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- Sadaf Abdul Jabbar
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- Irshad Bhatti (Analyst)
- Nazir Leghari (Analyst)
- Haider Waheed (Lawyer)
Nazir Leghari criticizes PDM govt
Irshad Bhatti Nay PDM Ko Naya Nam Dediya
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Host:
- Sadaf Abdul Jabbar
Guests:
- Irshad Bhatti (Analyst)
- Nazir Leghari (Analyst)
- Haider Waheed (Lawyer)
Nazir Leghari criticizes PDM govt
Irshad Bhatti Nay PDM Ko Naya Nam Dediya
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09:41 the king decides. All the others start shaking their heads. They say they are angry but they are not angry. They say we are going to have a revolution but we are not going to have a revolution.
09:48 It is just a drama and we can't enjoy watching it. Nothing can happen.
09:57 Senior politician, Mr. Razar Abani and Mr. Kamran Murtaza have given a walkout. They have given a reference to Balochistan. They say that our people have been bombed. 64 lakhs of population has been reduced. We couldn't bear to see our seats increased.
10:15 So, when the census results are not consistent, when the elections are held in a closed room, won't these people raise questions?
10:30 It is not legal. The constitution says that you should be a member of the Council of Common Interest. It was not there.
10:43 You have two ministers who have a big question about their current status. Their current status has been terminated on 14 April 2023.
11:02 Who will validate the current status of the country after 14 April 2023? Which parliament will come and say that the current status of the country is not valid?
11:17 Who will validate the current status of the country? Who will confirm it? Who will say that it was right?
11:24 These big questions have arisen. These big questions will trouble the coming days. They will trouble Pakistan, the Pakistani system, the Pakistani parliamentary system, the Pakistani judiciary and the Pakistani executives.
11:37 And they will trouble the decision makers in big places.
11:41 Bhatti sir, let me come to you. Earlier, you said that the old census should be done on the 90th day and the decision will be made only after the elections.
11:54 What happened in a week that the opinion changed and the decision was made immediately?
12:00 Look, first of all, the train accident. May Allah forgive the dead and give patience to their relatives.
12:10 And what should I say to Saad Rafiq that I was praying that three days are left and there is no bad news.
12:17 I wish you would have said at this time that now the railway accidents will not be due to these five reasons.
12:25 And this is my work. I did this for the railway. I improved the railway. And now people will not die.
12:34 You were praying, it was good that you contacted me. I would have told you a picture. They would have read it and it could have been a accident.
12:44 And these are the people who have destroyed every institution.
12:49 And how many accidents have happened, how many people have been punished for these accidents and what lesson have they learned from this?
12:57 I am ashamed to hear this statement. I don't know in what tone and in what mindset they were giving this statement.
13:05 The second thing is that my brother was saying in the Senate or Assembly that there will be a campaign against the constitution.
13:15 Elections will not be held in 60 days or 90 days. And you took the name of senior politicians, Mr. Raza Rabbani and all the rest.
13:25 So where are the constitutions in this country? What constitution are you talking about? The constitution has been buried when you did not get the elections of the K.P. and the Punjab Assembly in 90 days.
13:37 The Supreme Court has been removed from this country. The principles, logic and ethics have been removed.
13:43 The constitution has been removed. There have always been two systems in this country. Military democracy and civilian democracy.
13:55 After the Punjab and K.P. set ups, the senior politicians and today's leaders have become very ethical and logical.
14:04 They should have sat in the assembly. What kind of people are they? They are bitter, sweet and sweet.
14:14 But Mr. Bhatti, it was decided in 2017 that one time it will happen that the elections of 2018 will be held on the census in the morning.
14:22 But after that, the census is necessary and when it is decided, then the elections are held under that.
14:27 So, the census is also necessary.
14:34 You are talking about the census. What was decided? The census was decided by the senior politicians.
14:41 When the assembly will be broken, the elections will be held in 90 days.
14:45 And the decision that was decided, it did not end. The decision that the Supreme Court made, it did not end.
