00:58:56 - Oh, multiple.

00:58:57 - It wasn't just like him, you know,

00:58:58 the one boy that started it.

00:58:59 - I mean, everybody telling you it's time to retire, man.

00:59:02 - Man, I don't need that type of training.

00:59:04 - That's what I mean when they tell us.

00:59:05 - Nah, if you got 30 different trainers--

00:59:08 - That throw the talent.

00:59:09 - Come on.

00:59:09 - Okay, so let me ask you a question.

00:59:11 So if a fighter get a talent thrown in on him

00:59:13 in three fights, is it time to throw the talent?

00:59:14 - No, you got to keep going 'cause you might,

00:59:17 it might be that one fight that'll change everything.

00:59:19 - When the trainer throw the talent,

00:59:21 when the trainer throw the talent,

00:59:23 that's like the ref, ain't he, said you had enough yet,

00:59:26 but the trainer like, I know this, he had enough.

00:59:30 You getting your ass whipped.

00:59:32 So if the trainer had to throw the talent

00:59:33 on three different occasions, that's retire time, right?

00:59:37 - Yeah, you get your ass whipped.

00:59:37 - But that don't mean you can't fight.

00:59:39 I had kept going, man.

00:59:40 - That mean you can't fight, brother.

00:59:41 - I had to keep going.

00:59:42 - Your record means you can't fight.

00:59:44 You shouldn't even be telling nobody your record, man.

00:59:46 - Right, 7 to 31 type of shit.

00:59:48 - No, they let me know I was in the game.

00:59:50 I was in it.

00:59:51 Like, you got to let people know, yeah, I was in the game.

00:59:53 Listen, think about this, think about this.

00:59:56 You know how many dudes say,

00:59:57 yeah, I'm a real one, I'm from the streets.

00:59:59 They never made no money in the streets for 15 years.

01:00:02 They never won, they never got no trophies.

01:00:03 They lost every year, every season in the streets, they lost.

01:00:07 But they still qualified as a street dude, right?

01:00:09 - No, no.

01:00:11 - Hustler or whatever, right?

01:00:13 - They was just a failure.

01:00:14 - Yeah, fucking just a failure.

01:00:15 - So they was decorating the scenery then?

01:00:16 - That's all.

01:00:17 - You think I was--

01:00:18 - You failed, man.

01:00:19 You failed, man.

01:00:20 - I'm a part of the boxing industry.

01:00:20 And all of them was amateur fights.

01:00:22 - You was better off talking about that Taekwondo.

01:00:24 - No, no, I got 13 black belts in that.

01:00:27 That's why I switched sports.

01:00:29 - Ain't that (beep) upside your biscuit, huh?

01:00:30 That shit you be doing, that shit you be doing.

01:00:32 - That's called low Kwan Do.

01:00:34 - That weird one.

01:00:35 - That's called low Kwan Do, I created my own stuff.

01:00:37 - All that dumb shit.

01:00:38 - Oh, he talking about my beef ribs.

01:00:40 He talking about beef ribs.

01:00:41 I'm gonna show you.

01:00:42 - That ain't nothing.

01:00:42 - I'll show him that, Joan, that's when he come.

01:00:44 (grunting)

01:00:46 - He ain't never showed you beef ribs?

01:00:48 - I'm gonna show you.

01:00:48 - Hell no, I don't even need to see that.

01:00:50 - Oh, you gotta add that to yours.

01:00:51 Because you know what I learned about a lot of y'all boxes?

01:00:53 Y'all be thinking y'all slick too, see?

01:00:55 I told you about this, I said, we watching the fight.

01:00:57 So you know what I realized?

01:00:58 All that stuff they doing training,

01:01:00 a lot of that stuff go out the window.

01:01:01 They just be making up shit when they be in the ring.

01:01:03 A lot of stuff that you doing training,

01:01:05 you be doing all these techniques,

01:01:06 y'all be making that shit up.

01:01:07 Y'all get in the ring, something go wrong,

01:01:09 now y'all doing some other shit.

01:01:11 'Cause you know how I know that?

01:01:12 I be listening to the trainers.

01:01:14 That ain't what I told you, stick to the plan.

01:01:16 Why you gotta say all that?

01:01:17 Why you gotta say all that if you sticking to the plan?

01:01:19 That's how I know, I said, these shit,

01:01:20 they be doing anything in there.

01:01:22 'Cause listen, I'm like, we was at the family,

01:01:24 you see that, you hear that?

01:01:26 You ain't sticking to the plan.

01:01:27 If the trainer mad, he's doing some new stuff.

01:01:29 He remixing some shit.

01:01:30 He just in there freestyling.

01:01:31 - I don't mean that though.

01:01:32 - You in there freestyling.

01:01:33 - I don't mean that, 'cause my grandfather

01:01:34 be getting mad at me, I be whooping.

01:01:36 Bozey be getting mad at Bozey.

01:01:38 - Yeah, Bozey, that's how I know.

01:01:40 - He be whooping.

01:01:41 - I said Bozey, do some freestyle.

01:01:43 - Hey, he be, Bozey, move your damn head, man, dude.

01:01:48 - What your, what your--

01:01:49 - Bozey and my grandfather, they hell of a trainers, man.

01:01:52 - Yeah, but what your grandfather be saying though?

01:01:54 What he get mad at?

01:01:55 - Man, me and him go at it.

01:01:56 - You ain't listening.

01:01:57 You told me you wasn't listening one time.

01:02:00 - The craziest shit you ever told me, man, I ain't,

01:02:05 I can't even put it out there.

01:02:06 That nigga crazy though.

01:02:07 - I'm talking about during the fight, like.