14:51 And the election commission opened the fast quietly. The decision of 14th May, which the election commission, the Supreme Court has given,
14:58 that the election commission has removed democracy from the map.
15:03 And if there was a civilized society where there was even a little democracy, the chief election commissioner would have resigned.
15:09 And last time the Supreme Court has said that the election commission committed itself to the anti-constitutional movement.
15:15 The election commission is doing everything except its work. And the chief election commissioner also went to the Supreme Court and said that
15:22 I am not able to fulfill my responsibilities. Despite this, I am not able to fulfill my responsibilities.
15:27 Now, in one hour, 50-50 legislations are being made, where there is an incomplete assembly, which is according to them a fake assembly of the PDM.
15:38 And there, Mr. Nagari said that who are the ministers of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa being nominated?
15:46 Are they being nominated by the people? Can the minister of Punjab be nominated by the people of Punjab?
15:52 Can the minister of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa be nominated by the people of Punjab?
15:58 Now, if you have had 6 elections and after 98, 3 elections have been held,
16:05 you have been sitting quietly for 5 years, you knew that if it was decided in 2017,
16:11 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 elections have been held, what have you done about this?
16:17 When the last moments came, you followed the people's vote.
16:22 This is the government's vote, the vote of the people's vote, the vote of the election commission,
16:29 and the last thing, Sadaf, this joint interest council, I like the name, believe me,
16:36 for 75 years, the joint interest council has been ruling us, and now the real name of PDM should be joint interest council.
16:44 Mr. Haider Waheed, I come to you, tell me that now the election is on the new schedule,
16:52 so it will take more than 120 days to deliver the election,
16:59 or the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, is saying that the delimitation will be done in 90 days,
17:05 and Mr. Abbani is saying that the election commission should tell that it can be done in 90 days,
17:11 otherwise it will be a non-scheduled election. What is your opinion on this?
17:15 Look, the most sacrosanct thing in terms of elections in the constitution is in terms of its time,
17:22 that it is necessary to have timely elections, then the rest of the requirements are followed on time.
17:30 Now, the elections will be held in 90 days, there will be cleanliness, ECPs will also be conducted,
17:36 there will be caretakers' administration, all these things will happen, but it will not happen in 90 days.
17:42 And all the other requirements, from census to delimitation, should be followed,
17:48 and the census should be given effect. If it can be given in 90 days, then delimitation should also be done.
17:55 If it can be done in 90 days, then. Now, obviously, if it is done in a week, 10 days, 20 days,
18:00 and if it is done in the back, if it is done by court order, then there is no problem in this.
18:04 But the real sacrosanct thing is that there should be timely elections,
18:09 and this is a pillar of our democracy and constitution.
18:12 So, first of all, all the doubts should be read along with it.
18:16 In terms of notifying the census, one thing is that it could have been notified earlier,
18:22 and it is okay that there were two ministers of the Nigra government,
18:27 and I think these were important and emergent circumstances,
18:32 but some were created by themselves, it could have been done earlier as well.
18:36 But I say, let's go from day to day, where it can be deviated,
18:40 because giving an effect to the census is a very important thing.
18:43 If it can be done in 90 days, then. Now, the second thing which is very important,
18:48 now you see, if the timing is not clear, it cannot be done.
18:53 That is, you cannot increase the seats, which you yourself believe cannot be increased.
18:57 Now, if you have to give an effect to the census, and you do not have to increase the seats,
19:01 then what do you have to do? The number of seats has increased,
19:05 so are you doing it only for delimitation?
19:08 So, delimitation is that how will the circle be cut?
19:12 So, you cannot give an effect to the census completely,
19:15 until the assembly is not there and the timing is not there.
19:18 Because the census cannot be given a complete effect,
19:22 until the seats are increased or reduced according to the census.
19:26 So, this cannot be done now anyway.
19:28 So, we are forced to think, why did the census come to mind suddenly?