01:02:10 - During the fight?

01:02:11 Oh, I tell you, I got you, I got you, I got you.

01:02:13 I got one for you, I promise you.

01:02:15 When I fought Jamel, you watched that fight, right?

01:02:17 - Jamel Herring, yeah.

01:02:18 - I swear to God, I came back to the corner.

01:02:20 This man told me, he say, you let him back in the fight.

01:02:24 I had to look at my other coach like,

01:02:27 "Oh, what the fuck?

01:02:28 "Hey, I'm letting him back in the fight?"

01:02:30 You know, like, what the fuck?

01:02:33 I'm like, shit.

01:02:35 But, but, but you gotta realize--

01:02:36 - It's Jamel, my man, but you whip this shit out.

01:02:39 - But, but, I think that shit kind of helped me

01:02:42 'cause when he said that, it automatically clicked.

01:02:45 Like, okay, now let me turn it back up.

01:02:47 Even though I was turning it up, now I gotta turn it.

01:02:50 I turn it up even more, man.

01:02:53 So it kind of helped me.

01:02:54 My grandfather crazy, though.

01:02:56 - He had to check.

01:02:58 - I started looking outside the room.

01:03:02 - He was like, damn.

01:03:04 - Jay, Jay.

01:03:05 - He said, after the fight,

01:03:07 he said, "Yo, we used to go get pop, pop, pop high school.

01:03:09 "Pop, pop, pop high school.

01:03:10 "We used to go get pop, pop, pop checked out."

01:03:12 Now, Jamel with a 20 piece, he come back to the corner.

01:03:15 He told me, "You let him get back in the fight."

01:03:17 (laughing)

01:03:18 - That's why I be--

01:03:19 - Pop, pop, fight, pop, pop.

01:03:21 - That wasn't the plan.

01:03:22 He was supposed to be knocked out by then.

01:03:23 So that's letting me know he did some freestyling.

01:03:25 - I think the best trainers, like my grandfather and Bozey,

01:03:30 especially when they know their fighter,

01:03:33 I feel like,

01:03:35 even when you're doing your best, they still want better.

01:03:43 They still pushing you for even better.

01:03:45 So I feel like, even when I hear Bozey

01:03:47 at the booth comes to the corner--

01:03:48 - Bro, you couldn't look no better

01:03:50 in that Jamel Heron fight.

01:03:51 - You probably right, but they still want more.

01:03:54 - Hell, like--

01:03:55 - That's a great trainer.

01:03:56 - They want you to do some shit.

01:03:58 That's like my Michael Jordan dad

01:04:00 as he jumped from the foul line,

01:04:01 told him, "Now jump from the king."

01:04:03 It's like, it's like--

01:04:04 - A great trainer, I think a great trainer

01:04:06 don't put no limitations on their fighter.

01:04:08 So even at your best, it's still more.

01:04:11 It's always something better that you could do.

01:04:13 So I just feel like, with my grandfather and Bozey,

01:04:16 I think that them, honestly, from what I see,

01:04:18 them two are the best trainers in boxing.

01:04:20 And Bo Mack, and Bo Mack, and Bo Mack.

01:04:22 - How many times I told you that?

01:04:23 - Say that.

01:04:24 - How many times I told you?

01:04:25 - You be saying that.

01:04:26 - The whole city of Philadelphia

01:04:27 you can do one motherfucking thing.

01:04:29 You want some real work, nigga?

01:04:32 Go over top of that mask, nigga.

01:04:33 - But see, you gotta understand, back in the day, see,

01:04:35 back in the day, see, you young.

01:04:37 Back in the day, my teacher, Karate Arrow and Bozey--

01:04:40 - Oh, man, come on, man.

01:04:41 - Now you already know Bozey and Karate Arrow

01:04:43 were each other. - All right, man, listen, man.

01:04:44 - He told you that. - Listen, man, we here, man.

01:04:46 - It started from martial arts.

01:04:48 It started from martial arts, didn't win the boxing.

01:04:50 - Come on, man. - The champ, man.

01:04:52 He had to get a lot of things off his chest, man.

01:04:54 - We here.

01:04:55 Now we're gonna get a lot of things,

01:04:56 show him a couple moves.

01:04:57 - And we just had to come, you know,

01:04:59 show him some love, because that's what we do.

01:05:03 You know what I mean?

01:05:04 We here to amplify. - Yes.

01:05:05 - You know what I mean?

01:05:06 Taryn, it's your wild old sparring session.

01:05:08 - I'm not, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:05:10 I don't, no, no, no.

01:05:11 - I can't throw you out there like that.

01:05:11 - I'm still amateur.

01:05:12 - Taryn's probably-- - No, no.

01:05:14 I'm an amateur, I spar amateurs.

01:05:16 I spar for professionals in mixed martial arts,

01:05:18 but not in boxing.

01:05:19 - He's a bitch.

01:05:20 He just bitched out like that.

01:05:22 No, no, no.

01:05:24 He's a bitch.

01:05:25 - No, I deal damages.

01:05:27 - We appreciate y'all for tuning in.

01:05:29 Make sure y'all like, comment, and subscribe.

01:05:32 - Me, me, me, me, me.

01:05:33 You know what?

01:05:34 I'm coming with my what's name.

01:05:35 Anybody wanna fight out there, listen.

01:05:38 I'm ready to start my own boxing.

01:05:40 I'm a trainer/promoter.

01:05:42 You wanna, you wanna, you know,

01:05:43 you wanna get into boxing--

01:05:44 - Man, shut the (beep) up, man.

01:05:45 And it's just like that.

01:05:46 - Right?

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