19:34 So, either it is that the census came to mind,
19:38 because in a democratic country, the census should be of great importance and it is.
19:45 But using it as a tool for delay of elections is a separate thing.
19:50 And to say that now ECP is banned, no, there is no such thing.
19:55 ECP is banned by the constitution.
19:58 And as I said, all these issues will be dealt with a time limit.
20:02 So, ECP is definitely banned, after the census, it has to be delimited completely,
20:07 it has to be done in 120 days.
20:09 But can this delay the elections?
20:11 I think it can be done in 2-4 weeks and it should be done.
20:14 It will be done by the court order, because that is also in the constitution.
20:17 But I think it will be done by some delay.
20:19 It will be done by the court order, but the election commission cannot do it on its own.
20:23 The first priority of the election commission should be to go to the elections on the 9th.
20:28 No, look, do it. I say do it in 2 weeks, do it in 4 weeks.
20:32 But is it in a position to give an effect to the census,
20:35 when there can be no regularization?
20:38 If the election is delayed even a month to give an effect to the census,
20:42 then I say it should be done instead.
20:44 But 6 months, 4 months, inordinately, indefinitely, no, it is not like that.
20:50 The most sacrosanct thing about the constitution is that there should be timely elections in any democracy.
20:55 The most fundamental pillar of the constitution in terms of elections is that
21:00 the people can pick their government and if a government can do more than what it can pick for a period,
21:09 then it is obvious that it is not a mandate government, it is not a constitutional government.
21:13 So, I think if there is a delay, it is worth it because it is a matter of census.
21:19 So, in the constitution, there is no delay.
21:22 But I say, let's go ahead with the date, there will be a challenge,
21:26 I think the courts will allow 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks.
21:29 But to say that now 6 months, 4 months, 3 months, I think it will be a little more.
21:35 Okay, here I am taking a break.
21:39 After the break, we will talk more about this.
21:42 Who will be the new Prime Minister? Mr. Rana Sanaullah has said that some names, one name has been shortlisted.
21:50 We will talk about that after the break.
21:51 The government is going on August 9 and in this case, the matters have not yet been decided on the name of the new Prime Minister.
22:02 Mr. Rana Sanaullah said while talking to Jio News that one name has been shortlisted.
22:07 What was he saying? Let's see.
22:09 The names are being called, but the decision will come to the court.
22:16 I don't think that Shah Naqal Ramasi's name will be decided.
22:20 If the decision is that 86 people can come to the caretaker setup,
22:25 then Mr. Shah Naqal can also become the caretaker.
22:29 Is Hafeez Shah's name in the shortlist?
22:32 Yes, his name is in the shortlist.
22:33 And he is ready to take responsibility?
22:36 Yes, he is ready.
22:39 Now the question is that we tried to find out from the opposition leader through our own means what he thinks.
22:48 So, he has not met yet. He has to meet the Prime Minister. He has three names.
22:53 So, the question here is that if he has not met, then where and how has this shortlist been done?
23:01 Has anyone from the government or the union been named?
23:06 And how many names are there in this shortlist? What is the process?
23:10 Mr. Nazir Laghari, tell us, it is being said that there can be some political figures and some non-political figures.
23:17 Do you think that this decision will be made and it will be decided in a positive manner?
23:21 Because in our case, there are many differences in these matters.
23:25 Even after the consensus has been reached, like the census.
23:29 Will the matter be decided in a positive manner?
23:32 Some can come down from the sky, some can come from any corner of the earth, some can come from above, some can come from below, some can come from the census, some can come from the government.
23:44 These are the things that are being done and the confusion is being increased.
23:50 And then the ministers themselves are spreading the confusion.
23:54 So what will we do with this? Whatever was said earlier, all the things you have shown, were the words of the ministers who were saying that the election should be held on the basis of the previous census.
24:06 And for this, there should be no delay in the election.
24:11 So now they have come to a completely new occasion.
24:14 And now I think they are ready to tolerate the delay.
24:18 They have also started saying that if the delay is increased, it does not matter.
24:24 But as I said earlier, they are digging holes for themselves and for their politics.
24:32 And they have no idea when things will be out of their hands.
24:36 When they have left the office, government buildings and government vehicles and gone back to their homes.
24:44 So what will happen? And what will be revealed in the sun? They have no idea.
24:50 I think they will know when the birds have already gone to the field.
24:56 And this is not far away, it is in front of us.
24:59 And we will see them crying, screaming, screaming and in front of you.
25:05 And in their sympathy, Bhatti Sahib must be expressing regret.
25:11 But this time is coming.
25:13 Bhatti Sahib, you must be regretting.
25:17 Tell us, there is a very long setup of NIGRA.
25:21 Because of course, there will be a delimitation in this regarding the census.
25:25 Then there is also the time of Navya Roz. Then it can take more time.
25:28 So which personality can be discussed? Non-political or political?
25:32 I think I can also be discussed.
25:36 Mr. Lagari can also be discussed.
25:38 Mr. Haider can also be discussed.
25:40 You can be very much discussed.
25:42 Whatever is going on, we should be.
25:44 Bhatti Sahib, if you are there, then the difficulties of the literary community will be eased.
25:49 That is, my difficulties will be eased, you will definitely have.
25:52 I have kept the question for a long time.
25:54 So, see.
25:57 I am congratulating Bhatti Sahib.
26:00 Yes, see how much.
26:03 See, this was the only thing left, my name came.
26:08 The point is that Banana Republic is a country, the Banana Republic is a system.
26:14 Law, law, principle, logic, morality, democracy, civilians, respect for votes.
26:22 This is only in speeches.
26:24 In meaningless speeches.
26:26 Only 27 types of people have a verdict on the language.
26:30 Apart from this, there is no Kakh.
26:33 And there should be politics.
26:35 How will there be politics?
26:37 The politics that has become a side of the world, should be there.
26:42 Or there should be politicians like Ishaq Dar, like Shahid Khan Qanabasi, like this.
26:49 So how will this happen?
26:51 This will be a joke.
26:52 Elections will be doubtful.
26:54 Questions will arise on credibility.
26:56 The dispute will begin from the first day.
26:58 There should be non-politics.
27:00 And I second Mr. Lagari's point that the lag is fighting like this.
27:06 I don't think that elections will happen after three months.
27:10 It is possible.
27:11 I was saying on the first day that it will not happen on October 8.
27:13 It did not happen.
27:14 If a miracle happens after three months, then it should happen.
27:16 Otherwise, I see a long-term setup going on.
27:19 So, at least do such an acting.
27:24 By doing such a play, at least we say that this is an unknown person.
27:30 Or he can act as an unknown person.
27:34 So, rest of the halwa, as I was telling you at the beginning of the program,
27:38 that there is a lot of halwa.
27:40 They are the ones who cook it.
27:42 They will remove it themselves.
27:44 They have put the dum themselves.
27:46 They have plates too.
27:47 They have a big spoon too.
27:49 They will put it in the plates themselves.
27:50 They will put how much to give to whom.
27:53 And the second is to be neutral.
27:56 This can be a demand of yours, Mr. Lagari, Mr. Haider.
28:02 This is a neutral KP setup.
28:04 This is a Punjab setup.
28:06 That we should have trust in the center.
28:08 So, whoever comes, will be accepted.
28:10 Whoever comes, will do it.
28:12 Moeen Qureshi also came to this country, whose identification card was not even made.
28:15 We had to suffer Shaukat Aziz too.
28:17 And Khosu Sahib too, we had to tolerate his weakness.
28:23 Nasrul Mulk too.
28:24 I don't know how many came and their lotteries came out.
28:27 Pakistan is a cheap land for this elite class, for 5%.
28:33 No party, no name was taken in it.
28:38 This is their country.
28:39 We are useless in this.
28:41 So, what will 24 crore do?
28:43 What will they do?
28:44 Whoever comes, will come, loot the mojjis, make their decisions.
28:48 And after that, all life, the former minister of security,
28:51 will get his name written and sit on the siren of the ambulance,
28:58 to see if his protocol has been followed.
29:00 So, loot the mojjis, sir.
29:02 Okay.
29:03 Mr. Hyder, please tell us,
29:05 that there will be delimitation under the census.
29:09 Obviously, the election commission will see all these matters.
29:13 It will be in Navveroz.
29:14 But during this time, a security will be set up for a long time.
29:17 So, what will be their mandate in this situation?
29:20 Obviously, the job of a security government is to facilitate in the election.
29:24 So, do you think that for a long time,
29:27 a political figure can be a subject,
29:30 or the non-partisan will be a consensus?
29:36 Look, I think, a seasoned administrator, bureaucrat,
29:41 or a former judge,
29:43 will be more subject to these categories.
29:46 Those who know about administration, governance, vision,
29:50 or even something like that,
29:51 or a former judge of the Supreme Court,
29:53 who is a non-partisan.
29:55 Nowadays, everyone is considered a partisan.
29:57 So, I don't know exactly who will be.
30:00 But on one hand, we also see that,
30:02 if we have to see any crackdowns in this setup,
30:07 if such a situation is going to happen,
30:09 then maybe it won't be possible for every technocrat to digest it.
30:13 So, after seeing all those things,
30:16 whatever will happen,
30:17 we will get a hint as to what kind of setup will be there,
30:22 and how long it will last.
30:24 Now, if we follow this assumption,
30:27 that the census has been discussed because the elections are not on time,
30:33 then in that case,
30:34 you talked about the powers,
30:36 so, look, in the law, after the amendment,
30:38 it can be said that there is definitely some subject matter,
30:42 on which the Ketekar government can take major decisions.
30:45 In which there are things related to IMF,
30:48 and things related to privatization.
30:50 Largely, it is day-to-day functions,
30:53 and the purpose of the elections is to get them done.
30:55 But I think that when any government,
30:58 whether it is Ketekar or not,
31:00 will run for a little longer,
31:01 and will have a hand in it,
31:03 then I think there are a lot of decisions
31:05 that you can expect that they will take.
31:08 And in fact, I don't think there is any such decision
31:10 that will not be made by them.
31:13 So, I expect that if the Ketekar setup is run for a long time,
31:17 then it will be ready.
31:19 And I think, as Bharti sir said a little contradictory,
31:23 on one hand, he expressed his opinion
31:25 that maybe the Ketekar PM is not neutral,
31:28 and on the other hand,
31:29 all the things he said,
31:30 it seemed to me that he is neutral.
31:32 Okay, fine. I have to take a break here.
31:37 We will come after the break,
31:38 and would like to know from you,
31:39 the government that has been in power for more than 1.5 years,
31:43 and Tehrik-e-Insaf was ruling before this,
31:45 what was their performance in this 1.5 years?
31:49 We will talk about this.
31:50 I would like to know the situation of all three of you after the break.
31:52 Welcome back once again.
31:56 Nazeer Laghari sir, please tell us,
31:58 the chairman of Tehrik-e-Insaf has been arrested,
32:01 the situation of the party is in front of everyone.
32:04 Now, elections are held, whenever they are held,
32:06 so do you see Tehrik-e-Insaf being completely out in all this?
32:12 I think one thing that people have not understood in the past,
32:17 and have not understood even now,
32:19 was that how you have to work with the system,
32:26 what will be your method,
32:28 if you have any such public power,
32:31 whatever power you had,
32:33 you had to be given,
32:36 you had the power,
32:38 then you were denied,
32:40 then people were saying that you are selected,
32:43 that was also one thing,
32:45 then you have understood that I have been arrested,
32:48 there is no one greater than me,
32:50 and I will crush everyone,
32:52 and I have become very popular,
32:54 and I have no competition,
32:57 so if this situation comes to mind,
33:00 and it sits in the brain,
33:02 then it thinks that everything else is unreal,
33:05 the real reality is me,
33:07 and it is proven,
33:09 time proves that it is not like that,
33:12 and the reality is that which has power,
33:15 and this was proven to be very weak,
33:20 as long as this impression was there,
33:22 that he is a darling,
33:24 this impression was there with him,
33:27 and the support of the public has also been to that extent,
33:30 and the day it was found,
33:32 if it is found that he is not fit anywhere,
33:37 and no one is ready to accept him,
33:40 then people who are standing on the pedestals,
33:44 are always in the way,
33:46 means that more acceptance works than acceptance,
33:53 Mr. Bhatti, what will you say,
33:55 what future are you seeing,
33:57 from your jail, or do you think he went for a long time?
34:01 See, two or three things are very important,
34:07 one that morally,
34:09 Imran Khan Sahib, Tosha Khanna case,
34:11 had lost from the first day,
34:13 because it was his saying that,
34:15 that gifts should not be taken,
34:17 gifts should not be hidden,
34:19 and on top of that, the allegation of selling gifts,
34:21 second thing,
34:23 legally he was on a weak wicket,
34:25 third thing,
34:27 technically he was on a sound wicket,
34:30 that under election act 2017,
34:32 he can be asked within four months,
34:36 and after that he cannot be asked,
34:38 and in that situation,
34:40 when the speaker of the National Assembly,
34:43 Raja Parvez Ashraf,
34:45 refuted the reference of Asif Ali Zardari,
34:47 did not send,
34:49 the chairman of the senate,
34:51 did not send the reference of Yusuf Ali Gilani,
34:54 refuted it,
34:56 the reference of Imran Khan was sent to the election commission,
34:58 election commission became a court,
35:00 and decided,
35:02 changed it to an army court,
35:04 sent it to a session court,
35:06 and then should judge Humayun Dilawar,
35:08 have heard Imran Khan's case,
35:10 he should not have heard it,
35:12 because he had lost confidence in him,
35:14 Imran Khan's witnesses should have heard it,
35:16 meaning the defense attorney should have got it,
35:18 he should have got it,
35:20 when it had become so long,
35:22 that maybe it was his flight to London,
35:24 that judge Humayun Dilawar was sent,
35:26 Justice Amit Shah should not have heard,
35:28 the request of Imran Khan himself,
35:30 because Imran Khan had lost confidence in him,
35:32 Imran Khan's arrest,
35:34 had legal restrictions,
35:36 like there was I.G. Islamabad,
35:38 there was Islamabad police,
35:40 and all these matters,
35:42 but,
35:44 now your question is,
35:46 where is justice seen,
35:48 today the result of the union council came,
35:50 and it won,
35:52 the voters are still with them,
35:54 the voters are still with them,
35:56 so it is to be seen,
35:58 from Peshawar,
36:00 yes from Peshawar,
36:02 so it is to be seen,
36:04 when the elections are held,
36:06 number one,
36:08 how many hopefuls are there,
36:10 number two,
36:12 in what condition are they standing,
36:14 number three,
36:16 and what is their position,
36:18 that is their decision,
36:20 the last thing is,
36:22 no Pakistani can justify 9th May,
36:24 whatever Imran Khan,
36:26 in 14 months,
36:28 had said, Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq,
36:30 he can't do that either,
36:32 but what is justice,
36:34 only those 10-12 people,
36:36 whose names are coming up,
36:38 are not there,
36:40 the whole community,
36:42 what is justice,
36:44 only those 5000-7000 people,
36:46 are there,
36:48 so how justice,
36:50 as a community,
36:52 goes in elections,
36:54 what is the position,
36:56 it is too early to say anything,
36:58 and the Muslim League,
37:00 and the PDM,
37:02 which is being surveyed,
37:04 they are very fearful,
37:06 that they are losing their seats,
37:08 till this time,
37:10 because,
37:12 on one hand,
37:14 the people are suppressed,
37:16 and on the other hand,
37:18 the performance of the PDM is less,
37:20 and the statements are less,
37:22 Pravez Khattak and Jangeer Tareen,
37:24 if they are in a fair and free election,
37:26 they will lose their seats,
37:28 Pravez Khattak may win,
37:30 but no one knows about the rest,
37:32 so, there is a lot to say,
37:34 what is being done,
37:36 what is the situation,
37:38 that will be understood,
37:40 now.
37:42 What would you like to comment on, Mr. Haider Bhai,
37:44 and the decision that came from the session court,
37:46 which included a 3 year imprisonment,
37:48 has all the demands of justice been met,
37:50 which is being shown by the concerned PTI,
37:52 that the remaining community,
37:54 do you think there is any weight in that?
37:56 Look,
37:58 there is no doubt in this,
38:00 that collectively,
38:02 the Chairman of PTI,
38:04 has delayed and delayed this case,
38:06 and this case should have been decided long ago,
38:08 but the last period,
38:10 if we take the last case,
38:12 when the direction of the IISC,
38:14 was to listen to the maintainability,
38:16 and decide earlier,
38:18 not a single date was given,
38:20 this is another thing,
38:22 that the whole record shows,
38:24 that the delay,
38:26 was mostly from the Chairman of PTI,
38:28 and in the end,
38:30 the last adjournment,
38:32 which he had asked for,
38:34 because of which I neither did the evidence,
38:36 nor did the final arguments,
38:38 on the maintainability,
38:40 so that too was his fault,
38:42 so in the law,
38:44 every accused has the right,
38:46 to be present,
38:48 and the prosecution against him,
38:50 should be in front of him,
38:52 but if he himself does not want to come,
38:54 and he himself delays,
38:56 then the court does not stop for him.
38:58 But anyway,
39:00 if we start with the list of witnesses,
39:02 the list of witnesses,
39:04 if the financial accountants,
39:06 wanted to come,
39:08 so if the judge,
39:10 without seeing the statement,
39:12 said that it is not relevant,
39:14 then was it right?
39:16 Because they can say it,
39:18 but if it is a linked person,
39:20 then it is done liberally,
39:22 and it is completely irrelevant,
39:24 and it is denied,
39:26 that he did not come as a witness,
39:28 and the record,
39:30 the judgment,
39:32 the merit,
39:34 the evidence,
39:36 the evidence examined,
39:38 the prosecution,
39:40 it seems that they could not answer,
39:42 why they did not declare it,
39:44 but if they lead their own evidence,
39:46 then it would be clear,
39:48 but in general,
39:50 the judgment,
39:52 it clearly gives the impression,
39:54 that the chairman PTI,
39:56 has no case on merit,
39:58 and he has done all the investigation,
40:00 but if there is a remand in the appeal,
40:02 the judge said that the election is being delayed,
40:04 because the government is under the burden of performance,
40:06 under its burden,
40:08 what will you say about their performance,
40:10 the one and a half year government,
40:12 which has been done by PDM,
40:14 Haider bhai sahab,
40:16 when Shahbaz Sharif sahab came,
40:18 it was like this,
40:20 whether the government should go to the foreign election or not,
40:22 it was better to go,
40:24 then it was like this,
40:26 whether to go to the IMF or not,
40:28 there also,
40:30 there was a lot of confusion,
40:32 then listening to all,
40:34 PTI, APARA, London, Ladkana,
40:36 Mardan,
40:38 then there was a lot of confusion,
40:40 and especially in the end,
40:42 the bills that were passed,
40:44 but this is the thing,
40:46 that it was very difficult,
40:48 and if anyone had come,
40:50 then definitely he had to struggle,
40:52 and in the end,
40:54 Shahbaz Sharif sahab made a little comeback,
40:56 in the sense that all the speeches,
40:58 and ribbon cutting,
41:00 and all that,
41:02 and in the IMF also,
41:04 because he himself went and played the role,